Real Estate March 12, 2010 1:05 PM

Canal Side: Late Summer Start Possible

Canal Side: Late Summer Start Possible

Work on Canal Side is expected to start as soon as mid-August.  An update on the Canal Side project was provided at the Erie Canal Harbor Development Corporation's (ECHDC) Board of Directors Meeting this morning.  The Board unanimously adopted the Statement of Findings for the project as well as the overall inner harbor General Project Plan, a necessary step before construction can begin.  The documents must also be approved by the Empire State Development Corporation.  A vote could occur as soon as next week.

A design/build Request for Proposals (RFP) will be going out to four firms at the end of the month for the public infrastructure work that includes below grade parking under Bass Pro, Canal Side hall, park and canals.  The ECHDC.  When the environmental review process is complete, the ECHDC will have legal authority to begin land transfer negotiations with the City.

Benderson Development's role in the Canal Side project appears to be in doubt. 

"We're at a crossroads with the other development parcels, we are either going to enter into an agreement with Benderson or we're going to RFP those parcels to individual developers in Buffalo," said Larry Quinn Chairman, Canal Side Development Committee.  "We'll probably want to address that at our next meeting, because, without making more progress with Benderson we probably will.  When all that's done, we're looking at a start of construction of pretty much of everything in phase one the second week of August."

"It's a real project, it's all really going to happen now," said Quinn.

A draft lease agreement is ready to send to Bass Pro for review.  Once the environmental document is adopted, ECHDC will have legal authorization to enter into a contract with Bass Pro.  Negotiations on the contract are expected to take "a few months."

According to Thomas Dee, ECHDC President, Bass Pro has invested over $1 million to date designing their store. 

"They are fully engaged, they just turned over load designs necessary to finish the design of the below grade parking," said Dee.

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"RFP those parcels to individual developers in Buffalo"

Yeah, do this, please. Seriously!

Just lay out the lots, rigorously enforce a good set of architectural and zoning rules that ensure good urbanism and a coherent visual style, and let everyone go to town on it.

I wonder if the subtext of this is that Benderson has done a disappointing job at recruiting major retailers to Canal Side...

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RE: RFP individual developers: I got a bit excited momentarily, too. I agree with exactly what you're calling for. But my impression is that we are still going to get suburban mall rather than urban mixed use neighborhood.

I agree with your subtext as well. Retail is in the freezer in strong established locations, much less highly speculative ones like this.

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yawn. i'm just about over canalside and the likely bust it will become. signature span, metro rail, convention center, main place mall, blahblahblah.

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And you rip into me for being negative/critical of some photos? Nice double standard Louise.

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someone cue Byron and his podium

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like the Bat signal, a beam of light will project an image of the podium onto the clouds and Byron will drop what he's doing and rush to the photo op.

replied to pc
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Perhaps they can lower him and his podium down from the skyway for the ribbon cutting.

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They really should have included bByron and his podium in the mockups. Probably right in front of Bass pro would be appropriate for him.
Maybe they could include a permanent podium & ribbon somewhere in Canal Side so he can periodically show up and cut ribbons.

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"We're at a crossroads with the other development parcels, we are either going to enter into an agreement with Benderson or we're going to RFP those parcels to individual developers in Buffalo," said Larry Quinn Chairman, Canal Side Development Committee.

So, does this confirm that no other retailers are interested in Skyway Side at this time?

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Oh, they're dying to get in! Retail has finished its mass die-off in the rest of Downtown, now it needs a new place to die :)

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Canal side saw his shadow, so we have at least six more months of chain link fence to block the public from the river.

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In the Business First article - http://www.bizjournals.com/buffalo/stories/2010/03/08/daily50.html - Jordan Levy puts a more positive spin on the Benderson situation than Larry Quinn's quote in this article seems to. Interesting contrast in tone.

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The Canadian dollar is closing in on par again. I know that we are still a long away off but the outlet mall and galleria are bursting at the seams with canadian shoppers. That has to mean something...

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Can't find retail to sign on? What are we in a recession or something? Retail on the whole is slow to expand locations right now until the recession passes. Retailers should be looking at the long term, but many are in survival mode and may not want to take a chance on a project like this right now.

I'm not defending anyone , I'm just saying that if retailers are closing more than they are opening right now, can we be suprised if anyone is having trouble finding retail willing to expand into Canalside? I'm sure Benderson is having enough trouble trying just to fill all the empty locations of Circuit City and Linen's-N-Things.

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The news behind the story is that Benderson has dropped out, Bass Pro isn't coming, and Jordan Levy isn't being truthful about this parade of retail tenants that are supposedly falling over each other to get a slice of this development. People in the know, know this is the case. It's now publicly confirmed in these statements from Quinn. Read between the lines.

The good news is that the fall-back position appears to be what preservationists called for ten eff-ing years ago: Stop fiddling with Benderson and RFP out the individual parcels to multiple developers who will agree to follow the design guidelines. Build a real neighborhood the old fashioned way.

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You should give your sources to the News. This is blockbuster news!

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And your having dinner with Alice, the mad Hatter, and the red queen.

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That is fantastic news if true.

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does anyone notice that the giant Canalside sign is reminesent of the much loathed "flyswatter" interpretive sign that ECHDC made humor of before removing. Does anyone think ECHDC is actually capable of steering this ship?

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"Does anyone think ECHDC is actually capable of steering this ship? "

No. Larry Quinn is involved. So, no. See: Buffalo Sabres.

