City January 2, 2010 5:32 PM

"The future has taken root in the present."

“The future has taken root in the present.”
For many, Merlin's was one of those bars that you loved to hate and hated to love - "A dream to some... a nightmare to others!" - Excalibur. It was a haven for obnoxiously loud motorcycles. It was the best place to get clams (for many moons). The owner continued to patch the ripped awning with beer signs until it finally disintegrated. A variety of local musicians called Merlin's 'home'. It was one of the few patios on the sunny side of Elmwood - a perfect place to drink a beer and people-watch when the sun went down. Many of the girls I know would choose to walk to the west side of the street when passing by so as not to get ogled to death. There was some good, some bad and a whole lot of ugly.

Maybe you've heard that Merlin's has finally closed its doors (again - apparently tax problems). I have mixed emotions regarding the closing. The majority of thoughts that race through my mind (regarding what's to come) feature a cleaned up restaurant or bar - something a lot classier than what was there... a lot classier. Then there's another part of me that is a holdout for something a bit seedier - something that might add to the hip-ness of the street while keeping the yuppy factor in check. I'm a big fan of a mix of people and offerings. Maybe we could get another music venue in there with an owner who would actually take care of the building... something like The Sportsmen on Amherst Street. Keep the music scene alive, but make it comfortable for everyone. Sell some late-night burgers and light up the old electric guitars on the building (with neon). Clean it up, but don't buff the floors. Repair the awning and get a real patio enclosure, but keep the domestic blue-collar beer selection.

It will be be interesting to see what eventually goes down at the corner of Elmwood and Breckenridge. For years I've watched that bar close, then open, then close again. Each time I crossed my fingers hoping that the next run would be better than the last. It never happened that way. If I'm not mistaken, the biggest changes that Merlin's ever experienced were the fires that blazed through the upper floors. To this day I'm shocked that the place is still standing. Here's to a new decade for a building and a business locale that certainly could use a new lease on life.

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Not good news. I went in there about 3 years ago when I returned from DC and ordered 2 rum and cokes and 3 beers. The bill was like 12 bucks and my jaw dropped. The place was a sh**hole and the front was always a source of eye displeasure with the patio issue, but it did have a ton of character and its not a good sign to see the place close.

It could be a great place with new ownership, liquidity and if it could figure out a parking arrangement. People with cars have the money, regardless what the stoned, broke hippies say.

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Maybe they could hire you to scare the hippies and old money types away. If you dont have the stomach for it you can at least talk about it on line just like you do for the Place.


I agree with you that pedestrians and neighborhood residents should not be considered for whatever redevelopment goes in this building. Forget what works, this thriving block needs this eyesore removed for a shovel ready site and or off street parking. Maybe then the suburban types will think were cool enough to hang around with.

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What do we really care of what the suburbanites think? Why do [we] keep concerning ourselves with their opinion about our neighborhood and how it function or what it has to offer us?

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He cares deeply about what the suburbanites think. ILUVPITBULLS has a serious inferiority complex with the suburbs it is evident in most of his/her posts. There is concern about the suburbs because many urbanites have a victim mentality about the 'burbs. They feel that the suburbs are the reason for our shortcomings and they need to pay for it. ILPB has a great deal of contempt for the suburbs and masks his/her insecurities and anxieties with a sense of moral superiority and righteous indignation for those who live in the suburbs.


At some point s/he might realize that we are all just people with common interests, goals, and dreams. This city vs. suburb thing is a smoke screen that keeps us from addressing the real issues with our city.

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So my city boosting a reflection of "contempt" and an "inferiority complex" and your city bashing and name calling is not?

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The fact that you see criticism of the city as "bashing" speaks volumes about your inferiority complex.

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Jimmy>
"No one cares about the area around the bridge. The people who call the shots don't live anywhere near there and the people who do live near there don't matter all that much."

"We are the welfare city!"

"victim mentality"

"You know who I am talking about, the woman who has 10 children by 10 different absentee fathers who appears on the news at Thanksgiving time."

