Congressman Higgins Backs UB in Statler Redevelopment
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Leave a commentThe comments made by Brian Higgins are an insult to everyone involved in the UB2020 planning process. Higgins has the audacity to assume that he is more knowledgable in university planning than the team that spent YEARS putting together UB2020. He is simply trying to benefit from the Statler's uncertain future by putting guilt on UB. The way he went about suggesting investment by UB was completely ignorant. As a current student at UB I can only offer my humble opinion, but putting the law school in a building isolated from the rest of the university (specifically inter-related departments)would reduce the quality and diversity of education available to students. UB is already splintered into three campuses and the last thing we need is another displaced concentration of students. I just hope that the general population is involved enough to realize that what he is suggesting is a needless distraction to the revitilization of the Statler Building.
actually if anything moving the Law School downtown would make a great deal of sense...law school's are generally disconnected from campuses as is, far more so than other graduate programs: they're not often 'interdependent' on other departments but rather practically operate on their own... on top of that, it simply makes sense to have a law school right across the street from a brand new, prominent federal court house
UB's Law School offers a number of dual degree options requiring significant involvement with other graduate programs. http://law.buffalo.edu/Academic_Programs_And_Research/default.asp?firstlevel=3&filename=dualDegrees
yes, dual degrees of course. however, and a current student would be great to hear from, but as is with the MUP/JD dual degree, i'm fairly certain there isn't a whole lot of simultaneous interdependence from all involved departments. so i don't think your claim of involvement of multiple grad programs is completely accurate. the dual programs are pretty much split. when you're a student of one, you're that schools' property. you're not doing research simultaneously between law and business schools. of course i may be wrong, however i don't think the excruciating 10 minute commute from DT to UB south is a deal breaker. especially when if required it would be rare, if at all, for law students to go and play with the other programs.
Thanks to Higgins for pointing out the joke that UB 2020 is. The South Campus is a 10 minute train ride from downtown. It should have been the crown jewel of UB 2020, instead the "planners" ignored it until forced to acknowledge its existence.
Medical students can take the train downtown just like law students and save the state billions in construction costs while doing so.
The "planners" decided to move the medical school downtown because adjuncts thought it was inconvenient to travel 10 minutes to teach. That makes as much UB sense as the rest of this, spend billions to relocate, instead of giving a few adjuncts a train pass.
As a fellow UBer and potential law student I completely agree with you here. This plan makes no sense in the context of UB's comprehensive plan. The Statler deserves to be redeveloped as a world-class hotel or into high-end condos not gutted for classrooms and courtrooms. Locating the Law School onto UB's South (Main St.) campus just makes the most sense. Proximately does not play as large a role in the legal field as much as it does in the healthcare field. They're not engined for economic growht. As you mentioned, the Law School offers many joint degrees and once the South Campus becomes the new hub for professional degrees (Law, Architecture/Urban Planning, etc.) it'll be much easier to foster an interdisciplinery education when the programs coexist on the same campus. Also UB South's E.B. Green designed campus is a much more appropriate setting for a Law School (esthetically speaking).
i wouldn't be too sensitive or insulted about anything associated with this topic. after all, it was supposed experts in the field that determined amherst to be a splendid place for a campus. UB2020 coulda worked their balls off, like i'm sure the planners did in the 60's, but it doesn't mean 2020 is the end-all course of action.
Typical Buffalo. There is a public planning process. No one cares. Somethign happens re: said plan, someone of influence gets involved or some reactionary group of residents is formed to attempt to stop something they had ample opportunity to play a role in the planning process.
Progessive this city is not. Be it the "find anything to stop the Peace Bridge" approach employed by the NMG or Higgins, Esmonde, and Termini's after-the-plan-has-been-adopted AND the Statler has been mothballed ideas to turn the building into the UB Law School.
This place is short on vision, unless its presented with something they don't like, then suddenly everyone is 20/20.
Reactive is what keeps this region down.
A toast:
To the University at Buffalo- the cause of, and solution to, ALL of Buffalo's problems.
/apologies to Homer J. Simpson
eh, no need for apologies. adaptive re-use of a fine quote.
the point often brought up of UB being a savior is a good point. i wouldn't be adverse to UB having a larger presence DT, or the law school relocating. what's the huge problem with it? having a strong presence in the university heights area benefits that district, whereas the DT area should be able to rely more on actual businesses, preferably private. i guess that's as deep as it goes for me: a strong investment from one of the largest regional entities; and the need for dependence on non-public funded organizations.
Dear Buffalo,
I'll tell you what's NOT going to go in the Statler ...
Love,
Ingvar
Thank you! I loved it. - Helga
Seriously, much as I think it's a good idea, UB 2020 has been drafted and adopted. If those involved in the planning process would have wanted to see a law school downtown, it would be in the plan.
Siting the law school at South Campus would contribute to revitalizing the campus, and stabilizing the University Heights and southwest Eggertsvlle areas. Besides, the South Campus is only a short Metro Rail ride away from the courts and downtown law offices. In turn, the law library and other valuable resources of the law school is a short Metro Rail ride away from downtown, and also more accessible for law firms elsewhere in the area.
