City March 3, 2010 4:00 PM

Front Park to Be Restored, Possible Tunnel to I-190

Front Park to Be Restored, Possible Tunnel to I-190
Representatives of the Olmsted Parks Conservancy were happy today with an announcement from Congressman Brian Higgins that Front Park would be restored to its historic beauty.  Part of the project will involve making a tunnel for cars and trucks to pass through (from plaza to roadway) where the southbound I-190 entrance ramp now exists.

Higgins says that the tunnel will cost $20 million more than a new elevated ramp, but that the difference can be made up in $25 million in Federal Highway that was earmarked for Peace Bridge community enhancements. Of the entire $750 million Peace Bridge expansion project, Higgins says he looks forward to the "thousands of jobs" this will create for the construction trades, and that the Public Bridge Authority is close to final approval from the Federal Highway Administration.  

Higgins reiterated from earlier speeches concerning the bridge project and its environs that the flow of goods and commerce would be restored.  Once again, he said, "It's not about trucks, it's about people."  When asked, he said he believes that the state of the homes in the Peace Bridge community that will come down for the truck plaza are "borderline" and that their removal will enhance the homes that will be left.  He said limiting the size of the truck plaza is not being considered because he believes it will be another component in moving traffic more quickly.

When suggested that the plaza would be a site for a larger duty free store that Americans would not benefit from, and that the 3-story parking ramp might be excessive, Higgins again said that with the restoration of the park, and the elimination of Baird Drive and the homes, would enhance the neighborhood for those homes left.  He also said that moving traffic further away from those homes would eleviate the high incidence of asthma in proximity to the plaza, just as it had on the Fort Erie side of the bridge.  When asked if there were statistics to back that up, Higgins suggested that Public Bridge Authority General Manager Ron Rienas might have that data, but Rienas had already left the press conference.

Speaking for the Conservancy, board chairman David Colligan said that when Baird Drive is removed, the historic grand entrance to the park is restored, and the vegetative screen goes up where a wall was previously planned, the park will fit in better with Fredrick Law Olmsted's vision from 1868, when the park was designed.  

Olmsted Conservancy CEO Thomas Herrera-Mishler said he hopes to see Front Park become a gateway to Buffalo's cultural community.  The offer of a tunnel seems to be the trump card that reversed Olmsted from their original opposition, when all that was offered were berms and a re-greened Baird Drive.

An initial study of the proposed tunnel by the Department of Transportation has called the tunnel feasible, while it also recommends against it (see this Buffalo News story and this one on YNN).  

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Image: (L to R): Congressman Chris Lee, PBA Chair Ken Schoetz, Congressman Brian Higgins, Olmsted Parks Conservancy Chair David Colligan, Olmsted Parks Conservancy CEO Thomas Herrera-Mishler




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Higgy is right. I wish the PBA would demolish the rest of my neighborhood, that he deems "borderline" so that my home can be "enhanced" with a semi-truck racetrack. We should all be so lucky.

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I find myself agreeing with both you and steel. Either I need to reconsider, or this plaza really is the stupidest f*cking idea imaginable.

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Its the stupidest idea ever. We dont have to disagree on everything.

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Are you as dizzied as I am by the plaza design? Between highways, ramps, streets, etc. there are more than 12 lanes of traffic. The system is not intuitive, both as it exists now and as it is planned. This is a traffic nightmare. There is bridge traffic, highway traffic, local traffic, bicycle/pedestrian traffic, a rail line, overpasses, underpasses, tunnels, etc. Some issues that have always confounded me: there is a road from that small pumping station just north of the Peace Bridge that connects to the 190 South off ramp - I have never seen a single car using it (on a side note, they had talked about turning that open space north of the rowing club into parkland – removing this road would really increase the acreage and the Riverwalk trail runs right along it); I have always thought that it would make more sense to have a full interchange at Porter for local traffic accessing the 190 to/from all directions - the idea of getting on the 190 South from Busti or exiting the 190 North to Busti has never made much sense to me. There really ought to be separate routes for bridge traffic and local traffic. I’m envisioning highway bridge traffic interchanges to the west of the site, local bridge traffic access from the north of the site, and highway/local traffic (no bridge access) south of the site. The way the design is now, there is too much intermingling of bridge traffic and local traffic. If I didn’t know the area and was heading north on the 190 and needed to get off in that area, I’d find myself competing with semi-trailers and thinking that I was on a one-way road to Canada. I think part of the problem is that the current plaza design is REALLY screwed up and they are trying to work within the parameters of the existing system instead of re-thinking what the most efficient system would be.

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what's the point of a park if no one lives around it?

