City February 10, 2010 11:41 AM

LMAO!

LMAO!
Whether you like Forbes never ending lists of city data rankings, there is a new one that has just been released that I find funny. And so do other people because they keep sending me links to the Forbes information. Actually the link is a redirect from the Yahoo! real estate section that eventually takes the viewer to America's Worst Winter Weather Cities. I was so psyched to go there and find Buffalo on the list so that we could use the ranking to bolster the spirit surrounding the Powder Keg Festival. Where on the list were we going to be?

As I started clicking through snowed-out image after snowed-out image (starting at number ten and climbing to number one) I kept wondering, "Are we next... are we next... did we make number one? There's Baltimore, Detroit, Columbus, Indianapolis... and then Minneapolis, Chicago, Milwaukee, New York City, Boston... we're #1?" Nope. As I clicked the last frame I saw the city of Cleveland... all the stats were there... all the data, the images... everything I expected to see, but a different city.

It started with a smile, then a chuckle, then a full belly roar... No Buffalo! Here we are getting ready to showcase our winterfest and now I'm hearing stories about how Buffalo is actually advising Philadelphia, New York and Washington on how to handle their bad weather. And then these stats are released and Buffalo's not even on the radar. Funny stuff if you think about it. Over the last few years my neighbor and I have actually gotten into fights over who gets to plow the driveway because it's a God-given right to perform the duty each and every winter. This year I've touched the snowplow twice and each time I ended up plowing over twenty of my neighbor's sidewalks just to get some quality time with the plow.

As we enter the final stretch for the Powder Keg Festival, we are even more thankful that Steve Stepniak, the commissioner of Public Works for the City of Buffalo has offered to help stockpile snow for the Skyway exit ramp tubing event. To think that lack of snow might actually be our biggest stumbling block in pulling off the festival...  

America's Top 5 Worst Weather Cities

1. Cleveland
Average Annual Temperature: 49.6°F
Average Precipitation: 38.7 inches
Average Snowfall: 58.9 inches

2. Boston
Average Annual Temperature: 51.6°F
Average Precipitation: 42.5 inches
Average Snowfall: 43.2 inches

3. New York City
Average Annual Temperature: 54.6°F
Average Precipitation: 49.7 inches
Average Snowfall: 28.9 inches

5. Milwaukee
Average Annual Temperature: 47.5°F
Average Precipitation: 34.8 inches
Average Snowfall: 47.5 inches

5. Chicago
Average Annual Temperature: 49.1°F
Average Precipitation: 36.2 inches
Average Snowfall: 38.2 inches

America's Worst Winter Weather Cities

10. Baltimore
9. Detroit
8. Columbus
7. Indianapolis
6. Minneapolis
5. Chicago
4. Milwaukee
3. New York City
2. Boston
1. Cleveland

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OMG, I was doing the same thing when I seen this posted on yahoo the other day. "Are we next?", "Are we next?" to see that we were NOT next. So glad other places have this title for once. LMAO Indeed!!!!

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It's not that I don't know how exaggerated and how stereotyped the rest of the US can view Buffalo winters, I've actually met people who think it snows from October through May in Buffalo, but what are Buffalo's figures in those three average categories?

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Buffalo got left off because Buffalo was too small to be considered. Buffalo is not in the "50 largest" cities that they looked at. Buffalo would have taken #1.

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ExWNYer is correct. I was thinking the exact same thing when I read the article. Where is Buffalo? Data wise we are worst then cleveland when it comes to snow. That is sad that Buffalo is falling to a third rate city due to our population decline. We cannot even get credit for our ****ty winters anymore.

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Unfortunately there is a simple explanation for this. Buffalo is not one of the 50 largest US cities, so it was not considered.

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how did they figure largest cities?
Buffalo's city limits are only 52.5 sq miles. looking at a list of the largest cities in the US, Jacksonville is listed as #13, but their city limits are 885 square miles (now THATS sprawl!).

