Real Estate December 5, 2009 12:01 AM

Road Trip: King Edward Hotel- Jackson, Mississippi

Road Trip: King Edward Hotel- Jackson, Mississippi

Formerly written-off, "unsalvageable" buildings have been restored in many communities including Buffalo.  There are a few building types that are most difficult to bring back, notably railroad stations and historic hotels.  Finding a new use for a rail station is a challenge, particularly if it must be repurposed.  For a large, old hotel, restoring former grandeur is labor intensive and expensive.  

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Developers in Buffalo are looking to restore the Statler and Lafayette hotels.  Both have seen better days and each will require significant investment to restore and reuse them.  Rocco Termini is putting together a reuse plan for the Lafayette Hotel while the potential buyers of the Statler are still trying to finalize a purchase for what is anticipated to be an $80 million renovation project.

Many people see the buildings and cannot envision a new use or new life.  Half or more of commenters on Statler stories in The Buffalo News push demolition as the only viable alternative, despite evidence locally and nationally that restoration of such a large building is possible.  In fact, as seen in the rebirth of the Book-Cadillac Hotel in Detroit and elsewhere, rebirth of a historic hotel can be a watershed event for a community.

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The King Edward Hotel in Jackson, Mississippi is a historic property once destined for a date with the wrecking ball.  The building had been vacant for over four decades.  Just cleaning out the building, including removal of 18,000 pounds of pigeon droppings, took three months.  The Statler is in mint condition comparatively.  It is a project that would not have gotten completed without a great deal of government intervention, but it has turned out to be a beauty. 

The hotel has been restored to its 1920's heyday and is now the Hilton Garden Inn Jackson/Downtown.  The Clarion Ledger has the story on the $90 million transformation:

What was once decried as a symbol of Jackson's crumbling downtown is set to be reborn as the latest step in revitalizing the heart of the city.

Mid-December is the target time to open a 186-room Hilton Garden Inn inside the building, and people are set to begin moving Jan. 1 into the building's 64 one- and two-bedroom apartments.

"I knew we were going to get here," the project's developer, David Watkins, said of the final stages of a seven-year effort to revitalize the historic building. "It just gives me (chills) to know this property is going to open in Jackson."

It looks to be one of the most significant steps yet in turning downtown's fortunes around.

The city has lost a sizeable amount of people to fast-growing communities in Madison and Rankin counties over the years, and Jackson's business and community leaders hope the King Edward restoration and several other planned mixed-use developments will bring people back to downtown.

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Watkins and his investment partners, including former New Orleans Saints and University of Mississippi running back Deuce McAllister, endured their share of setbacks and challenges to get to this point.

Watkins had to overcome losing the initial bid to restore the hotel, which had deteriorated into what he described as inches-thick piles of bird excrement and debris from the old hotel, surrounded by decrepit walls and broken windows, on many of the floors.

King Edward's status as a historic building added extra layers of scrutiny to the exterior and interior of the building, and developers had to hash out various details with city and state officials.

Watkins estimates 40 percent of the project's cost was related to meeting historic-building standards. It also added a year to the construction process.

Along the way, he was able to secure a $2 million state loan that replaced a cancelled $2 million federal Housing and Urban Development grant, as well as various tax credits and Gulf Opportunity Zone funding to further the restoration.

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The Hilton Garden Inn features replicas of the old millwork and trim work of the King Edward Hotel. Its main ballroom is modeled after its predecessor.

But the hotel rooms and lobby restaurant are bigger, and the rooms feature modern amenities like wireless hookups. Double-plated windows have been put in rooms facing railroad tracks separating downtown from the Metro Parkway to block out excessive noise from passing trains.

An official grand opening is being planned for Feb. 20, once those inspections are done, Watkins said. He, too, hopes the new King Edward building ushers in a new era for downtown.

"I've watched people move out of the city, and it was painful," he said. "We need a vibrant, pristine capital city."

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this is incredible. it looks like a great building. good story.

there is a building in philadelphia that looks exactly like the statler from the exterior. and the inside is even better than the statler (currently). anyone familiar with it? i'll see if i can figure out, since i have a friend who lives there.

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Hey Lou- the building in Philadelphia is the Ben Franklin House at 9th and Chestnut. It has been my residence since mid-June.

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yup that'd be it. how would you compare it to the statler? it seemed more than just the similar shape. the exterior detail seemed quite similar, too.

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pittsburgh and utica also restored big glorious hotels of this vintage, not that i can remember their names. if they can do it so can buffalo.

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These renovated hotels provide attractive settings that you just can't get in the suburbs.

People want character and quality. The Statler and AM&A's proposals will be great places to stay.

