City June 7, 2010 12:00 AM

Way Off The Grid on the West Side

Way Off The Grid on the West Side
By Ian Carlino:

A feature in the New York Times Magazine profiled a mansion in the city that houses numerous "freegans." They try to live detached from the system, dumpster-diving for food and avoiding money whenever possible.

The feature discusses the freegans' impact on their neighborhood, and how, despite their unkempt appearance, they have positively impacted their area just as well as any community organizer could have.

Looks like schooling, connections and degrees really aren't necessary to create a base for community growth.

Also, see this BRO post on The Bird House.

Check out the New York Times Magazine article.
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Great article in the Times Magazine. I think it reflects positively on the City.

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Positively? Really?

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/06/01/magazine/20100606-squatters-3.html

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/06/01/magazine/20100606-squatters-9.html

I don't think it will make a big negative difference either in what most NY Times readers think of Buffalo, but how are those images positive?

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Abandoned and derelict mansions that become homes to prostitutes, drug dealers, and squatters. That isn't a very positive image of Buffalo.

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True, but most NY Times readers probably already think Buffalo is great because of previous upbeat reporting about our architecture and arts. /sarcasm

Kidding aside, I'll bet most downstate elites think of Upstate as a whole the way Spitzer did during his gov campaign when he compared us to Appalachia. Those pictures won't improve the image, but there's many parts of NYC where this same stuff goes on.

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In an interview last month, Patti Smith told an audience at the Cooper Union "New York has closed itself off to the young and the struggling. But there are other cities. Detroit. Poughkeepsie... New York City has been taken away from you... So my advice is: Find a new city."

Patti Smith isn't the only one saying this kind of thing. In this context, the article is a positive thing for Buffalo. It show signs of life that New Yorkers recognize as a kind of harbinger of new culture. These images might recall memories of another time in the History of New York.

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of course i'm not saying that this in any way guarantees that Buffalo or Detroit is the next East Village. Its just one way that this article can be seen as positive.

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davvid - true, but can't freegans also do their thing in many neighborhoods of very big cities like NY too? It sounds like your quote from Patti might have been her suggesting smaller cities to more creative-ambitious types looking for low rent rather than no-rent.

Anyhow, I'm not sure many readers of NY Times Mag are potential squatters deciding what city to move to. I've no idea what makes some places better than others for freegans and squatters. Lol, maybe we'll find out if Forbes makes that their next list!

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I don't think there is anything wrong with what they are doing. Except it seems a little on the unstable side.

The though of eating something that has been in the garbage is an awful one to me.

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'off grid' isn't a strictly accurate headline as the article says the kids have a utility bill and pay it. after all, how else would they keep their ipods charged up?

looks like the kids are growing up and facing the fact that if you really want autonomy and self-determination, you have to take responsibility. in this case, it means owning the house they live in and keeping it liveble.

but they don't have to become corporate drones now that they have property to maintain. here's what freegan house could become without sacrificing its core values:

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=20277911416

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While I agree with some of the concepts (we waste too much, etc.) it's difficult for me to take away anything positive about Buffalo from this.

If you actually spend time in the city, you know anything that's not nailed down is going to be removed from your property. Twice in the last week I had employees from nearby restaurants ask if I'd seen who'd taken their bikes.

The one picture shows a room full of bikes. Somehow I don't think their picking these up at Rick's cycle shop.

Yes, it's possible in the year 2010 to live off others. Is this news, or anything we should hope our children aspire to? I don't think so.

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Ben- I have not had anything stolen in over 20 years, with just a little common sense it is relatively easy to prevent theft.

The bikes are most likely garbage picked, in our consumer throw away society bikes are easy to come by.

I don't think it is fair to say they "live off others", if anything they are self sufficent, using only the things others discard. I taught my own children to live modestly and to reject the materialistic lifestyle that so many waste their lives chasing. The kids at Bird house are just taking these values to heart and living their own way, I respect that.

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When these kids get sick, we take care of them.

If when they got sick they went off to die, I'd have a bit more respect for them. When I poison the rats on my property, they don't turn up in the local ER.

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Why do you need to play the role of 'jerky conservative guy' all the time?

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That's my role. Is there something specific you disagree with?

There seems to be a recurring theme here.... deserters (sp?) that want to be veterans, homeless by choice that want to be homeowners, and gays/lesbians that want the benefits of being couples.

