City January 5, 2010 12:16 PM

What's the angle on this corner?

What’s the angle on this corner?
If the corner of Elmwood and Allen is truly considered one of the most walkable corners in Buffalo, then what exactly is it that will make people want to walk there? It's true - this location is veritable walker's paradise. It's a hi-profile storefront with plenty of diverse destinations within walking distance, no matter what direction you decide to head. There's a charter school, a children's theatre, bars, restaurants, parks, an athletic club, historic homes, boutiques, antique shops... is this corner vacant because of lack of parking?

That's right - many people are saying that this is a tough corner due to a lack of parking. It's funny to think that that could be a problem when apparently the walkability in the neighborhood is so convenient. Remember when Eminent Design was at that corner? It appeared to be a very successful store... and they were in business for a long time. The store ultimately closed so that the owners could be closer to their relatives out west. Since that time the corner has struggled, but that doesn't mean that there's not a concept that will work there - a concept that will not require additional parking. Or a change of use. Eminent Design was a specialty boutique that garnered a devoted following. There must be another business that could do the same.

We really need something great at this corner since it is so highly visible. I would think that a quality clothing store would do well here. There are other fashion boutiques on the street that manage to do well without an abundance of parking. Allen Street Dress Shop is an excellent example of a boutique destination in Allentown (with very little street exposure). With so many kid's-related amenities nearby (Sweet Tooth, Charter School, Theatre of Youth), maybe there is an angle for something family friendly?

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Parking is NOT the problem, it's only an excuse. This IS the city, people WALK in cities.....Anyway. I would luv to see a cool home furnishing store or clothing store for the guys and girls here. We still lack a place for the guys in Allentown to shop for clothes.

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Perhaps more foot traffic aided by more housing nearby would help? Put up a couple mid rise buildings nearby and you have an instant expanded foot traffic market.

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That will be great, BUT then you'll have people fighting over thier parking lots. If ONLY we had the same zoning laws in the rest of the city as just passed in the Elmwood Village. Then we can just build an urban friendly enviroment from Allen St. right into Downtown and make this area of Elmwood Ave. vibrant like the rest instead of a sea of parking and a few scattered buildings.

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Does the city have a parking fund option where multiple businesses or developments can pool money together that would then be used to construct ramp facilities instead of creating surface parking lots for each and every business on each and every lot? Maybe something where every business within X distance (a walkable distance say 1/4 mile) of a surface lot predetermined for the construction of a parking ramp to serve the community could essentially pay into as a share to construct in lieu of actually having to put parking on ones own lot? I think this would be very important in the interest of maintaining dense mixed-use districts. Ramps are much better for a number of reasons, especially in Buffalo considering winter weather. You get the benefit of hopefully better secured parking, enclosed parking, reduced surface lots that deaden the street wall and create vast wastelands of blacktop, smaller parking footprint, verticality along the street and potential to create commercial spaces on the ground level with parking above. Parking becomes less of a burden on and less prevalent in the urban landscape.

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Parking is only a problem if your clientele insists on being able to see the front door from their parking spot and not have to cross the street or come in contact with poor people or people of other nationalities or people that dress funny or have too many earrings or earrings in nontraditional places.

Allen Street is the most intact urban commercial environment in Buffalo. It is a pleasant street but is not fulfilling it greatest potential. The metro region needs to stop warehousing its poor and mentally ill in this area. The city needs to plan discrete new parking and should encourage new investment through incentives. Healthy commercial strips like this make for healthy and attractive neighborhoods. Allentown is very nice but it is not healthy.

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On the short stretch of Franklin between Virginia and Allen, about 50 'patients' have been moved to other areas over the last fifteen years. It's been a real benefit to the street, with most of the buildings now being rehabbed (and rented to BNMC employees). I'm not sure how far they've been moved, or where they live now. Somehow getting these people evenly distributed across a number of communities benefits all.

replied to STEEL
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Agreed, housing all the mentally ill in one neighborhood results in problems, housing all the poor in one city results in disaster.

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What's the Sq. Ft?

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The front of the store is aprox. 1200 sq. ft, maybe a little more. With the back area ad a few hundred.

