City July 6, 2010 9:20 AM

Olmsted's Front Yard Competition @ MLK

Olmsted’s Front Yard Competition @ MLK
By Ian Carlino:

Add one more avenue to the growing list of how to enjoy Buffalo's gardens and neighborhoods.

Starting today, landscape professionals will compete in the city's Front Yard Competition, restoring and transforming 19 historic homes in the MLK neighborhood, according to the Buffalo Olmsted Parks Conservancy. The "mini urban makeover" will help one of the Conservancy's "most in need" neighborhoods.

"We are eager to see the Olmsted Communities around our parks be stable, safe and healthy places to live," the Conservancy touted.

The neighborhood will be restored to its original conditions -- another step toward recreating Buffalo's (and Olmsted's) historic beauty. Surrounding homes will also benefit from the competition, as a more stable core of homes will inspire higher real estate values. As money is dedicated to MLK park in coming years, it is of utmost importance that the surrounding neighborhoods shows similar investments - it's a package deal according to the OPC.

The competition is modeled after a similar event in London, England. It, along with the Buffalo Garden Walk and the city's other gardening events and tours, will be included in the new National Garden Festival. Landscapers will work throughout the week. The public is being invited to view the work in progress, then vote on their favorite transformation between July 11th and July 18th.

"The Conservancy is part of the steering committee for this new event," The Conservancy said. "Discussions are already underway for a similar makeover next year."

More information, to vote for a favorite garden online, and the "before" pictures are available at www.nationalgardenfestival.com.

Photos: Two of the houses bounding MLK Park on North Parade Avenue. The houses were built between 1890 and 1920 and a former mayor of Buffalo, Chester Kowal, once lived on this block.
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what an incredible event, idea and community effort. This is the kind of initiative that makes me so proud of Buffalo.

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This neigbhorhood desperately needs the makeover too. It's a shame that many of these grand old homes (simular to those in the Elmwood Village) are just left to rot away and sometimes demolished. If cleaned up and cared for, THIS could be the next hot neighborhood to live in.

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I love the houses along Parade Street and am very excited to hear about this project. This is one neighborhood that should receive a lot of emphasis and care due to the proximity to the History Museum and MLK park.

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There are a number of beautiful houses not only on North Parade but on East Parade and West Parade. It would be great if some house painting could be worked into this effort. The Pink house in Picture #2 could use a couple of coats.

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I agree, this would be a great project for Americorps or Brush up Buffalo.

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I would like to see someone from the City or a licensed Realtor in the neighborhood to give guidance to anyone who may be interested in one of the vacant houses in that block or nearby neighborhood. It would be a shame to miss this opportunity.

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Well, the work the Olmsted Conservancy is doing will help to showcase the neighborhood. The Masten-Humboldt which is one of the prime areas to gentrify because of the jobs from the life sciences and high density of community anchors: Masten Park, City Fields, City Honors, Masten Armory, Humboldt Park, Science Museum, Science Magnet, etc.

The Plan is to even move the Calvert Veaux structure back into the park, perhaps use it for a neighborhood market.

Of course it would really help realtors if its name was Humboldt Park instead of MLK as it would help remove the stigma of the eastside drugs, shootings, poverty, etc.

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Because of course when you think of a famous civil rights leader the only thing that comes to mind is crime and drugs.


Sheeesh!

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Steel, while your comment is politically correct it is also niaive. This is how people think. You think that streets called Wisteria Lane get chosen randomly. No, it evokes a pleasant, beautiful warm summer perfume that people want to buy into and live.

MLK and civil rights may stand for peace and civil liberties but for many who are old enough it evokes the fights, the burned neighborhoods, the forced busing, the riots, etc. For those who are not old enough to remember it simply evokes minority eastside neighborhood and minority eastside neighborhood connects with drugs, shootings, gangs, etc.

Word associations may be politically incorrect but its how people think. Its why streets, parks, bridges, etc should not be renamed. Im equal opportunity on that. I dont think the westside should have 4th, 5th, 6th street renamed as they have been, dont think Columbus Park should have been renamed.

My point is nothing more than how people associate words.

