Real Estate February 2, 2010 2:20 PM

Architectural Conundrum: Building for Sale/Lease

Architectural Conundrum: Building for Sale/Lease
Tyler Balentine, a realtor with Pyramid Brokerage, has spent a good deal of his realty career, looking to find a buyer for 385 Franklin, at the corner of Edward.

It was once a quaint Italianate villa, a private residence, but somewhere in time, someone thought to throw a big brick box up against it and call it commercial.  There's only one thing to think when stopped at the corner, waiting for the light and looking at the obtrusive addition: Can that be taken off?

It wouldn't be easy.  The circa 1900 house would need someone with tremendous vision and wherewithal to restore its original beauty.  The inside, though it shows traces of past glory would need to be nearly gutted, as walls have been thrown up here and there to segment offices, cheap florescent lights have been put in, and hallways have been blocked.  

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Still, there's a gorgeous staircase, beautifully arched floor-to-ceiling windows, and small marble-mantled gas fireplaces in nearly every room.

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According to Balentine, the house is eligible for state and federal historic preservation and rehabilitation tax credits, and you can own all 6,400 square feet for $259,000, or you can lease for a low $8 per square foot.  The current owner has recovered the roof periodically to keep the weather out and keep it sound, but the house clearly needs an angel.

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Who knows, at some point in the not too distant future, you may be sitting at a red light in front of this fully restored building thinking: I wish I'd had that foresight.

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That storefront is not that bad. Open up the windows to the size they were meant to be and get rid of the hideous color scheme. Put on a decent color. This could be a delightful urban corner. Spend the time and money on the main house. Preservation is not all about purifying the city.

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someone should turn it into a fireplace museum. they've got a head start.

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I would date this house to about 1870 rather than 1900.

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agreed. italianates were unfashionable by 1900. colonial revival was the new thing.

steel's right that the storefront can be greatly improved if it can't easily be removed. how about full length plate glass windows separated by pilasters, much like the classic cast iron storefront, topped with cornice trim?

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I have one similar up the street, we pulled a receipt from a front wall dated 1852.

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i thought building to the curb was supposed to be a good thing.

:)

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If they were built to the curb, where would the sidewalk go?

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I think BITTC is a sarcastic put down of peoples desire to see structures in the city with no frontal parking.

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Isn't there already some kind of ordinance against full frontal parking?

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In Buffalo, there's too many buildings with after-the-fact storefronts appended to the structure to count. Even along Elmwood Avenue, many of the former houses along the street have storefronts where a front yard once sat.

When was the storefront originally added to the building in question? It looks modern, but odds are it could date back to the 1920s, and was just subject to an insensitive facade "improvement" in more recent years.

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i think you're right. back before wwii, real estate was expensive and buffalo had a housing shortage. people had to maximize the return on their properties and a lot of owners slapped storefronts onto houses.

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Really between the start of WWII and the time when suburbs exploded. Housing shortages resulted from materials being diverted to wartime industry as well as the lack of construction labor while the war went on. The shortages got so acute that the government stepped in to build housing, primarily for defense workers. After the war, when the soldiers returned, they swelled cities and drove the movement out to the 'burbs, courtesy of the GI Bill and FHA mortgages. Before the war, homeowners during the Depression took in boarders to earn income and houses were often crudely subdivided. This commercial addition was probably a classic example of a second or third owner taking advantage of a busy street to maximize the income of this property.It was probably a tavern or diner in the 1920s and '30s. I'd have to wonder what kind of speakeasy potential the joint had. Bowling alley remnants in the basement are a sure giveaway.

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I agree. The facade shows no context to the historic main structure, but with a little vision, a more contextual, historically-inspired facade could be added to the wrap-around addition.

If you look up and down Elmwood, you will see that the street is FULL of commercial storefronts tacked onto what were once single-family or two-family homes. I had the wherewithal to point this out one time on a tour of the Elmwood Village way back in my undergrad days, simply wondering whether there was any resistance from the community back then when it was transitioning from a quaint residential street into a commercial one, fabric and all.

Every one of the storefronts in this picture is an add-on (http://www.metrojacksonville.com/photos/thumbs/lrg-6441-p1130193.JPG), albeit a bit more tastefully designed.

My point is that we shouldn't be looking at this as the “death and resurrection” of a historic building, but rather the evolution of the urban fabric.

