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Leave a commentPop Quiz: When (during what Decade) did the first dtudy conclude that cars were hurting Downtown & needed to be controlled? (Only extreme pressure from car makers kept cities from banning cars from downtowns, btw )
"dtudy" = "study" !
I'm assuming that this would include neighborhood street parking. Are people going to get assigned parking spaces if they are paying for it? Aren't we paying for it in our taxes? It's getting to the point when we have to start asking what are we getting in return for our tax money??? We pay for garbage collection, we pay for water, we rent and pay for sewers and waste treatment. We pay road use taxes every time we buy gas. We pay for toll roads.
Without getting into all the "mini" taxes that we see on just about every bill we get we pay and pay taxes. What do we get in return? Is it I just being a crotchety old man? Hell we even have to pay to get into our national parks; Yellowstone National Park costs $25 per car. I should go lay down for a bit, blood pressure rising
"Aren't we paying for it in our taxes?"
Yes. And so are the 33% of city households who don't own cars. I believe some government expenses, such as education, defense, and health care, should be shared by all; but owning and parking automobiles are not exactly a necessity - let people who need parking pay for parking.
It amazes me that people who live on Grand Island (who already get a discount ($0.26 rather than $1.00 to use the bridges) believe they should pay nothing instead! These are people who choose to live on an ISLAND!
As much as possible people should pay for what they use. If this were the case for road usage we would never have the costly problem of suburban sprawl. Who would live in Springville and work in Amherst if they had to pay the full price of the roads built for them?
I agree that people should pay for what they use. We should be able to opt out of the garbage collection and take our own recycling and trash to the dump. Estimated yearly savings is over $300 for city residents. We should be able to choose not to pay into the Social Security system. If you can take care of your retirement, then why fund other people's retirements. Let them take care of themselves. We should be able to opt to pay for private insurance or use the public plan. If you go the private route, then you can be excused from paying the public option. All public servants and public retirees should be mandated to use the public option though, they should have to eat their own dog food. If you send your kids to private school, or decide not to have kids, then you shouldn't have to pay into the public system. There may be a small allocation of your yearly taxes that go to the public good, but we should stop funding 100% of services that we don't use. If you choose to live in the suburbs, then your taxes should just go to the suburb that you live in. If you choose to live in the city, then you should pay more for police and fire protection without taking a subsidy from the suburbs. If a sewer needs to be rebuilt in your city neighborhood, then the city should pay for it. Simple enough.
The suburban lifestyle is the most highly subsidized system in this country. That is the basic premise of this book. Free parking is NOT free. It costs a tremendous amount. It is just that to costs are hidden and they are born by all not just those who use it.
By the way some of the things you mention here are things that all people benefit from that are paid for by all.
Our country benefits greatly by offering an education to every one regardless of their ability to pay. Even a childless couple benefits from the high level of education that we have in this country. That is why they pay in.
Sure crime is high in the city and people in the suburbs benefit from the fact that a vast majority of that crime and the poverty which generates it is kept inside the city.
As for each city and suburb building their own roads and sewers etc...Interesting idea. Since most towns could not afford to do this, this might actually stop the destructive sprawl that has infected this country.
Or we could just move the businesses to the suburbs like many employees want to do. Employees of National Fuel have benefited from a shorter commute. I know that M&T may be moving some more of their operations to Amherst. When employees are asked, they usually say that they would prefer the shorter commute. Right now it is easier to move the company offices to be closer to the employees. I know that it may seem backwards but to many the city is a necessary evil to visit for work only. Why do you think that the businesses along Main Street are failing despite the number of employees who work nearby.
Or we could move everything into the city for a shorter commute
We tried that and failed. Why do you think people moved to the suburbs in the first place?
Jimmy>"Why do you think people moved to the suburbs in the first place?"
Massive government subsidy.
Better quality of life. Better schools. More representation from their local government. More accountability of their local government. Control over their taxes. The list goes on and on.