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ChristieLou, you have a point. Most of us think you're a racist idiot. Maybe if you call yourself Fourth Street, we wouldn't think that way.

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That is what I am talking about. The way people think is pretty ignorant. MLK is an American hero not an African American hero and he did not stand for or promote any of the violent things you listed. He stood for making America fulfill its promise. You might find political correctness to be offensive or annoying but I think it would be pretty absurd to change the name of a park to satisfy and appease ignorant bigoted thinking.

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Oh yes absolutely MLK is an american hero to someone who is not american such as a European, South/Central American, Canadian, etc.

Steel, its not ignorant at all. If MLK were truly championed as an american hero then MLK Park and MLK expressways and MLK Library's and MLK High Schools would be just as prevalent in say East Aurora as they are on the eastside. MLK would not associated with a location marker for a minority community.

PaulBuffalo, well what can I say leftwing, liberal, citizen of the world type, globalist, etc...for who anything that is politically incorrect can only be explained by some form of prejudice. In this case they refuse prudence of the real world but if they were to exploit someone in a business deal well that would be a politically correct real world scenario they could identify. You are who you are! Though your prejudices are cloaked in politically correct does not mean that you do not have them. You are not as superior as you pretend.

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The fact that much of white America is too stupid and bigoted to see that MLK was just as important to our country if not more so than the founding fathers makes him no less and American Hero. The beliefs if the majority have not always been in step with the true principles of our country. There will be a day when MLK gets his due in the white fear fortresses of suburbia.

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"the white fear fortresses of suburbia."

Please Steel, never make the comment that you aren't anti-suburb again. The rest of your post was good up until that comment.

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I think STEEL's point is valid, the suburbs (at least around Buffalo) were built on a foundation of white flight. When I was growing up in the 60's many left the city just to flee from the expanding black population. It was no secret, most people were honest about it at that time. When integration and bussing began even greater numbers fled. Racism was and continues to drive suburban developement.

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He is not speaking of 'then', he is speaking of 'now'.

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Much of the design and society of the suburbs IS based on fear. There is much writing on this subject. Its not a matter of hate to point this out. The whole concept of the cul du sac was intended to create an environment in which an outsider would not feel comfortable and could easily be singled out as some one who does not belong. Better yet don't include sidewalks to keep strangers out. Contrast this to continuous city streets that anyone can walk down very anonymously. One of the major factors in the decision to move the University to Amherst was that they would be able to plan a campus in which gathering was difficult and protests would be easy to control and eliminate. Fear of gathering was a major design factor in the campus design. Malls are attractive partly because all the stores are on private property which can be strictly controlled by the owner without the hassles of the freedoms that come from public space. No bums hanging around the fountain to disturb anyone.

I am surprised you find this concept controversial since just about any story dealing with the city on here and especially the News gets comments from people saying the city is not safe and crime is rampant and pretty much making it sound like entering the city equals death from crack whores and gangs

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I am not disputing the fact that racism was a driver for suburban development. I am saying that you should not claim that you do not have a high level of disdain and hatred for the suburbs. You have said that you don't mind the suburbs, it is the sprawl you hate. Well, your comments seem to tell a different story.

On a related note, we talk a lot about racism and white flight, but we don't seem to mention the mass migration of African Americans from the south to the north in the 50s, 60s, and 70s. African Americans were following the jobs and opportunities in the prosperous north, while fleeing overt racism in the South. This exodus from the southern states contributed to prosperity and industry in the north, but also created a backlash against African Americans that is similar to the backlash that we have towards China, India, and Mexico today.

The shift to the north was short-lived and government investment to increase jobs in the south in the late 60s and 70s saw many whites move from the north to the south, followed by blacks. It was Jimmy Carter who advised Americans to "follow the jobs" during his 1980 Presidential campaign.

I wonder how much of a role the migration of blacks from the south played in the growth of the suburbs in the north. Would white city residents have moved to the suburbs at the rate that they did had the number of blacks in the north not increase by 50% in the years surrounding the Civil Rights act of 1964? Would the northern cities still be strong if blacks and whites had not fled the northern cities for new jobs in the south and west? Would streets like North Parade still be vibrant and fully occupied had this mass exodus to the south occurred?