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To quote 1989's "Field of Dreams", " Build it and they'll come." All to say that if it's a place people want to be, they'll be there. I good example is India Gate at Elmwood and Forest. A few years before they opened there was a Chinese restaurant there (name escapes me) that was always complaining about how poor business was because of the parking. It wasn't the parking, believe me! India Gate is doing well because they have great food that no one in the immediate area can offer. There are lots of stable businesses around the city that are doing well without any parking to offer, save for on the street. If you have a product people want, nothing will stop them from getting it...not even parking difficulties.

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That location was Eminent Design for many years. Steel Crazy Store and Cafe was simply a bad idea run by people who really don't know retail or to run a Cafe. You could never tell if and when they were open. Plus, no one ever takes advantage of that great courtyard they have.

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I was going to comment that the store seemed "dark" most of the time - that goes along with your assessment.

replied to Perry
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Agreed. They really needed help with their interior lighting, bad. Was never a place you'd want to go in.

replied to MRodgers
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Yeah there may be illegitimate pedestrian fears in the city but the city has some real problems on the street level as well that are legitimate. I don't necessarily dismiss people' pedestrian fears as all crazy or biased. There ARE bad apples that walk amongst us all.

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Take advantage of the storefronts and display things that will attract customers, even if your wares are a product. (e.g. show people eating if you're a cafe). Under the previous occupant you couldn't tell if the operation was open or what is was. Confusing passerbys will not draw in anyone. Use lots of lighting to overcome the dark metal around the windows.

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Not that anyone wants to hear this, but from a business standpoint, I would think a 24 laudromat would work, and then sub the back room for a space needing a courtyard

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Actually that sounds like a good idea. High density, lots of renters and not everybody has thier own washer and dryer.

replied to KarlMalone
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Um, yeah, but there is a laundromat one block up on Elmwood & North, and one two block south as well...

replied to Armchair MBA
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A laundry mat would be a disappointment, but stable non the less. Anyhow, something accessible, the last thing Elmwood needs is another high end clothing store that no one can afford. It's an awesome location.

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I lived on the third floor of this building a number of years ago. It is an interesting corner for pedestrians. The little jog that Elmwood takes can confuse drivers, especially those making a right on red. The lanes narrow a little on Elmwood, so drivers heading south on Elmwood and turning left on Allen tend to block part of the oncoming driving lane. This usually leaves someone in the intersection after the light and crosswalk changes. Adding to the mess are people who are trying to enter the Towne parking lot or the lot next to Jim's.

I agree with the comment above that STEEL CRAZY was a good store with a decent product, but it was poorly run.

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I believe the owner of this building is the same guy that owns Frontier Liquor. Can't remember his name, but he seems to be an excellent landlord. I remember speaking with him when Eminent design left - he claimed to have offers from some pretty low end tenants (that no one would want on the street), but wanted to hold out for a tenant that would really fit in with the Allentown neighborhood. I think he did that with Steel Crazy, just too bad how it ended up being run. I hope he follows a similar path this time around.

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i always wondered about the buildings west down allen why haven't they all had the upper floors converted to apartments instead of being boarded up

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Most of those buildings have always had apartments upstairs, and still do. Which ones are you thinking of? (Mulligan's upper apartments are long gone, I know that)

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I frequent this area on a regular basis and have never had a problem with parking or traffic. Possibly this is due to my ability to paralel park and my ability to walk more than 50 feet.

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lol i love it

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Yeah, I agree. I'm down on Allen almost every weekend and I drive a Range Rover. I have never had an issue parking within 1 block of my destination even with my over compensating SUV.

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Umm....hate to quell the criticism, but hasn't anyone noticed that Steel Crazy has a new location at the Walden Galleria Mall? (Oh, right, it would mean that you would have to publicly admit to traveling outside of the city boundries to a..gasp...MALL.....)

Obviously, he ran a good enough business to open there. He was open during this past holiday season. Maybe, just maybe, Elmwood Avenue did not generate enough foot traffic to warrant the hours you feel he should have been open....?

I am wondering of those criticizing how poorly the business was run, were you either A.) a regular shopper at the store, or B.) own a retail business to make you an "expert"? Just sayin'

It kills me when most Buffalonians continue to bash their own home grown business owners.....never seem to have a nice thing to say. Try being positive and considerate for once about your own neighbors - the whole world becomes a different and better place when you can see the positive versus the negative.

