City February 4, 2010 10:25 AM

NY Style Pizza On The Way

NY Style Pizza On The Way
There's a new tenant moving into the vacant Sahara Grill at the corner of Elmwood and Bidwell. I'm glad to see that corner get another business so soon considering it is such a hi-profile location on the street. Zetti's Pizza and Pasta has branded the location with signs, signaling their intentions to open.

At one point there was an other pizza place in the building - Just Pizza, but they eventually relocated down to the corner of Elmwood and Summer. The interior of this building is set up perfectly for a pizza joint, and if they do it right, should become a hot sit down destination. Initially I had been hoping to get a Pizza Plant set up there (wishful thinking), though Zetti's fans are extremely excited about landing the business in the city.

"Best pizza in town. Hands down. Real New Yorkers making real pizza!  Two words, Zetti slice." - Josh H.

"I used to hate thin crust pizza until I tried Zetti's. Now I am hooked. They have other good stuff too. Glad to hear they will be in Elmwood area." - Jessica D.

"Awesome.  Seriously good NY-style, thin crust yumminess.  This makes me happy.  I'm not dissing the thicker crust Buffalo variety here, but a slice of thin crust is in order at times." - Maki T.

"Super friggin excited!!!!!!" - Chao L.

"Fabulous. I go to the one near south campus UB all the time. real NYC pizza." -DLW

"Great pizza, great service. This will be their fourth location. They started in University Plaza, opened store No. 2 across from UB North Campus on Maple Road and have a third store on Transit Road near Eastern Hills Mall that unlike the other two has restaurant table service." - Art P.

So there you have it... people are psyched to get a real New York-style pizza place in the city. I've never tried any of their slices, though I'm interested to do so. Best of all, I think having another pizza sit-down option on Elmwood is a good thing. 
View image

Comments

Leave a comment

Awesome pizza!

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Interesting Fact: The best New York Style pizza can't be found in New York State. You have to go to New Haven, CT. Frank Pepe's on Woster St. If you are ever on I-95 going to or from Boston you have to check it out. It is right off the Thruway.

Sorry to be somewhat off topic...

Score: -1 ( 1 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

That's not a fact: those are fightin' words.

replied to Chris
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

I've had Frank Pepe's. It's good, but not as good as Angelo's in NYC.

http://www.angelospizzany.com/index.htm

replied to Chris
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

i have had Pepe's pizza and it is good but really not the same thing as new york style pizza. new haven pizza crusts are so thin that a large pizza in its box must weigh less than a pound! order one each would be my advice!

replied to Chris
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

It's better than DiFara's but not as good as Totonnos in Coney Island. Definitely better than Regina's in Boston.

replied to hilaritee
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

I'm glad someone moved in to this space, but its still just another pizza place (from what i've heard my mind might be changed once i try it, but we'll see about that) i'm gonna miss the sahara grill, I hope someone picks up the hookah bar concept somewhere else in the EV

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Not sure if this is what Elmwood needs, given that pizza is everywhere to be found already. The sign is ugly. I wish them well, but I can't see this as a plus for the neighborhood.

We can spin this as good, but I think it's a sign of how tenuous Elmwood's business health is. It's mostly hand to mouth survival on the strip, many vacancies, diminishing variety of restaurants and shops. Overall, the street looks tired. The new building on Elmwood/Bryant is the only brightness I see.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

The sign is a bit garish with the optical white, but I'll take a garish sign over an empty storefront any day. I am less concerned with signage aesthetics than I am with the general urban character and walkability of the area.

I don't know that this reflects anything about Elmwood's overall health; restaurants open and close all the time, everywhere. What other signs do you see of "diminishing variety of restaurants and shops"? The recent closures I can think of are the two middle-eastern restaurants (this and Falafel Bar), and the pizza joint near Forest which was replaced by a calzone joint (so no real change there). In the same period of time we've seen the opening of a few more clothing boutiques, a candy shop, a Chinese-Japanese restaurant, a cupcake bakery. Penzey's Spices is apparently coming soon (that's a new type of retailer to the neighborhood).

I can agree that it'd be nice to see some more "everyday" businesses open, like a deli/butcher or a hardware store, but I don't see Elmwood as declining. Far from it, really.

replied to EricOak
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

I mean in the longer term: the opening and closing of bargain food restaurants in a strip already heavy with them is not a good sign in the wealthiest city neighborhood. That's a zinger location and a really good space; I hoped it would attract a little more sophisticated business because we need more of them in the Elmwood-Delaware neighborhood. I don't think pizza joints attract affluent home buyers and investors. I guess I would rather see an empty storefront for a while if it meant a distinctive and unique business would eventually land it.