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The comments following the article are amusing. "...what, no Buffalo???, no Erie PA???....somethings seriously wrong with this study!".

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Best I could find from noaa and city-data...

Average Annual Temperature: 47.7°F
Average Precipitation: 38.58 inches
Average Snowfall: 93 inches (sweet!)

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Thanks.

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Why do they use average "annual" temperature to rank winter. by the way using city limits as a measure is silly too. By that Measure Jacksonville is a bigger city than Boston. Just more proof that these Forbes lists are pretty simplistic and meaningless.

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i mentioned it because they have similar populations, but are completely disparate in sq miles- so i was wondering if buffalo had the same city limits, would it be on this list.

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It's a dumb list. If they used metro areas (like they should) Buffalo would be on there. If the city of Buffalo expanded to the size of Columbus or Indianapolis, it would be one of the larger cities in the country. The city of Jacksonville has a population as large as it's metro area, for example. That said, this is one list I am happy Buffalo is not on.

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@ ExWNYer - Not really... The best measure of a city+suburb's population is probably the Metropolitan Statistical Area, which takes the city's county, plus any adjacent county with less than 50% rural land, and counts the population. This is the best method of calculating a metropolitan area's population. MSA Population statistics are skewed by adjacent cities like Baltimore-Washington, San Jose-San Fransisco-Oakland, and Buffalo-Niagara Falls, but it's still the best measure. On the list of MSAs by population, Buffalo-Niagara (which includes Erie, Niagara, and Cattaraugus counties) ranks #47, with land area of 1,567 square miles. Columbus and Indianapolis are #32 and #33, with land areas double that of Buffalo Niagara. I suppose if you drew a 3000 square mile area around Buffalo (not including lakes), you might get a population closer to Columbus or Indianapolis, but I think the point is to only include population who would agree with the statement "I am from the Buffalo-Niagara area"

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This is odd because Forbes has considered Buffalo to be top 50 largest for other articles/lists. I assume the defining measures of "largest" change. I like snow. Being on this list would have been fine with me.

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I think the next time any one of us talks to someone from NYC, Baltimore, or DC in the middle of summer we should ask them the following.

"How do you deal with the cold?"

"How much snow is on the ground now?"

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Not sure on what planet NYC beats out Minneapolis, Chicago, or even Boston. Maybe they meant Worst Summer Weather.

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in the summer, NYC smells something like a hot-hobo-diaper. it is possible they are including the 'stink' factor.

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Maybe Buffalo has shrunk so much that Forbes no longer considers it a mentionable city. Maybe its fallen off the map.

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Another stupid, pointless list phoned in by the brain-dead "journalists" at Forbes. Did anyone's climate change because of this list? Suddenly Baltimore has terrible Winter weather (it usually doesn't) and Buffalo doesn't because it's not on the list? If anyone's opinion is changed by this nonsense, it's because they've never visited or lived in these cities. So let them be surprised.

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hey, if our omission from a brain-dead forbes list helps dismantle one of our more exaggerated stereotypes, even a little, i'm all for it.

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Someone enlighten me: what does LMAO mean? Are headlines going to be in textspeak now?

NCE2NOWLMAOM (not cool enough to know what LMAO means).

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Laugh my a$$ off. I enjoyed your headline, though.

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yeahyeahyeah

i stopped reading (and started laughing)after "quality time with the plow"

a concept only someone from Buffalo could appreciate

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I don't think Buffalo is in the top 50 by population. The region might be, but perhaps not the city itself. Anaheim, CA is larger with over 330,000 people and it is a suburb. Its suburban neighbors Garden Grove and Santa Ana have 200,000 and 300,000 respectively. These three just blend into each other like one community separated only by imaginary lines we call city limits. They are indistinguishable from one another as they appear to be one entity.

I suspect that Buffalo is not on the top 50 list for, at least in part, this reality.

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