Real Estate March 19, 2010 11:15 AM

Reduced: Potential Rehab Projects on Main

Reduced: Potential Rehab Projects on Main

Looking to own a piece of Main Street in the heart of downtown and potentially take advantage of historic preservation tax credits? Two of Hunt Commercial agent Chris Malachowski's listings in the 400 and 500 blocks of Main Street have newly reduced prices.

537 Main Street, a three-story historic building facing Roosevelt Plaza and the Hyatt Regency hotel, has been reduced from $360,000 to $295,000.  It was the long-time home of an Arby's and most recently Grever's Florist.  The 7,000 sq.ft. building has 2,275 sq.ft. of ground floor space.  The property owner has decided to sell rather than carry out a renovation project.  A $50,000 grant obtained through National Grid for renovation work is available to a new owner.

The strategically located building is near Roger Trettel's Cornucopia redevelopment project at 523 Main.  Cornucopia will feature a mix of retail, commercial loft and residential space.  It will be anchored by the Golden Cup CafĂ©.  Trettel's pioneering project will be reviewed by the Planning Board on Tuesday.

newmain.jpgCloser to Lafayette Square, 472 Main Street/283 Pearl Street, located on the west side of Main between the former Courtyard Mall and former Hens & Kelly's Department Store, have been reduced in price from $480,000 to $425,000.  The connected buildings offer a total of 40,000 sq.ft. of space.  

Upper floors facing Main have amazing terra cotta detailing, though a previous 'remodeling' didn't do the building's lower facade any favors. Sizes for All and Royal Photo Lab occupied the ground floor for some time. The first floor space now has the Downtown Food Mart and Fashion Express as tenants (thank you urbanboarder).  Upper floors are ideal for conversion to office or residential space.

Get Connected: Chris Malachowski, 716.880.1914

 

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Good luck with selling or redeveloping the buildings near the former Courtyard Mall. Paladino shot himself in the foot when he chose to lease the ground floor to the NY Probation/Parole Department. Now you see all sorts of bums hanging out in front of that building and the former Baker shoes next door waiting to meet with their PO. There may also be a holding cell. At least when they used to be in the Donovan Building they were outside of the CBD now they are in the heart of it. I remember reading a quote from Paladino in the News or Business First where he complained about the eyesores of the 500 block opposite his LL Berger rehab. Pennywise and pound foolish! A little further down are the overly aggressive panhandlers in front of CVS. This block has many interesting building but badly needs to be cleaned up.

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I hate walking past the former Courtyard Mall. You're right, it just has all the strangest charactors downtown from CVS right to THIS Building standing in front begging for change, yelling at the girls, creeping around the doorways and the Lafayette Station harrasing people getting on and off the train. THIS makes a bad impression to anyone coming downtown, THIS is the block that makes all of Buffalo look GHETTO. I want to see Mayor Urker WALK this block at least once during his term too see that we have a problem on Main Street. I want to see the COPS get out of their cars and WALK Main Street for a change. True, you may see them standing around Fountain Plaza when school lets out, but what about Main & Court? the 400 Block??? This is where the CRAZIES hang out (Kids and Adults).

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It's a shame that Paladino was allowed to put the Probation office on Main Street. He was only thinking about himself.

And he wants to run for governor?

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Do you seriously think that's how it works? You think the state government said to Palaidino "Hey Carl, you decide where the parole office should be - it's all up to you!" ?

He didn't "put" it anywhere. The state could have put it anywhere they want. Some day they could decide to move it if they want.

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while paladino doesn't have a say in where the parole office would go, he reached out to the state about the site and agreed to lease it to them. at the same time, he has the nerve to complain about the state of other commercial uses around his belasario apartments. he's a complete joke and is a part of the culture of poor decisions that run this town.

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No doubt more than one potential landlord in Buffalo with vacant space "reached out" to the state govt after they closed the Donovan Bldg as part of their Canal Side mess.

It was the state govt alone who decided where to "put" any functions they moved. Paladino didn't "put" the parole office on Main St as hamp accused. The state did. If anyone wants it moved, maybe they should complain to Hoyt and other state officials who have some influence on the parole department's budget.

If Paladino complains about other uses around there as you say he does, then yes those complaints are hypocritical considering the parole office.

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These two tenants no longer occupy the space next to former Courtyard Mall.."Sizes for All and Royal Photo Lab have occupied the ground floor for some time"

Royal Photo Lab is now the Downtown Food Mart, and the Sizes for All is still a discount clothing retailer, but the name has changed.

Also, that stretch from former Mohawk Street all the way to Court has Erie County Social Services as well as HEAP office there as well. "Bums" that you think are at Parole may very well be going to one of those buildings instead.

Baker Shoe is starting construction in the next coming months, at least that awful plywood will be off the front facade. As for Parole, I walk past this address everyday, I see more panhandlers at the CVS and down by ECSS and HEAP than here. Also, don't forget the Lafayette Station is right here.

