City February 8, 2010 11:59 AM

Winds of Change? The Growing Interest in Great Lakes Offshore Wind Energy

Winds of Change? The Growing Interest in Great Lakes Offshore Wind Energy
GLU post by Nate Drag:

Anyone who lives on the shores of the Great Lakes knows that the waves are not the only powerful force in these ecosystems. From the days of shipping grain and coal on sailing vessels like schooners to the wind driven waves of Great Lakes surfers today, the wind is an undeniable feature of Great Lakes ecosystems and communities.

The challenges of global climate change and an energy system based on unsustainable and polluting fossil fuels, however, have recently lead many individuals across the Great Lakes basin to consider how else this immense force could be used to the power our bi-national region in a more sustainable way. The latest wave of interest in Great Lakes wind is coming in the form of offshore wind turbines. While this technology has been used by several European nations, there are currently no offshore wind energy facilities in the United States or Canada. And, of specific interest for the Great Lakes, there are no offshore wind turbines in freshwater systems throughout the entire world.

While it is of upmost importance to reduce our societies' unhealthy addiction to fossil fuels, it is also crucial that each new idea be carefully examined. We know that jumping full force into developing new ways to produce energy can lead to devastating consequences. And while wind energy may not have the risks of say, nuclear energy, there are environmental, social, and economic considerations that have to be taken in the proposed offshore wind projects that are currently under deliberation at this time.
 
Michigan, New York, Ohio, Ontario, and Wisconsin are all in the midst of examining the feasible of constructed offshore wind turbines in the shallower but more biologically productive areas of the Lakes. The attraction to shallow areas is due to the existing offshore wind technology having a 30-meter depth restriction. In every lake, especially Lake Erie, this depth restriction could limit offshore wind projects to the ecologically sensitive nearshore areas.  With that being said, there are already a number of potential projects across the entire bi-national Great Lakes Basin.

The project that is farthest along lies in New York's Great Lakes. In December of 2009, the New York Power Authority (NYPA) released an official Request for Proposal for a utility-scale offshore wind project in the range of 120 MW to 500 MW in either Lake Erie or Lake Ontario, possibly in close proximity to Buffalo. Throughout this past summer and fall, NYPA has held public meetings to discuss the results of last April's Request for Expressions of Interest and to develop the provisions (such as siting criteria) for their RFP. The deadline for proposals for projects is June 1, 2010.

The pros and cons of each project in every Great Lake follow common arguments. Appeals to jobs in economically depressed regions, desire to the first project developed leading to that region becoming a center for a growing industry, and other social-economic arguments are frequently offered. The impact on avian wildlife, fish spawning, recreational fishing and boating, and aesthetic concerns rank highest amongst those carefully critiquing the projects. While answers remain few at the time, it is a safe bet that offshore wind energy projects are very likely to be on the radar for communities and ecosystems across the Great Lakes in the near future.

Further study and research will only help us fully understand this innovative but oft-times controversial technology. Be sure to follow Great Lakes United's involvement in and analysis of these projects that have the potential to change our communities and Lakes. 
For more information on offshore wind power production and other energy related programming, be sure to visit GLU's website. To view NYPA's Great Lakes Offshore Wind Request for Proposals, visit http://www.nypa.gov/NYPAwindpower/RFP.html.


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But what about the Common Tern?

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one good tern deserves another...

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I bet this'll take as long as getting a new bridge.

Wait till the environmental groups get involved. I bet thisll be done in 2017.

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"We know that jumping full force into developing new ways to produce energy can lead to devastating consequences."

Precautionary principle horse puckey.

The enviro-nuts will never allow this, nor any other development, in the Great Lakes waters. Yay, lawyers!

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i consider myself an environmentalist and i find wind turbines really inspiring. i love going seeing the ones at beth steel. to anyone who opposes them, all i can say is: would you rather have a coal or nuke plant?

if it turns out to be bad for the lake ecosystem to plant turbines off shore, well, we still have no shortage of brownfields to park them on.

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I didn't realize nuclear plants were bad? they certainly produce far more energy with basically zero emissions. They actually are the way to go you just can't get over what other people have branded into your head.

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too bad about that pesky spent fuel, eh?

replied to KarlMalone
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That and it is the most expensive method of producing energy. Toxic waste, high price and risk of horrible disaster... why are people in favor of nuke power again?

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You mean it has the safest track record (zero deaths in the US which has over 100 plants more than double anyone else), its the densest form of energy (anti-sprawl crowd unite), provides energy independence, emits zero greenhouse gas, and with a new nuclear plant life of 60-80 years, its actually is cheaper than other forms. How much does each one of those windmills cost to maintain?

