Real Estate August 31, 2010 1:20 PM

Governor Signs First Crucial Amendment to Historic Tax Credit

Governor Signs First Crucial Amendment to Historic Tax Credit

Upstate economic development received a much needed boost when Governor David A. Paterson signed into law legislation sponsored by Assemblymember Sam Hoyt (A10839/S7556) amending the current Historic Rehabilitation Tax Credit law to allow banks and insurance companies to now claim the tax credit.

"This is a major victory for economic development in Buffalo and Upstate New York," Hoyt said.  "The amendments will create a ripple effect of private sector investment that includes the creation of hundreds of new jobs and historic structures in communities across upstate will be saved and restored."

Dozens of local projects have been on hold waiting for the law to take effect. The new law expands the pool of investors, allowing for hundreds of millions of new dollars to be invested in current and future developments in Western New York.  This will propel new construction, which will create new jobs.  Developers now have more incentive to invest in local projects, especially those in downtown Buffalo.

"Without Sam's efforts and the efforts of Senator Valesky, the Lafayette Hotel and the AM&A's department store would not be getting done," said Rocco Termini, head of Signature Development, who has been a leader in rehabilitating structures in downtown Buffalo.  Termini expects to soon start work to transform the Lafayette into a mix of retail, hotel, residential and banquet space and complete work by next October.

DSC_0806d.JPGMany high-profile projects in Western New York will receive a boost by allowing banks and insurance companies to apply for the tax credit, such as the Lafayette Hotel, AM&A's Department Store, Horsefeathers Building, Bethune Hall and The Cooperage.

"Banks and insurance companies are among the most experienced users of the federal rehabilitation tax credit program," said Jay DiLorenzo, President of the Preservation League of New York State.  "Thanks to Sam Hoyt's persistent leadership in the Assembly, higher levels of private investment will finally begin to flow to redevelopment and revitalization projects across the state."

"This legislation inches us ever forward in our efforts to fix this critical program and put New Yorkers back to work," said Robert Simpson, President of CenterState CEO.  "Upstate's urban areas are poised to see hundreds of millions of dollars of reinvestment from this program.  To ensure this catalytic infusion in our urban neighborhoods, the Governor must still repeal his decision to delay payment of these tax credits for three to six years."
 
Many advocates of the new legislation believe it is a major step forward that strengthens the already important existing historic rehabilitation tax credit law.  The legislation expands the opportunity for the reinvestment and development of existing buildings, many of which anchor communities of all sizes in New York State, will have a positive impact for decades.

"That the Governor signed Hoyt's bill is a tribute to Hoyt's leadership in Albany," said local preservation architect Clinton Brown.

DSC_01895.JPG"We are thrilled that the process for amending the HRTC legislation to permit banks and insurance companies to invest in worthwhile historic properties is finally complete," said Steven Weiss, a Buffalo attorney who specializes in historic tax law.  "This progress is a major step forward and reflects the tireless effort of Messrs. Hoyt and Valesky, among others, who recognized early on that while the passage of the initial bill was itself historic, the improvement of it was necessary.  The amendment will result in the ability to show the legislature and the Governor that the program will deliver what is expected and we hope that with these positive results, a further amendment will ultimately be enacted to allow the state and federal credits to benefit separate investors, further enhancing the value of the state credits."

Hoyt and Senator David J. Valesky (D-Oneida) were the prime sponsors of the Historic Rehabilitation Tax Credit legislation signed into law in 2009 that provided tax incentives for investors of both commercial and residential development of historic structures across New York State.  Since the law took effect on January 1, 2010, the residential component of the original bill - which covers owner-occupied structures listed on the State and National Registers of Historic Places - has already seen a rise in applications.  The commercial aspect has been strengthened by the passage of the new amendments.

"Making the HRTC available to banks and insurance companies will result in tens of millions of dollars of investment in our downtowns, hundreds of jobs and a revitalization of our upstate urban cores," Valesky said.

"I do not want to see another historic building in Western New York become derelict or demolished," Hoyt said.  "Many key rehabilitation projects locally and statewide have been on hold, waiting for this amendment to become law. Now that it has, developers can get to work stimulating our local economies.  I have fought hard to pass this law to ensure Western New York gets the economic boost it needs."