I don't think Elmwood is declining, but I don't think its business life is robust except for a few places. And I do think the street looks tired, with more shabby storefronts and litter in the past few years.

replied to JSmith
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

How dare you suggest that a pizza joint is inappropriate for the neighborhood? There are filthy rich bastards in exclusive enclaves all over the world that wish they could have a pizza joint like this nearby. Please redirect your attention to all the tax preparers and nail salons!

replied to EricOak
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Yeah, the signage is pretty bad. At the Amherst locations, Zetti's uses internally illuminated channel letters, which are much more tasteful than the externally illuminated flat plastic or plywood sign seen in the photo. The signage at the Amherst locations display just the name of the business; with no extraneous information such as "Dine In - Take Out - We Deliver" or the phone number to clutter things up.

Buffalo's sign code is fairly lenient, and it's not enforced. Zettis's could have given the building the full East Side Arab store treatment, and the city still would have turned a blind eye to it.

replied to EricOak
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

See, Dan, I think that's a matter of taste. The folks who put together the Elmwood Village Design Guidelines chose to specifically disallow backlit or internally lit signs (except for neon signs). So to their tastes, a flat printed sign is preferable. I don't personally care all that much one way or the other signage aesthetics. To me that's way down the list on what makes a good urban environment.

The EV Design Guidelines are part of the city charter, so in this district there are quite strict regulations for signage and other storefront aesthetics. Whether they will be enforced is another issue, but they are now encoded in law. They could try to do the East Side deli thing and the city might turn a blind eye at first, but citizens who 311 them for code violations would be on firm ground to demand enforcement.

replied to Dan
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

What's wrong with the signs saying we deliver, etc., and the phone #? That's helpful to both the business and customers.

The signs aren't great looking, but they don't seem awful either. They look like normal pizza place signs.

replied to Dan
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

The more I look at it, the worst this looks. A step backward.

replied to whatever
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Why should a pizza sign have to look any better than that? It looks like exactly what it is.

Can't you see that its beauty is in its functionality and literalism?

100 years from now, the Tielmans of the day will demand that kind of sign outside the NYS-funded Pizza Museum to be proposed for the site where the old Bass Pro building was finally demolished after 70 years of vacancy.

Seriously, the sign looks just right for what it is.

replied to EricOak
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Exactly. With a sign like that, you know the pizza's good!

replied to whatever
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

I live in the neighborhood, and the sign doesn't fit. You can have a commercial sign that is functional and attractive. This is not. It's an eyesore on the corner.

replied to whatever
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Elmwood could really use a boutique hotel or something along those lines, say at Elmwood and Forest. I think that would really positive impact on that end of Elmwood.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

I completly agree!!!! If we want more out of towners to enjoy this wonderful district, it NEEDS HOTEL ROOMS. Picture, "Elmwood Village Weekend Getaway- Enjoy, Shopping, Dinning, and Culture all in one district!!!"

replied to NorPark
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Heh. I got the joke.

replied to NorPark
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

New pizzerias open every week throughout Buffalo. It seems like this is news only because it's in EV.

Zetti's is already in the city limits, in University Heights.

Pizza Plant strikes me as the kind of business that will never locate in the city, unfortunately. They'll probably do the usual four locations in Amherst/Williamsville, one on Transit Road in Clarence, one by the Galleria in Cheektowaga, and one by McKinley Mall in Hamburg before they even consider a city location.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Dan, actually the Zetti's near Tops is across the border (Kenmore Ave), so it's in evil Amherst, not in city limits.

replied to Dan
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

I stand corrected. :) I pictured them further down Main Street, for some reason.

replied to whatever
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

They do awesome catering size pasta dishes - and I don't mean "pasta" but pasta done correctly. It is a pizza place, but it's different enough that it might do well. Maybe somewhere between Just Pizza and Just Pasta. It's better than a poke in the eye anyway.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

ho hum. more pizza. and yes, that sign does belong in the boulevard mall food court. its always nice to see investment in the city but its getting a little boring.

agreed that the only way i would have been excited for a pizza place here is if it had been pizza plant. i really don't understand why they don't open a location in the city, they'd make a killing! especially because they're so vegetarian/vegan friendly, that has to make up half their business.

has anyone actually talked to the owner to see what the mental block is against a city location? i've encouraged it on their facebook page and leave the suggestion every time i go on one of their comment cards to no avail :(

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

The signes in the Boulvard Mall food court are much more upscale than that. Indedd it looks like a sign one would expect to see in a struggling commercial district of a dying city - which is exactly where it is located.

replied to nmill
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

I love Zetti's pizza. This is a great location for them.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

You're right that this is likely a story only because it's in the Elmwood Village.

