Proposed Rooming House on Tonawanda Street Meets Opposition
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Leave a commentEd Hogle is an idiot for buying this property in the first place. He's looking to blame everyone but himself for the fact that he is paying up the arse for this massive post-industrial acreage.
IMHO, when Pervert Village fell through he realized he was stuck with this useless property and out of desperation concocted this convoluted "student housing" scheme completely dependent upon Buffalo State College subsidizing most of the costs if that that didn't work out, at least use the massive hype behind "Rock Harbor Village" to pump n' dump the property to some other foolish developer/speculator. A certain local website was very complicit in the incessant promotion of that aforementioned pie-in-the-sky development proposal.
NPR recently ran a story of a sex offender community called Miracle Park. I cannot remember what city this was in but the result was mostly successful, although somewhat controversial.
Just kill the bastard scum perverts. They are a waste of society and should be eligible for the death penalty.
Nice compassionate response. /sarcasm
Here is a link to the NPR story:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=121089157&ft=1&f=1003
We can support any redevelopement as long as sex offenders are not part of the plan. Black Rock residents turned out in force when the first proposal was presented and we will be watching this time as well. This area has been held hostage for too long by the failed Ambassador Bridge Company and it is time to move forward.
The ambassador bridge project didn't house any sex offenders. If sex offenders are your concerns, then why the opposition to the Bridge? If the Bridge, and it's construction and related health problems, are your concern, then why fight any use of the property that will bring the building up to code and preserve it for a future, higher use?
You must have misunderstood my comment, we support developement of the site but not sex offender housing or a diesel truck plaza, neither is compatible with a densely populated residential neighborhood.
I am confused. Do you support this rooming house? It's neither sex offenders, nor a bridge.
I have no problem with the rooming house as long as it is managed well. Here in Black Rock rooming houses have existed as long as I can remember and they provide much needed low cost housing. Years ago most rooming houses were owner occupied and the landlady usually did a good job of running them. On site management would be the only responsible and effective way to go.
University Village at Sweet Home and University Villas were built near the UB North campus without involvement or funding from UB. Why should Rock Harbor be treated differently? If Hogle wants to build student housing then let him fund it privately like they did in Amherst.
Exactly. He knew all along he didn't have the money to fund ANY development project on this land all by himself; he was banking on Santa Klaus making some money for him.
The idea of student housing across street is still questionable. Walking from there to the college is about 1.4 miles (to the Student Union) through a not very nice neighborhood, and the closest store is Wilson Farms at Forest & Grant. Saving the 5% he claims would not be worth the risk. Anybody living down there would be dependent on a car.
If he wants to put his own money into a 'lodging house' at that remote location, he should be able to do that. If it flops, then at least the old freight house will have bought a little more life. It'll be interesting to see if renters can be attracted down there.
B+B, If you cut across the bike path and over the old train bridge by the city impound, you can be @ Grant+Letchworth within a few minutes walk.
I have to agree with sho'nuf. There are plenty of student housing developments that did not involve any handouts from the school. University Villas, Lofts @ 136, and the collegiate village. If conversion to student housing isnt feasible he ought to do something else with the place.
In the meantime, there are plenty of flats to rent out in the surrounding neighborhood if people cant find space on campus. IMO that is a much better college experience than living in dorms or dorm style housing.
The Common Council has the last word on new rooming house license applications as stated in the City Charter - Chapter 269-4 (F).
The story about the amended Lodging House Legislation for the City Charter can be found here:
http://archives.buffalorising.com/story/new_lodging_house_legislation
This legislation not only protects the surrounding neighborhood, it also protects tenants from less-than-ethical landlords.
If Buffalo State needs 750 beds and they are only building 500, then why isnt anyone asking a very simple question. Why waste the money and space on another building when they could be adding 2-3 stories to their existing buildings now!
It just doesnt seem like its good finance or good planning. Costs are not going to go down. Interest rates are not going to stay low. Infact, for commercial construction which doesnt have to worry about property values or selling, this is an ideal time.
As far as there not being anything on Grant Street, my only response is to wait until 500 plus students start walking or riding their bikes on Grant Street during the safety of day to Guercios or studying at the Coffee Restaurant at Lafayette, etc. It wont take long before the word of mouth from existing businesses spreads to others in the small business community.
As far as the proposed sex crime housing is concerned, Id say that within 20 years Buffalo State will want to buy that land and they will need to move. In the meantime, can we please remember that we are dealing with human beings and treat them with humanity providing them with the means to live however restricted their freedoms.
Christine / Queencity - I'm not sure where you got your engineering degree from but you can't just add stories to existing buildings that are not designed to do so. They're not lincoln logs. I notice you suggest this option frequently and I am curious to know where you got the data to prove this is feasible? The only building I am aware of specifically designed for possible verticle expansion is the Statler Towers. Specifically the rear of the building was designed to add a "fourth" wing.
Does anyone know about the history of the railroad station at 68 Tonawanda Street?
LOL there may be hope for the Adam's Mark yet!
Is the 1-story, gabled, bright red bldg in the center of the rendering 68 Tonawanda St? Because if so, there is a LOT of investment necessary to turn the rest of the area into the rest of that rendering.
I have sympathy for Mr. Hogle; property can easily go from an asset to a drain when your plans fall through and it sits there unused. I'd be frantic for a plan too if I were paying $100K in carrying costs per year. BUT it's irresponsible bad business to jump from project to project and blame everyone else for their failures.
I've never heard of a sex offender "village;" let me read up on it before I comment. JUST AN IDEA: many of these bldgs are already tenanted by light industry (my mechanic leases space here, for example). What if you built on that (auto repair, auto body, metal working, warehousing, artist's studios, etc)?
If ever there was a good place for a pervert village, this is it! It is a reality that they will live amongst us, so why not?
Pegger- There is no good place for a pervert village, no one neighborhood should be expected to house sex offenders that come from all over the area. I am sure you wouldn't want this kind of thing in your neighborhood so please don't suggest it for mine.
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It's comical how progress is slow moving here even when you want to use your own money. Everything takes so long to get going here (and NYS in general) that I can see why developers do not want to build here. I'm not sure how I feel about rooming houses as I have had mixed experiences with the ones near me but if the guy is doing things by the book with his own finances let him do it already.