City December 9, 2009 11:20 AM

Proposed Rooming House on Tonawanda Street Meets Opposition

Proposed Rooming House on Tonawanda Street Meets Opposition
Meet Ed Hogle.  He's the owner of Atlas Steel and EB Iron Art.  Hogle either owns, leases, or has an option to buy over 30 acres on and around Tonawanda Street.

In the past, Hogle had proposed a home for sex offenders on Tonawanda, that was subsequently shot down by the City.  "Look," Hogle says, "I have ten kids, and frankly, the thought of child molesters sickens me, but the more I looked into it, and found out they were living all over the city, the more it made sense that parolees be kept in one supervised area, with ankle bracelets.  The way it stands now, when one of these guys gets out, if their mother lives on Oakland Place, they can go live in her basement.  They're all over the city as it is - why not have them in one place?"

Still, Hogle wasn't too upset when it didn't go through.  He says he was approached with a new idea for using the rambling property that has since been made into the home of The Yard.  "I'm four minutes from Buffalo State College," Hogle says. A point that was driven home when the "pervert village" as it came to be known, was trounced.  Suddenly, the idea of building green housing for Buffalo State students, with individual rooms and common areas looked like a win-win for Hogle, the college, the neighborhood, and the students, the overflow of which were forced to live in the Adam's Mark Hotel

"I came in with the idea of creating student housing, and I sat down with [past] Buffalo State President  Muriel Howard, [Vice President for Finance and Management at Buffalo State] Stanley Kardonsky and Assemblyman Sam Hoyt," Hogle explains.  "They were all for it.  Howard pledged her support."  

Hogle spent the next four months with architects creating Rock Harbor Commons plans.  He traveled to places with similar housing, he researched green construction, and poured money into consultation, plans and renderings.  At the end of those four months, Howard said she was no longer interested. "I wish I'd gotten something in writing from her.  I went to Hoyt and reminded him that he'd sat in on the meeting, and he said he couldn't help me."

In what Hogle now feels was a bait and switch, his plans for projects 1 and 2 were squashed.  "It doesn't make sense.  A market study says Buff State needs 750 beds, and they're building 500, which still leaves them short.  Add to that the fact that those 500 beds are costing them $35 million to build, and my project, that would create 350 beds would have cost $6 million.  How do you like that math?" Hogle asks.

"I must just be the wrong guy," Hogle states.  "But screw it, I'll build the rooms out myself with four or five other people if it takes me two years.  I'm tired of talking.  It's all BS, and BS is what we do here.  Bankers exist to give each other bonuses, and the rest of us are on our own.  You know who ultimately pays?  The parents.  Education is not cheap, and I have a plan for affordable housing."

Still looking for ways to capitalize on his only asset other than steel, which has taken a big hit in the current economy, Hogle is looking at his property development options again, and this time they involve the property on the other side of the street at 68 Tonawanda.  His latest idea is to build a rooming house in the railroad station he owns on the west side of Tonawanda Street.  "I'm stuck with enormous tax bills.  I pay $100 thousand a year in taxes, water, sewer and garbage, and there's no one living there.  I have so much property, and I want to do something with it."

Hogle says a lot of people in Black Rock don't have a lot of money, and so the rooming house makes sense.  "I have 30 guys working for me, and some of them are already living in rooming houses. Why not build them space for $100 a week?  I sat in a room with 8 guys from the zoning board, and it's specifically written in that there would be no sex offenders allowed in the rooms."

Then Assemblyman Sam Hoyt sent out a letter this past Monday, asking Mayor Brown to stop the Tonawanda Street plans, and he brought up the sex offender village again.  "I have never, ever, ever mentioned the "S" word again," Hogle says.  "That's all bull____.  [Councilman] Golombek has no problem with the plan, and the wording is 'no sex offenders.'  Furthermore, it's not up to the mayor to change or veto zoning laws."

Hogle says he's not angry, but his rapid-fire speech suggests frustration.  Determined to develop his plan, Hogle says he'll go forward with both the larger housing project on the east side of Tonawanda Street, as well as the rooming house.  Not looking for cooperation anymore, Hogle would at least like to operate with no opposition. "This whole thing just blows me away," he concludes.




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It's comical how progress is slow moving here even when you want to use your own money. Everything takes so long to get going here (and NYS in general) that I can see why developers do not want to build here. I'm not sure how I feel about rooming houses as I have had mixed experiences with the ones near me but if the guy is doing things by the book with his own finances let him do it already.

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Ed Hogle is an idiot for buying this property in the first place. He's looking to blame everyone but himself for the fact that he is paying up the arse for this massive post-industrial acreage.

IMHO, when Pervert Village fell through he realized he was stuck with this useless property and out of desperation concocted this convoluted "student housing" scheme completely dependent upon Buffalo State College subsidizing most of the costs if that that didn't work out, at least use the massive hype behind "Rock Harbor Village" to pump n' dump the property to some other foolish developer/speculator. A certain local website was very complicit in the incessant promotion of that aforementioned pie-in-the-sky development proposal.

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NPR recently ran a story of a sex offender community called Miracle Park. I cannot remember what city this was in but the result was mostly successful, although somewhat controversial.