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What are parks anymore? "Grace notes" to garnish the plate of typical bad developments concieved by typically bad actors.

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"Moving the traffic away from the homes" = removing the homes, to these people. Heck, they should demolish every building all the way to Delaware, and make a real dent in asthma.

$750million and counting ... one bridge is now more expensive than the entire subway.

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Buffalo is leading the way in providing the highest level accommodations for 20th century transportation methods. Buffalo's huge new waterfront truck parking lot will be the envy of the nation

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not to mention that oil is over $80 again.

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All the more need to park trucks

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Why not put the Truck Plaza in CANADA????? They have the empty land already available. I don't support this if it means knocking down an entire community of wonderful old homes and displaying many people.

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Because both the Bush and Obama administrations have said no to this.

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We have a duty to help preserve their vacant lots.

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Has anyone who wants to save the houses on the demo list looked into the cost of moving those structures?

IF, and it is a big IF, a tunnel is used, one could assume that the land South of Busti, East of Porter, North of 4th and West of Jersey would increase in value.

Why not try to find a why to move the homes on the demo list to East of the Park? With the move provide some funding for street and sidewalk improvements, landscaping and what not. Depending on where they start the tunnel on the East end of the 190, some of these lots could have an great view of the Lake, which one could consider an improvement from the current view of the plaza.

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Because your idea makes too much sense. And it would make one less thing to complain about

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Your missing the point, the homes predate the Peace Bridge, the onus should not be on the neighborhood to save itself from the Peace Bridge Authority. The Peace Bridge is the new neighbor that has proved rude and intrusive, they have no right to , devalue, and pollute this neighborhood.

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So what you are saying is it simply is a matter of who was there first?

The reason I ask is Front Park opened in the 1870's, so by your logic, any home built after 1880 should take a back seat to preservation of the park...which the tunnel is trying to do.

Also, the Peace Bridge opened in 1927, so any home built after 1927 should also take a back seat to both the Peace Bridge expansion AND the Front Park restoration...right?

Don't get me wrong, there are some majestic homes on the demo list. But to be fair, there are some homes that are nice but nothing of significance to those who do not own them.

The best solution would be build the tunnel AND move the plaza to the Canadian side.

Since the current and last administration has said no to the shared boarder, you have to go to the next option.

Let me ask a hypothetical...

Now that a tunnel is in discussion, I could see a different, less intrusive layout working.

Would you be opposed to having just the homes West of Vermont, East of Massachusetts, South of Columbus Pkwy going and leaving everything North intact?

This would be only 16 homes and a series of recent build townhouses going down?

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What I am saying is diesel truck plazas are not compatible with densely populated residential neighborhoods.
btw- I doubt many of the homes in the area were built after 1927, this area was fully developed by the turn of the century, there could be a couple but they would be the exception.
We need to put the health and welfare of our citizens ahead of the profits of the Peace Bridge Authority, this is all about the lucrative truck tolls, nothing more. There is very little evidence routing trucks through our city brings any benefit, we need to stop sacrificing our city for the supposed good of the region.

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LOL! A tunnel? When hell freezes over.

Talk, Talk, Talk.... That's all we get around here.
Elephant talk!

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(The tunnel of which they speak is only to replace one ramp, not in place of a new bridge)

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Yes, I know that. I still think hell will freeze over first before a tunnel is built to replace that ramp.

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is that a king crimson reference?

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Yes, King Crimson.

Talk, it's only talk
Arguments, agreements, advice, answers,
Articulate announcements
It's only talk
Talk, it's only talk
Babble, burble, banter, bicker bicker bicker
Brouhaha, boulderdash, ballyhoo
It's only talk

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Could the Olmsted-Conservancy state their position on the demolition of the neighborhood homes for the new truck plaza?

This could be a UB-like mistake for the urban landscape of Buffalo.

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I get so frustrated with this guy.

More and more, he reminds me of the mad hatter in Alice in Wonderland (but that might be because of his excessive pin-stripes, and those ties are too flamboyant, even for me).

He'd be quite the character in a show like "The Wire".

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Another Irish scumbag ruining the city so him and his family can attend fancy parties catered by all the transportation companies that benefit from his decisions/influence....

This city makes me physically sick, and it has nothing to do with the steel mills...

Guess it doesn't matter when all the money, power and influence come from the most unhistoric, culturally undiverse and segragated town of Amherst

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What steel mills? The last steel mill left town 15 years ago.

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the heavy metals in the soil and water are hanging around.

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Uncalled for!

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so with your rant, Slobadan, YOU are knocking the Town of Amherst because it isn't "diverse" enough? Seriously? What's the Serb term for 'irony' or 'hypocrite'?

