City March 21, 2010 11:20 AM

Which 4 big U.S. cities have fared best in recession?

Which 4 big U.S. cities have fared best in recession?
According to a recent MSNBC post (among various other media outlets), Buffalo is one of the 'Final Four' cities that have remained relatively unscathed throughout the Great Recession. Associated Press disseminated the government report, which attributes the findings to the city's recent diversification in industry. Even though part of why Buffalo and Rochester made it on the list was due to having slower economies before the recession, the report points to alternative growth industries (i.e. medical) and the Canadian dollar (increased cross-border shopping) as reasons for the economic faring.

In coming weeks we'll be running a series on some different ways that Buffalo should be interacting with Canadian cities (and other American cities for that matter). You might remember Richard Florida's theory of the Mega Region? Check out Tor-Buff-Chester from a BRO post back in 2007. How do we continue to capitalize on the Canadian dollar?

When it comes to the Medical District, we can't forget to account for just how much of an impact University at Buffalo's recent investments have made, and that is why the university should be continuing to invest along the Main Street spine that links the waterfront to South Campus (and everything in-between).

If we're going to continue to make strides in a down economy, where else should we be looking? High speed transportation? The green revolution? Waterfront development? Built environment?
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Natural gas! The giant Marcellus natural gas field is on our doorstep. Historically this area played a big role in natural gas innovation. This is from Naturalgas.org:
The first instance of natural gas successfully being stored underground occurred in Weland County, Ontario, Canada, in 1915. This storage facility used a depleted natural gas well that had been reconditioned into a storage field. In the United States, the first storage facility was developed just south of Buffalo, New York.

It is time to play a big role again. Rochester has GMs fuel cell research group. Put the two together and you have unlimited clean, American energy.

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Fracking, the process used to mine the natural gas, is an incredibly harmful process-it rapes the land. NYS has decided to put the drilling on hold, while PA has allowed it to proceed. The number of explosions and contamination of water sources (some of which comes right to NY City) is beyond scary. I recommend you do some serious investigation on the process (and how it has decimated parts of CO and TX where they did fracking) before promoting this. It is NOT "clean". Take a look at www.delawareriverkeeper.org

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I whole-heartedly agree. This Marcellus shale gas "boom" is moving way too fast and there aren't laws in some areas to protect the water supplies. Just watch this newscast out of Pittsburgh and it will send a chill down your spine.

http://www.thepittsburghchannel.com/news/17973811/detail.html

Big business will sugar coat the worst and try to sell it as a good thing. I'm sure our gas bills will be lowered if we buy into this. I would hope after Love Canal this area would have strict water pollution laws.

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The news media in Pittsburgh? No vested interest there...

Look if you think that natural gas extraction is lacking in some way, that is called an opportunity. Buffalo can offer solutions that people working in the Marcellus will pay for. This is how Buffalo can prosper economically from the Marcellus. If several groups do this, then we might have what is called an economy here in Buffalo. It could lead to something called growth.

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"Lacking in some way" does not even come close. It has killed rivers and contaminated large swaths of territories in CO and TX. And, factually, there have been an extreme amount of accidents--feel free to do some digging.

Example of the contamination:

http://coloradoindependent.com/38146/wyo-fracking-contamination-case-eerily-similar-to-colorados-divide-creek-accident

EPA looks deeper into the practice, finally:

http://blog.trinidadco.com/methane-gas-drilling/finally-the-epa-to-study-contamination-from-gas-well-fracking/

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Travelrrr did you even read the example link you posted? Once you get passed the sensationalized headline this is what it says, "The company denied fracking was the cause of methane and benzene seeping into the creek on Lisa Bracken’s property, and the COGCC agreed, disputing the findings of a county consultant, geologist Geoffrey Thyne, who concluded the contamination could be connected and required more study." The COGCC is a division of the Colorado department of Natural Resources. Companies have been fracking in Colorado for decades; they know what they are looking at. So you have the company saying it wasn't fracking, the government saying it wasn't fracking and the consultant saying it could be fracking and please give me more money. Kinda weak.

The New York State government is broke, most of the county and municipal governments are broke or close to it. The federal government is broke. This $1 Trillion worth of natural gas won't sit there untouched; hunger tends to focus the mind. Buffalo needs to capitalize on this resource now. We should meet with the companies to set up offices downtown. We need to get our legal firms involved. We need to reduce pollution by replacing our coal plants with natural gas plants. We need to situate pipe manufacturing for gas transport. And finally, we need to work with GM on developing fuel cells.

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I have done research, and those are scare stories, not facts. The fracking happens way below the water table in upstate NY so even if they didn't retrieve the water and filter onsite like they do now, it wouldn't contaminate the water table. It is clean, and much, much cleaner than our main electricity source now which is coal.

And by the way, can we please stop name-dropping New York City or caring what they think? They have messed up the state and the country enough as it is. Buffalo should look out for Buffalo. No one is looking out for us....

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is it the same research that led you to use the phrase 'unlimited' energy?

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It is unlimited for all intents and purposes. By the time it runs out (~100 years), there will be another technology or resource. Great contribution to the discussion though.