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I don't have hatred for a certain place or people. Why would I hate anyone I don't know? I might dislike their life choices and the things they build to support those choices. I might dislike the attitudes they use to justify certain choices. But this does not equate to hatred of the person. Now, on here very often you hear vile broad brush things written about the people of the city by commenters, yet you have never asked them this same question - "why do you hate city people?"

Often in debating with me people will point out that Orchard Park and East Aurora and Hamburg have wonderful urban village centers as if this is proof that sprawl is good. To which I reply thank you for making my point on sprawl. They bring this up as if I have something against these lovely historic town centers when in actuality they are an example of what I am arguing FOR! The fact is these little village centers are being destroyed by sprawl too!

I make NO secret of my disdain for (lets call it what it is) hatred of the way suburbs are built today. I make no apology for that hatred and I have documented many times my reasons for that hatred. The sprawl method of building is damaging our environment and the security of our country. It is causing us to abandon the beautiful architectural heritage that we have been given by our ancestors, it makes our bodies unhealthy and our public discourse unhealthy. I have asked several BRO commenters to submit a story defending sprawl but none will step forward. Why is that? Usually shortly after I offer them a platform they start calling me names and complaining about where I live. I don't get it. Are you ready to stand up for sprawl?

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I don't support sprawl at all, but I also don't believe that suburban living is as bad as you tend to make it out to be. I don't believe that city living is as good as some tend to make it out to be either, this is why it is good to have choices. To each their own.

I see a lot of negative comments about the city, but they are often based on fact and not perception. Someone who comments about violent crime or failing schools isn't necessarily saying something that isn't true. Meanwhile, someone who says that the suburbs are a "white fear fortress" or that suburbanites are inherently racist is speaking out of perception and opinion. To say that new suburban developments in third ring suburbs is a waste is true, to say that suburban development is inherently bad is a fallacy. Let's keep this conversation grounded in fact.

I see no problem calling people out on over generalizations and stereotypes. That goes for comments aimed at the city and the suburbs.

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To each their own is fine when it does not degrade the whole. Sprawl is a disaster in the making. I don't support that kind of choice.

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You don't support that kind of choice. Other people may see sprawl as a positive and see dense urban living as a disaster. It is a matter of perspective. Both sides have their bias and I would hate to see either make the decisions for the whole. If you are unable to see merits and deficiencies in both sides of the argument, then you should withhold your judgement until you are able to make a more informed and subjective opinion.

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s'n>"Let's keep this conversation grounded in fact."

Your claim that the pro sprawl types are somehow more factual than people against sprawl is laughable. I have read more crap being posted in the name of defending sprawl ranging from tired "fear the city" cliches to ridiculous claims of regulating sprawl waste as being unpatriotic, to my favorite, that sprawl costs (roads, utilities, special districts etc) are paid for by the sprawl fairy.

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That foundation built on racism didn't just go away after the first generation, racist adults raise racist kids. As I have said before, racism still drives sprawl, it is just a kinder, gentler kind of racism.

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Yikes... in 2008 minorities constituted a majority of residents in the suburbs of Texas, New Mexico, California and Hawaii. Obviously, the suburbs of Buffalo are a bit more conservative. However, nationwide, about 25 percent of suburbanites are minorities; by 2050 this figure could double. Hardly a "white fear fortresses of suburbia."

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I think you will likely find that the non white suburban residents are living in the older inner ring suburbs and the whites have moved further out. That is certainly the case with Chicago.

By the way, Hawaii - the whole state - has never had a majority white population.