I distrust anyone (such as yourself) who so easily believes the worst of another (such as Higgins). You ascribe Higgins' intentions to transparent personal benefit as opposed to an honest difference of opinion. I often disagree with politicians (and others). But lack of vision doesn't equate to corruption. We don't promote successful problem solving by demonizing our adversaries (not that I've never done that, Republicans).

I, for one, am enthused about this recent wrinkle for this development. As I have stated before, I would enhance the park at the cost of losing some of the neighborhood. If the Peace Bridge expansion project is to go ahead, I would prefer they extend the plaza toward Niagara Street as opposed to encroaching on more of the park. I applaud removing the eyesore of the exit ramp from the vista of the park. On this element of the plan, I applaud Higgins and the Conservancy.

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bini-
you're not just losing some homes in the neighborhood- you're losing the neighborhood. what is the point of a park if no one lives around it? it just turns the area into deactivated, dead space. we should be trying to activate the whole of downtown with livable, attractive, walkable neighborhoods- NOT a truck parking lot.
this is a step backwards.

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Eliminating a few blocks is hardly synonymous with losing an entire neighborhood. Moreover, Front Park hardly serves only the immediate neighbors. A century ago it was Buffalo's premier park, more popular than Delaware Park (primarily due to its waterfront location and elevated views and summertime breezes).

The homes targeted for the expansion of the plaza are among the most ordinary, common and, generally speaking, run down in the area. The more expensive and more difficult to replicate homes near the bridge are, by and large, left intact with an enhanced park as an amenity .

I realize that moving out of one's long time home is distasteful at best, but in the long run Buffalo as a whole will be better served by preserving and restoring this park land than by salvaging these few blocks of very common housing stock. Move the cherished homes within a few blocks if the structures are worthy. Otherwise, take the money from the sales and restore some other run down homes near here.

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"another Irish scumb bag"? Really?? As a thrid generation Irish American that's a pretty offensive way to start a commnet...next will it be dego? spick? polock? or any other STUPID referance? Come on now racism is alive and well it seems!

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Olmsted Conservancy seems to be caving in for a park. Great, but WHAT ABOUT THE HOMES? THE EXTREME POLLUTION? THE STUPIDITY OF THIS PLAN????

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If they can bury the ramp then they can bury some of the trucking plaza to reduce the impact on the Columbus Park neighborhood.

Perhaps by allowing trucks below and cars above

Everyone knows that the Bridge Authority will be amortizing this over 30+ years and the Bridge Authority will be in existence in perpetuity so the fact that it took this long to reach a compromise on is idiotic and stupid.

The 10 years of studies, restudies, cost of inflation associated with delays have an accumulated cost. If costs really mattered and the Bridge Authority were truly competent then they would have offered the tunnel compromise 10 years ago, they would have accepted the Olmsted Compromise 10 years ago, the would accept plan to reduce the size of the plaza....and all the compromises would have been cheaper than the costs of all the accumulated delays which is where we are today.

This isnt a matter of business. Business cares about costs (time and money). This is a matter of incompetent and unaccountable bureaucracies that would rather waste money demanding what they want rather than save money by building what local population and business community needs.

Its the same...albany deciding the fate of the Erie Canal Terminus and buried granite rocks that would explode if exposed to sunlight, air and weather, ...and every other albany dictates (whether from an authority or a state department or agency like the NYSDOT/Thruway Authority)

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The whole idea of ramming a diesel truck plaza into the heart of a residential neighborhood is just plain wrong. When an international bridge to Grand Island was proposed the public outcry was overwhelming with dire warnings of health issues and environmental concerns.

Why are West Side residents supposed to roll over and accept this more serious threat to their well being? Are city residents seen as of less value and their children as in less need of protection from air pollution?

Why are we allowing a focal point of our city and waterfront to be sold out to enable an outdated and heavy polluting transportation method?

Again- Diesel truck plaza's are not compatible with densely populated neighborhoods, exposing residents to the well documented threat of diesel exhaust is unconscionable.

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So where is the unified opposition? Where is the non-profit that is going to fight this expansion? When are the weekly meetings, the pickets, the advertising campaigns? Weekly comments on public websites and a few people during the occasional town hall meeting are not sufficient to make change in this day and age.

Grand Island came out in force against the bridge, the entire West side has not shown an equal response.

If you want change, then make it happen. Get the public momentum behind you, get the Wendt foundation or some influential lawyers on board a la Casino opposition.

A brief google search for "Peace Bridge Expansion Opposition" reveals nothing but a few references to BRO and Artvoice. The first entry should be the "Citizens for Columbus Park" or "Citizens against Peace Bridge sprawl". If similar groups exist, then let's get them engaged in increasing public awareness.