Or you could just dismiss it as a massive government conspiracy. I heard the same thing about the 4307 crash, it was one massive conspiracy to silence one of the passengers who threatened the Obama administration. I tend to side with fact rather than speculation though.
How do suburban residents exercise more control over their taxes?
reflip, this might answer your question.
Buffalo's school property tax rate is lower than in Amherst and Tonawanda. That's due to Buffalo receiving much higher subsidies from NY state taxpayers (suburban residents subsidizing city residents).
However excluding school taxes, the effective property tax rate as of 2007 in Buffalo (1.54%) is much higher than in Amherst (1.07%) and Tonawanda (1.19%).
Info for all of the state's cities, towns, and school districts is at
http://www.seethroughny.net/OtherData/Benchmarks/tabid/98/Default.aspx
That web site also shows employee benefit spending per capita:
Buffalo: $342
Amherst: $167
Tonawanda: $217
And total spending per capita:
Buffalo: $1762
Amherst: $1174
Tonawanda: $1083
Most of the local mayors and supervisors are local residents who are taking a break from their job to perform a public service. They do not have aspirations beyond being the mayor or supervisor of their local town. They are responsive and accountable to their friends and neighbors, and are generally held accountable for the actions they make. The local suburban mayor submits their town budget and is held to a higher standard than our city mayor. They have to justify expenses and personnel, the city does not typically do this. Our good Mayor of Buffalo is preparing for the next step in his political career. Career being the operative term here. He is a career politician who is in bed with special interest groups, local union leaders, other politicians, and most importantly the party leadership that put him in office. He is in service to them first and foremost. The people come a very distant second to these other groups.
Like him or hate him, Satish Mohan was a very responsive supervisor to the people of Amherst. The unions did not like him and either did the career politicians like Bill Kindle. He did his duty and served the majority of Amherst, and he also upset some in their respective minorities. At the end of it all, a guy like Mohan, or Barry Weinstein, or Scott Bylewski, are in the job to take care of the people they serve. I don't feel the same can be said for anyone in the City government. Not now, not under Masiello, or Griffin, or Makowski. That pretty much sums up the leadership for the 37 years. 37 years of the democrat party machine spending our money to serve the special interests and local unions. Over 40 years of continual failures in the City of Buffalo, meanwhile our more effective neighbors have experienced 40+ years of growth and prosperity. If this is a government conspiracy, then it is a conspiracy by the local democrats to ruin the city of buffalo.
Jimmy>"Better quality of life. Better schools. More representation from their local government. More accountability of their local government. Control over their taxes"
Everything you just mentioned and more was paid for by massive subsidies.
Jimmy>"I tend to side with fact rather than speculation though"
Nope. You seem to buy into teabag propaganda and talk radio rhetoric. Here are some facts:
It would be tough for all those single family homes in the burbs to be paid for without public assistance from the FHA, Gi bill and home mortgage interest deduction. If it were not for these govt programs, the suburban neighborhoods we know them wouldnt exist.
Add to that the largest govt susidy in history, the Interstate Highway act, which allows all of those people to move about from burb to burb. I can list more programs if you would like...
I know the Sandy Beach crowd hate to hear this because its only fun to accuse others of mooching off taxpayers but like it or not, the suburban landscape is and continues to be a product of massive government handouts and is much less a product of choice.
I take great offense to you considering the GI Bill (which I beleive you are reffering to a VA mortgage loan) as a public subsidy. These men and women who have bravely fought for and defended you and your rights are deserving of any assistance during and after their tours. Making this sound along the same line as welfare is a great diservice to this country and nothing less than a slap in the face to everyone that has served.
Now with you referring to home mortgage interest deduction, this is not a gov. subsidy but a tax law. I take advantage of it as well as thousands of others. Do you think nobody in the city does and it is only a suburban thing? Are you just jealous of those who can afford a home with a mortgage high enough to qualify for this write off? remember those who can afford these higher mortgages also pay a lot more in taxes due to having a higher income.
If I use your method of rationalization then every single person who owns a double or multiple unit building is recieving government subsidies and handouts due to the vast amount of write offs they are capable of taking advantage of that single family homeowners cannot.