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If the suburbs are a "white fear fortress" could the same be said for the Elmwood Village? Norwood, Ashland, Elmwood, Delaware Avenues? Maybe even Richmond and Linwood as the borders or buffer zones? I've known people who say that they wouldn't want to live on Linwood because it's too close to Main Street and some who don't want to live on Richmond, because it's too far West. Could this be code for attitudes against diversity? Right in the middle of the city? Could it be that there are predominantly white neighborhoods in the city that are just as racist as the white fear fortresses of suburbia? I never counted, but I wonder how many black people live on Lancaster Avenue, or in the Elmwood Village as a whole. Some of the suburbs are more racially diverse than Licoln, Chapin, and Bidwell Parkways. Does that make those streets a white fear fortress too? Which makes me also wonder how many of us ever choose to go to MLK Park instead of say, Delaware Park, for spending a lazy afternoon. Talk is cheap, and blog posting even cheaper, so I don't expect an answer. If you said you frequently leave your home on Cleveland Avenue or Oakland Place to have picnics in MLK park, nobody would believe you anyway.

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I would probably never go to MLK park. I live 200m from Delaware Park. Whatever your argument is, it sounds pretty lame.

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i just stumbled on this great tool. enter 14222 here.

http://factfinder.census.gov/

as of 2000, using rounded numbers, there were 14,000 people in the elmwood zip code. of them, just over 11,000 were white. the rest were black (alomst 2000), asian, american indian, etc. that works out to about 21%.

i compared it to 14221 (williamsville) because that was the only suburban zip code i could come up with off the top of my head. it has 51,500 people, of which 47,750 are white. that works out to about 8% people of color, most of whom are asian. just over 1000 were black, or 2%.

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Time to play the ChristieLou drinking game: one shot for every ignorant statement you make. Double shot every time you mention the glory of the Third Reich.

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east aurora names things after hubbard & roycroft. south buffalo names things after irish-americans. delaware district names things for wasps. broadway-fillmore still has things named for poles even after most of them moved away. so what?

my only quibble with naming east side stuff for national heroes is that it neglects local af-am notables such as mary talbert, john brent, frank grant, andrew smitherman, joe hodges, etc.

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1) Everyone knows Grant Street is behind Buffalo State
2) Everyone knows Hodge is off Elmwood by the hospital
3) A section of the fragmented Eagle Street dissected by urban renewal is named for Mary Talbert but there is also Talbert Hall. Of course no one can use it because urban renewal disconnected the section before and after.
4) A section of Michigan is renamed for Harriett Tubman which no one will ever call Michigan by Harriett Tubman. Its just confusing.

So Smitherman and Brent are missing on the Buffalo Street grid.

Most people like one word and one syllable if possible. Short and easy. There is nothing wrong with naming a street Grant. Does it matter whether its Ulysses Grant the General or Frank Grant the African American. None has ever and will ever say Im going shopping on Ullysses Grant Street.

Its just stupid.

Im pretty sure Hodge was actually named after african american Joe Hodges. Should it be discounted because its not in the center of the african american community and does not include his first name.

Oh yes...the hospital is by JOE Hodges Street. People never do that.

Oh yes...go to Mary Talbert Memorial Hall on the Amherst Campus. People never say that...its just Talbert Hall.

Every American city that was settled only used the last names for streets. This trend that the entire name has to be used to memorialize a person creates more confusion and most people just abbreviate it or ignore it which I think is more disrespectful.

To me its just a sign of liberal insanity. Use the last name only and not just for 1 or 2 blocks of a street. People can get confused and lost that way. People who deserve honorable recognition do not deserve something half-arsed.

If only the full name will do then honor them with a public statue and a plaque.

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'Every American city that was settled only used the last names for streets.'

No. You made this up, too.

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actually hodge street was named for william hodge.

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So if the street is named Hodge then why cant it honor both or more than one Hodge whether they be Joe, Jane, William

What is this insecurity and lack of self esteem that liberals have that it only counts if their first middle and last name are used to memorialize them.

As I said...its fine for a statue...not so good for anything else.

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Those 1 to 5 all sound like good common sense.

Another example for the first one is William L. Gaiter Parkway, between Kensington and Delavan. Why not just call it Gaiter Parkway? Whoever was naming streets back when Allen and Hodge were named used more sense about it. Apparently it was lost at some point.

Good thing the Common Council included the L or it might be confused with William J. Gaiter Parkway if we ever have one of those some day.