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I think the neighborhood is suffering from battle fatigue, years of fighting a "public authority" can be draining. The PBA is much like the IRS, relentless and uncaring.

When the Ambassador proposed a trucks only bridge here in Black Rock they were taken off guard by the outpouring of opposition. The public meeting at Post 1041 was standing room only with overwhelming opposition to the project. A few people spoke in favor of the project but it turned out some of them were Ambassador plants. They never recovered their momentum and thankfully have retreated back to Detroit.

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That is a cop out. If this is really as important as you make it out to be, and if the neighborhood is truly concerned, then they will mobilize to fight. They aren't battle fatigued, they sound downright apathetic, which is why they are being steamrolled by the PBA.

If the residents cared, then they would band together to fight against the Peace Bridge plaza; unfortunately they aren't doing that. The same is true with the downgrading of the 198, if we were serious about it, we would be fighting for it.

Buffalo is an apathetic town. It is easier to blame the suburbs, or the government, or the wealthy than to fight for the things that are important. It is too easy to be a victim than to rise above the obstacles in front of us. Too many in Buffalo are waiting for someone else to make things better, and we will continue to blame everyone else for the situation we are in.

Surely there must be someone in the area who is willing to take the lead on fighting against the PBA.

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$750 MILLION to destroy a historic neighborhood and build a bridge and plaza that we don't need or could be built somewhere else! Yet the Statler sits borded up and crumbling. We could restore the Statler, Richardson Complex and Central Terminal for that amount of money.

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And do what with them? Who is going to move into these three buildings without leaving large holes in other buildings?

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Restore the Front and make the Peace Bridge cars only. Build a new bridge in the non-residential area at the foot of Sheridan Drive to carry commercial traffic.

Better yet, mandate rail where possible, trucking is inefficient, polluting, and disrupts the lives of anyone in the vicinity of operation. The true cost to our health, our roads and our quality of life is not included in the equation used by proponents of the industry. We need to start putting people ahead of profit and encouraging developement that is economically and environmentally responsible.

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BRLifer>"Build a new bridge in the non-residential area at the foot of Sheridan Drive to carry commercial traffic."

On maps the river looks about 4x wider near Sheridan than in Buffalo. Maybe that would mean two bridges each nearly same length as the Peace Bridge... one from Canada to Grand Island and one from GI to Tonawanda. Canadians would have to agree to that site, and wouldn't some GI residents oppose it as much as some PB neighbors do (and some Black Rock residents would oppose the IRR site)?

Maybe all that could be done at a GI site, but any location will have opponents. It isn't easy to say which opponents are more important than others. Some people/businesses in Buffalo want more efficient truck traffic to be in Buffalo instead of for example in Lewiston (or Michigan).

I don't know what I'd decide if there were 5 choices (PB site, IRR site, GI, Lewiston, or no new bridge at all in WNY). Probably there's ok arguments for and against each.

We elect people to decide things, and if I'm not mistaken no opponent of a new bridge near the PB has ever been elected to anything ever. True?

A start could be electing at least 1 person who opposes it to some office - mayor, congress, Common Council, State Senate, State Assembly - anything. Even that small step seems unlikely. I don't think even a strong challenger for any office ever opposed a new bridge near the PB. True? Kearns didn't oppose it. (Yes, the guy who couldn't get on the ballot for mayor opposes it - doesn't count.)

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My second paragraph offered a better solution but if we do need a truck plaza it should not be built in a residential area. I think you would not chose to live in the shadow of a diesel truck plaza and recognize the health issues and quality of life issues inherent to such a facility.

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Whatever>A start could be electing at least 1 person who opposes it to some office - mayor, congress, Common Council, State Senate, State Assembly - anything. Even that small step seems unlikely. I don't think even a strong challenger for any office ever opposed a new bridge near the PB. True? Kearns didn't oppose it. (Yes, the guy who couldn't get on the ballot for mayor opposes it - doesn't count.)"

If near universal politician support on the part for a project is your logic for its worthiness than you must now be on board with the near universally politician supported Canal Side.

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pitbull>"If near universal politician support on the part for a project is your logic for its worthiness than you must..."

Reading comprehsion again, pit, or a probelm with logic.

Where did I say anything about the project's worthiness? I didn't. To the contrary, I said I don't know which approach I'd chose if it were up to me:

whatever>"I don't know what I'd decide if there were 5 choices (PB site, IRR site, GI, Lewiston, or no new bridge at all in WNY). Probably there's ok arguments for and against each."

Do you really not understand the difference between pointing something out as reality (universal support of elected officials for bridge expansion in the city) vs. saying it's "logic for its worthiness"?

