Real Estate July 6, 2010 12:35 AM

Sales Watch: Waterfront Place

Sales Watch: Waterfront Place

Twenty nine residences have sold in The Pasquale since the building was completed a year ago with one additional unit under contract.  Nine other units have been leased with options to purchase leaving ten units unoccupied.  They are shell units that haven't been finished leaving buyers the opportunity to customize and choose their desired finishes.  The most expensive unit, a 3,633 sq.ft. three-bedroom penthouse, sold for $1.32 million.  Remaining units with 1,342 to 2,572 sq.ft. of space are priced from approximately $300,000. 

Ellicott Development's $30+ million Waterfront Place development includes the 13-story condominium tower with 49 units, 14 townhomes and a landscaped central park area.  Chaintreuil, Jensen & Stark Architects in conjunction with Charles Gordon designed the project.

057.JPGEach residence includes 10 to 12' ceilings, gourmet kitchens with custom cabinets and granite countertops, hardwood and ceramic tile flooring, whirlpool tub and steam shower in master bathroom suites, and one or more balconies. Several units on the upper floors have rooftop terraces.  Units include dedicated parking spaces in a two-level enclosed garage and a separate storage  

"Things are going better than we expected given the state of the economy," says Ellicott's Chris Martoche who is overseeing sales at the development.  "We felt leasing was a good option since the sales were slow.  Almost all the leases have options on them to buy, so hopefully we will be able to turn those into sales contracts."

The units are commanding what may be the highest rents in the region: $2400 up to $4000/month.  Martoche says the leased units are occupied by professional athletes and others.

DSC_0472.JPGDespite tough economic conditions, unit prices have not been discounted, though Ellicott Development is flexible.  "We will work with people but we are not desperate to unload," says Martoche. 

Several early potential buyers had pre-approved mortgages but ultimately couldn't get financing when the rules changed after the financial crisis hit.  "It has been a process, but we're working towards selling the building out," says a confident Martoche.  "There is continuing interest and we are happy with our sales to date."

Four of the townhouses have been sold.  The fifth, an end unit, was recently finished and is now for sale.  Listed at $685,000, 13 Ojibwa is the largest townhouse in the development. 

"It is over 3000 sq.ft. livable, and 4,000 sq.ft. useable," says Martoche.  "We are leaving it as a shell so that whoever buys it can finish it exactly how they want to."

B361446-009.jpgEllicott plans to lower the rooflines and scale back the size and price of future town home units.  Construction of the new townhouses will be market-driven.  "We will not be constructing units on speculation at this point," says Martoche.

There is room for a second tower on the site, but for now Ellicott remains focused on selling the remaining units in The Pasquale.

Asked if the residences at the Avant were direct completion, Martoche said to some extent it is.  "In this market, how many people can afford residences with these price points?  If you're interested in a new, high-end condominium, you will look at both properties.  Both Carls [Ellicott Development's Carl Paladino and Uniland's Carl Montante] took big risks with these projects.  It's a big investment in the future of the city.  I hope we both sell out.  It'll be good for Buffalo."

Get Connected:  Chris Martoche, 716.854.0060, 716.570.2399 (cell).

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I can't imagine living down here now-it has become far too crowded. What could have been a nicely laid out park area with townhomes is now a hodge-podge of buildings on top of one another. Carl wins some and loses some-I see this as a lose-some (for the residents of the waterfront area, mostly.)

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So you don't want to live in the CITY of Buffalo because it is starting to become more like a CITY and not just an urban sprawl?

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This is a sprawl neighborhood -even with the towers

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I call it vertical sprawl, the building actually has a car elevator

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A hodge-podge of buildings where people live is the exact feature that will make Buffalo strong again and it is the defining feature of cities like Toronto and New York. Sorry Travelrrr, you can't have it both ways.

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You both have misinterpreted, sorry. I do want to see more density, but also planning to go along with the density. The Pasquale could have been designed to have more relation to Rivermist, etc. but it didn't. Carl just sandwiched it into the space. Buffalo had, and was designed for, density...which I fear many of our current developers cannot replicate unfortunately.

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Why are average homeowners subsidizing the elite? Every dollar of property tax that is evaded by these people must be made up by the rest of us.

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So true. We should end all housing subsidies and tax breaks for everyone. If you can't afford to purchase the home or condo outright with all taxes then you shouldn't be able to purchase at all. This goes for the rich, poor, and middle class.