Nonetheless, I am glad. Zetti's has good pizza, and furthermore, the competition might actually serve as an incentive to make Just Pizza and Avenue more committed to serving fresh slices.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

technically the zetti's by south campus is in amherst

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Very sad to see Sahara Grille replaced by a pizza joint. I've eaten at Zetti's in the Heights (haven't tried the pasta, just the pizza) and it's nothing to write home about -- overly greasy. I'm all for the big NYC slices, but the roll-down-your-chin grease I can really do without. I just don't understand the appeal....

That said, "something is better than nothing"...said through my teeth. Anyone else want to start a replacement North African restaurant somewhere in the city?

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

How about at Bel Cibo on the Elmwood strip? It seems to me that place has been vacant for a long time. Anyone know how long it has actually been vacant?

replied to burlapwax
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

i sorely wish we had an ethiopian restaurant!

replied to burlapwax
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Zettis is/are expanding like crazy. They opened two locations is Amherst/Williamsville last year. They opened in two prime locations so I assume their overhead is relatively high. Is the Transit Rd location still open? Their pizza is OK but not great. Seeing this rapid expansion makes me wonder if they are doing too much too fast. Time will tell.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

The location on Transit closed. It was a huge place. Formerly a Road House Grill. Hopefully the new Elmwood location will be a better fit.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

There's thousands of Buff State students from Long Island that absolutely, positively despise Buffalo-style pizza. They'll probably do quite well.

replied to Millz88
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

There's thousands of Buffaloians who absolutely, positively despise Long Islanders accents, so we're even.

replied to Dan
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Agreed. If Buffalonians can try NY-style pizza, the Lawnguylanders can at certainly not turn their nose up at the Buffalo thicker crust, sweet sauce, curled Marghertia pepperoni grease bowl version. When in Rome, right? Anyhow, I loves me my Buffalo-style pizza.

I'm a Buffalo native, but Buffalo eyacksints ... sorry, but I hate hearing my name pronounced as "Deann". Glad I lost most of my flat-A.

replied to Charlie Riley
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

The large signs may be in violation of the City Charter:

§ 511-104. General standards.

"(4) (b)Lots in the C1 Neighborhood Business District: 35 square feet per use, provided that exterior signs pertain only to a permitted use on the premises, are attached flat against the building, do not project above the roofline and do not face the side of any adjoining lot in any R District."

Probably each of the 4 signs in larger than 35 square feet.

I know - other businesses at the location had such large signs. Doesn't make it legal.

I hope the pizza is good.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Well, I don't think the current zoning codes are being applied very rigorously (and probably rightly so). That property is in the "Elmwood Business District" special zoning district, which was established (in the '60s or '70s, I think) to *discourage* restaurants and bars. So actually, a restaurant is supposed to require a restricted use permit from the Common Council.

Daniel, you were on the committee that created the Elmwood Village Design Guidelines (now part of the city charter), right? Do those supersede the Elmwood Business District zoning regulations? By the way, I notice they don't actually say anything about the size of wall signs, except that they should be "pedestrian-oriented in size".

All the more evidence that we really need a comprehensive updated (form-based) zoning code ASAP.

replied to Daniel Sack
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

JSmith - I am not a lawyer. My understanding is that C1 zoning (EB District included in C1) applies to EB District. Elmwood Village Design Standards applies too. But you don't want to duplicate items found elsewhere in the code.

Yes form based zoning will improve all this and it is in the works (soon?).

replied to JSmith
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

The resumes the city received for the vacant planning director position supposedly were all dumped into the circular file. I don't see form-based codes in the city's future, and even if it did happen, would there be the political will to enforce it? That's for another article, though.

replied to Daniel Sack
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

The city doesn't enforce its sign regulations, unfortunately; consider all the Arab stores that are painted top to bottom in tacky signage. "FULL LINE OF GROC". (FWIW, the sign regs aren't part of the charter.)

replied to Daniel Sack
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

How is § 511-104 of the City Charter not part of the City Charter? Of course these sign laws and many other parts of the charter are not enforced and they won't be unless we challenge the City. I have already asked Dept of Inspections to check this sign. We'll see what they do.

replied to Dan
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Zetti's hit the tipping point, it is a huge hit with buffalo people...this place will be absolutely mobbed. Great addition and now people dont have to drive to UB to get it.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

I wouldn't mind having a brick oven or more gourmet pizza / wine bar on Elmwood (Rochester has a good one near Spot Coffee there). We really do not have any options for that. I love pizza so this is a nice new option for me but I would like to see more thought put into the restaurant side with a nicer place to eat and spend time, not just takeout or fast food style.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

best pizza in buffalo. period. best of luck to john on yet another expansion..