Apples vs. oranges.

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You opinion is your business but this would not be the first time you tried to pass it off as objective reason. You brought it up again later in the discussion as a reason on why the bridge should not be moved to Grand Island. I am glad to see that you are comfortable with your elected leaders deciding how your tax dollars are spent for you. I guess we wont hear any complaining from you on issues where all politicians are in agreement.


BTW: support for this project is not universal. I cant think of anybody who overtly rails against this project off the top of my head but the Buffalo Common Council voted 9-0 to protect one of the historic homes the PBA plans on demolishing for its truck yard.

http://www.buffalorising.com/2009/10/buffalo-news-takes-a-dim-view-of-historic-house-confuses-bridge-project-with-plaza-project.html

Since it will be tough to build that plaza with that home standing there, Id consider that move in opposition to PBA expansion.

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pitbull>"support for this project is not universal. ... the Buffalo Common Council voted 9-0 to protect one of the historic homes the PBA plans on demolishing for its truck yard"

pit, again careful reading is needed. Every word can make a difference.

What I said is universal among Buffalo's elected officials is wanting an expanded bridge capacity to be in the city of Buffalo (not in G.I. or Lewiston as some have suggested - BRL, you, etc).

A good reader would see that's not the same as saying there's universal support for the plaza plan. I also asked if anyone could think of any I didn't know of (a city official who says bridge expansion should be outside Buffalo like some of you say it should be). I don't see any reply to that.


pitbull>"I am glad to see that you are comfortable with..."

You're imagining words I didn't write if you think I mentioned my comfort or lack of it when discussing political realities with some of the grownups here.


pitbull>"I guess we wont hear any..."

You'll hear (or pretend you hear, LOL!) anything you want no matter what anyone writes!

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This would be a nice continuation of our park system with La Salle nearby. Now we can have two large swatchs of land no one uses unless drug activity is involved and an occasional soccer game. Of course we will all lie to ourselves and say we use it. Watch out for the needles, remember to burn the syringe with a match them before using them again.

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Blackrocklifer gets it! Always has!
I am someone who IS going to loose their home and neighborhood if this project proceeds.
Higgins thinks my house is "borderline" and taking it down will enhance the neighborhood! Our homes are more than just bricks and mortar. My family history in this neighborhood spans six generations and it isn't just in one house.
biniszkiewicz: I'm surprised by your defense of Higgins. Anyone with any sense knows that there would still be construction jobs no matter where the bridge was built. He is rude and arrogant to us and has refused to meet with us in our homes. How would he even know what are homes look like? He doesn't want to know so he won't have a guilty conscience for what he is doing to a great community of people.
Our larger population of people on the West Side have a high incidence of poverty. Ramming this plaza here is a form of environmental racism. If he cared, he wouldn't do this project here. He has only listened to the arguments from the PBA and not the very people he was elected to represent.

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biniszkiewicz: I have no problem preserving the park and no problem with F.L.Olmsted's (not conservancy's) vision.
I also am sickened by your thoughts that a park matters more than the PEOPLE who LIVE in the community. You are like the others who care more about the birds,fish,river, trees and park. Let's take down your house first....for the good of the community!

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I think it is hard for many today to understand the attachment and connection long time residents can have for their home and community. There is a perception of places like the West Side and Black Rock that comes from ignorance and fear. Few seem able to recognize the basic decency of the majority of residents but instead see only the minority of losers and users.
Keep up the fight, it is great to see your pride and commitment to your neighborhood.

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I think you are correct about perceptions. Many people might agree with me that everything is about perception and not substance. Compare the alleged beauty and tranquility of the island to the perceived chaos of the west side neighborhoods. There is no contest under the assumptions you mentioned. Then factor in where the power and special interests lie. If the bridge is going to be built, which area and people are more disposable? It's a no brainer.

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Pegger>"Then factor in where the power and special interests lie."

If that's meant to compare political power of PB neighborhood opponents to Grand Island residents, there's truth to that.

But it might also be that it would have to be a bigger project up in Grand Island (2 bridges instead of 1, etc., and getting Canada to agree to not have the bridge in Ft Erie). So there might be some objective non-political reasons favoring a site near the PB instead of in GI.

It's also a factor that not everyone in Buffalo opposes an additional bridge being here - which might be part of why no Buffalo politicans oppose it either.

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Of course no area or people should be disposable, we must demand such a facility be built in a unpopulated area.