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Agreed. People too often say something was 'poorly run' when they see a business move (in this case, I think commenters thought they closed). Retail is a complex equation of foot traffic/cost per square foot. I believe this business has other locations/namesoutlets (wholesale)... they made an effort here, I'm assuming that what they learned will be put into practice in the Galleria or elsewhere.

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If you read a little more carefully, you will see that it was the cafe' that was run poorly, not the actual steel business. There is no cafe in the Walden Galleria, they just sell art. The cafe was a mess, wasted wait staff, constantly changing hours, bad food, etc, etc etc.

BTW, pet peeve of mine, The Walden Galleria is a Galleria not a Mall. You will never see anywhere on its property the word mall. It really means the same thing but really calling it the Galleria Mall is like calling it the Mall Mall.

replied to LotsOfJobs
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qwerty98765: I was replying to Perry who wrote: "That location was Eminent Design for many years. Steel Crazy Store and Cafe was simply a bad idea run by people who really don't know retail or to run a Cafe. You could never tell if and when they were open. Plus, no one ever takes advantage of that great courtyard they have." Clearly stated within this comment was the retail aspect of the business.

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a smart entrepreneur will study the neighborhood and make note of what services or products it does -not- have, and act accordingly. scottw is right about redundant high end retail, especially dress shops. too many shopkeepers seem to think elmwood residents do nothing except attend fussy black tie functions.

oh, and the parking argument is bogus. a parking shortage, however imaginary, is actually a sign of urban health. where would you rather be - downtown buffalo (ample parking) or downtown toronto, chicago, new york, boston, washington (scarce parking) - need i go on?

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Blues bar / jazz club. A friend and I drove down Allen today and were just saying we need one akin to Chicago/Detroit/the dirty South and like the old Calumet.

Hey Lagniappes Allentown!!! How about expanding here??? More seating, full bar, live blues music, outdoor cafe, oyster bar...

I challenge anyone to top my idea / dream.

Parking, schmarking.

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Off topic, but did anyone see this? Yet another great portrayal of Buffalo in the national media...

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Buffalos-debt-collectors-apf-2226423347.html?x=0

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PDW; Shocking? Yes. Off topic, WAY. But an interesting read.

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someone enlighten me here. i wasn't living here during the last days of pier1 on elmwood. why won't a well known store work in this area? there is a lot of foot traffic, i believe, despite the arguing. certain businesses draw people to them despite their location. my wife drives ALL the way to rochester because it's the closest H&M. she goes all the way to the boulevard for GAP and Banana. there aren't people in the city who shop at these stores? enlighten me. anyone been to King St. in Charleston, SC? i've only been there once, so know little about it. beautiful city. this street is an outdoor strip, not like a shopping mall, with all sorts of great stores: lacoste, victorias secret, abercrombie, banana, GAP, Brooks Bros, Saks, Gucci, Jos Banks, Bebe, Lucky, and more. the urban outfitters is in an incredible old theater( http://farm1.static.flickr.com/155/359145381_2a57da0d8a.jpg?v=0 )

so why does it work in other places (got it, weather in SC is a bit different, but still)? it's not like this is a store on niagara st. this is a popular corner. elmwood and allen are both popular streets. why can't it work there? if those same stores as in charleston opened on a stretch of popular street in buffalo, like elmwood, people would still opt for the malls. but why?

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What happened with Pier 1 is that the land lord, who is notorious btw, raised the rent to (I was told) $14,000. and the Pier 1 corporation decided not to stay. That store did ok but they couldn't rationalize that rent for it's retail volume, so we lost it. I miss it much!

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King St. was one of, if not the premier shopping district in the ENTIRE SOUTH before the turn of the century. So much history and great architecure, in a city noted for its wealth and attractivenes to tourists. Elmwood would have to take it up a notch or two to gain that kind of cachet. Urban Outfitters ought to come in and maybe the Gap if the chain gets healthier, but Elmwood needs national exposure to be of any interest to high-end retailers.

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I agree sony**, The Gap did want to open a store here several years ago. They were looking at the lot at 770 Elmwood next to Wilson Farms at Auburn st. They wanted to do a two story building that (if I remember correctly) would have had apartments on the second floor. The whole thing got squashed over zoning issues (of coarse) and the general comments from the neighborhood was that they didn't want to attract the suburbanites (????) and local retailers did not want the competition.