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Maybe our historical figures were less insecure.

or maybe to truly show the insanity we should rename:

from WASHINGTON STATE to the GENERAL GEORGE WASHINGTON STATE

from WASHINGTON DC to GENERAL GEORGE WASHINGTON, DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA

or how about something closer to Buffalo History by renaming:

from GRANT STREET to HIRAM ULYSSES GRANT MEMORIAL STREET

from MCKINLEY AVENUE to WILLIAM MCKINLEY JUNIOR MEMORIAL AVENUE

Yup, try driving by those street signs at 30 miles per hour or faster

Oh and maybe like the 4+ blocks of Harriett Tubman Way that changes renames Michigan Street...

lets just follow that logic and Grad94 and change the name of the street every 2 blocks. One section of Michigan can be Joe Jodge Memorial Street, then another section can be Mary Talbert Memorial and another section can be Harriett Tubman Memorial then by the time we get to the Inner Harbor it can be another name.

We can make a game out of it. How long can we name a street and how many times can we change the name of a street from beginning to end?

Hey if we really want to boost the self esteem of our citizens lets just take the birth certificates and name each section of each city block after someone. Lets see Main Street goes from 100 block to say 900 block...that could be 9 name changes after people we want to memorialize.

Well I suppose thats one way to get people to stay in the city....just confuse the street names so they get lost and dont know how to leave. Yup that will solve the population decline.

Isnt public education wonderful! Now as Andy Warhol said everyone can have their 5 minutes of fame.

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insecure notables?

um, johnq, you don't generally get stuff named for you until after you're dead (the typical exception being living presidents), after which time you have no control over whether or how people name stuff for you.

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Lets stop beating a dead horse.

I have an opinion about how people should be memorialized, I revealed my logic behind it. My opinion is equal and open to every part of the metro area. There is no prejudice involved.

1) last name only unless its a statue
2) If a road has a number like I-190 or Route 5 then dont give it a name as no one will use it.
3) If its a street then dont change the name of a street for a few blocks because its confusing and no one will use it
4) New names for streets should be reserved for new streets, bridges, etc.
5) Consider word association for the most positive impression. Breakup large negatively associated areas into smaller more positively associated areas such as Cold Springs, Masten, Larkin. Try to name things for the most positive and inviting effect to help investment and property values.

Me, personally, I could easily accept Kings Park over historically correct Humboldt Park. King actually sounds more positive.

Now this is common sense stuff...and it shouldnt have gotten anyone ruffled. So can we let this rest

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JohnQ,
The only thing about you that hasn't gotten old is PaulBuffalo's jokes about you.

However, thank you for giving your caps lock a break.

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Paul Buffalo is using humor to delegitimize and marginalize a person that he disagree with...its not humor...its a strategic tactic.

Paul is engaging in cyber stalking and a form of cyber warfare.

It may amuse you but you should be aware of what your laughing at.

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" to delegitimize and marginalize a person that he disagree with...its not humor...its a strategic tactic.

Paul is engaging in cyber stalking and a form of cyber warfare."

I don't exactly think that is what he is doing. What he is doing requires far less words. And it appears it is working.

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"And it appears it is working"

Working, how? See Tood's comment in the Japanese Garden post:
http://www.buffalorising.com/2010/07/japanese-garden-celebration.html#comment-42782

Since you and a few others have started acting more and more like you few own this blog and appointed yourselves to tell others when to shut up or get lost (along with endless little "zingers", word counting, etc.) - have BR's comment threads gotten better?

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"for many who are old enough it is evokes fights, burned neighborhoods, forced busing, the riots"

I am "old enough" and lived through it all, especially forced integration. Yes there were fights and distrust all around but that was driven mainly by white racism. Black Rock and Riverside were not real friendly to black people and when the busing began so did the trouble. We eventually came to an uneasy truce but whites were much less tolerant and kept their distance from the black kids. That racism is still with most white Americans today, it is just more subtle and quiet.

Martin Luther King evokes decency and respect, not the issues you suggest.

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If only we named Elmwood after Martin Luther King, Jr, instead of areas of the East Side. I think that is part of the passive racism, naming ghetto areas in many cities after great leaders like Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, Rosa Parks, and the like. Let's start naming more affluent areas after great African American leaders and show them the respect that they deserve.