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It's always nice to see, even in the most dire of economic times, the people of New York (and their money) come together to support the neediest among us: namely, Rocco Termini, Sam Savarino, Banks and Insurance companies. Not to mention Sam Hoyt who will spend your money to keep him in office receiving salary and benefits also paid for by you.

Clearly, this legislation is the first step towards solving all of Buffalo's problems forever.

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I agree. I think Buffalo would look great with even more surface parking lots. Really encourages development

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No Mayor participation-how interesting, but hardly a surprise. I guess that he can't get past his ego to step up and show support for a development that is huge for Buffalo. What a "leader." Well done Sam Hoyt!

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YES!!! Countless buildings in Buffalo would not have been rehabilitated or rehabilitated to their fullest potential if this had not been done. AM&A’s, Hotel Lafayette and The Statler are the major pieces but you're talking about dozens and dozens of other smaller but critical projects as well. This just made my day! Great step in the right direction

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How many buildings have been renovated or rehabilitated without this tax credit? It seems that without government sponsorship, very few buildings would be saved at all.

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Oh, so the tax credits are still scheduled to be deferred for three years? I'm not sure how the governor signing the law changes anything then. It always seemed like a foregone conclusion that he would sign the amended law. I thought the big problem was that the payment of the credit will be deferred so the developers can't get cash up front to use in the renovation work.

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Wow, a longer "vote for our guy, he doesn't suck!" piece I've never read.

Sorry Sam, you need to be thrown out with the rest of the bums.

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Rocco doesn't waste time...

Layfayette Construction to start in October and last one year.

http://www.buffalonews.com/city/communities/buffalo/article177226.ece

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Hotel Lafayette work to begin in October:
http://www.buffalonews.com/city/communities/buffalo/article177226.ece

I guess even if the credit payment will be deferred, this is good enough for Termini to start work on this project. I'm very glad the building will be secured and protected from the elements over the winter.

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what an art deco masterpiece the Lafayette will be; we have nothing to compare with in Toronto. Once finsihed, will stay there in a minute, and forgo the Hampton inn or other common offerings; now a hotel stay in Buffalo will be part of the archictecture delights of your great city.

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The Lafayette project will be a jewel. I'm happy to see this project finally going forward for Buffalo. [can't wait to see the pics of the opening with a podium and idiot Mayor claiming all the glory.]

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Not a big Hoyt supporter either, but credit must be given when it's due. This is one of those times. Mayor Brown should buck up and give thanks too.

The deferral period issue can still be worked out down the road. If the just signed bill gives Termini enough to get the Lafayette project going by Oct., then it's good enough for most everyone else. Just remember it wasn't that long ago we were talking about the Lafayette being a dump with no realistic hope for much else.

To the naysayers that don't want area developers to get incentives, just look outside again...to remind yourselves this isn't LA, NY, Houston...where local/global money is being invested in huge sums without the need for public incentives. The newly signed incentives create construction jobs, increase property values, increase assessments, create long-term jobs, and create an incalcuable amount of pride for locals that really want our city/area to succeed and shine.

Just wondering...what is happening with the Tishman Bldg. I still believe that with 50 or so contracted/underground parking spaces, the property would make stunning post-modern executive residences. Imagine the views.

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Hoyt: "I have fought hard to pass this law to ensure Western New York gets the economic boost it needs."

Economic boost for WNY? How so? What long term jobs will be in WNY that wouldn't be here if Paterson had vetoed the law?

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Here we go again. I know you're perpetually pessimistic about Buffalo, but believe it or not, revitalization does in fact have a positive economic impact (having to actually defend that sentence is beyond absurd). Even in this thread there's a toronto native saying "what an art deco masterpiece the Lafayette will be; we have nothing to compare with in Toronto. Once finsihed, will stay there in a minute, and forgo the Hampton inn or other common offerings; now a hotel stay in Buffalo will be part of the archictecture delights of your great city." How can you think that attracting people to Buffalo is not economically stimulating? It's completely logical on every single level. Or do you think the Hampton Inn will attract just as many people to Buffalo as a Lafayette or Statler?