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I agree to a point, we need to stop subsidizing middle class and upper income homeowners, end the mortgage interest tax break which favors those with larger mortgages and larger incomes. This government giveaway has inflated home values while contributing to sprawl.
End the subsidies to the poor by requiring a living wage so they can pay their own rent. Presently those subsidies also find their way to the wealthy landlords and investors that charge inflated rents due to the government handouts.

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I say end all of the subsidies. We need to stop only giving to the rich and the poor while taking from the middle class. Let the rich pay their way and let the poor and middle class rent until they can afford to own outright.

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The middle class also benefit from subsidies, they just don't like to admit it. Nothing wrong with renting, that is the way most people started out 30 or more years ago. Today there is a sense of entitlement to the large suburban home with all the bells and whistles.

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There is still a notion that wealth is generated from home ownership. This is why we have such liberal policies with Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae that started the housing and financial collapse that we are still recovering from. I would like to see more people renting instead of using the government to help them get over their heads in mortgages that they struggle to pay. That goes for everyone from poor to middle to upper classes.

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Yawn. Why do you turn everything into an attack on suburbs? In reality I believe that you always wanted a home in the suburbs with all the bells and whistles. Instead you are stuck in that dump Black Rock and your jealousy has turned to hatred. Pathetic.

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Sorry georged, I have the resources to live where ever I choose. I live here in Black Rock because it has served me well and it has been home to my family for over 7 generations, It is about pride and commitment, I know you probably don't understand.

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I think you can argue the design of the project, but if you're for the state historic tax credit, you can't be against providing a property tax abatement here. Both come under the "but for" economic development argument and lead to additional property tax down the road. The valuation on these properties will go up exponentially once the abatement has passed, besides you can't lose what isn't already existing. If anything, local tax abatements to spur development are vastly underutilized in the city in my opinion.

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Agreed, throwing out the baby with the bath water is not a good approach. I think you could argue the merits of tax breaks for particular projects but saying there is no benefit is short sighted.


For instance with the historic credits, the maximum state credits on the AM&A's and Lafayette projects are $10 combined. That will leverage over $200 M in investment which will immediately increase the taxable value of those properties resulting in probably close to a million bucks per year in new property taxes, another several hundred thousand in sales tax, and thousands in new income tax. That's not even talking about the increase in value to the surrounding properties. But the numskulls in Albany only see the short term $10M. On the downside if these buildings are not restored they will eventually become negatives on the public books. They will easily cost far more to tear down than the measly state investment of 10 mill and will drag down surrounding property values. This historic tax credit thing is a no brainer as far as tax credits go.

Pasqual? not such an easy call. I am surprised that Paladino accepted the

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to continue - I was surprised Paladino accepted the handout for this project since so many Tea Party people have come out against things like the Federal Stimulus with even some governors giving the money back. I guess if you look at it as a tax cut it becomes more palatable to the tax cut crowed

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It's only a "tea party" until you run out of someone else's tea to dump.

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nick>"but if you're for the state historic tax credit, you can't be against providing a property tax abatement here"

Why can't anyone favor one and oppose the other?

I'm against both, you apparently favor both, but they're separate and the NYS budget just eliminated the Empire Zones handout used for Paladino's condos. Previous recipients will be grandfathered so it won't affect this building, and it's always possible the wealthy will convince the legislature to start them again some day, but for now Empire Zones are gone. It's still unknown what NYS will do about historic tax credits.


Steel>"surprised Paladino accepted the handout"

Politically, Paladino has said he supports these kinds of handouts and favors their continuation (Empire Zones, corporate welfare, etc.). Just because he declared himself a "tea party" candidate doesn't mean he speaks for anybody but himself. In no way, shape, or form are those handouts to a very few the same thing as a tax cut for the whole area or state.

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We almost agree here although I support historic tax credits. Our built environment is too valuable to continue demolishing. We all recognize the beauty and presence of old structures and how they contribute to our cities and towns. There are very few modern examples of architecture that could inspire us in this way.

For the record I did not take advantage of any tax credits in my restoration here in Black Rock. As I noted in the story of my house I actually had to pay back taxes and water bills incurred by the previous owner. I guess they used my money to help Carl's buyers live tax free in their luxury waterfront condo's.