The anti-nuclear arguement is at best dishonest.

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It's always 1979 in HippyWorld.

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@ sony-Nah more like a present day corporate dreamland.

@ Karl-Im glad that in the years of nuclear energy production they have found a cure for human error. That is of course what leads to catastrophic disasters in these nuke plants.

No fatalities in the US? I feel better already. Chernobyl killed a few, maimed countless others, rendered large swaths ot the Ukraine uninhabitable but that happened overseas which means it would be impossible for a similar facility to do the same thing here.

If disaster is prevented there is no toxins released into the atmosphere but you still have the issue of where to put the spent fuel. You trade toxic air for toxic solid waste. That stuff has to get shipped to places like yucca mountain through communities that will not welcome it.

Cost? Well carbon taxing will make nuke energy more competitive in the sense that it will cost more to burn fossil fuels but that assumes the nuke plant and disposal of its waste will be free. In reality, those places are very expensive to build and require costly maintainance and waste disposal. I dont care if you amortize the initial outlay over 60-80 years or 600-800 years, that money doesnt just fall from the sky. It is borrowed and the costs of which are paid by users (higher electric bill) or subsidized by the government (higher taxes).

Another thing to consider is these places need tons of water for so you cant just put one out in the Rockies or in the desert. They will need to be put in places where there are large quantities of fresh water which is also where people tend to settle. No intellegent community is going to want one of these time bombs build anywhere near them which will lead to lots of court tie ups and wasted time.

Yes, nuke power sounds great on the campaign trail and as long as it isnt being built anywhere near registerd voters. Or in sonys case, anything to spite the hippies. But when you consider the real cost of production, risk, and slim chance of overcoming opposition, nuke power is a losing proposition.

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Chernobyl? I know you long for communism and those good ole days when Stalin provided for the people, but if you think European or US nuclear production emulates Chernobyl’s standards, I suggest a class in physics at ECC. Even though we as population may lack in science and math as a whole (I’m sure it’s somehow Supt. Williams fault), the US actually is still capable of pretty good safe reliable energy, nuclear included. Hard to believe, hence our zero death track record.

You are correct nuclear power is not cheap, neither are any of the alternatives and they have scarcity issues to boot (sorry for the economic term, I know you despise the sciences).

Nuclear power does produce waste, primarily solids. Fossil fuels also produce waste, you just see it so often you forget about it. In effect every alternative or current produces waste and a lot more of it. Heck, which is more destructive (not potentially)?

Energy independence, job creation, and emissions reduction. Fresh water (although small and medium sized reactors only require pond like systems and can put in the middle of nowhere). Jesus, I’m starting to sound like a liberal, you are right there must be a flaw in the argument

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If power can produced far cheaper at hydro plants what is the point of going nucular? I know that you feel it is impossble for disaster to happen in the US citing the fact that nobody has been killed yet and the political flaws of Joseph Stalin, but you also have to consider the economic aspect. The plant sony cited cost 5.9 billion in 1970s dollars and took 12 years to build. It produces power for less than coal or gas but it is owned by the state so that figure is likely manipulated by subsidy. Our hydro plant cost 800 mil (50s dollars) and only 3 years to build.

If you are worried about energy independence there are other ways of solving the problem than going nuke. To quote a chant from the church of freemarketology: "its simple supply and demand." You can increace the supply or (gasp) reduce demand through conservation. I know thats godless hippie talk and I have insulted the invisable hand.

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"If power can produced far cheaper at hydro plants..."

Some environmental activists oppose more hydro plants. For example last year a project in Ohio was canceled due to opposition.
http://www.cleveland.com/science/index.ssf/2009/06/hydroelectric_power_plant_at_g.html

Even if opposition can be overcome, a much bigger problem is there aren't many more potential locations for hydro plants compared to growing electricity demand. Hydro plants were already built long ago at the best sites in the U.S.

From 'The Nuclear Energy Option', Bernard L. Cohen, Plenum Press, 1990
http://www.phyast.pitt.edu/~blc/book/chapter2.html

"hydroelectric power is relatively cheap and has been important historically. Large plants harnessing the energy of Niagara Falls, the Tennessee River, Columbia River, ...and the Colorado River ...have played very important roles...
...But sites for generating hydroelectric power must be provided by nature, and in the United States nearly all of the more favorable sites nature has provided are already being used.
There have been new projects for harnessing the energy in the flow of rivers, but these give relatively little electric power and cause serious fish kills, which lead to well-justified objections by environmental groups. Hydroelectric power is therefore not an important option for the new plants that are needed. ..."