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jag, how is it "pessimistic about Buffalo" to ask the question I asked? That question isn't even specific to Buffalo. Did you read it carefully?

I don't want to derail off-topic, but I'd challenge you to directly quote anything I've written being "pessimistic about Buffalo". Just because someone disagrees with your beliefs about what Albany should do with public $ doesn't automatically mean they're pessimistic and you're optimistic about any city. The same difference of opinion could happen anywhere.

Back on topic, it's great if someone from TO likes how the Lafayette looks. That could be said about dozens, if not hundreds, of buildings in Buffalo - many of which have viable uses and some which maybe at some point in their lifespan won't.

Your reply also ducked my question.
whatever>"What long term jobs will be in WNY that wouldn't be here if Paterson had vetoed this law?"

You say someone from TO will stay in a new hotel room owned by Rocco instead of the Hampton at Delaware-Chippewa:
jag>"Once finsihed, will stay there in a minute, and forgo the Hampton inn or other common offerings"

How would someone choosing a different room in downtown grow WNY's number of long term jobs?

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Watever,
Your reply answers "yes" to my question: "you think the Hampton Inn will attract just as many people to Buffalo as a Lafayette or Statler?" which I believe to be absurd and not anywhere near the truth. Also, you have a constant pessimistic outlook about downtown buffalo, including within this very response. The premise of your response is that Buffalo cannot attract more than "X" number of people to the city (for this statement, let's say that "X" is then number of people the Hampton Inn can shelter). You believe the revitalization of the Lafayette will simply cannibalize the hotel occupancy rate of the Hampton, whereas I believe the number of people interested in buffalo will INCREASE because of the lafayette being revitalized (such as the toronto native and their family/friends that posted on this blog). Of course the lafayette is only 1 building out of hundreds, but it's still an effort that will lead to the successful growth of buffalo as opposed to another building that points to its decay. To think there's no value in using public funds to revitalize the downtown area of Buffalo is inherently pessimistic and you've made destructive statements to that effect for as long as I've read BR.

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It's a lot easier to entice economic activity of all types to your metro if your front porch (downtown) isn't a rat hole.

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You still think construction jobs are not worth anything?

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When those construction jobs are paid, dollar for dollar, through debt issuance, those jobs are not worth the cost of servicing the debt.

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So you are against tax reduction in NYS that has a direct benefit to development? That is an interesting position to hold because most people in NYS are constantly complaining that NYS taxes need to be reduced

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This isn't a tax cut, this is a tax credit. the shortfall in the budget will plugged through debt issuance. The cost of servicing that debt, along with the bureaucratic costs of administering this program will be greater than the initial costs of development.

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It reduces the tax owed. It is a targeted tax reduction. The development spurred will result in economic growth,increased property values, and new jobs.

You are just in a snit because this will happen in the city instead of your beloved suburbs

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I live in the City of Buffalo.

Where do you live?

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In Vegas that is called a knockout. In the case of Steel, one should defer to a doctor at Northwestern Memorial Hospital

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Im sure Reggie-Q will be very proud of the "Internet Tough Guy Champion of the World" belt that his k.o. won him.

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And then Steel uses his standard "You must love the suburbs because you questioned what was happening in the city" defense.

Notice to the fans playing at home that he chose the words "SUBURBS" instead of "SPRAWL", as he usually claims that he has no issues with the "SUBURBS".

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The 2010-2011 State budget did NOT include the issuance of debt to close the budget gap. That is the only good thing about this budget. Therefore your statement is simply not true.

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The budget also didn't include these tax credits, and yet here they are. Since these tax credits were not accounted for, then the money has to come from somewhere. Just because debt issuance hasn't been budgeted doesn't mean that it won't occur when push comes to shove.