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Speaking of pizza - does anyone know anything about the Jocobi's at Tupper. A sign has been up for a while....

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Although it's not the best pizza in the area it is pretty damn good. Plenty of NYC people I know do love it. It's the closest they can get in Buffalo that resembles what I would consider is a medium grade NYC pizza. Make sure you get cheese pizza, it's quite greasy with pepperoni.

I was surprised that he opened on Transit because of the massive size of the building, and from what I heard he got out and cut his loses, which was a good move.

I do agree that I wish more people around here did brick oven or gourmet pizza's. Siena does do a pretty decent wood oven pizza, but it's nothing to die for. I think the problem here is that places offer too much. If you go to a good Pizzeria near NYC basically all they do is pizza, not subs and wings.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

as a buffalonian who loves thin crust pizza, i am really excited about this. it is not gourmet but zetti's provides good nyc style pizza. i will stop ordering from mr pizza and just pizza as soon as zetti's opens.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

i think maybe the signs would look a little better if they change the color of the awnings, they clash badly, i think that any business is better than nothing and i think that this will be a good fit for that location given that its a high traffic area, both vehicles and pedestrian, its a shame that sahara had to close, loved that place but anytime i was there it was always dead so guess not surprised

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

There's a tiny place in Crystal Beach called Mabel's, corner of Erie Rd. and Oakwood Ave. Best pizza (NY style, everything homemade) for 400 miles.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

CHICAGO

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

As much as I'm a Zetti's fan, and am FIRED UP to have it in the 'hood, it is disappointing to see another Middle Eastern restaurant leave. What nobody's said yet, though, is how subpar Sahara Grill was. It's really not surprising at all that the place folded - I tried it twice since moving to Buffalo and both times 'twas like ordering during Middle Eastern day at the school cafeteria. Get a real falafel place in the neighborhood (and I'm not talking Falafel Bar, either, which is only a slight step up from Sahara), and I've no doubt it would succeed.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Agree. Went there twice. Wondered the second time why I went back.

replied to nu716
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Lots of Middle Eastern-related businesses popping up on Hertel east of Delaware. For a couple of blocks, it's like Little Sana'a, not Little Italy. Give the area a try!

replied to nu716
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

and I liked that Tunisian place when we tried it.

replied to Dan
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

I forgot that Tunisian place on Hertel was opening! I need to head over there.

replied to biniszkiewicz
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

I went to the Sahara Grill a few times. Whenever I did, the place seemed pretty empty.

replied to nu716
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

They better serve a Middle Eastern Pizza or Not In My Backyard to them. We will picket and protest until our knees hurt from jerking so much

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Listen to all this pizza snob talk....Coal vs fire, blah, blah, blah. Milano's is the pizza that ex pats crave. Hands down.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Never heard of it.

replied to donnybagadonuts
Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

I guess no one is aware of the city's desire to be in the Guinness B.W.R. for having a pizza joint &/or Italian rest. on every corner.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Ahhh! Nothing like a pizza post to drive up pageviews!

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Just to clarify. This is not NY style Pizza. IT IS New York Pizza. Growing up in the Big Apple, I know the difference between NY Style pizza versus NY pizza. Have eaten at his other locations and have converted my local Buffalonian buddies. Definitely an assett to the area.
Try it, you'll love it.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Every NY pizza I've tried was as thin, uninteresting, and bland as the pizza we used to have at our high school lunch cafeteria (just like west coast pizza).

Real Buffalonians prefer Buffalo style pizza. I suspect they'll attract students & yuppies not born here with no taste for our delicious tangy, thick, juicy local pizzas, or maybe those people who'd rather eat very light rather than get off their butt and get some exercise to keep fit.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

'Best Pizza in Town...Hands Down'???

Sorry, but your an 'outta town pizza' in Buffalo.

I've tried it. The cheese slices are a typical NYC-style...big...thin....and will satify many of the NYC students who grew up with that style of pie. It's 'OK'-period. The owners are a tad cocky about it to be honest, but we wish them success for investing in Buffalo.

In my opinion, it doesn't even come close to the best Buffalo-style pizza joints. I'll take Bocce Club or Milano's over Zetti's any day. The flavors are richer...the sauce is unmatched at both, notably higher quality ingredients, and the ovens are 'seasoned'--delivering a rich, smokey flavor. It's more satsifying.

AND for AUTHENTIC Italian pizza...it's Trattora Aroma. Done.

Score: 0 ( 0 votes ) Vote up Vote down Report this comment

Leave a comment

Buffalo Rising Poll