
Statler's Fate: Who Will Step In?

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Not a bad idea. If they donated a dollar for every television and radio commercial of theirs that airs, it would be enough to hire a few engineers to maintain the boilers, and keep the place heated enough to avoid free-thaw water damage.
Uri Kaufman seems to be all about lofts. Maybe that's the best route, but The Statler's rich history as a hotel should count for something.
Nice article. I agree with Hoyt here, not Higgins.
I agree with you, too, Sony: It would be a shame not to have this become, at least in part, a hotel featuring the original splendid lobby and beautiful ballroom, etc.
The Liberty Building is filled with law firms. A number of law firms used to call the Statler home. Given the relative proximity to the courts, the Statler should kick the Liberty Building's butt when courting law firms. With adequate investment in rehab, I'm sure some future developer will find success working that niche, at least for a portion of the building.
I think the key to the Statler lies next door at 135 Delaware.
Nothing is going to happen with this building until the parking issue is solved.
The only solution I can see is someone buying both the Statler and 135 and converting the lot that 135 sits on into a massive parking deck. Something with a covered skywalk that accesses the Statler on the 2nd or 3rd floor.
how impossible is underground parking under an existing structure in that area to primarily serve the statler? too much work/ money? legos and lincoln logs are as close as i ever was to an engineer.
One would think that the Statler would need around 300-500 spaces, depending on the use. I think it would be next to impossible to put that under the building.
I just spoke to a structural/civil engineer in my office - there is no way this building could be underpinned (structurally secured from collapse in oder to work under or next to an existing foundation wall) in a cost effective way - it's just too big with very heavy materials (existing masonry construction). the next developer will need to find an alternative parking solution - I liked the idea of a linked structure...is that adjoining property for sale?
as for the building use, everyone has opinions but the market has to bear it and Buffalo has millions of SF of vacant office space and I'm not sure about demand for hotel rooms but my sense is that we have saturation on that as well. Mr. Kaufman's lofts would move...IMHO
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Has anyone had a chance to see the rooms of the Statler in the past decade? I know the ballroom and lobbies are grand, but I wonder what has become of the actual hotel rooms themselves.
Anyone have pictures or an idea of the condition they are currently in?
I worked for Issa and know this building really well. There are only 3 remaining floors left with original rooms, the rest of the building has been gutted or converted to office space. The rooms are in pretty great shape all things considered. There are quite a few corner rooms that are really big even by today’s standards. One of the things we started to do was adjoin the really small rooms into a single room. The 18th floor has been completely gutted all the way to the roof deck and would probably blow away the Avant if converted to Condos / Lofts. The other vacant floors have been gutted and are pretty much ready for build out.
IMO, the problem with Issa and others is for some reason they feel it necessary to renovate the building all at once. If they worked on getting the lobby and mezzanine levels done first with a restaurant, lounge, and other small retail, (plus Park Lane), they could probably get enough revenue from rents to cover operating costs while venturing up to renovate for lofts, hotel, office etc. This building is in excellent shape and wouldn’t take much to keep it going. I think the tenant left because of fear of whats happening to the building now, prior to that I believe they were covering the costs at least.
Like brownteeth, I too worked on the project for over a year and also believe the building is in great shape and very viable as a hotel, condo and office space with mixed use restaurants, jazz clubs, lunch counter, retail... even the roof top terrace space we developed that overlooks the BEST view Niagara Square anywhere in town. Asbestos is a real problem and an expensive one, and one where complete removal vs containment is not all that clear...
Parking is a real issue as well, and to all the people talking... do you honestly think we all worked on this project for over a year and never came up with parking concepts! Seriously people... The original building was structurally designed to accommodate a 4th tower (not by today's standards mind you) so a 4th tower was considered and even schematically designed. 135 Delaware was even "pre-designed" and even considered a "sky bridge" that crossed Mohawk to ease movement of both cars and people. Valet at another location was considered but dropped due to difficulties meeting peak hour demand from users. We even considered building an underground parking deck below Delaware Ave and Niagara Square and even looked preliminarily at the underground schematics and ramifications of such.
In addition to parking we schematically designed roof top terraces for cafes and dining, as well as possible pool area for hotel and condo uses. We developed a plan to put trees on this block of Delaware to reduce the 20' of blank pavement in front of the building by using the now defunct vaults along the sidewalk edge as planting areas, we look at and presented to the city traffic calming measures with pedestrian bump-outs and areas of refuge for those taking their lives in their hands crossing any of the streets that make up Niagara Square.
