City April 4, 2010 8:13 AM

Outer Harbor Site Rules

Outer Harbor Site Rules
While paying a visit to the Times Beach Nature Preserve at the Outer Harbor yesterday, I wandered over to the clearing where the ice boom was formerly kept when not on out the lake. There's a metal fence that separates the two destinations that really does not serve a purpose anymore, though the obstacle ends further towards the water's edge so that you can get back and forth pretty easily by climbing up and down some boulders. What you will find when you visit the site is a vast pebble clearing where the ice boom once sat, another smaller sandy beach, and castaway architectural building elements reminiscent of a set from the movie Planet of the Apes.

As I walked further along the waterline I came to another elevated clearing where I found a newly constructed wood pier overlooking a slip. The sign on the small pier had been posted by the Erie Canal Harbor Development Corporation. Apparently the pier had been built strictly for fishing purposes, but it wasn't clear who was allowed to fish there since the first item posted read, "Parking on the site limited to vehicles of permit holder members only." Of course there were no cars to be found anywhere, so naturally there was nobody fishing. The cars were all on the other side of the slip - that area had not been gated off yet and a number of fishermen were casting over the edge. As you can see (below), the sign points out that the area is gated off at all times, and permit holders are allowed access... it's not exactly clear if the permit is for fishing, or if it's another type of permit.

I would think that until there was some sort of development taking place on properties such as this, anyone would be allowed to walk out the water's edge (limited car access please, as there is plenty of parking along the road) and fish (with a fishing permit of course). There's nothing to abuse, and there are no dangerous obstacles... people should be allowed to explore these areas, drop a line, walk along the pebbled waterfront, sit on the sandy beach, etc. Take down the fences, don't limit who can go there, clear some trails and a post a sign stating what is happening at this section of the Outer Harbor - now and in the future.

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Great ideas, Newell. Right behind ya on this one!

I have rakes!!!

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The demolition of that church is still an ulcer that will not heal upon Buffalo and Delaware Avenue.

Particularly poignant since today is Holy Easter.

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Let's ask Elise Cusack about this. I guess this fits into her new job description.


http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/04/02/1007337/power-authority-board-member-takes.html

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"I would think that until there was some sort of development taking place on properties such as this, anyone would be allowed to..."

Correct, because nobody should have control of their own property unless they've buildt something on it. That appears to mean that my front & back yards are open to flip-flop clad dbags holding their wine tastings just because my house doesn't happen to cover the whole damned lot.

Smoke on ...

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The difference is almost all of these properties are in the hands of public entities not private people. I agree with Newell, the water's edge should be used for everyone, especially if it a public land.

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What a joke, take down the fence, nobody's putting anything on this parcel for awhile. And by the way Mr. Green Jeans, your property is private, the lands being discussed are owned by public entities, not membership organizations or any one particular politician. Not that the ownership situation is helping the overall cause.

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The associated bueracratic cost of the sign is probably greater than the cost of building the pier. (Meetings, legal analysis...etc.)

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The Erie Canal Harbor Development Corporation has pumped a ton of money into site plans, artistic renderings, physical models, 3D models, etc. as part of the plan for Canalside. I assume development of the Outer Harbor will include the same level of graphical depiction and visualization as part of public outreach efforts. However, I am really disappointed in the lack of interpretive signage at the Canalside site. They should have signs all over that contain the graphical elements described above, informing the public of what is planned for the site.

[I feel compelled to point out, as I have in past posts, that I have never seen an actual copy of the plan for Canalside. The ECHDC website has only the Generic Environmental Impact Statement posted (along with all of the graphical elements). I am really interested in seeing the plan as the GEIS does not really convey any of the vision for the project.]

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The sign should be clear about what permit is needed and include contact info for people who want to get a pertmit. And maybe a permit shouldn't even be needed? What dies it accomplish other than a money grab?

There'd be greater accountabilty, at least a little, if the city govt owned that land instead of a state agency. At least then anyone who cared enough could complain to their council member. With the ECHDC, people could call to complain but the bureaucrats there really have very little reason to care what the public thinks about anything.

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