Let's also not forget we are in the CBD of one of the poorest American cities. What do you expect a Banana Republic?

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The bums, I mean convicted felons, are standing right out front of or leaning against the Baker Shoe and Probation Department, not over by ECSS or HEAP.

Justifying the location of the Probation Department in the CBD on Buffalo's economic status is a weak argument. While I'm not expecting a high price point national retailer, I don't think it takes a rocket scientist to realize that you don't want a place in your CBD where ex-cons have to report. Guess Carl would have no problem if the former Chinese retaurant next to LL Bergers was turned into a methadone clinic or developed to provide temporary housing now that the Lafayette Hotel is closing.

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Those bums have always stood there, you act as if they just appeared one day, once Parole came. Sure they may be hanging around the building, but they are the same class of bums that stand in front of Tim Hortons, CVS, Rite Aid, HEAP and ECSS. That whole general vicinity is bums. Do you see any business class conversing? No. That's because they have no business over there.

That building is better off now than at any other time in the past 10 years. Parole is not the only tenant in that building either. What else would fit in that space, given the overall use of land on that side of the block? What would you prefer be in there - I am curious? What would work?

Parole's location there was not up to Carl, that is where NYS decided to put their office, for their own reasons, as 'whatever' commented. They have a lease. When that lease is up, they may move. It makes sense that they did locate there. There is public transit at the doorstep via the LRRT and bus routes on the corner. Within the CBD you have City Court, COB Police HQ, EC Holding Center, etc. Where do you want it to be?

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Let me get this straight, you're actually endorsing a parole Office as a good thing?

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Not at all, but this block has had problems long before Parole came in. It fits there. I can't see what else would. Do you have any suggestions?

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I suppose a parole office would fit in at the Boulevard Mall too. Even though the area had preexisting problems it's not going to improve with the PO there.

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There have been panhandlers outside CVS and to a lesser extent outside Tim Hortons but you act like convicted felons have always been hanging out in front of the Courtyard Mall building when that's simply not true. Maybe some of those panhandlers are convicted felons maybe they're simply homeless. However, people coming to the Courtyard Mall building are unquestionably convicted felons. Previously, the ex-cons were reporting to the Donovan Building. Keep trying to spin it, but you've now created a location in the CBD where convicted felons have to come.

Relying on "Whatever" for support is misplaced since he/she didn't even grasp the point "hamp" was making. The state didn't take the Courtyard Mall by eminent domain, so the Probation Department only came to the Courtyard Mall because Paladino was willing to redevelop and rent the space.

Of course the access to that location is better than the Donovan Building, it's the CBD. By that token, a jail and landfill might be good use of that land as well since it is centrally and conveniently located. However, neither the Probation Department nor a jail/landfill are good uses for this space. IMO the cost far outweighs the benefit to everyone other than Paladino. Find a spot again on the fringe of the CBD and move it there. Maybe move it over to Oak/Elm where there is a lot of traffic and isn't inviting to mill around (unlike Main Street that was designed to attract people to stay).

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I generally do not disagree with your last post; perhaps a better location is on the fringe of the CBD.

Convicted felons have been hanging out downtown and along Main Street for many years. This is not a new phenomenon. How do you know the difference from a convicted felon and an unemployed person hanging out who just applied for HEAP, and is waiting to head to the Rath Building, once the line dies down?

The homeless (which an overwhelming percentage are Veterans) are the main panhandlers - I agree.

Addressing your comment earlier about a methodone clinic being at the former Chinese restaurant. ADS is another tenant in Courtyard. Its an addictions services center. That answers your question if Carl would have a problem with a clinic being there. So those people could be convicted felon drug addicts waiting to get their next fix from the average unemployed guy who just came from HEAP...get my drift? You don't truly know the destination of every person hanging out in front of there. Most parolees are in and out, as they are trying to stay out of jail. That block has been shady since I went to high school at Hutch Tech last decade, and there was no Parole office there then.

I am still waiting for some suggestions as to what you think would work in this space, given the surrounding land uses? Landfill? Really?

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I wasn't serious when I mention jail or landfill for that location. I was just making a point that simply because a location is convenient for a particular purpose doesn't make it its best use (for anyone other than the owner).

As far as your question about what to put there, I'm not sure. I'm not in the development game. According to the city's records, Paladino bought that property no later than 2002. That must have been well before the Probation Department would have even considered relocating from the Donovan Building. Prior to landing the Probation Department, Paladino had floated the idea of mixed use (residential/commercial) for the Courtyard Mall and Baker Shoes. For these smaller properties, that seems to be the best way to make them work. There are small signs of new life popping up on the 500 block - Trettel's Cornucopia discussed in this posting and Brodo. Give the number of buildings for sale on that block, I bet it's no coincidence that both are on the opposite side of the Probation Department.

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I generally do not disagree with your last post; perhaps a better location is on the fringe of the CBD.