SLM>"I take great offense to you considering the GI Bill (which I beleive you are reffering to a VA mortgage loan) as a public subsidy"
Ok calm down. I am all for service men and women recieving this benifit as well as other programs. My choice of the word "mooching" was tongue and cheek to point out that it isnt just the poor that benifit from govt programs. Like it or not though it is a public subsidy.
SLM>"Making this sound along the same line as welfare is a great diservice to this country and nothing less than a slap in the face to everyone that has served"
Sadly a lot of veterans are on welfare or require other public assistance as a result of their service. You looking down your nose at welfare can be considered a slap in the face to them.
SLM>"Now with you referring to home mortgage interest deduction, this is not a gov. subsidy but a tax law.
It seems you define "government subsidy" as a public service that you dont directly benifit from and or you dont agree with(ie: food stamps fair healthcare etc). Yes FHA, Servicmens Settlement Act, and home mortgage interest deduction are benifits provided by the government and are in fact government subsidies.
Yes I too take advantage of this program on city property so I know it doesnt exclusively benifit suburban residents. However it is a program that subsidizes home ownership at the expense of renters which favors suburban areas over the city just by the nature of respective housing stock.
SLM>" remember those who can afford these higher mortgages also pay a lot more in taxes due to having a higher income"
They also receive the most benifit from this program. Higher the mortgage=more interest to deduct.
Im not saying these programs are a bad thing. I just like to point out that it is not just the poor people and the central city that recieve govt subsidies. Some people need to be knocked off their soap box when they complain about the poor getting all of their tax dollars
LOL, yeah right, because as we all know, programs like FHA and GI Bill were available only to suburbanites and not city residents! [eye roll] And highways only allow people to leave cites, not to arrive in them, and they actually force people to move to burbs even if they want to live in the city. We'd all be so much better off if only we could turn back the clock to the 1940's before highways as the anti-car extremists would like!
If KarlMalone was right that you have to comment on behalf of the BR philosophy because not enough people do it for free, you should at least try better arguments. Nobody except conspiracy loons will believe your goofy theory that Buffalo's population loss is a big secret plan orchestrated by the government.
By the way, if it really is a big secret plan it's succeeding much better than those usually do:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Buffalo_NY_historical_population.png
How many government plans are that effective? If they ever really tried to empty out Buffalo they'd probably botch it and the city would start filling up again!
Whatever>"yeah right, because as we all know, programs like FHA and GI Bill were available only to suburbanites and not city residents!"
Do you think govt programs to encourage homeownership steered development towards a city, made up of mostly duplexes apartments and mixed use structures, or suburban land with mostly singles and rural vacant land? Again people in the city can participate in this progam as well but there is no denying they encouraged the masses to leave their apartments (concentrated in the city) for new single family homes (in the burbs).
Whatever>" And highways only allow people to leave cites, not to arrive in them, and they actually force people to move to burbs even if they want to live in the city."
Do you think the Kensington exp attracted people to Humboldt pkwy or encouraged residents to leave? Limited access highways have allways had a negative impact on the high density neighborhoods in which they were built. Can you dispute that? On the other hand, property by interchanges in the low density suburbs is very valuable to commercial or retail uses. Yes urban expressways benifit the burbs at the expense of the city.
Whatever>"We'd all be so much better off if only we could turn back the clock to the 1940's before highways as the anti-car extremists would like!"
Is that why you feel threatened by new urbanism (anti-car extremists)? You equate provisions for pedestrians and bikes and conservation to some romantic notion of the history? Nobody is trying to make you go back in time but there is nothing wrong with using ideas that have worked in the past.
Whatever>" Nobody except conspiracy loons will believe your goofy theory that Buffalo's population loss is a big secret plan orchestrated by the government"
If you want to call historical evidence "goofy theory" that is your business. Like it or not there was a conscious effort by elected leaders and planners to disperse the US(not just Buffalo) population away from crowded cities. Looking at the govt programs I mentioned earlier it is clear the suburban environment is the result of what you like to call "politically motivated marketplace manipulation" and not simply a choice of city-vs burb. I wouldnt use the word "conspiracy" or "secret" because these programs were out in the open for everybody to see. I dont think the negative impact on the cities was intentional.
