Real Estate December 19, 2009 5:30 AM

Same Story, Different Day: Rebuilding Downtown Retail

Same Story, Different Day: Rebuilding Downtown Retail

Downtown has a solid base of 50,000 or so office workers and an expanding downtown residential population, so where is the retail?  If one downtown property owner has his way- retailers wanting to test the waters will have a low-cost opportunity to do so in the near future.  The owner, wishing to remain nameless for now, is floating the idea of creating a retail incubator/mini-bazaar that will fill a void and allow small retailers to build a presence downtown.  It is hoped that successes will move to fill other, larger space downtown.  Reintroducing retail to downtown has to start somewhere- why not in small increments?
 
Incubators are an economic development tool, recruiting and nurturing new business.  The proposed retail incubator will be in a relatively small, but long and narrow building that creates a walkthrough connecting corridor between Washington and Main streets. Current concept plans would have it split into twenty or so "retail suites."  Entrepreneurs can try their hand at running a downtown store with lower risk on a trial basis.  If successful, the stores can 'graduate' to a bigger space within the building or move to larger, more permanent space elsewhere. 

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While the project is in the gestation period, the property owner is looking for feedback from consumers and potential retailers.  The building and its tenants would be tailored to supporting the immediate needs of the mid- downtown dwellers and workers.  The building is centrally located on the prime 500 block of Main Street, close to hotels, offices and several residential projects. 
 
Various options under consideration range from just an open hall where people set up more like a farmers market to more permanent facilities, a mini-mall if you will, where each tenant has an enclosed, locked space.  The development will be pleasant and tastefully done, but the cost of development has to be kept tight as it is expected that tenants can't pay a lot and are likely to be transient.  Some of the stalls could be for farmers who would like to have a full time presence downtown year round, fashion designers, artists, and food service/culinary start-ups. It is anticipated that rents would be very competitive and be inclusive of all utilities.
 
The concept would involve venders selling many of the essentials for downtown living/working as well as locally produced arts products.
 
To date, the owner has had a fairly positive response.  Prospective tenants could be selling men's clothing, toiletries/cosmetics, and computers/electronics.  The owner is also looking for naming ideas for the collection of retailers that will hopefully inject a bit of vibrancy to downtown.
 
The mini-mall idea is taking root in NYC on a grand scale.  The Limelight Marketplace is taking a 1860s Gothic revival house of worship (and former nightclub) fitted with hand-painted English stained glass and turning it into a three-story shopper's paradise with space for 60 to 80 tenants each with 150 to 1,200 sq.ft.   

Interested in the concept?  Email me to get in touch with the building owner. 

 

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Fascinating micro-enterprise concept!

There is similar microenterprise "mall" in Kensington Market in Toronto called the Blue Banana. Definitely worth a visit for anyone interested in the logistics of this retail concept!

Check it out: http://www.bluebananamarket.com/

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The Limelight, that was a very cool nightclub.

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"Super Flea II"

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If it was something similar to the Reading Terminal Market in Philadelphia it would be pretty interesting http://www.readingterminalmarket.org/

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"The building and its tenants would be tailored to supporting the immediate needs of the mid- downtown dwellers and workers." Once again the 1000 of so residents of a community in downtown buffalo, who ALREADY do support whatever shops are left in downtown, are forgotten about!

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Wouldn't they be included in the term "Dwellers?"

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How is this different than business incubators already in place in Buffalo? I believe that we have a few on the east side, one on Elmwood, and a few on the west side. Do we know how successful these have been?

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The difference would be it is privately owned and therefore not bogged down in BERC red tape and political patronage junk like the city owned ones. Plus it would be the only one that I know of close to downtown.

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This is fantastic. I see this as the first building block toward regaining livability downtown. This method is a great way to reintroduce retail on a tiny scale, and encourage it to grow to an appropriate scale.