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Yes this is big but there are 3 really big picture things that Buffalo absolutely must do to pave the way for its future.
1) convert its historic buildings like Hyatt, historically restore Olympic Tower (WMCA) with its original residential section now demolished, Liberty, Statler, AM&As, Lafayette, Kleinhans, Buffalo Savings, Buffalo Athletic Club, Buffalo Telephone (aka Verizon) building, etc to residential or some form of mixed use.
1a) build Pasquale#2 and #3 and #4
1b) city hall is over 50% empty so move the county out of the Rath building and into city hall, then sell the rath building.
2) connect UB Amherst and Larkin-Central Terminak-Galleria-Airport via light rail to downtown.
3) demolish the downtown convention center and build the new 450k sqft conference, convention and hotel center.
4) follow the UB incubators/centers of excellence and the Larkin District model for high density urban office and light industrial in our near urban neighborhoods.

Why are the historic buildings converted to residential/mixed use so important? Because Buffalo is terribly short of Class A office space. Much of downtown is completely out of date which is why the HSBC tower wasnt worth its rent. Converting historic out of date office buildings will pave the way for a boom in new class a office buildings downtown and fill up many shovel ready sites.

Why is the light rail extension so important?
Regardless of whether our population is declining or stable these areas represent million dollar engines of growth that need to complement downtown.

Why is are incubators, centers for excellence and convention centers so important?
Jobs must be brought back into the city and the surrounding neighborhoods. Jobs bring employees, employees bring tenants and property owners, residential brings retail and small business.

This isnt rocket science guys...the solutions come from infrastructure investment not civil servants and patronage expenses. Hey would you rather lose $100,000 on a convention center that creates $1,000,000 in revenue or pay 2 patronage appointments $50,000 that create no revenue? Im just asking.

Would you rather spend money to repave your streets or hire a clerk to shuffle paperwork that they cant even do competently such as paperwork for housing inspections which work so well.

oh one other thing, you want to end emergency last hour friday demolitions...simply close the agency on Thursday and Friday so they can only get the permits Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday...leaving Thursday and Friday open to public response and opposition.

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Preservation creates economic development. Construction jobs are created, and businesses and residents locate in these buildings. Renovated buildings attract people, and these people spend money. Renovations help preserve cities, and don't contribute to urban sprawl.

Some of the most popular cities for tourists and jobs? NYC, Boston, San Antonio, SF, etc.
What do they have in common? Great restored buildings, great urban fabric.
These are also some of the most expensive and overtaxed cities in the country, but people still flock to them.

Regarding taxes. Yes, many preservation projects depend on tax incentives.

But what do you think is subsidizing your house? Taxes, through the home mortgage interest deduction.

Who do you think subsidizes your drive to work each day? The taxpayer that pays for those roads.

Who do you think is supporting your Sabres and Bills? The taxpayer who funds the stadiums.

This goes on and on.

For my tax investment, I'll take the benefits of preservation any day.

Go Bills!

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Once we unload the Bills on Toronto we can free up enough money for 3 or 4 of these kinds of projects every year.

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Steel, those are blasphemous words. In a recent WBFO podcast, Jim Fink from Business First said that if the Bills ever leave Buffalo, it will be worse than Bethlehem Steel closing down, and many people will commit suicide because of it.

It was just an audio podcast so I can't tell for certain, but it sure sounded like he said it with a straight face.

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Well anyone basing their life on the Bills is probably a drag on the system so getting rid of them should also fee up some resources. (I do like watching a game from time to time though)

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Steel>"Once we unload the Bills on Toronto we can free up enough money for 3 or 4 of these kinds of projects every year."

At this point in time, NYS income taxes from the Bills annual player payroll (over $109M just for players, more counting pay of coaches and executives) might exceed the $2M or so annual public gift for stadium upgrades. The max NYS income tax rate is around 9%.

Not that I favor that public spending for the stadium either, but to say the Bills moving will free up public $ ignores tax payments the Bills would take with them to Toronto.

Them moving would free up some private spending that happens now on tickets, so that money would help some other WNY businesses - but overall it would take some $ out of WNY.

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The Buffalo Bills contribution to NYS taxes is $192M per year (according to their year end 2009 report).