Convicted felons have been hanging out downtown and along Main Street for many years. This is not a new phenomenon. How do you know the difference from a convicted felon and an unemployed person hanging out who just applied for HEAP, and is waiting to head to the Rath Building, once the line dies down?

The homeless (which an overwhelming percentage are Veterans) are the main panhandlers - I agree.

Addressing your comment earlier about a methodone clinic being at the former Chinese restaurant. ADS is another tenant in Courtyard. Its an addictions services center. That answers your question if Carl would have a problem with a clinic being there. So those people could be convicted felon drug addicts waiting to get their next fix from the average unemployed guy who just came from HEAP...get my drift? You don't truly know the destination of every person hanging out in front of there. Most parolees are in and out, as they are trying to stay out of jail. That block has been shady since I went to high school at Hutch Tech last decade, and there was no Parole office there then.

I am still waiting for some suggestions as to what you think would work in this space, given the surrounding land uses? Landfill? Really? Those are usually in undesirable areas, near industrial uses. That does not even make sense, I know you are trying to say Parole is just as bad, but Parole does not stray from the other land uses on the block.

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I'd like to see Ikea go in there.

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Oh gosh that's funny. That's really funny. Do you write your own material? Do you? Because that is so fresh.

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Thanks you just ruined my weekend, I'm an aspiring comedian so you killed my dream. I'll write in lawyer speak from now on.

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IKEA?


Their stuff is too complicated. I once bought a
do-it-yourself shelf unit "kit" from them and when we were done we had an "original" style waterbed in the dining room -with enough nuts and bolts left over to open a hardware store.

"For Sale" one waterbed.
Free - you move.

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Kids should start acting like these storefronts are open to the public. Nobody is anywhere near this part of town after 8pm, and the whole area would be great for really, really loud music. Just rent a power generator and crank up your amps man.

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I surprised that the buildings are still there.

I also wonder if there is anything under the signage that was added that could be removed and restored.

Its so easy to forget how much energy and life was once on our downtown streets.

Is there any news on whats happening to that building next to the Red Jacket on Main Street since the city committed to saving the facade?

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RE: Bums/convicted felons

I recently took a trip to Las Vegas. While there, I got to shop at some cool stores that (at least as far as I know) don't exist here like Hermes and Paul Smith. On my way in and out of those stores (at the brand new, still under construction City Center) I was repeatedly asked for money and verbally accosted by some guy who spit while he talked an tried to get me to buy his tickets for David Blaine or some other garbage. I walk up and down Elmwood every weekend and I go downtown every weekday. The only other place I have been so aggressively pan-handled is New York City, where I grew up (and imagine being pan-handled on a subway car where you can't even run away! Imagine if Buffalo's bums figured out that tactic - OMFG we might as well just kill ourselves now!) So, anyway, anyone who thinks that bums in Buffalo are either 1) an impediment to upscale retail, or 2) overly aggressive, just lacks perspective.


In fact, just this morning I was "accosted" outside of he Wilson Farms at Elmwood and Summer by a "bum" who took time away from talking to himself to tell me that I looked nice and then told me to "have a nice day" as I walked past him. You can't make that sh.t up.

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Did'nt 'Agressive Panhandling' become ILLEGAL not too long ago???? Then WHY don't we ever see Cops WALKING on this stretch of Main Street to enforce it?????? I too, hate walking down this block sometimes, it's like EVERY (FORMER) STOREFRONT has at least one 'Bum' begging for change...No wonder suburban people don't do downtown. Can you blame them?

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Why is it that people who have never invested a penny of their own money are the first to criticize any developer who takes the risk on buildings which have sat dormant for decades? When a building is occupied, even by an agency like parole, it's deterioration is placed on hold. The worst thing for a building is to sit empty, with no heat for any length of time. This has contributed to the demise of many of our fine historic structures.

If a miracle were to happen, and Buffalo made a comeback These very buildings will be part of the allure.

Thank you Carl Paladino for having faith if Buffalo.

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Our objective to this is....'If you're going to invest, DO IT RIGHT!!!'. We are sick of mediocre, blank walls, low end looking buildings. We want to scream 'WOW' after something is renovated or built from scratch. A parole office next to a HEAP, HUD, and what ever that place is now at the corner of Main & W.Mohawk for income fixing? is just UGLY, attracts low life/creepy people and it does'nt change the block to good at all. IF I had the money to invest, I would give ALL of the 300, 400 AND 500 Block of Main Street a COMPLETE MAKEOVER with UPSCALE retailers, restaurants, and LUXURY Living and CLASS A OFFICES. THAT will dramatically change the image of Main St. and Downtown as a whole. Yeah, we know Buffalo is the 3rd. poorest city, blah, blah, blah, BUT, we if want to change that Image, let's bring back the people with $$$$ back downtown instead of investing for the poor and the homeless who only scare average people away from Downtown.

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If you want something done right, sometimes you just have to do it yourself.

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I give up. What does CBD stand for?

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Central business district.

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Thanks - I just figured that out.

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