I say fine, do what you like (not so conservative, really).

But when your choice works against you, accepting the outcome is part of being an adult, not a child.

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"When these kids get sick, we take care of them." You can't possible know this to be true.

You also suggested that they are bike thieves.


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They have medical insurance? No...that would involve the exchange of cash, and it "just doesn't feel right". Really, I don't think it's a stretch in any way for me to say we pay their medical bills.


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It's a stretch based on a vague statement.

If these are college students they may have insurance through their school. If they are under 29 they may still be on their parents' plan. Or they may simply have insurance through an employer. Of course, It is just as likely that they are uninsured.

My point is that we don't know very much about them and its jerky to jump to such conclusions based only on a few interesting lifestyle choices.

You also suggested that they are bike thieves.


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'...college students' ?

...it would seem appropriate to read the related article before commenting on it. These are not college students looking to save a few bucks.

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Alright. Have a nice day.

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Most of the costs incurred in healthcare go to the middle and upper classes. We pay big money so fat out of shape middle aged people can get expensive surgeries and continue to ignore their responsibility for their own health. We pay for drugs to offset the bad choices made by citizens that feel they are entitled to special treatment. Poor people rarely seek healthcare except in emergencies and are given the bare minimum.

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I'm looking at the current census of an ER in WNY, and of the 21 patients being seen, 11 are self pay, with minor injuries and ailments, that you or I would not go to the ER for.

None of these patients will pay a dime for the visit, and after a few 'free' visits, they come back, and back, and back. The sick deserve treatment, but hospitals that don't get reimbursed, by someone, won't stay open for ever.

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I work in health care and agree reimbursement is a big problem. In 30 years I have seen health care suffer from the same wealth disparity that has divided and weakened our country in so many other ways. The wealthy and middle class consume the big dollars while the poor are provided the bare minimum. We spend a fortune, fail to cover all our citizens, and allow corporate interests to skim off about one third of all dollars spent. Single payer is the only option to reduce cost and expand coverage to all citizens.

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All the more reason to save for retirement and contribute to the Social Security system. There is a big difference between services provided to private pay / private insurance residents and those on medicare / medicaid.

I hope these kids understand that communal living that you see in many of the lower end nursing facilities sucks when compared to the higher end facilities. There is a huge difference between getting wheeled to a day room for a few hours or having individual care and services offered for private pay. Knowing that this is how the system is built, why would you choose the lower end? If you do choose that path, then don't complain about it.

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There seems to be a recurring theme here.... deserters (sp?) that want to be veterans, homeless by choice that want to be homeowners, and gays/lesbians that want the benefits of being couples. I say fine, do what you like (not so conservative, really). But when your choice works against you, accepting the outcome is part of being an adult, not a child."

Being gay, and wanting the same benefits of being a couple, is some sort of a choice? It's not like being gay is "making a choice that works against you." Because people aren't gay because they choose to be gay. That is, of course, unless you're saying that you could have been gay, thought about being gay, tried it out, and then made the conscious decision to be straight. I don't think most self proclaimed heterosexuals actually do this any more than homosexuals do. People don't consider their sexual orientation options and then choose one over the others (with the exception of people who are truly bisexual). The suggestion that it's a choice for most people is such a joke.

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Healthcare is seen as a human right in most developed countries, America stands alone in denying this to our citizens.

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America denies health insurance to citizens, not health care.

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Your correct, I mistated that.

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America denys health CARE to it's citizens - emergency room treatment for EMERGENCIES as a LAST RESORT when you can't afford regular CARE - checkups, life saving drugs, etc. - isn't "care".

And - no - "access" to "insurance" doesn't cut it if you can't afford it.

Nice try tho...

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That's impressive. We live in a so-called "good neighborhood" and haven't had a Summer in the past 8 years when things were NOT stolen off the front porch. It is disheartening to find things like hanging baskets of flowers gone when you wake up in the morning--even after wiring them to the hook. And we don't even bother with pumpkins on the porch in the Fall anymore. So if when you say, "with just a little common sense it is relatively easy to prevent theft," you mean that we shouldn't decorate our porch, then I agree with you.

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Actually I did have a couple flower pots stolen last year but that was an exception. My point was more about the bigger stuff like bikes, lawnmowers, Ipods, etc.