STEEL's contribution to Buffalo and NYS is $0 in payroll tax, $0 in property tax, $0 in direct contribution to the people of NYS. He pays his taxes to the good people of Chicago, where he lives a nice upper middle class life by Buffalo standards. He just likes to keep a foot in the door of his former home town to tell us all what we should be doing.

I have asked this question before, is it worse for Buffalo for people to move to the suburbs or for people to leave the state? Steel has yet to answer this question directly.

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Steel, you are niaive to say the least if you think civil service unions, political patronage and party politics will let any savings from the loss of the Buffalo Bills get re-invested elsewhere in Buffalo.

It will get invested in bigger union contracts, bigger government (ie more hiring...like Brown appointing yet another deputy mayor the Obama appoints another czar) or it will get redistributed by NYS outside of Buffalo.

Thats the way the politics of NYS work. I would think a smart guy like you would have figured that out.

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Steel>"You still think construction jobs are not worth anything?"
hamp>"Construction jobs are created, and businesses and residents locate in these buildings."

Sure, tax $ can be taken from what other NYS residents and from other NYS businesses pay and used to fund temporary construction jobs. (Sometimes with long term interest as Reggie said.)

If that's what Hoyt meant by the "the economic boost" WNY "needs", how is that not false advertising? It takes from some taxpayers and benefits some others. To be a real economic boost, wouldn't it have to result in long term jobs that otherwise wouldn't be here?

hamp, how is it an economic boost if businesses/residents are in the Lafayette instead of some other building around here? Maybe some who like the Lafayette more than other buildings could argue it's a cultural boost. Some may think it worth using tax $ for that cultural reason instead of relying on private donations to save the Lafayette. But what's the substance of calling it an economic boost?

If temp construction jobs are a goal of state spending, it could be done for publicly-owned things like a North Park library or fixing more streets in Buffalo, etc.

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I am an architect, every job I work on is temporary. Add up all the temporary jobs and you get a permanent job. Your concept of the construction job as temporary is naive. But of course this building will also have many permanent jobs associated with it along with new tax paying businesses and residences. The property value will rise considerably which means substantial new real estate taxes. This building will also serve to increase the value of surrounding property. It will attract a wealthy clientele and many new residents will help to support other new and existing businesses.

Or we can have a new parking lot here that adds nothing. The small investment made by the state in this and other similar projects will pay off big time. Its a no brainer.

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And Steel breaks out the standard parking lot false argument. It is either save it or parking lot, nothing in between.

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You're right he did forget a few things. Filthy flop house is certainly "in between" rehab and parking lot.

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What is in between? The building is currently closed and without Termini it would become abandoned. Oh- you mean the other option is abandonment.

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one of the best things about construction jobs is that they cannot be outsourced to bangalore. those payrolls will be spent on tradespeople in the buffalo area or pretty darn close to it.

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grad - even if the intended goal is short term economic boost by taking tax $ paid by the state's businesses and working families then using it to help fund construction jobs, it should be only for public needs.

Why should our tax $ help fund new middle class residential, hotel rooms, and retail space? Those aren't ever smart uses of public $, but especially not when there isn't any shortage of those and public budgets are having to be cut for other things.

Instead, NYS could fund construction projects for example to replace the North Park library, or to fix more crappy-condition Buffalo city streets, sidewalks, etc. There's often posts/comments on BR asking for more to be spent on some real public need in Buffalo. Some are good ideas.

So if it's about taking $ from the rest of us to fund construction jobs, so be it - but that approach has a lot of budgetary limitations and there's plenty of public possibilities.

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Not everyone is so supportive of the law's passage-the time delay (3 years) could be a killer. http://www.timesunion.com/business/article/Deferral-plan-hurts-development-638216.php

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A $35 million dollar renovation of an historic vacant building in the center of the city,
that will result in a new hotel, restaurants and banquet space.

If this isn't "economic development", I don't know what is.