Sounds like city bashing to me.


There is a big difference between being critical and running people down to build yourself up. Im sure your bitter comments toward the city and innacurate generalizations of its residents make you feel high and mighty but dont try to say your spiteful remarks are intended for constructive criticism.

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immy>
"No one cares about the area around the bridge. The people who call the shots don't live anywhere near there and the people who do live near there don't matter all that much."
--- Taken out of context, I was speaking of the people making the decisions about the Peace Bridge expansion and how they might feel about those in the area. Nice try though.


"We are the welfare city!"
--- Truth hurts!


"victim mentality"
--- Again, the truth hurts!


"You know who I am talking about, the woman who has 10 children by 10 different absentee fathers who appears on the news at Thanksgiving time."
--- Again, taken out of context. This was a discussion about the difference in perceptions about the poor. This isn't city bashing though, it was a gross generalization about the poor. I know this got your uber-leftwing-liberal panties in a bunch though.


Sounds like city bashing to me.


There is a big difference between being critical and running people down to build yourself up. Im sure your bitter comments toward the city and innacurate generalizations of its residents make you feel high and mighty but dont try to say your spiteful remarks are intended for constructive criticism.
--- LOL! Now you are getting it. You do this all the time, you try to build up the city by putting down the suburbs. You are quick to point out that the suburbs are xxxx or the city is this way because the suburbs did yyyyy. You are quick to paint the entire area of WNY with a very broad brush, but you get very defensive when someone mentions Buffalo in a negative light.


I wonder how long you spent trying to dig up the references you used. They were pretty weak, and I think they prove my point that criticism is not bashing. We are a poor city with corrupt and ineffective politicians who are more concerned about not making a move that would jeopardize their future, even if it were done for the better good of the community. We continually make decisions that shoot ourselves in the foot, we lack direction and guidance on what we should be working on to make the city competitive again. One of the first things we have to do is to admit we have a problem and that we own the problem. The problems in Buffalo are not the suburbs fault, the suburbs are not going to come in here and fix them for us. We got ourselves into this mess and we need to work together to get ourselves out of it.

If that is city bashing in your book, then oh well. I really don't respect your ill-informed opinions, and victim mentality, that much anyway.

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I see pitbull playing defense most of the time, posting comments in reponse to the usual attacks on all things city. I can of course relate due to a lifelong experience of defending my choice to stay here in Black Rock. Why shouldn't he be offended when he obviously has pride in and hope for our city?
Your idea that there are relentless attacks on the suburbs is downright silly. Other than a few debates here on BRO and in the small circle of new urbanism it is generally pro suburb to a fault. The media, government, big business have all embraced the burbs and continue to view city living as a novelty for artsy types and other non comformists.
We do need to take control of our destiny here in Buffalo as you often point out but doing so requires an honest and blunt discussion with our neighbors. It takes a region to destroy a city, we all are responsibe, we all must do our part.

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This isn't a war, we are not choosing sides. I am not attacking the city or defending the suburbs. Saying something positive about the suburbs is not an attack on the city and does not require a defensive strike in retaliation. Saying something negative about the city is not an endorsement for the suburbs, and also does not require a defensive strike against the 'burbs. Why can't we have a debate about the issues in the city without bringing up the suburbs and the people who choose to live there. As I have stated before, people have chosen to live in the suburbs for a variety of reasons, many of which are due to very real issues in the city. If we want those people to live in the city, then we will probably need to fix some of these issues first.

I contend that there is just as much ignorance and over-generalization about the suburbs as there are about the city. We paint both with very broad strokes of negative stereotypes. I have no qualms with the role of the suburbs in the decline of the city; however I do not support using it as an excuse or a crutch. I definitely do not support the mentality that the city is in the state it is in because of some mass conspiracy orchestrated by the federal and state governments, the literati, and others to hollow out the cities just to see them decline. That to me is a little far fetched and tends to be a convenient re-write of history.