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Just kill the bastard scum perverts. They are a waste of society and should be eligible for the death penalty.


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Nice compassionate response. /sarcasm

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We can support any redevelopement as long as sex offenders are not part of the plan. Black Rock residents turned out in force when the first proposal was presented and we will be watching this time as well. This area has been held hostage for too long by the failed Ambassador Bridge Company and it is time to move forward.

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The ambassador bridge project didn't house any sex offenders. If sex offenders are your concerns, then why the opposition to the Bridge? If the Bridge, and it's construction and related health problems, are your concern, then why fight any use of the property that will bring the building up to code and preserve it for a future, higher use?

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You must have misunderstood my comment, we support developement of the site but not sex offender housing or a diesel truck plaza, neither is compatible with a densely populated residential neighborhood.

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I am confused. Do you support this rooming house? It's neither sex offenders, nor a bridge.

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I have no problem with the rooming house as long as it is managed well. Here in Black Rock rooming houses have existed as long as I can remember and they provide much needed low cost housing. Years ago most rooming houses were owner occupied and the landlady usually did a good job of running them. On site management would be the only responsible and effective way to go.

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University Village at Sweet Home and University Villas were built near the UB North campus without involvement or funding from UB. Why should Rock Harbor be treated differently? If Hogle wants to build student housing then let him fund it privately like they did in Amherst.

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Exactly. He knew all along he didn't have the money to fund ANY development project on this land all by himself; he was banking on Santa Klaus making some money for him.

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The idea of student housing across street is still questionable. Walking from there to the college is about 1.4 miles (to the Student Union) through a not very nice neighborhood, and the closest store is Wilson Farms at Forest & Grant. Saving the 5% he claims would not be worth the risk. Anybody living down there would be dependent on a car.

If he wants to put his own money into a 'lodging house' at that remote location, he should be able to do that. If it flops, then at least the old freight house will have bought a little more life. It'll be interesting to see if renters can be attracted down there.

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B+B, If you cut across the bike path and over the old train bridge by the city impound, you can be @ Grant+Letchworth within a few minutes walk.

I have to agree with sho'nuf. There are plenty of student housing developments that did not involve any handouts from the school. University Villas, Lofts @ 136, and the collegiate village. If conversion to student housing isnt feasible he ought to do something else with the place.

In the meantime, there are plenty of flats to rent out in the surrounding neighborhood if people cant find space on campus. IMO that is a much better college experience than living in dorms or dorm style housing.

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The Common Council has the last word on new rooming house license applications as stated in the City Charter - Chapter 269-4 (F).

The story about the amended Lodging House Legislation for the City Charter can be found here:

http://archives.buffalorising.com/story/new_lodging_house_legislation

This legislation not only protects the surrounding neighborhood, it also protects tenants from less-than-ethical landlords.

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If Buffalo State needs 750 beds and they are only building 500, then why isnt anyone asking a very simple question. Why waste the money and space on another building when they could be adding 2-3 stories to their existing buildings now!

It just doesnt seem like its good finance or good planning. Costs are not going to go down. Interest rates are not going to stay low. Infact, for commercial construction which doesnt have to worry about property values or selling, this is an ideal time.

As far as there not being anything on Grant Street, my only response is to wait until 500 plus students start walking or riding their bikes on Grant Street during the safety of day to Guercios or studying at the Coffee Restaurant at Lafayette, etc. It wont take long before the word of mouth from existing businesses spreads to others in the small business community.

As far as the proposed sex crime housing is concerned, Id say that within 20 years Buffalo State will want to buy that land and they will need to move. In the meantime, can we please remember that we are dealing with human beings and treat them with humanity providing them with the means to live however restricted their freedoms.

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Christine / Queencity - I'm not sure where you got your engineering degree from but you can't just add stories to existing buildings that are not designed to do so. They're not lincoln logs. I notice you suggest this option frequently and I am curious to know where you got the data to prove this is feasible? The only building I am aware of specifically designed for possible verticle expansion is the Statler Towers. Specifically the rear of the building was designed to add a "fourth" wing.

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Does anyone know about the history of the railroad station at 68 Tonawanda Street?

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LOL there may be hope for the Adam's Mark yet!

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Is the 1-story, gabled, bright red bldg in the center of the rendering 68 Tonawanda St? Because if so, there is a LOT of investment necessary to turn the rest of the area into the rest of that rendering.

I have sympathy for Mr. Hogle; property can easily go from an asset to a drain when your plans fall through and it sits there unused. I'd be frantic for a plan too if I were paying $100K in carrying costs per year. BUT it's irresponsible bad business to jump from project to project and blame everyone else for their failures.

I've never heard of a sex offender "village;" let me read up on it before I comment. JUST AN IDEA: many of these bldgs are already tenanted by light industry (my mechanic leases space here, for example). What if you built on that (auto repair, auto body, metal working, warehousing, artist's studios, etc)?

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If ever there was a good place for a pervert village, this is it! It is a reality that they will live amongst us, so why not?

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Pegger- There is no good place for a pervert village, no one neighborhood should be expected to house sex offenders that come from all over the area. I am sure you wouldn't want this kind of thing in your neighborhood so please don't suggest it for mine.

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