No, I see this as just more of the same with you Brian.
The Outer Harbor is still under NFTA control.
The Power Authority still rapes us.
And your whole argument about the Skyway blocking off the waterfront is hysterical and pathetic.
Surprise me and grow some balls and go after the big money, the stimulus funds and build us a true downtown campus! Dont just throw some ill thought out crazy idea out there without taking into consideration the UB 2020 plan and expect us to buy it just because you said so. Give me a break and get your orange ass out there and get us some dough!
I would love to see Genesee St become a part of this plan. :)
"With the possible exception of the Power Authority, no other state agency has the same level of impact on Western New York as UB."
Seeing as the State is more than broke, making the WNY economy even more dependent on it sounds like the same old bankrupt crap that's regurgitated endlessly.
Maybe Bass Pro can put move in and save us all.
The planning UB 2020 zombies come out in full force - they try very hard to look like Jane Jacobs but act/think like Robert Mosses.
How come UB 2020 never took into consideration the wishes of law students who voted "overwhelmingly" for a downtown location? Isn't collaboration with all stakeholders essential to any successful plan?
If South Campus is "going" to be the professional hub of UB under UB 2020, then why was the Regional Institute allowed to FLEE its location? Unfortunately, it appears that the people behind UB 2020 have no desire to make UB one of America's great universities.
Sounds about right. Its a plan designed to enrich a few of those in the know. Who is going to benefit when Simpson and Company start selling off state land for those public/private partnerships. It won't be the NYS taxpayers. You can bet on that.
Anything that Andy Rudnick wants so bad can't be good.
"How come UB 2020 never took into consideration the wishes of law students who voted "overwhelmingly" for a downtown location?"
where was that stated?
nice name btw
Louis - During the Spring 2008 term the law students held a plebiscite - I believe the vote was overwhelming for (90%?) for a downtown campus. Most law students would argue that the results would be similar if another vote was held today.
The Robert Mosses tendencies of those who organized UB 2020 discounted and ignored the pleas of the law students.
Agreed with the lame-brain comments about Higgins. For one thing, he is a little late out of the gate (many other politicians have already stepped behind the cause, and the Statler isn't even in their district.)
Also, what was his intention? To SHAME UB into action? Yes, we all agree it could be a great idea but you can't get blood from a stone. Let's find another smart alternative.
And, I would be interested to hear more about Rudnick--I have to say I agree that things about him smell really funny.
To get an idea of the future under UB 2020, try finding anything out about the "Buffalo 2020 Development Corporation". It received $138 million of your tax dollars. Who are the board of directors, employees, other decision makers? How is the money being spent? Shh, its a secret.
i think this entire site makes me more depressed than i was when i typed in buffalorising.com. i remember when i first started coming on this site i would get ganged up on for being a negativity train. now i feel like i'm the sister mary. where'd all the nice people go?
Brian Higgins is a champion for populist causes that are out of his control. See Skyway and Route 5 Project as examples.
Thanks for visiting Buffalo Brian.
The real question that needs answering is how does Higgy Bear keep his wig from blowing off in the wind out there?
Don't EVER get in the path of Brian when a camera or microphone are around. You WILL get injured.
This windbag dandy LOVES photo ops and self-promotion.
Brian must be reminded of this everyday. Georgetown University moved its law school and library off Georgetown campus about 7 years ago. In fact about 5 miles off campus to the foot of Capitol hill. They located it in a commercial district within walking distance of the DC courts, and several specialized federal courts,like the US Tax Court, the Indian affairs court, etc. Plus within walking of Union Station . I am not a judge of law schools, but I think in that instance you can say success speaks for itself.
30 comments and no mocking of the podium. Hmmmm.
"30 comments and no mocking of the podium. Hmmmm"
He's White.
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Being a local, I agree with Brian Higgins.
Being a student, it makes no sense.
UB makes additional money by having students live near or at their campuses. Whether it's food or shopping, UB gets money by the students being there. When you set up a Law School further away from the campuses, it doesn't allow the university to make as much profit, hence students and our taxes flip the bill. You could put those same dining facilities and shops, but the profit will be lower because less students will go there.
Besides all that, there are transportation costs. Now we'll need direct transportation to the Statler.
I would personally love to see the Statler get fixed and it would be nice to have a law school near the courts, but c'mon THEY SHOULD HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS BEFORE BUILDING NORTH CAMPUS.
I see why you did'nt choose to go to NYU. That university is spread out through almost all of Manhattan. So, I wonder how do they do it, being so spread out?
I respectfully disagree.
Like Lego above me used NYU as an example, LOTS of Manhattan-based colleges (including other private, SUNY and CUNY institutions) do just fine with buildings scattered around town; commuting doesn't really hurt anyone except lazy undergrads that want to wear their pajamas to class and have the "big sprawling campus" experience.
UB already has the Stampede in place that works just fine shuttling me between the two campuses. Adding students to neighborhoods will only encourage more businesses to set up shop there.
Look at the East Side of Manhattan around 23rd/Gramercy before the School of Visual Arts started it's expansion, and look at it now. Almost two completely different neighborhoods.