City May 18, 2010 4:09 PM

House of the Hole-y

House of the Hole-y
I often wonder how and when a church begins to go down the path of destruction. I suppose that it usually starts with a leaking roof and no regular maintenance. Maybe someone breaks in and strips the structure causing irreparable damage. In the case of Our Lady of Lourdes it started a few years ago when the stained glass windows were removed. Why isn't that against the law?

Since that time I have been thankful that the church appears to be in fair shape thanks to the boards that have been covering the windows. Then, a week ago, the largest board fell off and so did the smaller one to the side. Each day I have passed by to see if the boards would be replaced. Nope. What does this mean for this Main Street church? I'm not sure, but I can tell you that there are reasons to keep these historic structures mothballed, because we have seen enough of them crumble when they are neglected. Is this a code violation? I would think so. How does the City not notice that the boards are no longer in place? Or maybe the City does know, because it's completely obvious!
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Looks like this is going to be the newest birdhouse...or palace for them!

Doesnt Paladino own this?

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Isn't this owned by Paladino? Fix it Carl!!

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I'm MAD AS HELL that Carl Paladino is letting another building be subjected to demolition by neglect!

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Church reuse that is going on in NYC - http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7428284

I'm not comparing or suggesting, but just providing an example of what others have done with these type of structures.

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can we start to post signs of the neglectful owners outside these structures? HUGE signs?????

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i'm behind that 110%. it may call for some diy. here's a free online sign generator.

http://www.signgeneratormaker.com/

look up owner in the buffalo property database, print out banner-size at copy shop, affix to building with non-damaging tape.

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The location of this church on Main St. should keep the usual naysayers from their "it can't be saved" mantra. The Catholic Church, the City, and the previous owner all share the blame for the present condition. Carl Paladino is unlikely to be a good steward of this property and should be banned from further acquisitions until he proves himself to be competent and responsible property owner.

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Mr. Paladino just bought property not far from you near the intersection of Tonawanda Street and Ontario Street.

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Carl is bringing us yet another new bigger, better, Rite Aid perfectly designed for future vacancy or re-use as a Dollar Store.

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From the City's Charter: Section 341-14
"When the Commissioner determines that the owner or agent of record for real property within the City has not complied with the standards of this chapter or other standards or laws for the construction, replacement or repair of buildings, the Commissioner shall immediately serve notice upon that owner or agent of record as provided below and may have erected a sign with the text stated below on the public right-of-way adjacent to the subject structure."

"This sign shall have a white background with black lettering stating the following: "This property is contributing to the spread of slum and blight in the City of Buffalo.

"This property is owned by _________ (name of owner or agent), who resides at _________ (address of record), in the City/Town/Village of _________, State of _______. If further information is needed, the owner of this structure may be contacted at ________ (owner's telephone number).

"This sign has been erected by the City of Buffalo as a public service in the war against slums and blight."

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That seems like a really progressive provision in the City Charter. Have you ever actually seen one of these signs in front of a property before? This seems like a really powerful tool that the City could use to shame neglectful property owners into cleaning up. I think the City should be using these signs wherever possible, especially along major thoroughfares such as Main Street.

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Who is interested to take our anger and use it constructively? I feel it is high time to become a squeakier wheel in the preservation discussion.

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Should we collect funds to rent one of the billboards along our multitude of expressways highlighting some neglected properties and their owners? It might be an effective way to draw some media attention, much like it was done for President Obama when he came into town along the 190 as well as for Ralph and the cry to fire Dick.

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another good idea. use fundable.

http://www.fundable.com/

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I would be interested to join a working group of roll-up your sleeves activist preservationists. How/can we do this?

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You guys can blame all you want the current owner who bought this building 5 weeks ago.

In a well publicized public auction less than 2 years ago, there was only one bidder for it. That person bid $25,000 and got it for that price.
http://fixbuffalo.blogspot.com/2008/09/church-auction-follow-up.html

At that time, why didn't any progressives or preservationists chip in and buy it at that auction? If any had, then today it wouldn't have its current owner. It wouldn't have any holes in it. It would be well on it's way to some great reuse or at least be well mothballed.

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My comment gave Carl the 4th position in the chain of neglect but if his overall record is considered he could easily take first in the near future. Most responsible property owners secure and inspect their properties on a regular basis, Carl's various corporations seem to be incompetent in managing his properties.

As for progressives or preservationists, the movement is growing and buildings like this will have a future if we can protect them from profiteers and speculators.

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While you may find it easy to criticize Mr. Paladino, it should be noted that no one has rehabbed more properties in the City than he has. Remove the profiteers and speculators, and the city really would be done. I'm both, and the city is better off for it.

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Ben- I would agree that investors and entreprenurs are key to the health of our city but profiteers and speculators have mostly diminished and depreciated the building stock here in Buffalo.

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um, no. the joint schools reconstruction act is the largest preservation program in buffalo history.

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Agreed. I went to this auction, with checkbook in hand, but just couldn't get my head around it. At that time, another window in back (of similar size to the opening in front) had been open for some considerable period of time.

This site recently had an article about a church on Spruce street that was of a size I could handle. After approaching the Pastor, it's pretty clear they have no plan on selling, but will wait til it rots, then can level it, and build something else. That church has a lot more hope than this one. In my opinion that congregation should be held much more responsible for what happens to that church, than Mr. Palladino should be for this one.