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whats wrong with a nice tasteful bronze statue for notable african americans.

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So you are opposed to naming anything after great Americans?

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Well to be honest and in a manner of speaking I just think there should be some common sense practicality.

For instance if streets are named after numbers or letters as they are on the west side then I think that should stay. Its really part of our history.

For instance people know certain roads and expressways by numbers (90, 190, 290, etc) and no one will ever refer to them with a persons full name. No one will ever say take the Dwight D Eisenhower Expressway, to the Korean Memorial Expressway which will then transition into the Vietnam Memorial Expressway...etc etc etc.

The same goes for Michigan Avenue. No one is going to say take Michigan then Harriett Tubman then Michigan again to the First Ward. Dont rename something that already exists and dont rename a section of it.

If you want a full name then erect a statue. The meridian by the Albright Knox could easily welcome a statue of Martin Luther King.

If you want a park or a bridge or a building (etc) then use the last name only to refer to the person. For instance: KING'S PARK HAS A VERY POSITIVE ASSOCIATION and everyone knows its for Martin Luther King but it just has a completely different word association and its something people will use and gravitate. Go to King's park in the Queen City. Sounds like THE place to go.

STEEL, you may know this rule of thumb about sidewalks. Plant grass and see where people walk then put the sidewalks over those paths. Its the same thing with word association and real estate...figure out what has the most positive association and what people will accept/use on a daily basis. Thats not prejudice...thats just real world pragmatism.

(I feel sorry for some names because they dont roll off the tongue well. Scajaquada...oh yes we locals can say it but out of visitors look at it and say what the f*&^! Hey Iroquois Beer was a marketing success but would you buy Scajaquada Beer? Again its word association, its what people use..its real world pragmatism). Particularly in real estate...people will tell you...there is a HHUUGGEE relationship between money, value, appearance and word association.

If you want a full name then use a statue otherwise it should be referred to in last name only. Thats how I see it.

No look I will gladly join hands with you and sing the Coca Cola song "Id like to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony"...but this isnt a city of shallow superficial media types like LA or political types like DC. Buffalo is very midwest...very salt of the earth...pragmatic...stupid at times...but pragmatic...and we embrace change reluctantly and in a manner that is most convenient to us.

There that is my opinion. Naming things after people should be used rarely and full names should be reserved for statues.

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the fights, riots, and burned neighborhoods you talk about didn't occur until after king was assassinated and are hardly his fault. during his lifetime, protest took the form of peaceful lunch counter sit-ins and dignified marches. had he not been killed, most of those riots might not have happened.

oh, and i was bused as a kid and it was the coolest part of the school day.

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Yes some happened before and some happened after the death of MLK. Remember there were other activists that were not pacifists at the time so there were things happening before the death of MLK.

The point is not the chronology or logical connections. Watch the tonight show and find out how many people dont know what state they live in LOL! No my comment was much simpler and it was in reference to what people think of in word associations.

For example: Cold Springs, Masten, Fruit Belt, Larkin are all better off with these names rather than being lumped into the general eastside which has a negative connotation.

MLK as a word evokes the center of an african american community (yes he was a hero, yes he was a christian pasifist, yes I respect him a great deal, yes he is responsible for a great deal of positive in the african american community and very little negative can be attributed to him).

But here is the sad fact which none of you want to admit and all of you want to dance around and blame white people.

A great many successful upper and middle class african americans will not stay on the eastside with the poorer african americans. They live freely in other parts of the city like the westside, blackrock, riverside, south buffalo, etc or move out to the suburbs. There is no prejudice. The unfortunate thing is that the remaining community is predominantly poor and predominantly african american without the role models to emulate, things like welfare and truancy and drugs and other challenges abound.

Without african american middle and upper classes ordinary livable retail like grocery stores and dry cleaners wont open. This then becomes the perception which gets repeated ad nauseum as the media constantly refers to african american community with the general term eastside. Thus eastside and anything associated with the eastside gets a negative association even though there are some wonderful sections of the eastside.

In simple word association, when people see MLK the street or the park (etc) the immediately think...african american and eastside then associate all the problems of the eastside.