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Whatever>"From 'The Nuclear Energy Option', Bernard L. Cohen, Plenum Press, 1990"

Great read! No sarcasm, I learned a lot by just reading the first few chapters. I feel a bit better about nuke safety seeing how much of the west relies on that method of power much more than we do(Im serious). However I did take the work with a little grain of salt as I assume the author, like many academics, had his mind made up on the subject before he began his work. Nevertheless, most of the material I found on the subject was biased from both sides and this is about as close to what you can find to objective analysis.

Of paticular interest to me was when he explained how nuke plants are so expensive and why they are not built anymore. In short, regulations that have been enacted since the 1970s have made it cost prohibative to build new plants and made existing ones expensive to operate.

Those regulations are not going anywhere so the only way to make nuke power competitive is to tax the hell out of fossil fuel to make it more expensive by default. I still think it would be better to explore options with hydropower. That has environmental consequences as well but is a much more efficient means to generate power. As you pointed out the problem there is you can only put these places where geography will cooperate. Still It is reasonable to assume these places can be upgraded to boost production and unlike nukes, present no risk of serious catastrophy.

The other option is to consume less. That will only happen when we collectivly decide to stop turning lights on in the entire house, leaving the plasma on all night cause it helps you sleep, or running the ac when a fan would cool you off just as well. As Cohen pointed out, consumption goes down as economic conditions worsen and presently Id say our energy needs are not what they once were. The way I see it, we dont need to resort to nukes until 1. the economy rebounds 2. people make serious changes to their consumption habits 3. all hydropower options are exhasusted. Any effort to build a nuke plant before then is, at best, just going to waste money and, at worst, put us at risk of disaster.

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fissionable material that doesn't decompose for hundreds of thousands of years is a problem. My solution? Send it into space, aimed for the sun. Even NASA can't miss the sun. But until we come up with some viable plan for the waste (and Yucca mountain has serious opposition), it's a non starter.

That, or develop fusion.

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1979 = Three Mile Island. Anti-nuclear power activists are still hung up on an accident that occured THIRTY YEARS AGO at a facility designed nearly FIFTY YEARS AGO. The 2010 designs are much better. Hear of any terrible accidents in France? China? India? BTW, the Chernobyl reactors were of a designed that could never be approved in the west,BEFORE that accident. "These places need tons of water so you cant just put one out in the Rockies or in the desert." ? The largest nuclear plant in operation in the US is Palo Verde, west of Phoenix, IN THE ARIZONA DESERT. It's three units have an excellent safety record and produce more power than all of the windmill farms on earth. Not that I'm against wind power, but let's be honest here. And finally, there is a waste disposal plan but NIMBYs like you killed Yucca Mountain so those lovely barrels of waste get to stay in your backyards instead of being safely stored in deep vaults in a DRY ARID REGION. Thankfully, President Obama has begun reviving the nuclear power application process and four units are ready to file. Put that in your bong and smoke it.

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Wow I stand corrected if there is a nuke plant in the Arizona desert. I see they use sewage for cooling which sounds innovative but expensive. They must also pipe in water from elsewhere for their turbines. Add to that the low price of 5.9 billion for construction (our hydo plant was 800 mill in 50s dollars). I also see the place was cited for safety violations which is troubling considering the prevailing winds would spoil everything eastward in the event of a disaster.

I also stand corrected about yucca mountain. I do remember hearing something about it being shut down. Instead of getting upset about barrels of waste pilling up maybe we should be more concerned about not producing anymore of the glow in the dark goo.

Yeah I remember both candidates singing the praises of nukes during the summer of $4/gallon gas. I sorry to hear more plants are going to be approved since it is idiotic to generate more waste when, as you said, barrels are pilling up. Fat chance of any of those future mistakes getting built in anything but an extremely remote area. Its okay though, like in Arizona they can pipe in water from afar, use sewage and add to the already outrageous cost of producing power at these places.

Bong? You could use a few hits from the bong, bowl or joint. It would work wonders for the anger towards the NIMBYS and hippies.

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"Yeah I remember both candidates singing the praises of nukes during the summer of $4/gallon gas."

No need to remember back that far. Obama praised nukes 2 weeks ago when the average price was $2.70/gallon:

Obama - Jan. 27, 2010: "To create more of these clean energy jobs, we need more production, more efficiency, more incentives. And that means building a new generation of safe, clean nuclear power plants in this country."

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7-8 windmills in a useless demonstration project : "Oh how cool those are!"

1000-1500 windmills, which are actually needed to produce a meaningful amount of electricity: "Horrible, I wish they'd get rid of those ugly eyesores."