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haha vocal minority spewing their garbage, these comments are all useless, i live a few blocks away i'd love an enhanced front park. thanks

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gotta love this:

"When asked if there were statistics to back that up, Higgins suggested that Public Bridge Authority General Manager Ron Rienas might have that data..."

that rienas guy, what a renaissance man. not only is he a gifted urban planner, transportation expert, and architectural historian, but now he is a proficient health statistician. bet he speaks 14 languages and makes all of his own furniture, too.

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Maybe we'll luck out and they'll find Dioxin at the site.

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watercooler: pretty soon you will live next door to the plaza and you'll be fighting for your property when this new plaza isn't big enough and they seize your home.

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>>Why not put the Truck Plaza in CANADA????? They have the empty land already available. I don't support this if it means knocking down an entire community of wonderful old homes and displaying many people.

>Because both the Bush and Obama administrations have said no to this.

Not a good reason to give up advocating this solution.

As the recession continues, I believe plans for a new bridge will be dropped, since we do not need one. *If* we do need something, it is quicker customs clearance facilities. Preclearance in Canada is the cheapest and most reasonable route. There is some civil service employee union opposition which fires the administrations' positions. I have faith that this will change---unions that can work within new economic realities serve their members well.

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Front Park is a remnant of what it was originally, and cannot be restored without removal of the 190, Navy and Marine Corps Reserve Station, Buff State research facility, and West Side Rowing Club.

Also, Lasalle park is literally right next door. For some reason we think that "more greenspace" and more parks are the answer to all of our problems. I have news for everyone: parkland is infrastructure that requires upkeep ($$). How much parkland do we really need? How much parkland can we really even use? Fewer and fewer residents are paying for more and more parkland.

Let's get rid of Front Park, expand the truck plaza into the park, and save the neigborhood. Put the money set aside for park improvements into improving Lasalle Park (and rename it Front). Lasalle is serving the purpose that Front Park once served anyways, which was supposed to be a waterfront park!

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The serb term for hypocrite IS HIGGINS

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Can someone please point to an international law that states that BUFFALO must have a Duty Free Shop on its waterfront?

Again, with space is at a premium - you do away with such luxuries.

And the fact that Brian Higgins supports the Duty Free Shop smells funny.

PS: Notice there aren't two bridges in the picture above? They will never build a second bridge.

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You got that right atypical! There will be no bridge and probably no tunnel. They'll just take the homes and expand the plaza. We can't afford a new bridge.
The Niagara Falls Commission can handle the trucks and an increase in trucks......send them there. Use the money to hire more customs agents and make the Peace Bridge a passenger vehicle route only.
Interestingly, recent back ups were going into Canada after the holiday weekend. They already have a new plaza in Ft. Erie.......what was the hold up?

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ps: Why no picture of what the view looks like to the right? or from the park across the river? I'd really like to see the scale of the DUTY FREE SHOP and PARKING LOT!

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COME TO FRONT PARK/WATCH OLMSTED CONSERVANCY SELL OUT/SEE BRIAN "HACK" HIGGINS AND HIS FAMOUS TRAVELING PODIUM
--PBA will trade ramp for tunnel, but how to pay for it? Oh, yeah, with funds already dedicated to "neighborhood improvement" (That way we can justify the expense and screw the residents at the same time). But aren't the uses for those funds supposed to be "decided on the grassroots level"? Of course, once you destroy the neighborhood, it'll all be grass anyway!
--Why is Olmsted chairman David Colligan smiling? He plans to open a respirator dispensary in Front Park; expects to make a killing.
--And look into the eyes of Olmsted CEO Herrera-Mishler; he's in mourning, difficult living with this hypocrisy.
--Chris Lee is Higgins' roadie, anxious to breakdown and move the famous podium.
--PBA's Shoetz looks constipated, as usual.
--Higgins proves why he is the perfect confluence of arrogance and ignorance to carry the PBA's water for this visionary 100 plan to justify their existence; and when forced off his script and left speechless, defers to PBA GM Ron "Holy Ghost" Reinas, who had already split, taking Higgins' tongue with him.
--The tunnel is a pistol pointed at the head of the Olmsted Conservancy, but the pistol's not loaded, because it's all a scam. There will be no tunnel. There will be no bridge. What the bridge authority wants is to complete on Buffalo's West Side the concrete maxi-pad they began in Fort Erie. They don't care how long it takes. If fact, they wish it takes forever. They must be stopped.

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sho'nuff wrote: "A brief google search for "Peace Bridge Expansion Opposition" reveals nothing but a few references to BRO and Artvoice. The first entry should be the "Citizens for Columbus Park" or "Citizens against Peace Bridge sprawl". If similar groups exist, then let's get them engaged in increasing public awareness"

just one problem: there is no guarantee that the words you search on are the exact same words that other people used when they uploaded their websites, petitions, videos, etc. english overflows with synonyms and we don't all think, talk, or write alike.

try this:

save Peace Bridge neighborhood

you'll find the sierra club, national trust, and movetheplaza.com.