The project may not have developed into what any of us wanted, but Bashar's vision, and due diligence to understanding the real issues and possibilities of the building were real and genuine. The talented group of architects, landscape architects, structural, mechanical, electrical engineers, interior designers and the amazing building engineer did genuine and thorough work on the project.
Actually now that the building is 100% empty it would be a good time to remediate all the asbestos that is hindering future development and would make this historic building that much more appealing to potential investors. Think about how "shovel ready" most of this building would be if that were out of the way now. Perhaps the court appointed trustee could use the downpayment funds from New Statler Development to complete the remediation (or at least start it). That was a huge issue when the building was occupied because all the floors shared the same chaises where a lot of the Asbestos hot spots were. Just a thought.
This could be a truly revolutionary idea in pushing the statler redevelopment forward. If the city were to undertake the environmental remediation of this property, a huge fiscal burden would be removed from the final cost of the project, making it more likely the project can be redeveloped.
remediation of environmental health hazards as economic development incentive
so what emerged as the best and most likely parking solutions?
I've seen some of the old rooms. They were just empty. Not in bad shape.
>If UB determines that it would be in the best interest of the students, the law school, the university as a whole - great," Hoyt says. "But UB has to decide if this is consistent with their mission, and I wouldn't use my influence to bully them into making that decision."
That is also the UB talking point. I do not agree. The original and *primary* purpose of setting up the SUNY system, was to be of direct service to the local community---thus the current "geographically distributed comprehensive system of diverse campuses. . .to address local, regional and state needs and goals." We pay for SUNY through taxes and (in my case) substantial tuition for self and family members. Any movement of tens of thousands of people, millions of spending dollars, and hundreds of thousands of square feet, affects our town dearly. I expect my elected representatives to take into account the interests of their constituents in the non-academic community.
The primary mission of any and all SUNY campuses is to provide high quality, lower cost higher education to the residents of New York. Thus, the campus provides 'direct service' to the community by ensuring a steady stream of educated individuals from around the state and world. The mission is not, never has been, and never will be to provide a government backstop against all poor decisions that happen in the City of Buffalo.
I know there are tax incentives and such to complete this sort of remediation. There's no way the Dulski/Avant would have ever been bought and developed without the federal government giving them huge breaks that basically equalled out to the building costing nothing but being asbestos free at the end. I don't know the details on any of that but I did hear that from reliable people in the know.
What if the City took over the building with this huge surplus Mayor Brown is bragging about and developed the building themselves? Although a nice idea, UB shouldn't be blamed for taking over a building they have no interest in that doesn't really serve their needs. If anyone should take responsiblity and step up to the plate it should be the city. This will be their crown jewel of missed opportunities if they don't.
>the campus provides 'direct service' to the community by ensuring a steady stream of educated individuals from around the state and world.
In this case, ReginaldQMerriweatherIV, both viewpoints can produce the same result. The exciting synergy of the downtown legal world can indeed provide a "steady stream of educated individuals from around the state and world". Proximity of judges, courtrooms, professors, law students, government administrative offices and the County Bar Association can attract and keep good graduates, professors and judges. It would focus and strengthen UB alumni support---vitally important as our population and assets diminish.
I agree, that in a different world, were UB were as wealthy as Stanford, this could be an exciting opportunity. UB, however, has a limited budget thats getting ever tighter as NYS economy collapses. The opportunity cost of rehabbing the Statler to duplicate services is enormous, $100 million minimum. How many endowed research chairs in genomic and biotech reserach could we fund with that money? How many grants could UB award to Hauptman-Woodward? How many additional students could we lure to UB with increases in scholarships and loans. How many biotech start ups could receive venture capital from that pool of money? The opportunity to expand the educational mission across all of its discplines will be harmed if UB were to allocate the money needed towards rehabbing the Statler into classrooms they already have.
>>>The. . .purpose of setting up the SUNY system, was to be of direct service to the local community---
>>the campus provides 'direct service' to the community by ensuring a steady stream of educated individuals from around the state and world.
>In this case, ReginaldQMerriweatherIV, both viewpoints can produce the same result.
Georgetown Law, for example, one of the most sought-after schools, extols the advantages of its close proximity to federal agencies and courts as its main selling point.
I am 21 years old with a passion for this city and all of it's gems. Surely, a building such as this could use some of my elbow grease, and I'd love to volunteer weekends to contribute to the cause. Is there any sort of organization I could join to do that?
While this situation gets sorted out, they could use you at the Buffalo Central Terminal.
Hey betheloudest,
I know you're young, but did you ever hear the phrase "pissing in a river?" If you haven't, you should look it up.
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and thanks for your optimism...Buffalo needs this!
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Shouldn't they put the Law School outside of ECMC to cater to the ambulance chasers?