It's daunting to support your city and take the plunge, buy property, and move downtown, and then have to drive 45 minutes away every time you need shoes or apples or coat hangers or a Christmas Tree. Having to drive because retail is separated from residential is why I left the suburbs to begin with.

P.S. The Limelight link is fascinating.

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The indie market could be a potential good fit into this as well perhaps for those who can try something even more permanent than a once a month market. Which is still very nice by the way.

I think the location and proposition are very functional and go well with what the potential for this block can be. The Urban Design Project along with BuffaloPlace and many others created a plan with graphics about this exact idea several years ago.

An atrium is a fantastic way to create both retail and civic space all at once. Think of the Galleria in Milan as a example.

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This same ideas was floated around a few years back but never happend. I wonder if it's the same guy (not giving away the names) re-introducing this idea? I would luv to see this happen and know it would be a great idea to re-start retail downtown. With the few downtown retailers we have now (all seem to be doing well, so I've heard), I know we have a few gaps to fill. - Shoe store, fragrence's, more clothing (for the office worker and downtown dweller), furniture, books, high tech items (i-pods, lap tops, TV's, etc.) and more is what we need downtown.

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Great article.
I hope CanalSide will truly spawn some greater downtown retail development, especially along Main Street. One can only imagine the potential that lies here...
Downtown has soooo much potential, and we've certainly seen it in the past.

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We certainly have the space and people to support it all too!

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Another large urban indoor mall project in NYC, The Kingsbridge Armory got shot down today by the city council over neighborhood's (The Bronx) demands for a living wage at the retailers. That project was a big sweetheart deal for the developers that were to get the building for 1/4 of its market value, as well as tens of millions in subsidies and tax abatements. They didn't want to commit to a $10 an hour wage. To avoid such politics, Buffalo needs to have a site package that adresses these concerns upfront so that instead of nasty politics and empty buildings, the city gets great retail spaces and fledgling entrepreneurs.

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I like the idea of a Mini Mall concept with each retaile having an enclosed space. But, we already have a building like this in the Theatre District- The Market Arcade at 617 Main Street. Buffalo' First Mini-Mall. I would luv to see this building filled in with more retailers than offices as it currently is. But a new re-use for one of the empty buildings along the 500 block is a plus! I look forward to seeing this idea come to reality.

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Someone I am familiar with was talking about doing something similar a couple of years.

Its a fantastic idea to bring retail back to downtown and Main St. and a great way to spur small business. The Market Arcade further down the street was a similar concept in a different time. Downtown Buffalo is crying out for an innovative pioneer.

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I think this is a great idea...I have been asking the who's who in Buffalo for an idea such as this since I returned from Boston, MA, which has a similar concept in Faneuil Hall. As a former resident for 8 years of Beantown, I can attest that this is a succesful venture for all seasons.

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If you ask me, the best spot for retail is Main Place Mall if it could be awoken to its potential such as:
1) demolish the northern portion and build a 2nd tower perhaps even taller than the first
2) add more underground parking
3) add another shopping floor
4) use the roofspace for bars and restaurants, perhaps even a gym with an outdoor track and open up the central corridor with skylights
5) use the exist first floor entrances to re-open the street grid with car only pass thrus and truck only loading/unloading.
6) change the facade to something Buffalo like Brick, stone, terra cotta...perhaps blend some Buffalo period styles too.

Its not a bad building but what is required today for downtown is very far from what the 1960s planners thought was good for downtown. This building needs to be adapted.

A tops or even a quality markets or price chopper could easily fit into a remodelled space at Main Place Mall, especially if the street grid were opened and used for pick up and drop off.

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Your forward thinking continues to amaze and astound...

Just think, a downtown PriceChopper to go with our downtown BassPro.

It will be like having the best part of Auburn, NY AND Schenectady, RIGHT IN OUR BACKYARD!