Whatever>" If KarlMalone was right that you have to comment on behalf of the BR philosophy because not enough people do it for free"
Now whos the "conspiracy loon"? Yes whatever, me and the olmsted "astroturfers" are secret agents of BRO because everybody thinking on their own MUST agree with everyting you say. You really ought to accept the fact that not everybody buys into your beliefs and that does not make them part of some conspiracy.
ILUVPUPPIES - great ad hominen reply. If you can't address the argument go after the person. Instead of proving that there is a 50 year ongoing government conspiracy to kill our city centers, you go after my comments with words like "teabagger" (A derogatory term used for those who question massive government spending and our ever increasing tax burden. The Tea Party movement is about holding governments accountable for the programs they run, something that would damage and take away from the unaccountable welfare programs that our tax and spend government oversees). I have never been to a Tea Party protest, but am more interested after your derogatory reference.
It may have been difficult to fund all the homes in the suburbs without government money, but it would also be difficult to build the cities that we created without money from the same government. The city roads, sewers, phone lines, electric lines, gas lines, sidewalks, highways, etc were all funded (at least partially) by the government. The docks that were used to create our city's wealth was funded and owned by the government. Do you know why people wanted to live in the suburbs after WWII? Was it a massive government conspiracy against the city, as you contend, or was it something else? Did the baby boom have something to do with it? Did renewed prosperity and the post-war industrial machine have something to do with it? Maybe the pollution and illness caused by local factories had something to do with it. There were a lot of factors that contributed to it. You have to take history and beliefs into account when you talk about these things, not just dismiss them as talk radio hype.
My previous post mentioned that people left the city for a better quality of life, better schools, more accountability from their local government, more control over their taxes, and the list goes on. The suburbs weren't created to spite the city, as you may believe. They were / are an extension of the city and meant to complement the industry and business in the city. Unfortunately for Buffalo, we lost the industry and business, and now many suburbanites do not see the reason for the city. They fail to recognize history as much as you do.
To most people there is a big difference between SOCIETY and SOCIALISM. We live in a society, and we pay taxes to fund services that are best run centrally, by our elected government officials. We want some accountability in the way they spend our taxes and we want them to be good stewards of our taxes. In our SOCIETY, we centralize and pay for policing, military, infrastructure, fire protection. In our SOCIETY, we ensure that we care for those who are unable to help themselves. We take care of the disabled, the mentally handicapped, the elderly, etc. This is part of living in a society. Where many people have an issue is when our government is no longer acting as a good steward of our tax dollars. When the abuses are rampant and social programs are unchecked. As our larger political machines in the cities (look at Chicago as a good example) became less responsive and accountable, more people moved away, often in disgust. As our State has become less responsive and less accountable, more people and businesses have moved away. Same goes for the City of Buffalo at a smaller scale. This will continue, with or without the government funding roads and bridges.
I don't listen to Sandy Beach, but that was a nice attempt at painting me into a corner with a very broad brush. Sorry, you failed on that one. What many people are saying today, is we've had enough. We believe in society but we do not believe in socialism. We are not about taking from people based on ability and giving based on need. There are elements of that already in place, and those elements are not running efficiently.
Is parking socialism? No, it is not. Are the suburbs a massive government conspiracy against the cities? No, they are not. Are you unable to address the real reasons that people are still leaving the cities? No, because it is easier to dismiss them as a massive conspiracy than to say that we are failing and need to change. Our complicity is evident in our most recent Mayoral election. We don't even care enough about the future of Buffalo to have a decent election with more than one candidate. That speaks volumes about our future and where we are heading as a city. Think about that, and Brian Davis, and the other scandals in our city, when you wonder why people want to get the hell out of Buffalo.