If we want to fix the issues with Buffalo, then we need to take responsibility for the issues in Buffalo. If we don't, we will be having these conversations and pointing fingers for another few decades.

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ILUVPB - Here is the thing that I find funny about your comments. You stay as far away from facts as possible unless they are in your favor. I post objective comments that include facts and figures, citations from reputable sources, and references to specific reports or sections of laws. You typically won't reply when I include facts, you only reply when I offer a quick opinion. You like to take things out of context or parse out the section that supports your argument and then throw out the rest.

What are you afraid of? If you want to refute or challenge my posts, then do so with facts instead of just opinions.

Last week BLACKROCKLIFER posted: "I know the data out there can help us sort things out but I put more stock in my own observations and experience. Statistics can be manipulated or more often not take into account the many variables inherent in the human condition."

In other words, he takes his own perception and feelings over the facts. I do respect where he is coming from because at least he will step up to challenge and will admit when his perception is biased or incorrect. I admire him because at least he stands up for his convictions and admits that his comments are based on perception and experience.

ILUVPB on the other hands will not stand up and challenge, and will never admit that he is wrong. If challenged, the response is usually an ad hominen attack on the commenter that usually includes some reference to being from the suburbs. As I stated above, I don't respect your comments because they are just baseless opinions meant to attack other commenters.

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I call into question your "facts" on a regular basis. You usually just repeat the same stuff that I challenge over and over until the person you are talking to gets sick of hearing the same response. Remmber when the cvb guy called you out on spreading misinformation and you still wouldnt let the conversation die? Right jimmy, we are to believe a commenters rhetoric over sombody who actually works there.

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Or you could consider it a difference of opinion. Perhaps you would take the word of someone who worked at Worldcom or AIG over the external analysts. I am not at all happy with the lack of progress at the CVB, that is something I have been vocal about to the former director of the CVB. I don't have a lot of facts about the CVB beyond what is available online. I did offer facts on budgets for other cities, and left it at that. The majority of my concern for the CVB is based on my opinion, and I hope that the new director will be far more effective than the former one.

Do you think the CVB is doing the best they can do? Do you believe they are as effective as they can be? Do you believe their $5M budget is spent effectively?

These are opinion statements.

There are many comments that I post where I cite references and facts, and you tend to take those as opinions because they don't align with your limited view of the world. You have yet to respond to my comments and challenge the facts, just the opinions. I am comfortable with that if that is all you have to offer.

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Combining our own observations and experience with the available information on a given subject is the only way to provide an intelligent comment.

Statistics and internet links are much more likely to impart a bias or lead to incorrect conclusions.

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Turn your sarcasm meeter on.

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Turn your attitude off.

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How clever.

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A rather throw away comment when there's nothing intelligent left to say.

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Im not sure what else there is to say in response to what you said earlier. Is picking a fight over the internet on your to do list today?

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When people don't agree with your opinion it's a fight. Lay off the caffeine dude. My NAME is on here btw.

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Scottw:"When people don't agree with your opinion it's a fight. "

There is nothing wrong with airing conflicting opinions on a message board. My back and forths with "Jimmy" and "Karl Malone" are just an airing opinoions on various issues not a fight. I dont have anything personal against them and vice versa since we dont even know each other. Who knows, we might be pals now and not even know it. A public message board ought to have conflicting opinions to crate a healthy discussion. If you dont like reading our "fight" than change the station.

But why single me out for something many others participate in?

Scottw: " My NAME is on here btw"

Is that a hint? Have a wronged a Scottw in the past and that is the reason for the pi$$ing match? If so im sorry for the hard feelings as Im sure none were intended. You are welcome to pick fights whenever I post like my other buddies. I promise not to take it personal if you wont :).

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I have to say you're right there. Sometimes passion can over ride ones sense of what's appropriate and when. Truce and thanks.

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No problem.