As I said, thats why the eastside is better off differentiating itself away from the generic term eastside into smaller more meaningful neighborhoods and thats my opinion.

People have a far different word association to Humboldt Parkway and Humboldt Park than they do to MLK Parkway and MLK Park. You can lambaste and persecute me all you like but this is what a great many people associate.

Now you can beat a dead horse with political correctness but you will get better results if you stop the stupid believe that you can change people by dictating what they think and speak through political correctness. Thats just fascist and communist in my opinion.

Speak to people on common ground reality and have a real conversation with them. You might find that the person who speaks their mind has more strength of character than the spineless one that dances around with political correctness.

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'A great many successful upper and middle class african americans will not stay on the eastside with the poorer african americans. They live freely in other parts of the city....'

Yeah, how dare they live freely like other people and move to other neighborhoods. ChristieLou, let me know when we can play a word association game about you.

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The lens from which you absorb information is so biased that I think its completely beyond you comprehending the full intent of anything anyone says.

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North Parade is actually the most stable streets in that neighborhood in terms of home ownership. There are some residents who've lived there for almost 50 years! The majority of the homes are beautifully maintained and the new landscaping will just be icing on a glorious cake. The small number of vacant homes is not an example of absentee landlords. The neighbors simply would not tolerate it. Also, many of the owners are elderly. Lots of these homes will be on the market within the next decade. Now that the spotlight has been shown on this Olmstead created gem, perhaps those vacant homes will be occupied and restored to the standards of the other homes.

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Exactly, I'd like to see those vacant houses purchased and occupied. This is a neighborhood that could remain as a stable cornerstone of the East Side, or could become like so many other neighborhoods. I'd like to know how to buy one of those homes, if one were to be available.

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from a broader point of view, i am lucky enough my job has taken me to the east side neighborhoods consistently over the last 15 years, and i have noticed this year more than ever how much these neighborhoods are changing, and not always for the worse...this particular neighborhood still maintains much of its stucture and plenty of faded glory including best street, the parade streets and even norway along northampton...

take a ride around the neighborhood, and you'll notice many gardens already,and exterior work being done...of course if you go in looking for the dilapidated houses, scary lookin dudes, stray animals, poverty, drugs and neglect, that's probably the first thing you'll see, no doubt...but don't miss what's happening there. many neighbors are of modest means, but some homes are recently painted, some are being sided, the landscape is being tended to, roofing repairs...not always up to code, or the most expensive materials but i believe these residents really love their homes and neighborhood...

some neighborhoods may even raise a few eyebrows...one in particular is the muslim community moving in to the sycamore neighborhood around sweet and sobieski streets, right around the corner of MLK park, where these families are constantly rehabbing the homes that survived, churches and community center rehabs, and this is also true in pockets along the neighborhood that shares stanislaus st...still a bit rough but very silently making a comeback...

this garden competition is such a great idea in order to reinforce the sense of dignity that is alive and well with these neighbors...

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wouldn't it be cool if the junior league followed suit and chose a house on this street for its annual decorator showplace?

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awesome idea, grad94, you should contact them and give them that suggestion! Its really good.

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Great to see another project in an area that has long been overlooked. The East Side is as varied in housing as the West Side and has many pockets of quality housing that few in WNY are aware of. I have explored this entire city and it is the East Side that offers the most surprises. Even in the roughest parts pride is evident in the way some of the beautiful old homes are maintained. Gardens from fancy to humble grace many front yards bringing a little beauty into the most blighted blocks. This project will help bring some attention and hopefully investment to the area.

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and this really irks me too!

The suburbs were not created to flee african americans!

The suburbs were created for a confluence of reasons such as:
1) Our nation was well aware that an entire high density city and all its logistics could be destroyed with a nuclear bomb. Suburbs were a way to decentralize the population away from ground zero.
2) little housing and apartments have been built since 1929 and there was an enormous housing shortage for returning WWII veterans. Suburbs were one solution.
3) war factories had to be converted back to consumer goods for returning WWII veterans and the years of high production of war machinery allowed big advances in cars for the masses. Models expanded rapidly and obsolescence was designed in.
4) the sexual crescendo of the marriage/baby boom made those 1950s suburban cape cods with backyards (instead of apartments and duplexes which were common prewar) what everyone wanted
5) advertising, marketing, mortgages...all made it sell and affordable...