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In response to whatever. Being the TO guy staying in a gem like the Lafayette or even a refurbished Stater adds to the charm when visiting Buffalo for a short weekend jaunt, We just don't come to Buffalio for the gallerias and factory outlets but alas we go sometimes for the cultural parts like the Albright Knox and oldstead parks and ofcoarse great artchitecture. Staying in the lafayettte and visiting the sites as mentioned and spending our valued currency in the restaurants and bars and coming back for a second or third trip is a treat to we torontoed people. We will spend the money IN THE CITY and not in the burbs. REMEMBER BUffalo is but 90 minutes away and is really the closest and most accessible American city to visit without the air or distant issues. You guys have a gem of a city, stop dissing it and develop it.

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Defender110, nicely said. It's common sense that people want to visit places that offer something different than what they experience in their own day-to-day lives. So much of the conversation here centers around economic development and jobs, but saving a building -- one that has been sleeping for decades -- gets lost in the argument.

I agree with those who suggest that these actions just move the chess pieces around on the board. I also agree it's not fair that a developer gets breaks when the average citizen does not. However, when it comes to historic structures like the Lafayette, I can accept that tradeoff.

Once a neighborhood starts to develop, perhaps more folks from outside the community will be interested in downtown Buffalo. At that point, the talk of economic development can resume.

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defender, it's great when Canadians like some buildings in Buffalo and the culture here, etc. I'm not against anyone restoring the Lafayette, or doing anything cultural like your comment describes.

The question is why shouldn't the Lafayette's owners fund their new hotel and new apts using private sources (either by for-profit or non-profit)? And why shouldn't they have to pay taxes at same rates other landlords in Buffalo? If Canadians guests would flock to stay there, doesn't it sound like a business opportunity the private sector should jump at?

As PaulBuffalo said, there's a lot of moving chess pieces rather than real growth in jobs or residents. Govt subsidies around here sometimes help a very few buildings attract tenants and customers (with endless politician claims of "economic boost"), while most others don't receive them.

I'd predict very close to the same number of Canadians will visit Buffalo as do now regardless of whether the Lafayette is restored. Maybe a few might change their mind either way about visiting Buffalo based on the Lafayette, but I doubt enough to impact our politician's claim of "economic boost" for the WNY region. There's much better uses for public spending here going unmet.

By the way, none of the above is dissing Buffalo, so I've no idea why your comment tells me to stop dissing Buffalo. I don't think I ever have on here.

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PaulBuffalo>" I also agree it's not fair that a developer gets breaks when the average citizen does not."

Average citizens can get breaks when they participate in activities that society deems worthy to subsidize. Anybody willing to rehab a historic building can claim these credits although not many people who consider themselves "average" can afford to do that. Federally subsidized homeownership or the STAR program are better examples of average taxpayers getting similar breaks.

The state and federal governments provide incentives to encourage historic rehabs for good reasons. They add to, and protect the unique urban fabric, conserve building materials, add to the tax base of local governments, allow older cities and suburbs to better compete with newer suburbs that enjoy other public policy/subsidy advantages that older neighborhoods don't, etc.

For some reason these credits absorb the brunt of a lot of the teabag rage even though there are far more wasteful, counterproductive, and expensive programs out there. For reasons I will never understand, people who are more comfortable with the suburban built environment and lifestyle, feel threatened by projects like this. They raise high hell over the money invested in these projects but then downplay, or deny the existence of subsidies that enhance things that they tend to like.

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iluvpitbulls, teabag rage is not focused on tax subsidies to rehab historic buildings nor is it focused on infrastructure.

Teabag rage is focused on civil servant union contracts which are in some cases 3x the private sector wage/benefit averages plus they get those contracts by passing laws which use the full strength of the government against the taxpayer to collect.

Teabag rage is focused on the neocommunists and neoconservatives who care more fighting foreign wars and rebuilding Iraq/Afghanistan than say rebuilding Buffalo, Cleveland and Detroit.

Teabag rage is focused on the rich elites blaming poor and middle class home ownership as they write the tax laws to ship their jobs overseas while keeping non-productive high risk non-transparent high risk shadow banking (hedges, derivatives, credit default swaps, etc) unregulated and silent from media scrutiny.

Are teabaggers anti-immigration? No, but you cannot fight foreign wars, have big bloated government civil servants contracts bankruptinging municipalities and states, use taxes to ship jobs and industries overseas and have a universal social safety net. Its like expecting a strainer to hold a liquid. It cant because its all full of holes.