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Wow, serious rage issues. You must have been that kid in school everyone picked on and wedged all the time. You are truly a toolbox, Poodle. I feel sorry for you but it sounds like there's a lot of company in that group.

Stop in the Place and will give you another wedgie for old time sake, not that it probably has ever stopped.

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The place? Oh no I wouldnt dare cross an internet tough guy like youself. I would no doubt be in trouble if I ran afoul of you grinding your axe on the internet. There is no telling what someone willing to badmouth others from the saftey of his computer is capable of.

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Same tired dribble. Get some new material. And I said I would gladly give you a wedgie in person not over the internet, unless you want to tape me giving you a wedgie and post it on You Tube. I'm good with that to loser.

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BTW: I am crushing you if you are keeping score.

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Whatever makes you happy in your own little world.

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You just can't stand losing can you. I would think you would be use to it by now.

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Malone>"I am crushing you if you are keeping score"

Malone>"You just can't stand losing can you"

You are right and I ought to be ashamed. I had no idea i was participating in this contest you made up and have no idea how points are scored but that is no excuse. Ill never be the internet badass you are. I should start griding the old axe by making spiteful comments about total strangers on blogs. Then maybe you will think Im as cool as you.

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Poodle: I really only go after you because you are such an easy target. If it was a competition I would have to pick up my game too to match you though. I would have to regurgitate the same old tired insults endlessly, comment endlessly, and post like:

Poodle> "I'm insecure"

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Score 1 more 4 the big man.

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Swoosh...

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I would love to buy it. Anybody want to contribute?

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iIf you promise to name a drink 'Drew's Holy Water," I am in.

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what about naming it 'Holy Spirits'...

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Maybe have a live crucification instead of a band during Friday happy hours.

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But I have nothing to wear for a live crucifixion...

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yes, talk to the boys on Lafayette!

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Good riddance...hopefully

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i hope that another, only slightly less seedy, bar opens in its stead. that section of elmwood needs and deserves a decent bar, not a bar restaurant and, please god, not another restaurant. is a basic watering hole with a decent juke box too much to asx for?

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Agree 100%. At the most, put a fryer in the back to offer wings or fingers, etc. Offer live music a few days a week. As hilaritee stated, there are PLENTY of restaurants and bar/restaurants in this immediate area...diversity of options is a good thing!

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We say the same thing every time you head back to Chicago.

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Every neighborhood deserves a good cheap corner gin mill. But then again there are plenty of not so expensive bars on Elmwood already so I am not as sad to see this one close.

The place could definitely add a bit more to that area of Elmwood because it was something that people would cross the street to avoid. We will see

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Hands down the worst bathrooms in Buffalo, however this was a great place to see local bands get their start. I've seen tons of awesome bands play there. It wasn't the best place for a gig, but it was always a good place to warm up for bigger gigs. The set up isn't really made for bands, so I don't think it will be that missed by bands, but it may be missed by people who go out for live music. I think the only time I ever went there just for a beer was when I was getting my bike tire worked on at Campus Wheel Works. Other then that I only went there to see bands.

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GOOD RIDDANCE!!!!

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this is the best news i have heard about the neighborhood i grew up in and lived for years, Merlins has always been a blight on the Elmwood strip, it attracted lowlifes and drug dealers, was on fire twice! and in contrast to what is happening with Elmwood Ave. these days, has no place in such a wonderful neighborhood! I hope the landlord chooses a better tenant this time around!

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Word on the street is....Shatzel is going to buy the joint...which might not be such a bad thing. To be completely honest, I really wish i could afford it. This area of Elmwood is DYING for a decent place to grab a drink. Juniper sure as hell didn't fill the void and Cecilia's is fine in the summer on the patio, but I'm not fan of the inside bar.


As for the previous comment about Merlin's having the worst bathroom, there is NO way it was worse than the Pink. In fact, perhaps BRO will do a post on most disgusting and best bathrooms in town.

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Mohawk and Pink are def at the top of the list as far as worst bathroom goes. That would certainly be an interesting article.