Again, my point was that the "choice" of suburb over city was greatly enhanced by public subsidy. People like to forget that when they get on their ills of urbanism and welfare cheat rants.
There are just as many welfare cheats in the suburbs and rural communities as there are in the cities. Who ever said that welfare was an urban issue? Oh, you inferred from your own biases didn't you.
Jimmy>"Who ever said that welfare was an urban issue? Oh, you inferred from your own biases didn't you."
Nope. You made a negative reference to welfare in this very discussion on Dec 24th @ 509pm.
SLM made a less flattering reference yesterday.
You still haven't addressed my comments, you skirt around the issue with rhetoric and hatefulness. You try to turn everything into a conservative vs. liberal debate, why not just address the issue. People move to the suburbs because the suburbs offer a better quality of life. The cities had the same opportunities to improve their quality of life but failed to do so. You want to re-write history with today's agenda, that just won't work.
I explained in detail how postwar suburbs were built with subsidies. What more would you like?
Cities and suburbs do build their own roads and sewers. Suburbs just get some roads for free by allowing developements to be built. It still costs the town some money due to higher maintenance and sometimes new utilites but the taxes help cover that cost.
So will you be using public transportation to cart your garbage to the dump or will you actually load it to your car or strap it to a bike rack? Don't forget that once you get there it will cost you ~$75 every time for your garbage to be processed. $300 seems like a bargain now, doesn't it? We still are a democracy and a huge part of that is the haves pay to help the have-nots. You won't get any arguments from me that it's not always an equitable distribution or collection. My beef is when there's a suggestion to instantly switch to an a la carte system that seems to disregard the fact that the whole system was built up by everyone contributing. There are many parts of the system that I rarely, or never, use. I at least recognize that I still directly or indirectly benefit from them being in place.
While it may (may) be true that 33% of city households don't own cars, they still benefit from maintaining the infrastructure that supports highway traffic. Most of those people who don't own cars do ride in them. Even if they ride the bus, the streets need to be maintained for that service. Also, since railroads have been declining for decades in this country, most of the things we buy were delivered to our locations with trucks, which also require maintenance of the roadways.
Allentwnguy, I think I know what you're talking about. Here's what I think. Residential parking is essential around the downtown core. Afterall, these neighborhoods have been around since the start of the city. Of course, private parking is nil, but people still need vehicles in some cases. Some folks work in the 'burbs; there are elderly needing to get to physicians; etc.
While much of the paid parking during the week is not full, the neighborhoods are. Residential parking could possibly - and that's a big 'possibly' - turn some of these folks into park-n-ride people, lowering pollution; decreasing the need for surface lots (many of which are not maintained, least of all landscaped); and on an on. But, at the same time, increase the viability of more folks looking to purchase homes for either rehab or move-in condition in the surrounding neighborhoods.
Yeah, still have to work on some of the surrounding neighborhoods, but with a concentrated effort (that we don't see very often here - but can be changed) the two efforts could work together.
I would, however, be glad to pay an annual fee for residential parking (and I have the Home Rule research already completed) as long as that particular fee went back into the neighborhood it came from.
So you'd be willing to pay for a service as long as you benefit from both the service AND the profit generated?
How generous of you.
And why shouldn't the money stay in the neighborhood to be used for repair of streets and sidewalks and lights? And maybe some beautyfication. Have you walked or driven down the streets of Buffalo at all?
Maybe people with cars should be taxed and parking also be taxed. That way the loosley affiliated grass roots in the minority that support these type of initiatives can enjoy the feeling of being totally crushed by the better organized groups which represent the majority of transportation users who compose the the highest percentage of the tax base.
It isn't the fact that I have to pay for parking that bothers me so much as the blatent disregard for anything BUT parking the a mode of transportation. That is why the author and others talk about this subject.
I understand that most people drive to the mall and that everything I buy there is subsidizing those parking lots, and my taxes and subsidizing the highways to get people there and my taxes are subsidizing the education system that segregates our society... but as soon as you ask for a bus stop or a freaking bike rack you get thrown to the curb and laughed at.