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In the last three years I have had six bikes stolen from my porch or backyard. All were locked up, in most cases the chain and lock were worth more than the bikes. I have also lost an empty cooler from my back deck, a small weber grill, two shovels, and a recycling tote. I think the recycling tote may have been taken by accident though.

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My kind of crowd...

Soon everyone was rifling through the clothing. “I haven’t worn underwear in eight years,” declared Tim, as he clutched several pairs of boxers with a grin. “I am feeling fancy as hell!”

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JFC.

Clean the place up once in a while, you slobs. I'd have a little more respect for these losers if they'd show a little sense of personal hygiene.

Look at the slideshow and look at that fridge. Disgusting. But what does one expect in a little communist utopia - tragedy of the commons, indeed.

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I don't mean to be nasty, but this house is terrifying. Reminds me of a set in a horror movie.

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You're not the only one...

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Great Stuff... Two big press hits for the City in very affluent publications. Getting hits in the FT and NYT Mag are major pr coups.

Good to see people taking care of each other in the NYT piece.

Both articles excentuate what makes Buffalo great,"The Community".

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As a resident and owner of numerous rental properties within this neighborhood, I have the displeasure of having to drive/walk by the “Bird House” on occasion. This place is a slap in the face to the neighborhood. The article (NY Times) is generally asinine in glamorizing these people in alluring that they are a help in any way to our neighborhood. From what one can visually notice from a cursory review of the properties exterior, grounds and structure included, it is absolutely horrifying. The interior photos included within the article reflect the repulsive exterior appearance. Its unfortunate that while many other residents in the city either take care of their properties or are being hounded relentlessly by city hall this property owner feels that he is able to get away with much less then even the bare minimum. One thing the article was correct in stating, is that there is no shortage of individuals at the property to help out with maintenance around the house. This is blatantly evident by the numerous people hanging out on the porch many nights being load and getting wasted.

Are you reading this Tim Robson ? Maybe if you were to take care of your property, you would gain some respect from your fellow neighbors. Hide behind your token “freegan” and “environmentalist” tags and sponge off everyone you can. Give the finger to society all you want, eat out of dumpsters and house a bunch of transients. No one cares about you or your cause. Just cut your lawn and clean up your property.

You are ruining our neighborhood, maybe not in the same fashion as the drug dealers and prostitutes that preceded you, but ruining nevertheless.

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So the drug dealers and prostitutes were better for the neighborhood. Dislike their choices all you want but you honestly can't believe that these people are bringing down the neighborhood. More than a vacant run down and deteriorating whore house.

Maybe they don't keep their lawn as trimmed as our suburban mentality tells use it should be but from the article it sounds like they generally do keep up the property. Certainly more than the previous 'tenants.'

If you want to blame someone for bringing down your neighborhood you should be looking at the previous suburban ownership who feels it is just fine to let a house in the city rot, fall apart and totally destroy the fabric of a neighborhood. Take that mentality and multiply it by tens of thousands of absentee landlords \ property owners and you found the main reason our city looks bad.

Remember there wouldn't have even been a place for them to squat into if the property owner took care of their property to begin with.

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I would much rather deal with these neighbors than some of the thugs and thieves that we have here in Buffalo.

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I would rather live next door to a nice and respectful family, couple or individual who cares about the property and neighborhood.

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The article claims they are nice, respectful, and care about the neighborhood. They may be different but it could be so much worse. Here in Black Rock we have always had non-conformist types and they tend to be loyal to the neighborhood and overall good neighbors.

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The article states that some of the transient visitors were rude, drunk, and lewd. I think it quotes one neighbor as saying that he saw one of the residents urinating from a window. There was a mention of having to tell pet owners to take their dogs outside to be walked. It reminds me of living next door to the Sigma NU fraternity on Lasalle Ave. They were nice and respectful at times, but the times that they weren't were horrendous for everyone involved. My neighbor had someone defecate on the windshield of her car. That is not something you dismiss with the good times.

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Predictable negative comments from haters on BRO.

It sounds like many of you are upset that these kids have outsmarted us by getting by without a soul crushing job and a mountain of student debt to service.

The comment alleging that the bikes were stolen is childish. The Buffalo News has an online comment function you might want to check out.

We pay for these kids healthcare? Really? As long as you are an American you have not been paying for much over the past decade. That bill is getting stuck with me and my fellow 24 year olds. America is built on getting things without paying for them. Your welcome, old dudes with houses and kids.