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I heard that $25K bid was rejected by the seller, so the property didn't change hands as a result of the auction. The owner at the time of the auction purchased my old church already stripped down.

I drive by here at least twice a day and still remember how beautiful she used to be... even in her barren state she still shows signs of majesty.

GT - Now a Buffalo resident.

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This is such a spectacular building. Tearing it down would be a major mistake. The condition it is in now is from basic stupidity.

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The condition it is in now is because the people whose use it was intended for moved out of the city.

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Our Lady of Notre Dame de Lourdes is a special case in its likelihood to be saved. The resurgence of Allentown, the Fruit Belt and Masten because of the Center for Excellence in Life Sciences is unquestioned.

It makes re-use for this historic structure in a very highly visable location both likely and viable.

Buffalo is very fortunate to have developers focusing on older structures. The problem is that the older structures that are neglected keeps growing faster than developers can take them off the list with re-use.

No sooner than the Dulski goes off the list than the Statler goes on the list. No sooner does the AM&As warehouses go off the list than the AM&As and Lafayette go on the list.

These old historic buildings are anchors to gentrify existing communities where as shovel ready grass lots/asphault parking lots are nothing more than drive by as they dont attract builders or developers. Stabilization and warehousing are prudent and wise.

However, Buffalo is 60% demolished proving prudent and wise is not the best description for the leaders of our community.

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Funny how Carl wants to tell others what to do when his own properties are falling apart and the ones he fixed don't even look all that great. The former L.L. Berger's is looking a mess, the former Courtyard Mall, and Mohawk Building are all a mess and can we say 'Greystone'?...hows that BIG hole in the roof looking????? And how is having a parol office on the first floor on MAIN STREET next to a Housing Assistance office with blank windows and a former department store with all vacant and blocked off windows really an improvement for MAIN STREET???? I mean REALLY????? CARL?????

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Maybe Carl is planning to give back to Buffalo the way Ani Difranco did by investing his own money and energy into making this place a showcase, or maybe not.

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Ani Difranco did not use her own money alone to turn the Asbury Delaware Avenue Methodist Church into the HQ for her company. According to this website:

http://transform.vacantproperties.org/case_studies/1

"Financing was achieved through a complex mix of public and private streams with HSBC as the equity investor. Project lenders included the Buffalo Economic Renaissance Corp. and Delaware Lender, LLC. Sources of funding included:

$4.55 million in New Markets Tax Credits including historic tax credits made possible after the building was placed on the National Register for Historic Places in 2003.

$2.7 million from the City of Buffalo

$440,000 for interior renovations raised from Hallways independently

New York State Empire Zone incentives, such as sales tax exemptions and utility rate savings

Thirty year 'Payment in Lieu of Taxes' which allows for all new real estate tax generated by the property to be channeled back into the project.

$350,000 from the EPA for geothermal heating and cooling technology"

Though I applaud Ani Difranco for saving this building, it would be false to say, or imply, that she did so with her own money alone.

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NEWELL, LOVE THE PUN THAT YOU USED FOR THE TITLE.

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Strange that it was purchased for $25,000 2 years ago and now that it has deteriorated even further, is now for sale for $199,000.
http://www.2findyourhome.com/search/property/detail.cfm?search_mlnum=B351489&search_property_type=COM#

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People who want this church building to be saved could have grouped together and tried to buy it in the public auction when it sold to the only bidder at $25,000. That didn't happen, but the chance was there.

The higher price now might be due to people envisioning future use of the land after the building is gone some day. Time will tell. No building stands forever.

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I wish I had the resources to make it into something like this:
http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/sf/inspiration/beautiful-interiors-converted-church-091426

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I hope I'm not the first person to call the City and report that the boards are missing on this church. Forgive my sarcasm, but "the city" is not all-knowing, they rely on people reporting problems to their 311 line. I just called and put in a claim, please go ahead and do the same, the problem may be resolved quicker if there is complaints. Thanks Queenseyes for bringing this to our attention.

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It's no secret Paladino wanted to build a Rite Aid at Main and North and was rebuffed. I think he found a new site outside of the preservation district. Be very afraid.

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When I called City Hall's third floor this morning I was told there's an inspection scheduled for Lourdes - 1115 Main Street - tomorrow.

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What kind of inspection, David? "Pre-demolition"?!! This is shameful. What was once a solid building in a great location is being allowed to fall apart. If I had the money, I'd buy it myself and renovate it. Your first clue is the phrase "Development Site" on the For Sale sign - no one had any intention of keeping this thing.

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"wonder how...a church...demolition"

Really? Nobody goes to church anymore. The Church, Catholic or not, gets lambasted by everyone. Budhissm is cool. Especially the BRO demographic - really, it's not a mystery. The Rev Drew Church is probably swimming in a sea of debt.

When the last of the SB and Lackawanna old folk die off the Basilica will be in the same sad state since the Catholic Diocese is no longer financially afloat.

You want churches? Go to them and give to them. It's not about the past so don't bother with the pedophilia argument.

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"Budhissm is cool. Especially the BRO demographic."

Can you substantiate this (misspelling of Buddhism notwithstanding)?

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Budhissm might have something to do with drinking budweiser...

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