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Absolutely correct. If you removed all the add-on storefronts on Elmwood Avenue, you would be eliminating the bulk of retail space in Elmwood Village.

Some of these storefronts were tacked on before Buffalo adopted zoning in 1920. Plans from the era called for Elmwood Avenue to be more commercialized. Notice where the storefronts are most concentrated; closer to streets that had crosstown streetcar lines.

In other prominent cities of the era, when property was converted from residential to commercial use, far more often than not the original structures were demolished, and replaced with new mercantile-style buildings, similar to those along Hertel Avenue in North Buffalo. Why appended storefronts tended to be more common in Buffalo, I don't know. I'm told appended storefronts are also common in Appleton, Wisconsin.

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Great background. Thanks! I think most people would agree that the tacked on storefronts along Elmwood Avenue are what make the strip so diverse and so interesting.

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In the 1970s, this was Jerry Raven's Limelight Cafe. What great memories!! Live folk music, nice ambiance. At that time, the Rue Franklin (a block away) had not yet expanded into a full service restaurant and was a similar kind of coffee house with acoustic music.

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No matter who eventually purchases it - they should call Payton-Barlow for the restoration and construction. They do amazing work.

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agreed

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I drive by this place at least twice a week and that intersection is always busy. It has a unique appeal considering it is from the 1800's (not 1900's). The homes in the neighborhood are similar but this one has more potential since it sits on the corner. Someone should put a restaurant in there while saving the vintage fireplaces.

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The Scientologists were in that space while their Main/Virginia headquarters, the former Catholic Union, was being restored.

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Lose the wrap-around and restore the house to period glory. It's not that difficult.

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Dear Buffalo,

I know what you're thinking. "This would be ideal for a conceptual ..."

Before you go any further, no. Never.

Love,
Ingvar.

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Lower the price and it will sell

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Unfortunately the cost of this building will probably dictate what, if any, renovations occur here. I don't think people neglect or half @ss renovations on purpose neccesarily, but rather lack the funds to do it properly. This would be a very expensive restoration to get rid of the addition and turn it back to a residence. Unfortunately the commercial aspect of this building may be what keeps it standing so it can pay for itself. There are plenty of better orignal residences for sale in the city that do not require this much work for the same or lesser prices. This would not be an ideal corner for a single family residence either IMO. There are certainly worse storefront additions out there.

Renovating the facade like Laughlins did a block south mixing modern materials with original elements might be their best bet in terms of making the addition more appealing without investing too much money.

I have a similar dilemma with my home. It's the same period and style as this building in the West Village. It so many renovations over it's life there's really no telling what the original layout was in order to restore it properly (interior wise). Having a very limited budget and orignal details to work from, I had to make decisions on what to recreate or restore and what to modernize. I feel I ended up with a good mix of "original" details and modern ammenities. It's easy to judge another person's property / renovation until you are forced to make the same critical decisions. At least this building is in no danger of demo.

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If those store front windows were floor to ceiling, a la HHL on Allen next to Town, then this place would have some pretty dramatic appeal, I think. It could make a sharp office building, suitable digs for lawyers or architects or accountants or whoever likes old mansions yet desires some retail-like exposure.

Big church parking lot next door; spaces can be rented.

A word of advice: Any time you like any place and you think to yourself, 'I'd buy this at $X', offer $X even if they're asking $Y. The worst someone can say is 'no'. Once in a while, they even say yes.

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sharp.

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If a storefront must be added or exists on a historic building then HHL is a great example of how I love the mix of new and old. Sometimes you cant restore the way you'd like so you may as well change it up the opposite way.

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I agree 100%. HHL tied together two existing single-family homes that had two different setbacks. The conference room addition helps to fill in the street wall and I love the use of artwork and greenspace. It really is a great building.

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Excellent discussion. The undesireability of the storefront relates to the sense that a solid, bland mass has been stuck onto this lovely Victorian residence. Not having stood at this corner, it seems from the image that the trick would be to diminish the mass by adding to the glass, lowering the color, and maybe adding some intracacy to the trim. I would separate the store from the house further by strengthening the roofline. Awnings might accomplish this. The owner might take some inspiration from turn-of-the-century (20th) storefronts.

Love the preservation discussions on BRO!

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