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I saw those too. There are a few organizations on board, but no real local grass roots effort that is working for change. Right now, most of the action seems to involve posting on BRO and ARTvoice. Where is the protest in front of city hall, the pickets, the publicity campaign?

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Most of us have full time careers and lives that don't just revolve around the Peace Bridge. It takes a lot of time, effort and money to get the campaign out to the public. We don't have a team of a pr firm, lawyers and clerical staff to help us like Higgins and the PBA have. We have reached out to many other organizations, Olmsted Conservancy was one of them. The National Trust for Historic Places has helped us. Anyone who is willing to help support us with resources and ideas we are willing to accept. Artvoice and BRO have given us a voice. The Buffalo News is a waste of our time. There is a paypal link at" www.movetheplaza.com

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Excuses, excuses, excuses!

I think we proved this past weekend what can happen when people put their collective energy together to incite change. Where is that energy around the Peace Bridge?

It is far too easy to say that someone else will do it, or we don't have the right lawyers or enough publicity. Where do you think the lawyers and publicity will come from? They won't volunteer their time unless they have something serious to volunteer for. It doesn't sound like the neighborhood is taking this very seriously at all, in fact it sounds more like you have given up and are just going to voice your objection until the eminent domain check comes in and you can move somewhere else.

If you are serious about it, you will find the time to get a real movement going. Right now, a few anonymous posts on local message boards won't change anything in City Hall or with the PBA.

But yes, I understand, we should donate to "WWW.MOVETHEPLAZA.COM", a site that has not even bothered to update the news links since 2008. Check out the Media Prowl, Peter's Weekly reader section, most of the links to the Buffalo News links are dead.

Great effort guys! Maybe someone else will do it, or you can just blame Grand Island for forcing the bridge on you. They mobilized and look what happened, meanwhile the West Side has just rolled over and presented itself to take whatever is served.

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eam5 said it all, "the people of Grand Island showed up for one public meeting 6 years ago".
They were not required to put much effort in, our society is structured around protecting the rights of middle class communities. Many times this is at the expense of poorer and less politically powerful communities. That's why all the least desirable developement is thrust onto less affluent areas.
It is shameful the way we value some of the most fortunate above others and fail to recognize the hypocrisy of such thinking.

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The people of Grand Island didn't already have the Peace Bridge at their back door. The people of Grand Island also started a law suit, demanded an environmental impact study, and persuaded their local representatives to speak on their behalf. They mobilized quickly, came out in force, and brought all the media with them. I would guess that they would do the same if the proposal to build on Grand Island was revisited, is the same true for Columbus Park and the West Side?

Unfortunately, this is about poverty, and this is also about apathy. If the less fortunate are not concerned about what is being built or expanded in their backyards, then why would anyone else? We need to groundswell, we need the facebook pages, the media campaigns, the monthly protests. This seems to work in Buffalo, just look at the amount of press the Statler has received lately and take a few pages from their playbook.

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OMG! You have no idea what we have been up to. Where have you been with all of your great ideas? I haven't given up, and my neighbors haven't given up either. Where did you ever get that idea? Yeah.....it's an overwhelming cause and job to keep this going. It isn't fair that ordinary citizens have to do this just to keep their home and neighborhood. I still have given up hours and hours of time with my family for this project and will continue to do so. I have taken days off from work to meet people, or work on these issues. We attend neighborhood meetings,meet with lawyers, write tons of letters, stand at press conferences with signs, meet with politicians and support tons of other community groups to network and garner further support. We meet with local media for 10 sec. sound bites that largely end up on the cutting room floor. I could go on and on....... all while working a job that has an enormous responsibility for managing hundreds of people, caring for my ailing parents, nurturing a grandchild and just living my life. I'm not asking for sympathy........just help!
The people of Grand Island showed up for one meeting 6 years ago.....!

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OMG! Your website hasn't been updated in 18 months, how the hell would we know what you have been up to?

It is a fact of life in America that ordinary citizens have to deal with this. The government and developers are not going to change their course unless there is political pressure from the local residents. This is no different than Love Canal, it takes a village to bring justice and change.

You have a job where you manage 100s of people, you should be familiar with leadership and management. Why not build off those strengths instead of trying to do this yourself? Start a 501c3, and bring in a board and steering committee to help see this through.