And finally, what is the alternative for the kids who live at this house? What place is there for eccentric people in our society? At least at the house, their otherness is being channeled in a worth while direction. They could be "costing" us in other less creative ways like locked up in prison for about 30k per person per year.

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mikerals,

'soul crushing job?'... ummm, I like my job. Given the choice of Hutch's, or Hutch's dumpster, I'll take the menu, table cloth, well... the regular route, thanks. So...'outsmarted' would seem to be an odd choice of words. Not using toilet paper, no soap, no shower... hmmmm, not sure I'd call that 'outsmarting' anything. More like quitting.

In the last week I've helped the chef from Fat Bob's, and a dish washer from Fiddle Heads chase down individuals that stole their bikes. Bikes get stolen in the city, they end up somewhere. If you read the article, they admit to stealing the 'lost and found' articles from a laundromat. Not sure it's such a jump to conclude their not making monthly payments on a new Italian made 18 speed bike.

I work in healthcare. We pay the bill. I don't think you really need this point cleared up, do you? As for the old dudes with houses getting a free ride...I'm unclear about that. As far as you getting stuck with the bill, I'd agree, but that would seem to argue against supporting this fun loving group.

Your post seems to sense some resentment on my part, that these people have gotten over on the system somehow, just to be clear, that couldn't be farther from the truth. If you treated a dog like this, you'd get a ticket. Let them choose to do what they want, but to think they do so at no cost to us is naive.

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Your comment reminded me of a good friend that I had in High School. He dropped out in our Junior year and would tell us how great and liberating it was to be free from the oppression of the school administration. He never did acknowledge that he was part of the reason that the administration was so oppressive, but that is a different story. He bragged about his job, his new found wealth, and told us that we were all suckers for staying in school and going to college. His 'freedom' lasted about 8 years, until we all quickly caught up and passed him in our own pursuit of the American dream. He still lives in a rental duplex in North Buffalo, he has bounced between jobs and trade schools, forever believing that he is smarter than everyone else for not conforming to the system. 20 years and three wives later, he is still thumbing his nose and searching for himself. He also continually blames others for his misfortunes and for creating a society that he doesn't fit in. He frequently talks about how great things would be if the rich just give up all their wealth and share it with the "real Americans" who haven't given in to the man.

In another 15 years we will be paying for his social security, medicaid, and housing. We will pay for his senior care, and his medications. He is looking forward to it, saying that he is owed it by the rich because he has had to live poor for most of his life. He chose that path and continues to live it, no one owes him anything in my view. That said, I don't begrudge him anything that he gets from the system.

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It's totally cool with me if these folks want to live for free "off the grid" but what I do not understand is why they want to live in filth? Can't they clean up their mess and still live minimally? I think people would give them more support and respect if they at least cleaned up the garbage on the floor in their home. I don't see what point they're making by living in squalor. That certainly does not add to the community in any way shape or form.

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As an old hippie at heart, I agree, nothing wrong with a little soap and water, makes for better neighbors and doesn't cost much.

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An old hippie at heart? Now you are a wannabe hippie? Keep fighting the power buddy.

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I feel sorry for their dog. What a joke.

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Not just hipsters, but unwashed hipsters with an even greater unwarranted air of superiority?

Oh, goody.

At least now I know who keeps going through the dumpsters on the side of my apartment building, and leaving a gigantic mess of flies and loose garabge everywhere.

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I should add - there's nothing wrong with recycling things like furniture - hell, my apartment is mostly the product of handmedowns and a few amazing scores from Craigslist. Walking/biking - awesome! (though I wish more people in the city would shovel their driveway during the winter...and that the bus system maps actually made a shred of sense) Wanting to make less of an impact on the world around you? Sure!

But what exactly are these people proving by living in squalor and filth? Damn the man, save the empire? Making people recoil with the skeevies isn't the best way to prove your lifestyle is healthy or justified.

There are plenty of freegans / freecyclers that aren't parodies of the movement the seem to want to support.