Actually african american neighborhoods were very livable, entrepreneurial and prosperous when they consisted of the poor, middle class and the wealthy. Much like the other ethnic communities around the city. The stories passed on to me were that for the most part people got along and there were leaders in the community, neighbors knew each other and there was a great deal of self policing of neighborhoods.

Civil Rights was caused more by unfair business practices like redlining, the migration to suburbs from cities and abandonment of mass transit for cars...much of which was government policy. Unfortunately government policy in the Great Society of LBJ made things worse not better.

Oh yes, its so easy to just blame the whites...blame the christians...

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'Oh yes, its so easy to just blame the whites.'

No, we just blame you. You could cause a whole neighborhood to move elsewhere.

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translation: block-busting and other discriminatory practices occurred everywhere in the us except the enlightened island of buffalo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbusting

just for fun, some statistical analysis of the true cost of segregation:

http://www.knowledgeplex.org/kp/facts_and_figures/facts_and_figures/relfiles/bi_rusk.pdf

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While we are on the topic of the role of racism in suburban expansion, do we see this being a similar catalyst for reinvestment and migration to the cities? I was just wondering, because one report that I saw stated that more minorities are living in the sububrs than ever before, and a different report said that they expect the census to show more whites living in cities now than in the past 50 years.

Could racist undercurrents actually drive whites to move back to the cities as the try to escape more minorities in the suburban neighborhoods? Will this be more prevalent if limits are put on sprawl in rural areas? Are we looking forward to this migration and will we see it as a success?

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Anyone can visit the NYS Department of Education website. On their site you can find the demographics of the student population. The minority student population has been increasing in some suburbs for a number of years. I can safely say that they have not moved out to these "sprawl communities" because they needed or saw minority representation in the local governments. I would bet that they moved out because they found services provided by the towns that the leadership of Buffalo could not give them, safe neighborhoods for their children, sports programs for kids, quality education, safe school environments, possibly houses that are increasing in value rather than decreasing as they pay the mortgage, taxes and fees. Someday one of the councilpersons or a mayor is going to realize that they are in competition for citizens who have the ability to leave when the conditions deteriorate. Until they realize that they have to compete they will continue to blame the sprawl communities for providing a quality of life that attracts residents.

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I agree with you completely. I have made some of the same comments about quality of life and quality of education in the past.

I am wondering that if racism is really an issue, will the migration of minorities to the suburbs cause a migration of non-minorities into the empty areas of the city? I imagine that our government will offer incentives and subsidies to rebuild the vacant neighborhoods, would a developer be able to build a new elitist community within a gentrified area of the city as a reaction to the homogeonization of the suburbs?

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The suburbs have the same leadership issues as the city, the only reason they are more able to provide certain services is their tax base is much stronger and they don't have to deal with the entrenched poverty that hinders Buffalo's success. If anything I would argue they are very inefficent when comparing the amount of tax dollars they collect and spend. It is unfair to expect a city with almost all of the regions poor to prosper, especially when the suburbs have perpetuated this problem by design.

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Poor people don't vote? It was my understanding that there were large scale initiatives to get the poor to the polling places for the most recent elections.

I think it comes down to representation and responsiveness. When you look at the Supervisor races in Amherst and Clarence, you see the people voting in neighbors and friends, not members of the political machine using the Mayor's office as a stepping stone to a higher office. Suburban governments are far from perfect or free from corruption, but they tend to be far more responsive to all citizens than the City of Buffalo or Erie County governments.

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Your correct, the poor don't turnout, I think this is mainly because they have no stake in the game. Better wages and opportunities would change that, having a piece of the pie makes for good citizens.

Suburban election turnout seems to be driven by an attempt to control their taxes more than anything else, they just don't want to pay for their lifestyle choice.

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I find it hard to believe the same few people here still have the energy or interest to have yet another identical commentary about the same identical topics over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. It's notable.

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If you dont like the program, change the channel.

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