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"It is unlimited for all intents and purposes. By the time it runs out(~100 years)there will be another technology or resource"

This is naive at best or just plain selfish. We continue to consume greater quantities of our limited natural resources pretending technology will save the day. So far technology has not been able to keep up with demand and 100 years from now the demands will be far greater.

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thats for sure. the energy diet of the future will be one of serious reduction compared to today. no burning a gallon of gas to get a gallon of milk. no cheap plastic crap from china. no casual commuting by air to work in another city every week.

but to get back on topic: when was the last time buffalo appeared at the top of anyone's "best economy" lists? 80 years ago? this is a great story!

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its a very difficult concept, but TECHNOLOGY is not ENERGY. technology runs on energy. tech can help use energy more efficiently, but even that process requires a huge investment on the front end, and often the return on investment is negligible (nuclear reactors can take a decade of adjustments and investments to achieve the energy returns of a wood fired stove of equal size). your example of fuel cells illustrates this- fuel cells can't be built with fuel cells. not only do they need oil for the materials to be gathered and shipped, they require ovens that achieve extremely high temps to refine the ingredients. also, any further widespread shift to natural gas will show how fast those reserves become depleted (faster than Hubbard's peak oil curve). our way of life is playing out like an algae bloom right now, and the best way forward is simply to use less.

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How does Buffalo capitalize?

Well Buffalo is an incredible city that has great potential as we all know. There are many things we have done correctly such as:
1) Buffalo has a national and global recognition for food. Not 5 star michelin or zagats but good food and we have stepped forward franchising chicken wings, taste of buffalo, etc.
2) Buffalo has a national and global recognition for the arts and crafts and skilled trades where we have stepped forward with the Roycroft Campus, A-K, B-P, etc.
3) Buffalo has a national and global recognition for architecture but we came late (lost far to many critical buildings that branded our city) and still dont have a cohesive agenda to preserve/rebuilt (nor discussion on modern/contemporary architecture in Buffalo) what we have as the Richardson, AM&As, Graystone, Lafayette and Statler all currently languish...only Canalside shows commitment to reconstruct the canals
4) Buffalo has a national and global reputation on par with Boston, Philly, DC, Charleston but there are still large swaths of Buffalo history that are completely untold and unemplored as cultural and tourism venues such as PanAm and war of 1812.

So where must Buffalo go beyond what I mentioned above already started
1) stop depending on only 1 research center for excellence. Rochester adds 1 every couple years.Buffalo should be planning for its 2nd and 3rd and 4th off campus research center.
2) Can anyone say 450k sqft convention and conference center
3) Quality of life! You simply cannot attract employers to cities where they drive down denuded streets devoid of trees and where they need to Tie Rods and Ball Joints every 100 feet of driving. Buffalo fix your water mains, sewars, streets, curbs, sidwalks, trees, street lights. Clean your gutters and paint your home.
4) group all our local colleges together into a consortium so there are less generic degrees and less competition so kids dont need training and arent forced to leave.
5) group all our local business together into a consortium so where business can expand their employment base into areas where its tough to bring top talent to Buffalo.

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Great ideas, Destiny.

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Thank you for yet another Chris69 standard comment. All that is missing are the CAPS and bigotry.

Buffalo has beeen in a "great recession" since 1950. The rest of the nation simply caught up last year.

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Interacting with Canada is a fantastic idea. I mentioned to other groups and seem to fall on deaf ears. Is Buffalo/suburbs wireless? Another big area to explore is technology/information technology. How technology driven is Buffalo? Are we Wifi? Thanks and let me know if I can help.

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In Austin, public and open wifi is far more prevalent than here in Buffalo; all of downtown is covered by a public wifi system, and wifi is almost universal in shopping centers, restaurants, coffee houses and even bars. In Buffalo, even in areas like Elmwood Village, open wifi can be hard to find.

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Big deal. So there are more people lost in conversation with their laptops. There's nothing like a city full of people not looking at each other.

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All this really means is that Buffalo is closer to the bedrock than many other cities. It's going to be a slow, painful recovery and I wonder how well Buffalo can participate on any upside when all of the laws in NYS make it clear that this is the worst place to invest and create jobs.

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Destiny,

Some of the points to capitalize on are great cultural assets, like architecture and history but the reality of how the world really works, and what Buffalo has missed for the last 80 years, is that it has to change with the times. Your points about what to capitalize on, some good, some flat out wrong (convention centers are proven sinkholes, even more so in moderate and cold climates), don’t address the one, singular glaring thing this region lacks… leadership and will.

The current cast of do-nothings and placeholders for the next generation of do-nothings are career politicians who only care about getting re-elected. The Browns, Hoyts, Stachowskis, Fontanas, Fronczaks, Schmmingers have done absolutely zero in the way of progressive, move-it-forward decision-making critical to the success of other regions and so lacking in this one.

It’s a rather simple economic concept to understand, and BRO seems to be heavily culturally-bent (Let’s have pretty streets and everything will be swell) and not understanding, or even considerate, of the fact that the political and business climate is what will determine the quality of a region. If we can all agree that things were better when we were growing, when the mills and plants were cranking and everyone was employed, than we can then agree that until we return to an era of growing businesses and employment, we’ll continue to decline.