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Wonderful post p perhaps with a lot of hard wok and a little luck some day Buffalo could be a city on par with Jackson. It is certainly a goal to strive for.

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i'm not sure i'd put buffalo "under" the par of jackson. they made this building nice but i don't know how many other instances buffalo needs to look up to jackson, ms

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I think Sally was just putting out some bait.

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guess i took it

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I can't imagine knocking down the Statler. What a huge shame it would be. These "after" photos are gorgeous and should be inspire Buffalo to put more care into its old buildings. We have some of the grandest buildings, they just need the right developer to come along. Hopefully The Statler and Lafayette will be restored like the ones above.

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Key quote...

"Watkins estimates 40 percent of the project's cost was related to meeting historic-building standards. It also added a year to the construction process."

So, perhaps, the $80 million Statler renovation could, instead, be brought back for $48 million, and a year under construction schedule?

I bet a developer could make those numbers work far faster than under current historic preservation requirements.

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see thats a point i made before about historic preservation. of course it's important. just look at what we've done to countless buildings, like the larkin ad building. but where do you draw the line? if they could make a functional building, which generates business and tax revenue for half the cost, would you take it if it failed to meet EXACT historic guidelines? i'm not saying turn it into a dave and busters or something out of suburbia, but rather than chain yourself to a tree, just make it happen.

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I for one wouldnt object if someone put forth a plan to do rehab this place in a way that didnt meet historic standards. I think a potential developer would be better off redoing the Statler in a way that would make it stand out from existing hotels by preserving its historic details. Im guessing a less than historic rehab would look something like the Hyatt or the downtown Hampton Inn. Not bad but not as good as it could be.

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There were many Statler hotels built around the country and they generally have the same look (brick with three wings in an E shape). The ones in Pittsburgh and Boston have been in continuous use. St. Louis was in bad shape but was renovated and expanded into a new hotel/condos. Detroit demolished theirs a few years ago to "clean up" before hosting the Superbowl. Buffalo was the home base of the chain before selling to Hilton in the 50's (the largest real estate transaction ever at the time). It would be a shame to see it's flagship hotel fail when there are so many success stories around the country.

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WCP>"Along the way, he was able to secure a $2 million state loan that replaced a cancelled $2 million federal Housing and Urban Development grant, as well as various tax credits and Gulf Opportunity Zone funding to further the restoration"

A wise use of public money when you consider the return Jackson is getting. A beautiful rehab, back on the tax rolls, and no costly demo. A similar, modest public investment would do wonders for the Statler.

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I've said this before in another forum and folks said it was far-fetched, but maybe we need some far-fetched to start with and edit from.
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The Hilton-Statler merger of 1954 is a portal for our Statler. Add Hilton accommodations and a branch of the Cornell University School of Hotel Administration at our Statler with some light retail and service vendors.
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Yeah, I know, all the hotel rooms going in - etc. But, think of this - a larger convention center - maybe on the Waterfront depending on the area available. At least that's a start towards a better plan. Nothing else seems to be working.

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"maybe we need some far-fetched to start with and edit from"

It needs pretty big edits. New conventon center? Bad idea for use of public money here. I wonder if you've ever read critiques of convention centers as economic dev for cities like Buffalo? For example
http://www.brookings.edu/~/media/Files/rc/reports/2005/01cities_sanders/20050117_conventioncenters.pdf

You're aware of NY state's big deficits with no end in sight. What current areas of state spending around here would you suggest cutting (in addition to cuts that needed anyway due to that state's long term revenue shortfalls) enough to pay for constructing an expensive new cc here? Or would you want the county to pay for it somehow?

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It absolutely needs big edits. However, without even bringing a subject or idea up due to the "way things have been," we stifle a creative process for rebuilding. Hey, I'm not saying my ideas are end-all-be-all, but there has to be a starting point somewhere instead of allowing things to continue to decay.
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You're absolutely right about public monies - the state in itself is festering. There are other creative resources that can be tapped. They just need to be researched.
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So, do we stifle the creative process due to a track record of inactivity? Do we throw up our hands and say "Whatever" because we're sick and tired of the same old, same old? Or do we come up with anything to base forward motion on, using these ideas as a springboard to possible solutions?
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What you have done here, whatever, is proven the next step of an idea - come up with the negatives. Then, the next step is what to do with them - accept, reject, or build upon.

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Also, the Brookings study cites a number of cities with a wide array of locations for various types of conventions large and small. We have the one on Franklin and it has been noted previously that we have lost out to larger conventions due to it's size and configuration. Others state it is because the attractiveness of Buffalo holds visitors back but we are now seeing a light at the end of the tunnel there.
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Maybe this would be a good topic for debate on BR rather than hijacking WCP's post. "New Convention Center Pros and Cons." At any rate, it's worth the public debate.