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You'd have to throw in Checkers and the ladies room at the Brick Bar.

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Golden Swan

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The fact that the door was ripped off the men's room stall in Merlin's speaks volumes ... absolutely zero effort was put in to maintaining basic facilities. That said, I had good times there, and probably will again when it reopens some day. But easily the men's bathroom was one of the worst in the city ... and I hung out at the Continental.

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it really is too bad this joint closed, i for one was a big fan of this place...i've had many great nights in this place (many years ago). i wonder how many of you who are calling this place a blight or good riddance actually spent any quality time in here...sure it was grimy, seedy, sometimes scary, just like the continental, the old pink, and a few others...but what they have is a certain character which cannot be manufactured, a quality that was real, and not to mention local musical heritage which no matter how you may feel about it made the place interesting, interesting enough to evoke emotions out of many of you...i'll miss this place the way i already miss the continental...great memories, but who knows, as merlin said, "arthur, you brought me back...your love brought me back...".

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Elias,
I can understand your sentiment around Merlin's, however you don't live within ear-shot of the place. You don't have to walk past the "types" that are often standing out in front of it when you're walking by to go to the store. You likly don't have Harleys by the Dozens blasting down your street all hours of the night on there way to Merlin's, and revving their bikes out in front of the dump.You probably haven't come out in the morning to find your car has been damaged by one the these people who had way too much there.
Aside from that it's a dump and if the owner would have just put SOME time into it it wouldn't be so bad. He never has and never would have, so bubye Merlins, don't let the door hit you in the ass.

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scott, i can certainly appreciate your wish for better quality establishments in this section of town, without a doubt...but your argument is full of assumptions and generalities...you don't know where i live or for that matter where i used to live to assume i have an outsider's perception of the establishment...assuming that vomit, piss, drugs, vandalism, degenerates and bikers were unique to merlins is pretty naive, those conditions can exist in any neighborhood anywhere for whatever reason and frankly they're a fact of life in the big city...if you don't like it, i suppose the suburbs can offer you tranquil quality of life to suit your needs...and harleys, oh my, they only exist on the intersection of elmwood and breckenridge, the noise! i need to move to a different busy street where harleys don't cruise down!!! it's all merlins' fault!!! what ever shall we do??? merlin, help me summon the dragon...

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These are not assumptions my friend, I live here, and I've lived near other bars and clubs like it or better. Nor am I suggesting that these things only happen here, don't be an ass. My point is simple, clean up the act or take it somewhere else. Merlin's has not been a good neighbor and is unlikely to ever be a good neighbor. Man, iluvpitbulls is right about one thing, most of you feel really safe about being complete asses in the safety of your own homes. I said nothing that should have offended you elias, an apology is in order here.

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scott, you assume that i do not live in the immediate area, you do not know that i did live there for a couple of years in my 20s, how could you...so i guess that makes us both asses now doesn't it...you use the laws of probability to assume that motorcycles don't cruise down my street, well my friend your assumptions are wrong again, making us both asses in that case too because i am right off parkside ave and the sound of harleys crusing up and down at all hours of the night drives me up the wall, so yeah i'm a bit offended that although you may not have intended it, you safely assumed from the comfort of your own home that i probably dont have similar problems or have intimate details of the happenings there...we'll agree on this, they should have definitely cleaned it up a bit...i generally don't ever back down from my comments, but since you seem like a good law abiding citizen (i assume) i offer you a sincere apology for me turning up the sarcasm meter on you...one more merlin quote from excalibur..."when a man lies he murders some part of the world..."

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I can say that we agree on most points, and by complaining about the Harley's down Breckenridge all hours of the night, I in no way assumed that that was an issue unique to this street. I love living in the city and to do so one must take all of what it has to offer, good, bad or otherwise. Mentioning the Harley's was merely a talking point to go along with other reasons why I'm glad the place closed hopefully once and for all. Fact is my neighbor across the street owns a Harley and drives everyone up a wall with it, that and his inability to play the bongos. All you can do is live with it. A cheap corner gin mill CAN co exist in this neighborhood and should, I'll reiterate though that it needs to be a good neighbor, that's all. The owner of Merlin's obviously does not care what happens in and to the place, his track record proves that. A responsible tenant and even MORE responsible land lord is my wish for the place, be it Merlin's or what have you.