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Where is the need for more power in western NY? Correct me if I'm wrong because I am certainly no expert on the subject, but has WNY not been tapping into sustainable power for the past hundred odd years by the way of hydro power? I mean, sure wind turbines are trendy and everything but why not just re-invest into the existing power infrastructure at Niagara Falls as opposed to developing a whole new approach? It seems like people subscribe to the thought that if Europe is doing it then we must follow suit. Yes, Europe has made amazing progress in the way of sustainable living but WNY has its own identity which includes a magnificent power source in the way of Niagara Falls and it should not be ignored.

To me wind turbines in the lake makes about as much sense as high speed rail to NYC so I can get there in 3-4 hours even though it takes me at least an hour to get from the EV to UB Amherst via Public Transport. A terribly shortsighted misappropriation of valuable public resources.

We need to stop envying what other places have accomplished and rediscover our own, unique regional identity.

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I agree to a degree with your statement; however, with the robber barons known as the NYPA diverting a significant amount of the mighty Niagara’s power away from the region for benefit of our more sophisticated and deserving cousins downstate, we currently rely on a combination of locally generated hydro (Niagara Falls) and coal fired (C.R. Huntley Generating Station in Tonawanda and Kintigh Generating Station in Somerset) electric. Kintigh, by the way, has been identified as one of the dirtiest plants in the United States and the dirtiest in New York State – despite the fact that it is only 26 years old. It is also responsible for an extremely large and destructive warm water plume in Lake Ontario.

If the NYPA did not hold the reigns of power here in WNY and they in turn were not slaves and bootlickers of Albany and the mighty dollar of the NYC elite, we could have a larger stake in the “clean”, renewable power generated at the Falls. Instead, we have some of the most outrageous per-kilowatt hour prices in the nation. If all were fair and we lived in a world of talking daisies, pink unicorns, and reliable public officials, the Buffalo-Niagara region would have access to the all of the Fall’s energy, selling off what we did not need. With that resource alone we would be a better contender on the national level for industry and a far more attractive site for businesses looking to cut costs.

There is no doubt that we as a region hold many resources that are enviable; however, as with most things around here, we are given short shrift by those that hold power and little love or respect for the people of Western New York. If the proposal for these wind turbines included a distribution scheme that would ensure the power stayed local I would support it. If it turned out to be another resource stolen by the NYPA (under the authority of Congress, mind you) I say to hell with it.

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Perfectly, completely dreadful!

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This brings to mind all the wind turbines littering the countryside on hilltops in nearby Wyoming & Genesee counties.

They spent millions on them.

All of them were quickly broken, with no definite schedule as to when they'll be running again. It turns out they weren't designed for WNY weather. Ice, sleet, wind, and snow destroyed them. I don't think anybody designs these for our harsh weather. Has anyone seen even one run for an entire year in our area without seriously breaking down or getting destroyed?

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The Niagara Power Projects in the US and Canada divert more than half of the water out of the Niagara River and away from the falls. They have had a tremendous environmental impact on Lake Erie and Lake Ontario, the ice boom has had an adverse effect on our environment. We have forever changed the landscape of the Niagara Gorge, taking away native wildlife and plants and replacing them with concrete channels, huge buildings, and turbines that produce electromagnetic interference that effects the migratory patterns of birds and fish.

Despite all of this, the biggest tragedy is that the State of NY and Province of Ontario control the projects and the local residents do not see a benefit from them. Residents of other states receive our locally generated power at a rate that is lower than ours. If we did add 10 - 15 windmills, we wouldn't benefit from them, they would also be controlled by the State and the benefit would be taken away from us.

We need to take control of the NYPA! We need to do this now!

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The Fallout at Vermont Yankee

Vermont's Radioactive Nightmare

By HARVEY WASSERMAN

Like a decayed flotilla of rickety steamers, at least 27 of America's 104 aging atomic reactors are known to be leaking radioactive tritium, which is linked to cancer if inhaled or ingested through the throat or skin.

The fallout has been fiercest at Vermont Yankee, where a flood of cover-ups has infuriated and terrified near neighbors who say the reactor was never meant to operate more than 30 years, and must now shut.

In 2007 one of Yankee's 22 cooling towers simply collapsed due to rot.

Now the Nuclear Regulatory Commission has confirmed tritium levels in a monitoring well at Vernon to be 3.5 times the federal safety standard. The leaks apparently came from underground pipes whose very existence was recently denied by VY officials in under-oath testimony at a public hearing. Vermont's pro-nuclear Republican Governor Jim Douglas has termed the event "a breach of trust that cannot be tolerated."

