Real Estate December 21, 2009 12:01 AM

Rooms for Rent, Space for Lease

Rooms for Rent, Space for Lease

A new shingle has been hung at the Hyatt hotel- "For Lease."  Pyramid Brokerage Company has been retained to refill the retail space in Six Fountain Plaza, a three-story building fronting both Main and Huron streets.

Up to 12,000 sq.ft. of space is available on the ground floor and the sunken plaza level.  The building opened in early 1985 2005, one year after the hotel.  Both were constructed by developer Paul N. Snyder.

Built as office and retail space and designed to complement the hotel's atrium, the building was converted to a conference and training facility in 1997.  M&T Bank was an original ground floor tenant but later closed its branch after buying and moving to Goldome Center across Main Street. 

The space is being marketed as ideal for a salon/spa, bank, or boutique retail.

Get Connected:  Art Judelsohn, Pyramid Brokerage, 716.691.9329

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This is the perfect picture to showcase both the terrible obstruction that the Atrium and the Convention Center do to our downtown.

I suppose its good news anytime office or retail can be filled but this 3 story building is no great contribution to Huron or Buffalo.

It does however provide yet another opportunity to remind Buffalonians of a higher calling for our city.

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Could'nt the owner, FINALLY Re-Do this section to make more sidewalk space available? Especially if and when Main Street is re-vamped for traffic again. Now that space is empty, this would be the perfect time to RE-DO this.

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Now imangine if they had left that big green building alone? We could have been or already had that filled in with new lofts, condos and or offices today. But instead, we are left with a three story eye sore that sticks out too much over the sidewalk. Gotta luv progress indeed.

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Should we imagine that Buffalo hasn't also lost more then half its population and most of its industry?

What about unlimited funds? Should we imagine Buffalo has access to that?

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i have a hunch that it cost more to demolish the masonry office building and put up the pitiful glass box than it would have cost to rehabilitate it. not to mention the hit to the tax rolls.

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i don't see your point. the question is "is what is there now better than what we knocked down?". the answer is clearly no. jobs are obviously an important factor in the life of a city, but just as important is the built environment. people move TO places for the built environment, and they do find uses for the empty spaces (if they're any good).

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i understood your rhetorical "should we imagine Buffalo has unlimited funds" question to be a reminder of our unfortunate budget situation.

to which i respond: buffalo always has unlimited funds when it comes to demolition.

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yes, the buildings that were there were better than whats there today.

as far as a park, buffalo has sitting on a bench weather less than 6 months a year...what downtown needs are wind breaks and shelter from the weather so that more people walk our downtown streets...and open earth so rain will go into the ground rather than forcing our storm sewars to overflow into our rivers. Nice glass awnings that let the sunlight through, large evergreens that can act as all season wind breaks and canopy trees that go up multiple stories and also act as a wind break...perhaps simple ivy ground cover.

I wouldnt call it a park, wouldnt call it a pocket park but its enough to certainly provide a break from wind, rain and snow for the pedestrian.

Last thought, Snyder needs to come to terms with the future of the Hyatt. The convention center cannot stay in its present downtown location no matter how many political connections Snyder pulls. The Hyatt along with the Liberty need to go residential and Snyder needs to get onboard with the funds for a new Hyatt at a new convention and conference center location.

If we can convert the Graystone, Statler, Liberty, Dulski (Avant) and Hyatt to full or partial residential then we can get more retail downtown and we can get new Class A office construction built, as well, as more of our historic buildings redeveloped.

The Hyatt is doing more than just blocking Genessee Street. Its holding back residential space and its holding back the future of our convention center.

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They're called "linear parks". See earlier BR story http://www.buffalorising.com/2009/12/road-trip--spear-street-linear-park-in-san-francisco.html#SlideFrame_3.

Parks serve more purposes than just sitting in them. You've actually mentioned two: wind breaking and water permeation. Varying the built environment with natural greenery is another benefit, whether you walk through it or just see it.

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I think you mean 1985.

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The biggest legacy problem with Buffalo is that it has been way too 'progressive'

I hope something can fill the space but unfortunately the building itself is NOT retail friendly. Even if there was a business in here it would look and feel empty and outdated. Few people will notice. As you can see the facade along Huron is hidden under the overhang making it look dark and permanently closed.

The Main Street side blocks people from getting to the business because of the pit and stairs. While in some places it works you still need strong simple, access to the ground level floor. Think Newbury street in Boston. You can go down to the lower level retail... but you can also just walk straight into the shops like any other street.

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Any reason to keep this? Knock it down.

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Okay, we all agree that the Hyatt's design was at the cost of some really nice buildings in it's block and Genesee Street. Let's remember that the original plan was to tear all the buildings down and start with new construction (and still close Genesee). It was built and now the question is to make the best use of what is there now. Retail in this corner was always a bit awkward being kind of split-level with the street. This may want to be altered. Once Main Street is reopened, I think this could be an important and valuable corner for retail again. It's recently shown it's value as a movie set (across the street).

While we're at it, could we start wishing the Bank of America building across Huron add some street-level retail at Main?

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Knock it down for what? A suface lot? Whats going to replace it? The convenion center ramp was knocked down years ago and a surface lot sits there to this day blowing a huge hole in the urban fabric along Huron. Not that the Convention Center ramp was of any value at all but either way what replaced it? Buffalo and WNY has a population and demand problem.

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How about a tree-lined linear park? I'd take the corresponding section of the next surface lot to the west in the picture. This opens to the East onto Roosevelt square and the Electric Tower.