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What makes you seriously think http://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/about/hotel will want to divert resources from their very high reputation program to start up a redundant program 150 miles away in downtown Buffalo's Statler building of all places? Seriously, what would it gain them?

If you really want to pursue it, I'd say contact someone in charge of the school and ask if they'd consider it. Or ask someone like Hoyt or Thompson to contact them. I can't imagine they'd give anything other than a polite brush off, but what do I know? Their contact info is at Contact Us near bottom of that link.

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Thanks, whatever. I'm familiar with the link and agree with you that any overture to the possibility of bringing such a complimentary program into our city is a partnering effort with our government leaders such as Hoyt or Thompson or others.
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Right now we're dependent upon job development. Most of what we have here are customer service related positions that have a low percentage of turnover to careers. Yes, we need jobs, but we need to see what can be done to develop careers. Jobs get you by, careers allow you to succeed. If the city can eventually rise in the visitor experience, if somehow a larger convention center can be built, we will need these hotel rooms and people to work in the Hopitality Industry with an eye on not just a job, but a career.
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Big oaks from little acorns. Worth the review.

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If we are "dependent on job creation", why would you suggest a massive outlay of public dollars on a big, shiny bullet that the data holds isn't an effective means of job creation?

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build_it, let's review what I wrote - the whole entry:
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"Right now we're dependent upon job development. Most of what we have here are customer service related positions that have a low percentage of turnover to careers. Yes, we need jobs, but we need to see what can be done to develop careers. Jobs get you by, careers allow you to succeed. If the city can eventually rise in the visitor experience, if somehow a larger convention center can be built, we will need these hotel rooms and people to work in the Hospitality Industry with an eye on not just a job, but a career."
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Okay, yes I said we were dependent upon job development but I also went on to say that jobs are not enough. We need career development.
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Jobs are jobs and the type we have here are customer service related, janitorial, and debt collection based. Careers are acquired through training, whether on-the-job that allows for upward movement without restriction of numbers or through formal training such as those in the hospitality industry.
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I doubt the developers or the corporations such as Hilton that are pushing or adding to more hotel rooms on us are doing so with the belief that they will be empty. Remember, Embassy Suites at the Avant are part of the Hilton Family. Add that to the interest at Rocco's AM&A's development and there is a genuine interest from the Hilton Corporation.
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The question folks seem to have is how we are going to fill all these rooms.
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hamp, Molly and phrank have mentioned the historic and legacy components to the Statler and the Hilton Corp.
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We have waterfront development happening (finally) and this will increase visitor interest in the city as well as the National Trust convention in 2011 being a foundation for additional visits of the future. Our city has also been the subject of various national programs that promote not only architecture but the people and other attributes, as well.
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I was having coffee with a friend of mine yesterday that has lived abroad and in many major cities here in the US. He felt that dwelling on the negative is killing us as a city. I agree. He cited the "I Will Stay If..." campaign as one of those events that project a negative to those outside of our city-limits. If we continue to dwell on the "if" without including the "why not," we are doomed.
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If we were to acquire through whatever funding could be researched to build a new convention center and bring larger groups in and if the Statler could be preserved and brought back as a grand old lady of hotels we would effectively be providing a venue for every taste of visitor whether here for business or pleasure. So why not continue dialogue just to make sure we can edit, extract and build upon a far-fetched idea that can have major benefit to the community?
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If the Statler could also house a branch of the Hospitality development of Cornell which is through the Hilton Corp, we could develop careers rather than just jobs and would attract even more visitors and others.
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We need to create bench marks of our own as did Jackson, MS. I've been there a number of times, though not at this hotel, and the people there are caring and concerned and have learned to work together. That's what we need to do here, as well.
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Far-fetched? Yes. Worth a look-see? Definitely. Unless, of course, we want to continue doing business as usual without creative development ideas. But, then again, if that were the case, why would we need people like Rocco?

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MRogers>"If we were to acquire through whatever funding could be researched to build a new convention center..."

Nice politician-speak: "through whatever funding could be researched".

Is that where public money comes from? Research? I thought it comes mostly from pockets of average working family taxpayers (or borrowed on their behalf so their future taxes can repay it with interest).

No matter where it comes from, it would be awful prioritization that wouldn't serve the greater public good.

Your support of a new cc sounds to me like the same approach we've seen in Albany from both parties - spend, spend, spend - grow the budget every year well beyond inflation. Meanwhile people and businesses leave, leave, leave.