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Can we call in buffalo re-use to come and dismantle the skyway?

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So more delays....Should'nt this of been done MONTHS AGO???????

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I guess you're not getting your Banana Republic.

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Developers in larger, fast growing cities can't get financing for their projects. And while the sale of General Growth Properties portends a shake up in the mall space, it has yet to occur. What retailers are falling over themselves to sign anywhere, with unemployment this high and developments that are going nowhere?

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Let's plant some trees, lay some sod and make this into a park for the summer and anon. The BEST use this property could have. We should set up an outdoor market of sorts, whereby independent local retailers can start to plant some roots and the area can start to be perceived as a shopping destination. Let's not wait any longer for these bozos and their silver bullets---like everything else in Buffalo, let's make this happen ourselves.

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I wonder if the money intended for BP can be used for that sort of thing?

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The Skyway is the major hindrance to this. If you look at the other rust belt waterfronts (Cleveland, Pittsburgh, Detroit), none of them has such a generic hindrance cutting right through the development. If there is a bridge there, it is somehow incorporated with the development. Buffalo is no longer the major shipping dynamo it was prior to the St Lawrence Seaway. The amount of ships coming into General Mills is a miniscule fraction of what they once were when ALL of the grain elevators were in operation. The Skyway was necessary then. Now, not so much. Why Brian Higgins is not championing its destruction is beyond me. I lived in Boston during the height of the Big Dig. THAT was a horrifying endeavor. Sinking the Skyway and making it a tunnel should be relatively easy. Although the Skyway and Canal Side are not in her district, I’ve mentioned this to Congresswoman Slaughter. She wants the Skyway gone!

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Agreed. However, IF it must stay, which I hope it does not, there are some interesting designs floating around to turn it into a pedestrian Skyline of sorts....with above ground gardens and esplanade.

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I know I'm coming in late on this, but was there any discussion regarding incorporating a new rail station (meaning Amtrak) into this project? Or at least connected to/deriving from it? I am relatively new to Buffalo and am embarrassed, quite frankly, by the Exchange Street station, for numerous reasons. It seems to be that creating an appealing train station with capacity that interfaces with Metro rail (intermodal in a sense), makes a lot of sense. It would connected rail services, enhance tourist accessbility to canal side/downtown, etc, etc. Buffalo deserves better than that shack downtown. Can anyone give me some background on discussion about this and Canalside? Or general background on potential future plans on an enhanced long-distance rail station for Buffalo (no I don't mean Depew).

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Great question. A few years ago when the canalside project was still evolving, they had announced an intermodal hub that would link rail, metro, and bus terminals into one new site... I think at the Aud site, but not sure if the location was ever finalized.

Unfortunately, that project quietly disappeared, and nobody ever mentions it now. Sometimes I wonder if I just imagined it all in my head, because people act like the project never existed.

Real shame... would have been a great asset to canalside.

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The original Transportation Hub idea floated around the site of the Donovan Building or the Aud. But, new ideas and changes came into play and of course, forgotten about. A NEW and improved Train Station (and BUS STATION) would be great. Heck, at least ONE restaurant in the current Bus Station would be great too! I'd hate to be stuck there while waiting for a connecting bus and have NO PLACE TO EAT!!!! (Besides the crap in the snack machines).

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I had a feeling a notion like this might have had some life before...If it's the Donovan Bldg. that was a possible site for this prior proposed facility, am I right in saying that there still isn't really a concrete use of that site at this point in time?

I can't imagine that the city/Amtrak hasn't gotten a lot of complaints over the years regarding the sorry state of affairs on exchange street, and its disconnectedness from the built environment and pockets of potential vibrancy that downtown does/could offer. I can't imagine what a visitor coming to that station must think. You get off there, the building's probably closed, if you're lucky a cab or bus is there or it's still early enough to get a connecting metro rail. (Note: I had to hoof it to the greyhound station to get a cab one sunday, and there wasn't even one there.) Not a good first impression. Guess that's why so many use Depew. I was simply shocked that passenger rail doesn't go west in this country from the city of Buffalo. wow. lost opportunity with canalside. wish i'd have been able to get to the public meetings.

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"Guess that's why so many use Depew."

There's other reasons. Any trains to/from cities west of here like Cleveland or Chicago can't use the Exchange St station due to the track layout. It's been said that's why the Central Terminal was built a few miles east of downtown - because the track there allows westbound trains to use it.

Also, the Depew station has a lot of free long term parking so even if someone is travelling east they might choose Depew for that.

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has anyone here seen this?

http://www.buffalonews.com/2010/03/11/984077/parking-lot-upgrades-planned.html

NOTHING makes any sense . And i wonder if anyone is capable of speaking to anyone else, or telling the truth.

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I would assume the areas mentioned in the article are outside of the canal-side development site.

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It's real estate development folks, unless the deals are 100% done, they're 0% done.

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Canalside construction is slated to begin in August, yet the sign in the picture after the article states "Canalside Coming May 2011". I get the feeling that come May, the site will not be a heck of a lot different from how it looks today.

Is anyone surprised that those signs(there were 4 or 5 last summer when the Aud was being demolished)have been removed from the site(there may still be one hanging around)?

Much like the interpretive elements that never materialized with "Phase 1" of this project, I wouldn't bet any money that the project ends up being anything like the most recent models.

PS It would be nice to see the Shyway removed, but it is not going to be the reason why this project succeeds or fails.

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