Everyone pays into the system to receive benefits... the problem comes when only a part of the population receives benefits, often at the expense of others.
A perfect example is the plaza debacle in OP. They won't allow buses onto the property to drop off customers and employees near the entrance because the parking lot is not safe for pedestrians... So they are left getting off at the street and WALK through the whole lot.. but it is OK for people to drive to the site and WALK through the parking lot. They probably have to walk longer and traverse that dangerous landscape much further than someone getting dropped off from the bus AT the entrance to the store. All those people pay into the system... but the system is only working for one segment of them.
> Everyone pays into the system to receive benefits... the problem comes when only a part of the population receives benefits, often at the expense of others.
You mean like welfare and medicare?
No. Like "free" parking and "free" highways.
The point of Shoup's book and the point of this article!
amen, daniel. people, read up and evaluate shoup's evidence before you dismiss him.
i am totally enjoying watching conservatives defend socialized parking against market rate parking advocated by liberals. most fun i had all day!
Yes, Marilyn Rogers needs to keep her conservative opinions to herself. They aren't welcome here! :-)
You may not recieve those services directly but you, as well as society as a whole benifit from them. Can you honestly say we would be better off denying people food and medicine just because they cant afford it?
Can you give me examples of where the public is being denied food and medical treatment? I can give you many examples of where the government has been a poor steward of the taxpayer's money and where fraud and inefficiencies are largely left unchecked. But that is a different story. The fact is that people are not being denied food and medical treatment today, people are not dieing because they lack medical insurance. It is available, to some as an out of pocket expense, to others as a government program, and to others as a payroll deduction.
What ever happened to the days when people had to pay cash for medical procedures. I remember my grandmother telling me about how she had to pay the doctors in cash before they would assist with the delivery of my mother. That doesn't happen today.
Jimmy>"The fact is that people are not being denied food and medical treatment today,"
Thank god for that.
Jimmy>"What ever happened to the days when people had to pay cash for medical procedures"
They went away when people realized that treatment shouldnt be given to only those who could afford it.
Yes when people abuse the system and become nothing more than a public charge. Now Im not sying to get rid of social programs, there are some who do need it, but there is too much abuse and tax dollar waste. Those who abuse and use the system should be forced to pay back all the tax dollars they stole. If someone is too lazy to work or cheats the system then yes I would gladly deny them anything.
Socialized parking good
Socialized life saving medicine bad
Everyone already has access to life saving medicine. If you walk into an emergency room or doctors office with a life threatening illness or injury, the hospital or doctor will treat you even if you cannot pay for it. So you can drop the fear mongering and over sensationalism that has been used to justify another unchecked government program. It is obvious that this program has severe flaws when the congressmen who are proposing it keep assuring us that it can be changed later and that it won't be right on the first pass. It is also assuring to know that the only way it is being passed is through vote buying. My question is why didn't the NY congressmen stall until the federal government offered to pay for our medicare programs. That would have been a great win for NY, but alas the good people of NY will be paying through the nose to fund the medicare programs from other states as well as ours. I really wonder if I shouldn't just get out of NY.
Haha,
That is not true but keep believing in pixy dust if it makes you feel good. Even if it was true who exactly do you think IS paying for that treatment?
THE TAXPAYERS... Mr. Pixydust! Who do you think is going to pay for universal medical care? The private insurance industry will get richer, the congressmen will get richer, and our quality of medical care will decline. Sounds like a losing proposition to me.
An ER treats many people that arrive unconscious, or without identification. No one waits to treat you. (Example, jogger hit by a car with no wallet...). Similarly, if you come in off the street, and you have no way to pay, you can just make up a name and address (I'm not recommending this...just trying to explain what really happens). Most inner city hospitals just treat these people, and there is really no significant effort made to collect on the service. People in these areas know this, and use the ER monthly for everything from a bug bite, shampoo in the eye (saw that this week!)...etc. It's not a good system, but they get treated.