It's not about negativity vs. positivity. Continued irresponsible spending on things that promise to create real jobs but don't will lead to more negativity, not less.

The "I will stay if..." responses on this blog were overwhelmingly about real career type jobs usually found in the private sector. Improving that means making the state's and area's business environments more friendly. More of the same runaway govt spending would drive away more people and jobs. How many of those "I will stay if..." responses said they'd stay here if only politicians would please raise taxes, borrowing, and spending by many millions to pay for a convention center and rehabbing the Statler?

I'll let all this go now. We can agree to disagree.

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Whatever>"Nice politician-speak:"

Whatever>"Is that where public money comes from? Research? I thought it comes mostly from pockets of average working family taxpayers "

Look whos talking with "politician-speak".

Whatever>"No matter where it comes from, it would be awful prioritization that wouldn't serve the greater public good"

Im on the fence about the convention center part of that. My issue is not as much the cost as it is the fact that there may not be a way to shoehorn such a large facility downtown without more self-inflicted damage to the street grid. I do think using public money to develop our hospitality business by helping developers convert some unique but faded buildings. With so many people visiting our northern neighbors, finding ways to get them to stay in Buffalo makes sence.


Whatever>"Your support of a new cc sounds to me like the same approach we've seen in Albany from both parties - spend, spend, spend - grow the budget every year well beyond inflation. Meanwhile people and businesses leave, leave, leave"

I have to remind you of your frivolous stance on other issues regarding the use of "average peoples" tax dollars. Construction of not needed superhighways, BIG, conflicting local government and a reactionary, "tough on crime" judicial sytem are pretty expensive as well. Way more expensive and IMO, counterproductive compared to modest attempts to grow the economy through tourism.

Whatever>"The "I will stay if..." responses on this blog were overwhelmingly about real career type jobs usually found in the private sector. Improving that means making the state's and area's business environments more friendly. More of the same runaway govt spending would drive away more people and jobs. How many of those "I will stay if..." responses said they'd stay here if only politicians would please raise taxes, borrowing, and spending by many millions to pay for a convention center and rehabbing the Statler?"

More rhetoric. You have gone on record supporting far more expensive and way less productive forms of public spending. I think the jobs created by attracting tourists will more than offset whatever "anti business" effect it has on the economy. Take the Avant for example:

http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/buffaloerie/story/883702.html

"Among the largest would be the new Avant Building at Delaware Avenue and West Huron Street. A developer has turned the former Dulski Federal Office Building into a mixed-use project. The assessment has increased to $36.5 million, up from just over $2 million before the rehabilitation"

That is a pretty good return on invstment when you consider the costs saved from not tearing the place down and the taxes collected for the forseable future. Why would the public not want to make a similar investment in the Statler considering the likley upside?

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Step 1. Publicly subsidize a new convention center. Publicly subsidize a new hotel for new convention center. Publicly subsidize a college, to build 'careers' in the hospitality industry.

Step 2. ?

Step 3. Profit!

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Most hospitality jobs pay squat. I thought we only wanted living wage jobs to stop the brain drain. We also need to stop relying on our taxes to feed the pork spending bills. We can't do anything in Buffalo without a government subsidy paying for most of it. If you want to know why we are failing, just look at our dependency on the government to live. WE ARE THE WELFARE CITY!

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More teabag propaganda. Much of our lifestyle across the country is fueled by government subsidy in one way or the other. Why single out Buffalo or the hospitality industry for your govt is evil rant?

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Typical D-bag response.... I don't think government is evil. I do think government is wasteful.

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Is it wasteful in providing services that you use or just for programs intended to benifit others?

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All services! Services I use and services I don't use are all run inefficiently. Too much waste and not enough oversight. The government is slow to react even when waste and abuse is evident. Look at the military as a prime example. Look at the water authority, the thruway authority, or medicaid as other examples.

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Jimmy>"All services! Services I use and services I don't use are all run inefficiently. Too much waste and not enough oversight."

Can you be more specific instead of vauge claims of total govenment incompetance? Im all for efficiency but I think the government does a fine job delivering serices in many cases (ie: postal service, UB, police, fire, plowing, trash, water etc.) I have a hard time believing your day-to-day life is not positively influenced by the govenment in some way.

In the case of the above post, a hotel which was left to rot was brought back from the dead by a private-public sector effort. Where did govenment go wrong there?

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Very well put. Always forget that step 2!

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With due respect for your integrity and community accomplishments, I doubt I could ever support a politician who tries convincing the public that spending their money on an expensive convention center in Buffalo instead of real needs here would be a good idea. It sounds way too much like the same old nonsense most of our current pols tell us about "economic development".

hamp, Daniel Sack - am I right about that?