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In my youth I have personally lived off the abundant "waste" of food stores, and squatted in neglected Buffalo properties for many years, I am disgusted with the establishment that encourages this deplorable waste of resources and the losers who dig through a dumpster and throw the remains all over.
I have personally fought bloody fights with punks who thought that because they were not paying for the house we lived in they could destroy it.
There are always losers whose only concern is there own personal gratification whether corporate or gutter punk, but likewise there are always those who make a positive impact on our society.
The question we should all be asking ourselves rich and poor alike is where do we stand?
What have YOU done TODAY to make our world better?

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**** you you elitist prick

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Amazing.

Had this same house with the same occupants been owned by an out-of-town landlord, BRO would be all over it, accusing the owner of "demolition by neglect" and labeling him an evil slumlord with no regards to our struggling neighborhoods.

But twist the storyline with a little anti-capitalist off-the-grid individualists, and suddenly we're expected to see them as oh-so-kewl anti-hero's bringing multiculturalism to our city.

Bull****. These residents are neglecting the house and pulling down the neighborhood. They're living in squalor, and they are clearly not adding anything to our local economy since they don't even believe in money. We need to hold them to the same standards we hold regular owners to regarding upkeep and cleanliness.

So if this is the kind of BS BuffaloRising is going to keep peddling (like the 'Deserters are Veterans Too article' on memorial day) then I think I'll be avoiding this site. It's becoming an offensive joke.

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I agree.

If Western New York is going to make a positive contribution, be it in medical innovations coming out of BNMC, or GreatBatch, or some other startup, shouldn't we be looking for Engineers, Scientists, etc.?

If you believe in capitalism, the dumpster diver is a selfish drain on society, with no potential to benefit others. If you don't believe in capitalism, the dumpster diver is a hero.

Seems pretty clear where BR and a good number of it's readers come down on that issue.

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"If you believe in capitalism, the dumpster diver is a selfish drain on society"

....please explain?? It's "better" for perfectly edible food to go to waste?? How exactly is salvaging discarded goods selfish?

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Has anyone checked out the Bird House lately?
Do you honestly think that is beneficial to the neighborhood?
I'd like to support them if they actually made it a better place but they have accelerated the deterioration of that house.

The lawn was covered in junk...not gardens.

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Yeah, and another thing. Why don't these darn kids get a haircut like Johnny Unitas. That man has a cut you can set your watch to.

We here in Buffalo like our lawns cut nice, our music played at a reasonable volume, and our garbage in our dumpsters.

Now pardon me, I need to go remake my bed.

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Gross- Buffalo doesn't need to go "Third World."

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|If for no other reason these people should be allowed stay in that xxxxhole so parents can bring their children there to show them what happens when you don't go to college. These people contribute nothing to society. Nothing. They sit on a porch drinking cheap beer(the only thing the idiots seem to spend the evil currency on.)destroying what little brain cells they have left.Please residents of the birdhouse keep doing what your doing because the less of you there are the better the world is. |Restaurant owners- the only way to keep filthy disease- ridden rats out of your dumpster is to lock them and put a fence around them. The parents of these people must be so proud. "My daughter just graduated with honors and is starting her career what is your daughter up to?|" Oh, she is living in a dilapidated house and eating garbage.

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and how exactly do you contribute to society?

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There seems to be a clear separation in comments here: if you think these people are cool, you're a commie-lib; if you think they're awful, you're a fascist neo-con. I guess that's part of the state of political/social discussion in the USA today.

I do agree with snarkygoldfish, these freegans do seem like a parody of hippies, wanting the cred but coming up a bit short. Just being unemployed, dirty and self-righteous doesn't quite cut the proverbial mustard, even if it came from a dumpster.

I know Tim. He's a good kid, a good 22 year old young man. If you met him, I think you'd probably like him. He's funny, smart, and I don't think he uses his pleasant personality to get over on people. He is a leader, whether he wants to be or not. I know Tim's parents, and they are proud of him in a resigned way. (They used to be able to say, "Well, at least he's not selling drugs", but now with the charge of trafficing 3 lbs of pot in Chicago, they have to say, "At least he's not selling heroin".)

GeorgeD, you take the cake. "I feel sorry for the dog."

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I drove past 92 Bird, corner of West, an hour ago .... the front door was open, lights were shining within. Given the devastation of our city, the "Freegans" cannot be the worst thing to happen to the Bird/West neighborhood. One of these days, I may stop my elderly self out front with a Victrola full of 78s & a bag of 40 ouncers, to see if they want to visit with someone who is curious about how they live.

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