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I can understand the Elmwood community's dread over big national chains coming in. They drive up rents for everyone else and could kill the Elmwood strip just as greedy landlords are destroying New York. It would be better if the big chains set up shop Downtown and leave Elmwood as is. But that might never happen. Canalside is the best hope for upscale national chains in Buffalo.

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That is a very interesting point sony, and not something that occurred to me as witty as I like to think I am, lol. Elmwood already has it's share of landlords who want rents that are too high for the area, that's all we'd need is a major chain to drive out the locals completely.

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I've been hoping for a Gap, Banana, H&M, Urban Outfitters, Apple Store, etc downtown ffor a very long time and no one has the means to get it started. If just one opened i bet it would start a trend, if only one would start :(

replied to LouisTully
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There is nothing to get started. If there is sufficient demand for product or service, retail will follow.

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We don't have a Retail Marketing Group in this city to let national retailers know about the available space's and areas that they would do great in. I don't understand why the building owners and local developers (downtown-Main Street) don't all get together and work out a plan to market their space for retailers (clean them up and make them presentable to meet thier needs and demands). Let's start with the 500 Block, Theater District, around Lafayette Square and so on. We have the space and demand, let's get these big names down here.
All this talk of luring National Retailers to the waterfront and not one person is wondering why we are'nt trying to get some of it in the Center Of Downtown that already has people and space? Come On!

replied to PaulBuffalo
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National retailers don't rely on localities to inform them of available space; they rely on demographics for zip codes and then search out opportunities in areas that make sense for their brand.

For example, if the zip code 14201 had a high income level and good foot traffic, it would be quite easy to attract national retailers. Take a look at at this website and look at the numbers for 14201. Do you see anything there that would entice a national retailer?

http://factfinder.census.gov/servlet/SAFFFacts?_event=Search&_zip=14201

Local retail can be the answer until the city turns around and there's nothing wrong with that.

replied to Lego1981
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They used to say that about high end downtown housing too.

replied to PaulBuffalo
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Not the same thing. Retail never leads; it follows the marketplace. There are people who want to live downtown. That's not a surprise. When more people with more money move downtown, then national retailers will follow.

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I remember hearing tales of more "advanced" cities making use of their obsolete warehouses by converting them into apartments back in the 90s. People would say that wouldnt happen here citing everything from building codes to cultural intolerance, lack of amenities, poorer older population etc, similar reasons given on why dt wont happen. That changed when 1 or 2 builders took the plunge and now there is an entire neighborhood in the central business district.

Somebody mentioned in a previous discussion that starbucks at one point said they were not interested in downtown until they saw the success of Spot and rode their coattails.

I understand national retailers have their guidelines of where they choose to locate but that can be circumvented when someone else demonstrates that their is opportunity. Downtown will be a much easier sell to retailers as it grows but if one sets up shop and succeeds, others will follow.

replied to PaulBuffalo
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BTW, complete side note.... charleston has a GORGEOUS bridge
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Ravenel_Jr._Bridge

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On the laundromat idea, I agree it would not be as attractive. However, if you did it right it would actually be a great idea. If anyone here has ever been or lived in New Orleans then you may be famliar with a washateria. Basically, it's a bar/loung that is also a laundromat. Instead of going and putting your laundy in and waiting around on a bench it's also a place to hang out, get a drink, food and play some pool or darts. The problem with the laundromat on North and Elmwood is that it was so unattractive that I would drive all the way to Auburn and Elmwood to use their facilities. If this space was more than just a laundromat it would be very successful and add to the vibrancy of the neighborhood. You would just have to add the ammenities and image the other ons are lacking.

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That's what I'm thinking, the laudromat a few blocks away is a dump but does serve a segment of the population, but this would be more neighborhood gathering, interaction orientated. Give it a funky name "Gyrate" or something and play off its jag location by having black and white zig and zags or hypnotic circles so motorists notice it as well. Create an eyesore but in a positive manner

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like lake effect laundromat at main & oakwood? coffee, pastries, tv, sofas, wifi, and there are even machines to wash your clothes!