In this case it doesn't matter because I'm not one of the 8 people who decide who fills the council seat. The other candidates might agree with you anyway about wanting to spend on a new cc. Most pols in Buffalo love that sort of thing.

Please let us know how Cornell reacts when contacted with your idea to expand their hospitality school to Buffalo's Statler building. If anyone seriously believes that's a credible idea, it's time to actually contact them instead of just suggesting it on blogs. Either they're interested or not. If it ever really happens, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong about how pointlessly unrealistic it is.

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Given the number of applicants turned away from Cornell, it's perfectly "realistic" for them to expand a program as popular as their School of Hotel Administration.

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Verdan>"Given the number of applicants turned away from Cornell, it's perfectly "realistic" for them to expand a program as popular as their School of Hotel Administration."

Many prestigious schools reject a lot of applicants every year, especially for in-demand programs. That isn't uncommon at all, and it doesn't necessarily mean all of those schools will expand.

Even if Cornell did start accepting more students to that program, it sounds ridicuously far fetched that they'd want to expand 150 miles away in Buffalo's Statler building of all places.

Can you get someone in authority there to say it's "reaslistic" and make it happen? Here's their contact info:
http://www.hotelschool.cornell.edu/about/contactus.html?contactid=19
What does continued wild speculation accomplish?

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So anybody with any ideas on anything has to get expressed written concent from all possible interested parties before mentioning them on a message board?

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pitbull, I meant to word that last part of my comment to MR, not Verdan. I should've written "Can she get someone in authority there to say it's realistic and make it happen?" (not "Can you get...").

If directed to MR, it's a fair question. When a candidate for public office proposes an idea twice - in a previous post and this one, there's nothing wrong with anyone in the public questioning the idea's realisticness.

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whatever and buildit, I am not advocating a silver bullet convention center. However, I am advocating looking under every cover to see what can be done to save a building that can be saved; bring careers into the equation and perform the latter without public funding.
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So, one question I have before sign-off - what's wrong with checking things out? And, yes, one thing I have learned in all my years on this earth is to agree to disagree since we all need to work together. Thanks for the dialogue.
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A wish for a great week to you both!

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MRodgers>"and perform the latter without public funding"

A convention center in Buffalo couldn't be built without massive public funding taken from taxpayers like small businesses and working families, or borrowed with them having to repay with it with interest.

The private sector would be too smart to fully fund a certain money loser like an expensive cc here, although a few wealthy hotel owners would be glad to disproportionately benefit from it.


MRodgers>"what's wrong with checking things out?"

Nothing's wrong with checking anything out if you really think it's realistic. In fact, I posted the contact info for you - go for it!

Checking it out is different from presenting it to the public as a serious idea when it's so unlikely.

Suppose an Ithaca politician, say a candidate for their city council, says "Hey, let's get in touch with UB up in Buffalo and ask if they'd spend millions of dollars from their budget to expand any of their programs by creating a branch here in downtown Ithaca. UB rejects many applicants every year, so it's realistic to think they're interested in expanding down here. UB has a huge budget, why not get some of the money for Ithaca? It's at least worth investigating! What's wrong with checking things out?"

Wouldn't that sound useless?

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You're thinking of the Hotel Utica, and I have personally experienced many aspects of its refurbishment. Last I heard, they were discussing using the top floors for upscale downtown condos, but Utica being a small city of 60,000, it is an uphill battle. There were lots of problems at first because the hotel was purchased from the city, and payments were slow in coming from the owners. Lots of public outcry, but I felt the city did the right thing at least trying to make a go of it. Now, it is a Clarion hotel, and I haven't been there since the change. Anyone else?

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Pittsburgh - Omni William Penn. Looks just like a Statler but I don't believe it ever was. Stayed there last year while traveling and read the history on it. Grand lobby.

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Another phenomenal restoration of an historic building by Hilton is the Embassy Suites in Charleston, SC - restoration of the original Citadel. Almost forgot I stayed there once - here's the link:

http://embassysuites1.hilton.com/en_US/es/hotel/CHSESES-Embassy-Suites-Charleston-Historic-Charleston-South-Carolina/index.do

So, it seems the Hilton Family of Hotels has a strong foundation of interest in preservation - bringing more interest to their properties for guests.

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yeah, stayed there, too. awesome building. awesome area. did you happen to go to that shopping area not too far from there? granted they have year-round nice weather. but it was a great shopping district. not like an enclosed mall. but they had all sorts of great, high-end stores.

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Two amazing restorations here are the Georgian Terrace and The Biltmore, so it can be done.

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