The building exterior is so hideous and incongruent, removing it would be an improvement. And I say that as someone who patronized the salon in the basement for more than a decade. The inside of which is not dated, btw. They moved to the Avant.

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A park is nice and all, but we have more park space per capita than any other city. This is our "urban core' and the last thing we need is a non revenue generating place for bums to ask me for change as I pass through. This is an awkward corner no matter how you slice it. The only way this space will become viable, aside from a complete overhaul, is for retail to pick up around it so people actullay think to go to this area for shopping. At that point it will be more obvious that there is something going on there.

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"more park space per capita than any other" Actually we are just the opposite and have much less park space for our population than most other cities of our size.

That being said I agree that we shouldn't demolish this building, even though it is ugly until there is a higher and better use.

While note great it isn't a drive through McDonalds or anything really that bad. It falters because of its dated appearance and design decisions but many of them could be fixed with a little attention. There are plenty of other places, already empty, to put a park is we so desired.

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Of course I do not know the exact person to sq ft of park ratio in Buffalo but there never seems to be any congestion at any of them leading me to believe they are suitable for our typical use. Anyway, my point was that green space has its place and this area requires more density of buildings rather than a park.

I would love to see main street filled with more national chain retail such as an Apple store, Gap, H&M, and stores that will draw suburbanites and Canadians into the city. I've said it before but a "boutique" size Wegmans would be great too. I know it's a longshot but if just a couple notable stores moved in I could see a flood of more once it is know as a retail destination.

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I do believe it will take a Retail Marketing Team to actually work with downtown developers and property owners, contact the National Retailers Investors, sell them to Downtown with special deals (rent free for 3-6 months, free build to suit, free advertising for time being, etc.) and get a big name to at least one per block downtown while still marketing to the local boutique shops that are already here or interested in moving in with the same special deals. ...Then we might see downtown as a retail destination again. BUT, everyone needs to be on the same page and work together in order to make it happen.

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That's exactly my point. It would mean the local developers working with each other to market that whole area to national retail which of course is not likely. Local shops are great too and would provide a nice infill of unique items. There is so much potential there even without auto traffic that it could still be successful. It would only take a couple of big name retailers to start a chain reaction.

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because we have had about 2 generations of almost everything new degrading rather than enhancing our communities, parks are the knee-jerk response to every empty space. resist this response. downtowns need good urbanism not bad ruralism.

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They could also re-open Genesee St. and MOVE the Atrium (the dinning inside it) to the other side (Huron @ Pearl St.) And have the original Genesee Street Entrance as a MAIN Entrance to the Hyatt as it was the Original entrance to this building before it became the Hyatt. This way, it's updated and we don't have to look at that Rainbow Mall Looking 1985 Red lined glass crap anymore PLUS we get to re-open a street again. It'll be a win win.

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The old buildings were wonderful, and losing them obviously knocked us a peg lower on the architectural, retail, and urban scales.

But it's time for us to stop reminiscing and wanting. It's time for us to start liking what we've got.

The current three story building is far more in scale with Buffalo's current financial and population reality, and retail demand. It is far more "renovate-able" than the old building would have been. Sean Brodfuehrer gave a great description of the awful exterior; this building MUST have a relationship with the street, and MUST be renovated to establish that relationship, ESPECIALLY to support retail.

Does this building do what it's supposed to do? Yes. Can it do it more successfully? Yes.

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I wasn't making a practical suggestion. Featuring this property on this site, albeit to let the community know of its availability, invites such gut reactions.

We all seem to agree that the tacky red-trimmed glass should go, no matter which building it is on. I'd be happy to swing the first hammer or throw the first stone. Join me?

And thanks to Sean B. who I believe has previously provided citations on the low level of parkland per person in the Buff.

Still, I would like both Genessee St. restored, and a linear park starting at Roosevelt Square and running all the way to Delaware Ave. That would be a pretty picture.

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Was looking at this addition with Steel over the weekend. While we owe Mr. Snyder (and all of us taxpayers who pitched in) a debt of thanks for the preservation of E.B. Green's Genesee Building, the best description I've found for this corner appendage is "Moonbase Alpha" architecture.

I agree with my pal Dagner that this corner could stand a drastic reconfigure in the context of a streetscape plan for Huron which could be a spectacular link between some significant places and neighborhoods downtown. Significant funding and leadership would be required.

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While I agree a streetscape plan for Huron would be nice I disagree with putting any type of park here. How would that add anything to the lack of infill we already have in our city center? I also agree this building is hideous but it is doable if the surrounding area picks up with retail. I bet this spot wouldn't looks so bad then (in terms of usage not aesthetics). I just disagree with the whole attitude of putting in parks on every parcel whether or not there's a better use there. That won't add to the density we are already lacking, especially at the most center core of our city. A renovation of the facade to make it more consumer friendly would be the best adjustment for this corner, not any type of park, that's why we already have parks in the areas we do, lets fill those with people before we add more. Besides, I would think Main st will be a lot greener once they overhaul it for traffic and bring back proper sidewalks with trees and such.

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How about a business training center.
I have some great ideas about how businesses in Buffalo can SURVIVE THE DOWNTURN through some simple six sigma / lean methodologies.

If SnyderCorp would consider this an opportunity to sponsor a "community service" presentation, we could do a weekly one hour presentation. FREE?

I'm willing to provide the content if they provide the room / coffee.

To learn more, contact Mike Weekes at 941 356 9434.

I just returned to Buffalo and want to help US return to a place we can all be proud of, even more than now.

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Paul Snyder is a tool.

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