If you are serious about it, then take it seriously. Right now your group sounds more like a bunch of NIMBY minded obstructionists who are going in a number of directions and grasping at straws. You go from the environmental impact, to the health impact, to the neighborhood impact, to the historical impact, without ever digging deeply into any one of them. The heartbreaking picture of the kid with the nebulizer is great, but it needs to go much farther than that.

You missed a tremendous opportunity yesterday. You should have been feeding Brian Higgins the figures about asthma and health concerns for years. There should be no question marks.

This isn't about Grand Island anymore, this is about Columbus Park and the rest of the West Side.

If you want help, then mobilize to get help. If you need help in mobilizing and leading, then ask for that as well. There are a lot of talented grass roots leaders in Buffalo who may step up to help if asked.

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Looks like people are missing the big picture here... where's the pork? This isn't what the $25 Million in "community enhancements" was allocated for. They were meant to mitigate the effects of the ramps build-out on the neighborhood.

A tunnel doesn't mitigate the effects of the new ramps since the ramps will be on the opposite corner of the site.

From the Buffalo News:
"Peace Bridge officials have not committed to using that money for a tunnel. The authority has previously said decisions about how to spend the community enhancement money should be made at the grassroots level by residents at community meetings."

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The pathetic thing about this sorry episode for Olmsted is that they have sold out to the PBA for a possible tunnel instead of the ramp access. There are no guarantees here and no money either for the increased cost of the tunnel. How many times has that $25 million been promised? It probably doesn't even exist. Sadly, the leaders of the Conservancy have tunnel vision when it comes to this park. The park is a part of the entire community and doesn't exist in a vacuum. I think Olmsted would be saddened by the actions of the Conservancy that bears his name.

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The community has not shown their outrage with this project and do not appear to care about what is being done to the Peace Bridge, their neighborhoods or Front Park.

The park may be part of the entire community, but it will primarily serve those in the immediate vicinity. That local community is painfully silent and apathetic as all of this takes place. The PBA and Conservancy probably have little concern for upsetting the minority of residents who are voicing their objections to this project. The resistance to this project is minor, when compared to other projects that have been changed due to community action and activism.

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No doubt many people are sympathetic but you're right...it doesn't translate into activism on some one else's behalf. How do we generate outrage at what is happening?

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It will need to start with the local residents.

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Wow.

Reading sho'nuff's comments truly show what is wrong with this city. I have no idea whether you support The Man (i.e. PBA) or if you really want to save your city.

I'm a little perplexed by your earlier comment:

"I think we proved this past weekend what can happen when people put their collective energy together to incite change. Where is that energy around the Peace Bridge?"

I'm thinking this has something to do with the Powder Keg thing. This "festival" incited change? What...A bunch of people walking around with cans of beer hoping to take a tubing ride down the skyway? Please correct me if I'm wrong about what you're referring to.

Obviously, you live under a rock if you don't know what the neighbors in the shadow of the Peace Bridge have been up to. There was a lawsuit. We've written letters. We've attended PBA "open houses." We've gotten the support of large local, state, and national organizations.

Oh, and Higgins? He refuses to meet with us. Nice.

What have you done? Sounds like you sit at your computer refreshing BRO articles.

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Go to http://www.movetheplaza.com and see how you can help. Join Homes Near the Peace Bridge on Facebook. Contact Higgins' office. Contact Brown's office.

Just a few ideas.

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The website you mention has not had a substantial update in nearly 2 years. The level of outrage throughout the city is lacking, the show of support from the local community at large is lacking. You may have the support and backng from local, state, and national organizations; however they are not showing up at the press conferences or picketing the PBA for change.

The fact is that this movement is lacking the support from the larger community. The majority of people in the area do not care about the houses in Columbus Park or the impact to the local residents, because you haven't taken it to that level yet.

I brought up the Powder Keg festival because it was a success in creating a 'buzz' in Buffalo, it was a success in eliciting change in our city, it was a success.

The fact that Brian Higgins has not met with you is indicative of how little attention this issue has. He is not worried about losing support because of this project, he knows that he has to worry about a minority of local residents who he can easily dismiss as NIMBY-minded obstructionists to the greater community. It is up to you, and the local community, to change that.

The ad hominen comments were a nice touch and shows just how desperate, amateurish, and relatively immature this movement, and the local leadership, is.

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Interesting comments from sho'nuff. You're right, almost no one over a block from the bridge wants to put an ass on the line; maybe we should offer free beer to elicit our change. I can arrange that.

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An interesting development on the perpetual saga to restore Buffalo's premier "gateway" neighborhood while enhancing regional commerce. However, the footprint of the Plaza remains the same and no less private property is being consumed. Both of which still have the capability to erase many of the potential gains that this 'once in a lifetime' opportunity provides to us. Although progressing, I think this debate is still far from over.

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