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I know most won't want to entertain this idea, but a Starbucks on this corner would be awesome. Yes, I know it's a chain, not unique, etc... but we only have three in the city and they are so spread out. It's perfect for the pedestrian crowd and great for those of us who don't want to drive up the Elmwood cluster to get a good cup of coffee. The Chippewa location is not convenient. The lack of parking spaces (in that parking lot) wouldn't be an issue if it were in a walkable neighborhood. Starbucks on Allen and Elmwood is perfect. It will also bring a quality clientele to our hood. The only argument I can think of is Towne across the street. Personally, I don't think their product is similar enough that it would affect Towne's business. Plus, a Starbucks could help improve the overall appearance of this corner and its surrounding businesses. Jim's Steakout (nasty), the little bodega on Elmwood (nasty), Holly Farms (nasty), etc... I live in Allentown and I love it here, and love the edge, but I wish it were a little cleaner. And I've always wished for better and CONSISTENT coffee options (aka: NOT Spot). Having Starbucks here would really help make our hood much more appealing for walkers, shoppers, residents and other business owners.

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I'm afraid I agree with you. A busy, 24/7 coffee shop like Starbucks would present a recognizable name on a very visible corner. Or maybe Coffee Culture, which I haven't tried yet.


That "confusing" jog in the road should be marketed as an opportunity, not a problem. That site is at the end of a long vista, which a savvy business operator could capitalize on.

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I luv the idea of a Starbucks in this spot. Can we contact Starbucks Corporate office and sell them on this?

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There are already coffee shops in Allentown, and if there were a new one I would hope it would be a local chain and not f*cking Starbucks. Jesus Christ, people, where's your Buffalo pride? There are multiple great Buffalo coffee chains, we don't need another Starbucks. Keep the money in the region-- we need all the revenue we can get.

As for parking, I don't understand how it is a problem. There are multiple public parking lots in Allentown within a block of that intersection. There's street parking with meters as well as non-metered parking on the sidestreets. I frequently find parking in Allentown on weekend nights, so surely people just aren't looking in the right places? If you live within a mile of Allentown you should probably be walking or riding your bike. If you're coming from a northern suburb or North Buffalo, there's the subway which lets off right at the corner of Allen, making it less than a mile walk to the Elmwood-Allen intersection.

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the majority of buffalo coffee shops SUCK. they are inconsistent, run out of items, keep ridiculous hours. anyone ever attempt to get a meal at cafe 59? if you work until 5, you're screwed.

that obscure place on elmwood, near allen is closed most of the time i'm walking past it. and it just doesn't seem welcoming. where else in allentown can you get a GOOD cup of coffee?

while i DO support the local businesses, spot coffee is one of the most frustrating places because their product never tastes the same! instead of reliability, you get a changing menu, bad coffee and incredibly SLOW service. and we're supposed to be okay with that because it's a buffalo product? hells no. at starbucks, i KNOW the products is going to be good. EVERY time. if spot wants to keep up with starbucks, then they need to keep up with starbucks.

there comes a point when you have to say pride shmide. we need some credibility to the outside world; something to help put us on the map. it's very upsetting that to do most item specific shopping, we need to go to the suburbs, Toronto or Rochester. it sucks that i have to go to the mall to get Mac products. and i am not going to buy a $250 dress from an allentown or elmwood shop when i can find the same one at H&M for $40. same goes with coffee.

hence, the turn over rate of so many local-run businesses here. i give merge one more year, tops. i'm a vegetarian and love their idea. but last time i was there, they didn't even have any half & half. (what??) and didn't have several things that were listed on the menu. VERY frustrating when trying to support a local restaurant.

starbucks will bring more revenue that ANY local coffee shop. and it will attract other businesses. it has staying power, which so many others here do not.

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One visit to Merge was enough for us...a year??? If they're lucky! All your points are good ones btw.

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Steel Crazy is in the Walden Galleria Mall. What does that tell you? Access to more customers is what it tells me. Its cold out in Buffalo +/- 4 months out of the year. Right now its 14* outside. I sure as hell am not going for a walk to get something to eat or to find something to hang on the wall. Don't get me wrong. I hate the mall and avoid it at all costs. But, there was nary a parking spot to be found there over the holidays and that's where the customers are.

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How about a BYOB Jazz super club????

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*supper not super.

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