So who ensures the business climate is one outside firms will invest in? The people everyone elects to look out for themselves! The system here is our biggest obstacle, and as Rod Watson alluded to this week, by proxy, those who elect these same buffoons are also the problem.

Why isn’t this region at the forefront of the so-called green/sustainability economy? We’re at the site of the largest freshwater reserves in the world. We have immense energy resources, both in use and potentially developable (wind essentially). We have vast areas of arable land for local agriculture. We have all the variables necessary to be successful in the green economy, to go along with the cultural, educational and social aspects. And by the way, these cultural, education al and social things we love to say are so wonderful aren't unique to this place. If it were, and that matter as much as people would loike you to think they do, we'd be overflowing with people. They don't matter as much as jobs, sorry. Name any city that consistently gets rave reviews for those things and we're no better and are wrse off jobs wise (both the number and types of jobs).

What we don’t have are leaders and champions of that future. Small groups can make small strides on a small scale. We need real political will and change that supports the progress, not puts obstacles in the way.

We’ve beat the “great things about Buffalo” debate to death.

When does the public discourse turn to the real problems?

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I respectfully disagree on the convention center but that is ok. The biggest priority right now for the convention center is to get it out of the core of downtown and if its going to relocate then it should be a regional asset. If Buffalo doesnt get a new convention center and hotel built before the Buffalo Seneca Creek Casino...well...the Senecas will be glad to open their tax free hotel and banquet rooms for such a purpose.

Nuff Said there.

The second part I think you and I are on the same page just different perspectives. If you know of anyway to get the County and City and unions and political parties and albany on the same page then you found a miracle. If you found a way to get Albany to give Buffalo its due or place the taxpayer above the unions, then you found a miracle.

Which is why I see the power coming from the CTRC, CRTC, Riverkeepers, urban farms, Olmsted Parks and creating strong consortiums for grouping education, business, etc together in ways that are strong enough to balance existing power structures. This is why the Control Boards were actually a blessing in providing that balance but it shouldnt take a control board to bring the community leaders of education, industry and non-profits out of their offices and into the voice of civics.

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bfalling>"The current cast of do-nothings and placeholders for the next generation of do-nothings are career politicians who only care about getting re-elected. The Browns, Hoyts, Stachowskis, Fontanas, Fronczaks, Schmmingers..."

I agree with you they care most about their own political careers, but many of them seem to care about public policy yoo.

Unfortunately, their ideology is often misguided so when they "do something" they think will be good for the area it can turn out harmful. For example, the crazy high spending growth in NY state budgets. There isn't anything we can do about it, because most voters here have the same ideology as those guys and favor the big spending, etc.

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I still say that the best thing about Buffalo and Niagara Falls is that we do pretty much have unlimited energy. As long as Lake Erie keeps flowing into Lake Ontario, those turbines at Niagara Falls will keep turning and generating electric power. And it's a sizeable amount of power too (that we probably give away way too cheaply to the rest of the state). And as the majority of the rest of the country struggles in the future to meet their increasing energy demands, especially in a clean, green manner, we can just sit back and watch the Bills lose and the Niagara Falls power just keeps on humming (I'm simplfying a bit, but you get the point). Now all we need to do is add some more wind power, and also add in the natural gas which seems pretty plentiful when we figure out how to best extract it, and BAM, you have yourself a pretty dang secure and clean energy future for this area. What can you say for other cities like Las Vegas, Phoenix or Dallas?

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Nice to know we're still considered big!

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I think Buffalo would be foolish not to at least attempt to lead this century's green revolution. The "green" movement has moved past its orginal purpose of saving the environment and conserving energy. It's now evolved into a beleif, a mindset and a way of life. Green makes us feel better for living more responsibly, and saving when we can. Green encourages us to find a simpler, more efficient way to do something. Green is a big, big idea that seems to only be getting bigger.

I feel the need to mention this because it presents a unique situation. What other economic industry has this much power behind it? When has banking, manufacturing or medicine motivated mass society to live and think differently? The green revolution represents more than just an industry which can create jobs and stimulate an economy. It also represents a much bigger idea that more and more people want to become a part of.

With the steady increase in green demand and popularity, there is sure to be a city or region to emerge at the center for the green revolution- much like NYC for finance, Detroit for automobiles and the Silicon Valley for technology. That city is going to benefit tremendously not only from the jobs it creates, but also from the position it will have earned as a major leader in the 21st century.

It sounds somewhat crazy to suggest Buffalo can or will be this city, but it holds many advantages over other cities in the USA. Although it's talked about a lot, I think the power and opportunities of the green revolution are not fully recognized by many people. And with so much to gain, why wouldn't Buffalo pursue this opportunity more aggressively?

"If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got."

Any thoughts on this?

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seems odd no one else mentioned UB, is it really all they say it will be , did ANYONE read Artvoice? see http://artvoice.com/issues/v10n13/the_great_UB_heist#SlideFrame_0see

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