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This closing makes me wonder: How many 'corner taverns' remain in Buffalo? All of the ones which I frequented in the 80s and 90s, between lunch/dinner breaks and evenings off, are gone. All of the fish-fry taverns which I was taken to in the 70s are LONG gone. They're becoming the stuff of legend, really. Try to find a nice old place with dim lighting, cheap beers, good fish, and Bing Crosby on the jukebox (the real kind, full of records) ... ancient history - along with any place where you can relax and have a quiet conversation.

Wait... there is one ... Scharf's Schiller Park.

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clean it up, put up a bunch of TV's and give us a decent low-key sports bar where you don't have to feel out of touch by not having a sweater vest or cabbie hat on...ie a normal guys place, but not so skizzy you have to second guess wearing sandals in the place during the summer months. Besides Benchwarmers and maybe Casa there isn't really a sports type place like I've descirbed IMHO...there are plenty of places that call themselves sportbars but usually they're just bastardizing the term to the extreme.

simple bar stock as well: BEER (not too fancy please, I love fancy beer but I want a place I can't get it...strange, I know, but people need this kind of place). LIQUOR: again, simple. no flavored vodkas, etc...

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You're right Dak, a simple hang out.Some where that you can slip in abd catch a game, or the news for that matter....but please, MAINTAIN IT! Be responsible to your patrons and your neighbors.

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Here's an Idea...We let someone purchase the bar and do whatever they want to it, turn it into the best incarnation of whatever it is the owner wants it to be. Then, if we approve, we show our appreciation with our patronage, enabling his success. If the new merlin's doesn't cut it, don't go there and it will close down and the whole process can start over until something successful makes it's debut.

Or we can just legislate exactly what it is Elmwood needs right in that exact spot thru codes and enforcement. And should this new business fail to turn a profit? Don't worry, it's BERC to the rescue. Michelle Barron and co. will know exactly what to do to get this joint humming along smoothly.

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I, for one, am sad to see this place go. Everything that was just said about Merlins could also be said of The Pink or Nietzsche's, yet I cannot imagine Allen Street without those institutions. Every time we lose a Continental an Icon, or a Merlins, we lose a little bit of what makes Buffalo a unique place. I love newer places like Benchwarmers and Morrisseys, but they're not exactly places that couldn't be duplicated in any other city anywhere in the US. These gritty and grimy holes in the wall, the ones that are not one of many establishments owned by the same millionare investor, are the places that give our city its flavor. And when a place that has existed for decades finally folds, we should feel a sense of loss. Who knows? We might end up with RealtyUSA office or another dollar store in place of Merlins. And even if another bar opens up, it won't have half the character that Merlin's had, and it certainly won't have its history while I'm still young.

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One last statement about "corner gin mills";
The Essex Pub is a prime example of how a cheap corner dive can be a nice place to go. The owner CARES about the place.

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i am new to Buffalo... 6 years still qualifies me as new right? so i don't know all the history of Merlins and the others.. but my favorite bars in the other cities i've lived in (Al's Meadow lounge, Rochester, The Hammond Lounge in Brookline, MA) have always been 'dives'... something i'm missing here... but living in EV, i do want to see a nice gin mill open up... the upper elmwood bars (north of Bidwell) seem a bit collegy to me at times... i do love Hutch's bar, but $8 beers wear thin quickly... so, i think, selfishly, as i can walk, slide in for a quick beer, etc, that the next rendition of Merlin's should be a BAR, serve some food to soak up alcohol, etc, but be a BAR... cheap(er) drinks... and just make it so i don't feel dirty walking in...

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