===oh and an equally big story from Patterson is that he signed legislation to keep profits from NYPA here in WNY=====

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JQ:

"Teabag rage is focused on civil servant union contracts which are in some cases 3x the private sector wage/benefit!!!

WRONG!!!

Civil Service pay is usually LOWER than the similar pay for similar work in the private sector. STOP SPREADING TEABAGGER LIES!!!

If the teabaggers are so angry at the banksters, then why are they not protesting outside WALLSTREET?!!!

Teabagger are RACIST priveledge white peole who never got over the fact that a Democrat won and thru out the WAR CRIMINAL!!!

If they were soooo "concerned" about the war and other stuff - WHERE WERE THEY FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS?!!!

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It is no longer true that civil servant pay is lower than comparable private sector pay. There was a study out a few month ago that quantified the difference. If I remember correctly the public servant pay package was about 40% larger than the comparable private sector pay package,

Yoiu can google it to find the article. It was in both business first and the Buffalo News

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I am not a supporter of the Tea Party, but I do appreciate their perspective on the government. You may not know that 40% of the Tea Party members are ex-Democrats and ex-Independents, in fact there was an article in either the Washington Post or The Hill that covered the number of defections from the Democrats over the past 2 years and how many have now aligned with the Tea Party. Your assertion that the Tea Party is just a re-branded Republican or Conservative party is false.

If you do a quick search on support for the two wars that we are losing, you will see that both Democrats and Republicans have similar perspectives on the war. About 55% of respondents from both parties believe that the wars were a mistake, about 70% of Democrats felt things were going badly in 2007, and now 62% of Democrats feel that things are going badly in a recent (May, 2010) Harris Poll. The same polls show an inverse relationship with Republicans feelings on the wars, with 52% stating that the war was going badly in 2007, and 78% saying that they are going badly now.

It seems that party affiliation may have more to do with sentiment regarding the wars than actual facts. It also seems that your feelings about the "Tea Baggers" count a lot more than facts, as the facts that you have stated in your response are incorrect.

Let me ask you JohnMarko, why does the Tea Party upset you so much?

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i see johnq/christy/lou is up to his old tricks again, hijacking threads and ranting about muriel howard.

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Steel is right about the construction job creation / retainage point. I too work in the project management side of the industry and every job we work on is “temporary” if you will. If big projects like this fail to keep happening pretty soon I’d be out of work too, not to mention all the subcontractors and vendors, many of which are local.

At any rate you cannot put a price tag on the good publicity a project like this has for Buffalo. You have to keep in mind the image this sends to people in WNY and beyond, especially when you figure in the fact that an entire city block will be revitalized when you include AM&A’s too. It shows, rather proves that Buffalo is a city on the upswing and that is very attractive to potential visitors, much like the acclaimed Genesee Gateway Project will be when complete. That also creates an “energy” or “buzz” that bring people into areas that wouldn’t have otherwise. Furthermore, I live within a 2 block radius of the Hampton Inn and Embassy Suites (Avant) and can tell you that both hotels are constantly buzzing with people so I really do not think there’s over saturation. People want to go downtown and shop, eat, work and live but if you can not offer these amenities then how can we expect people to go there? These factors in my opinion out weigh any monetary factors because it has a positive ripple effect that cannot be measured.

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The story indicates that the amendment allows banks and insurance companies to claim the tax credit. Does this mean that developers can sell the tax credits to banks and insurance companies? Since banks and insurance companies do not act in a developer capacity, I can see no other situation in which they would be in a position to claim a tax credit unless they had purchased it. I’m assuming the amendment allows developers to sell the tax credit for a discounted value to help with initial financing i.e. if a $100,000 tax credit is expected as a result of the project, a developer could sell it to a bank or insurance company for $75,000 to generate upfront working capital). Does anyone have any additional information on how this would work logistically?

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The hotel will include 34 rooms

that is saturating the hotel market?

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Who said it would saturate the market? If anybody wants to build more hotel rooms they should go right ahead. The question is whether they and finance companies should be given a big check of public money for building them.

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