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Historic tax credits preserve existing structures and conserve resources while not contributing to sprawl. It makes economic sense to subsidize such projects that stabilize and attract investment to areas that already have infrastucture in place. Historic tax credits are also small potatoes as compared to the ways we subsidize sprawl.

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Hey, I dont care...just start buying land and announce Tower#2 and put it on the Niagara Street side of the expressway instead of waterfront village.

Its that small sliver of land between Niagara Street and the expressway that needs the tax breaks to get developed, then you could start the real change of Niagara Street as a gateway to downtown instead of a ghetto into downtown.

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Travelrrr, your comments are just annoying. Its people like you that complain about every single project the city does

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Let me guess, blackrocklifer, you are probably a government worker with a generous pension and benefit plan paid for by us taxpayers. Don't you realize, that people who can afford to purchase a unit at the Pasquale most likely worked their butts of most of their life. They don't need to live on the waterfront. With their brains and money they can live wherever they want. We should get down on our knees and thank them for choosing downtown. They patronize our restaurants, bars, theaters and sporting events, creating jobs for thousands of inner city citizens. Can't you see what taxation has done to our state?

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GB>"We should get down on our knees and thank them for choosing downtown."

No thanks to thanking them. Let them live anywhere they want to live, using their own $.

GB>"they patronize our restaurants, bars, theaters and sporting events, creating jobs for thousands "

There's no reason to think they wouldn't spend the same amount of $ on all that in WNY, creating the same number of jobs, even if they lived somewhere other than The Pasquale if it wasn't tax free to them. Does anyone seriously think waterfront condo dwellers would reduce going to bars, restaurants, and suites at Sabres games if they aren't excused from property tax? Yeah, sure.

GB>"Can't you see what taxation has done to our state?"

While I agree NYS high taxes do way more harm than good (BRLifer might disagree), how is it a solution to raise everyone else's taxes a little bit so a very select few can pay no property taxes? That sounds like trying to put out a raging fire using a few drops of gasoline. Good for for NY state for doing a smart thing by ending Empire Zones. Hopefully they'll leave it ended.

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No Greg, I am not retired, I work in the private sector and I have been working hard and paying taxes for the past 40 years.

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You want a Whole Foods or Trader Joes in the city? Then it's important to have residents in the city who have the types of incomes that allow them to live in the Pasquale. Downtown Buffalo is a tough sell to people who can afford to live wherever they want. So offering incentives to attract them isn't so bad. Like it or not, retailers look at things such as median household income within a geographic area when they are considering whether or not to expand into a market. The presence of the people in the Pasquale is doing a lot more for Buffalo's chance at attacting national retailers than the presence of the people in the Marine Drive Apartments.

PS: This is a sprawl neighborhood? And "vertical sprawl"? Really? Now I HAVE heard everything.

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The neighborhood is set up for cars. It is isolated into a cul de sac type arrangement with one entry (it could have easily been at least connected to the park but it is not). It has multiple developments isolated from each other. Some areas have no sidewalks. There is no provision for any mixed use. Lots of useless landscaped green space that is meant to be looked at but not used to make sure that one development does not touch the other. It is classic sprawl.

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And then there are those people who will find something out of nothing to complain about. The great question is what or how to please these parties. You could build heaven to the curb in the heart of downtown; but there won't be enough retail to go with the ugly design and the poor layout of units along with the inadequate parking.............. is there an end?

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I dont understand the fascination with trying to be like Toronto or New York.. Buffalo should try to develop its own identity or at least improve on the identity it has had for almost a 180yrs.. i see many rust belt cities turning into the same.. with same construction and aesthetics.. American cites are starting to look the same and very mediocre.. seems to be the american way now..

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Who is trying to be like Toronto or New York? A tower condominium with surrounding townhouse neighborhood is Toronto/New York? So basically since it was done somewhere else by someone else first, you're a follower. So if I want to be unique I shouldn't wear pants because someone already came up with that idea. What do you suggest be built to create a unique Buffalo? How about a condominium built out of swirly straws? That's pretty unique, right.

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It is a pretty basic lux condo building. Agreed that there are older stuctures that are in need of rehab but in all fairness Carl has done his part on that end of the development of the city.

These type of buildings take time to fill up. If anything they fill a need that has not been addressed in the downtown area high end luxury condos now we have the avante and the Pasquale and they both seem doing well.

A few more and we may yet get a whole foods... I'd settle for a downtown wegmans personally.

whole foods = whole paycheck

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