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I saw that Chop Chop closed their Main Street location. I seriously question the viability of downtown and our ability to support restaurants and retail. There isn't a compelling reason for workers to leave their offices to go to lunch or shop. Maybe the answer is to expand the farmer's market along Main Street and make it worthwhile for workers to go there. The Police need to do a better job of controlling the obnoxious bums who beg for change and harass people as they walk by. We need to move the Department of Labor and the Parole office away from Main Street, that was a dumb idea to move them there.

The Main Place mall is a ghost town. I was there this past week and counted 11 total retailers and restaurants in the entire mall. That excludes the food court. There were a lot of people in the mall, but they were mostly there to get out of the cold while waiting to see Keanu Reeves. It is a shame that there isn't something more worthwhile for them to do while waiting.

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I aggree, I don't know WHY the Parole office, and the assistance offices were allowed to take over viable first floor spaces like that. What we need are all the downtown developers and current building owners to be on the same page, work out a plan to re-design Main Street store frontage to at least make it presentable for new retailers and restaurants, etc. Then market the crap out of it all for big names (Destination Retailers) to fill in at least a space on each block of Main Street. If we made this area of downtown a "DESTINATION" , it will draw people from outside the area back downtown and hopefully become a tourist destination again. Would'nt it be f'n awesome to see downtown HUSTLE & BUSTLE Again?

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The Main Place could be "Alive" again if it's owners would just invest in it. Renovate it from the inside out, re-design the Main Street side (simular to the new addition to the Galleria Mall), market the hell out of it to national retailers and even consider a movie theater on the third floor or food court area. I'm not a fan of that food court, it's all junk food.

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What I have noticed about successful malls in other cities is something that only part of Main Place Mall has...

The Main Place Mall would be much better off if the Liberty were converted to residential and a larger footprint tower were placed in the middle, then the Main Place Mall would become a center for both office and residential patrons. It would become the perfect place for things like grocery stores, dry cleaners, drug stores and other life style amenities.

For all their complaining...they could probably excavate more parking levels below ground but this is one owner that will not invest in a 1960s building that desperately needs to be completely rethought.

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I wonder where the tipping point, if there is to be one, is where services make downtown living sustainable. Even with one small crocery store, the prices would have to be commensurate with the ghetto corner store. What factors need to be in place where safe night time shopping and dining can be enough?

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I thought for a while about ways to respond to this post but I'm not exactly sure what you're saying. You've put some pretty incendiary words into play here under the pretense of being thoughtful. I am interested in your use of the following words: sustainable, crocery[sic], commensurate, ghetto, corner store, safe, and night time. Were you trying to make a point, or is your comment more like found poetry?


No matter. I'd say downtown is fairly safe, but then again I don't live there. I just go there for dining and shopping and Sabres games. Do you live there? It seems odd to me that someone who lives downtown would suggest that downtown living is not sustainable. If you don't live there, then, 1) when was the last time you went downtown, and 2) what bad experience did you have that sullied your opinion of the place?


Also, I would ask (curiously), when will suburban living (in WNY) become sustainable? Suburban living in most other civilized areas has elements that make it far more sustainable than our current "20 years behind the coastal cities" mode of living. Why must downtown living be sustainable while Grand Island living can be as unsustainable humanly possible without ever being asked to justify its own existence?

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My moms used to tell us how she would use her lunch hour to get her hair done at AM&AS. It would be nice to see this type of business right in the heart of downtown again.

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The fact is that downtown is no longer in the heart of the area - we no longer depend on transit to take us to a central location, there is no longer a giant shipping & railroad industry centered there, and there is no longer a collection of close-built neighborhoods surrounding it. The legendary City of Buffalo of 1901 was demolished - only a bare shadow remains. The conversion of offices, hotels, and department stores to apartments is the undeniable proof that "downtown" is no more. America is a network of suburbs connected by highways, with a few old-time cities (NY, Boston, etc) as quaint reminders of the past.

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...Ok, terrific!

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Could this serve as the indoor version of the outdoor farmer's market, thus making it a year-round market/attraction? Additional vendors could make this quite a lively place.

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