Yankee is owned by Entergy, a Mississippi-based consortium that also owns New York's Indian Point reactor, which suffered an internal gusher of radioactive water in May, 2009. Another leak has just been found at Oconee in South Carolina. Illinois' Braidwood leaked so many millions of gallons of tritium-laced water that its owner, Exelon, was forced to buy a new municipal water system for a nearby town.

Entergy says none of Yankee's tritium has been found in local drinking water or in the Connecticut River, which supplies the plant's cooling water. Vernon sits near Vermont's southeast border with Massachusetts, across the river from New Hampshire. "The existence of tritium in such low levels does not present a risk to public health or safety whatsoever," says the company's Robert Williams.

But VY is just the latest of more than two dozen U.S. nuclear plants---many built in the 1960s and '70s---to be found with leaking tritium.

Last year at New Jersey's Oyster Creek, tritium was reported leaking a second time shortly after Exelon got it a 20-year license extension. Entergy's Pilgrim reactor, at Plymouth, Massachusetts, has recently leaked tritium into the ground.

The NRC's Neil Sheehan has confirmed leaks involving 27 of 104 licensed US reactors, and says that probably doesn't account for all of them. At Yankee, Oyster Creek and elsewhere, rotting pipes are the likeliest culprit, but no one is 100% certain.

The epidemic has escalated public dismay. Vermont state Representative Tony Klein, chair of House Natural Resources and Energy Committee, says that "when you have public officials that the public depends on for their health and welfare making casual statements that a radioactive substance is not harmful to you, I think that's ludicrous."

For decades the Encylopedia Britannica, National Academy of Sciences and other primary scientific bodies have confirmed that no dose of radiation, no matter how small, can ever be deemed perfectly safe. "There is no threshold of exposure below which low levels of ionizing radiation can be demonstrated to be harmless or beneficial," says Richard R. Monson, associate dean for professional education and professor of epidemiology at the Harvard School of Public Health.

Thus far the NRC has granted a series of license renewals to aging reactors. But by virtue of a long-standing agreement with Entergy, the Vermont Legislature can deny Yankee's request for a 20-year extension. In the 1990s local groups like the Citizen's Awareness Network (http://www.vtcitizen.org/) helped force down the Yankee Rowe plant on the Deerfield River in Massachusetts, about 25 miles southwest of Vernon. The root cause was concern over embrittlement of the elderly reactor's core, a key to the future of all other aging nukes.

In Vermont, angry debate has also arisen over Entergy's dwindling decommissioning fund, which has been slashed by a declining stock market. Entergy has proposed spinning off plant ownership to a shell corporation whose assets may be even more dubious. But area residents also fear Entergy may be pushing Yankee operations in an attempt to find the source of its leaks.

With VY operating under duress, Katz and others report an increasing wave of concern among local citizens starting to think seriously about how they might evacuate if Entergy keeps pushing. "This plant appears to be leaking from its reactor piping, but they don't really know where," she says. "They don't want to shut down because they're afraid they'll never get back up. Entergy is choosing to protect its bottom line rather than the health and safety of our community."

Indeed, a desperate national industry now pushing for massive federal subsidies to build new reactors may not survive a flood of elderly clunkers being forced to close by the weight of their own contamination. "This is an industry trying to build a new fleet of Titanics while the old ones are sinking," says Katz.

Amidst the gusher of tritium leaks, Governor Douglas wants to postpone the legislature's vote on VY's license extension. But his term expires in November, and all five Democratic gubernatorial candidates are pledged to a Yankee shutdown.

What happens next will be defined by fierce grassroots activism crashing into a flood of corporate money in support of a rickety old reactor being operated with increasing recklessness.

The highly hyped "reactor renaissance"---and much more---may hang in the balance. Stay tuned.

Harvey Wasserman is the author of SOLARTOPIA! Our Green-Powered Earth, A.D. 2030, is at www.solartopia.org. He can be reached at: Windhw@aol.com

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What a great addition to the discussion. Thank you!

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your welcome bini. and thanks for some of your informative posts regarding real estate.

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Utter NIMBY nonsense. Of course Vermonters want nothing to do with nuclear power so let them pull the plug. But those aging reactors are still in service precisely because any attempts at replacing or even upgrading them has met with the usual hippy opposition. Not so in other areas. Duke Energy is well prepared to add units to their plants in the south, and Texas utilities are filing applications. if Yucca Mountain were open the waste from those older plants would have been carted off and cleanups could begin. Eventually, any plant built before 1970 will probably be closed either for upgrades or permanently. New England doesn't want nuclear, they don't want coal, they don't want oil or gas. and they shouted down windmills off Cape Cod. Let them freeze in the dark.

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They'll just keep buying power from NY for less than we pay for it.

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