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It is interesting to consider that a hospital can only bill the government, or an insurance company for specific services rendered to a specific patient. When John Doe enters an ER, is treated and released, the hospital really swallows the bill for that. Inner city, non profit hospitals have extremely limited resources. Any well intended cuts by a new system that think there's waste at the inner city hospital will simply cause them to close.
I think we should charge for bike rack and bike lane usage too. There is no need for everyone to pay for the socialized bike rack system, it is time they pulled their own weight and paid their fair share!
Actually if everyone used bikes we would save a tremendous amount of money
If everyone drank water instead of soda we as a society would save billions as well.
you give me rentable bike lockers that protect my ride from theft and weather and i will gladly pay the going hourly rate. where do i sign up?
GRAD64, that is akin to everyone having a secure and covered parking spot at a going hourly rate. Unfortunately that isn't available to drivers or bicyclists.
it is in the sf bay area:
http://www.bikelink.org/
minneapolis/st. paul:
http://www.metrotransit.org/serviceInfo/bikeLockers.asp
portland:
http://www.portlandonline.com/Transportation/index.cfm?a=58383&c=34813
cedar falls, iowa:
http://www.northern-iowan.org/bike-lockers-available-for-rent-1.2118568
wood dale, il:
http://www.wooddale.com/index.asp?Type=B_BASIC&SEC={CFBFD7E3-DD33-48EB-9657-7A2D24D2BF07}
fairfax county, va:
http://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/fcdot/bike/bikelockers.htm
need i go on?
nonsense. google rentable bike lockers and feast your eyes on all the cities that offer them. i tried to post a few links but bro must have flagged it as spam.
I am not saying they don't exist. I am saying that asking for that is like asking for a covered parking spot for drivers. Why should we invest in bike lockers when there are a lot of bike racks around the city that remain unused? Using the parking analogy above, if drivers can park a few blocks from their destinations and walk, then so can bicyclists. Why clutter the sidewalks with bike lockers when we have open bike racks just a few blocks away?
because you can park a dozen or more bikes in the space required for one automobile at a fraction of the cost, making bicycle parking an excellent public investment. you not only encourage exercise but you reduce the pressure to demolish viable buildings for surface parking. you encourage a form of transportation that neither pollutes nor requires foreign oil. you cut down on noise pollution and traffic congestion. sounds like a win/win to me.
You already have bike racks that are underutilized, especially in places where parking lots are full. These parking lots are privately owned and the drivers are paying for use, meanwhile the bike racks are paid for by building owners and are free of charge. In a city where a very tiny minority of people ride bikes to work or to shop, why should we invest money into more bike racks? Wait, let me guess, are you in that tiny little minority? Does this serve your selfish needs at the expense of others? I thought so.
a back rack does not represent the irreversible encroachment upon the cityscape and major capital expense of a parking lot or ramp garage. a mouse just doesn't have the same environmental footprint as an elephant. but thanks for trying. it is still hysterical to watch a conservative twist himself this way and that to defend socialized parking.
You are hilarious! A conservative? What, if you don't believe in today's liberal agenda then you must be a conservative? Do you really lack that much knowledge of the political world that you believe everything to be so black and white? In terms of the conservative and liberal agendas, I am far more liberal. I just don't buy into all the tax and spend policies that are being bought and sold by our government. That goes for the Clinton, Bush, and Obama eras.
You really are an ignorant bullethead sometimes.
The city/suburb divide that jimmy and whatever consistently advocate for on this website is nothing more than a cultural narrative. That is, it is a story we tell ourselves. Nothing more. For example, jimmy has mentioned several times that suburbs have various advantages over cities. While his assertions are generally accepted as true, they are not, by definition, "facts." They are opinions. That we confuse them with facts is evidence of the prevailing narrative of suburban superiority. That jimmy never bothered to answer my question is also evidence that most people around here don't feel any need to prove, or even just argue in favor of, suburban superiority. We simply just make conclusory statements and everyone nods in agreement. No facts or evidence is required. Jimmy says the suburbs have more control over their tax money and we all just go, "Of course they do." Nevermind the fact that each suburb is a fairly distinct place. They're all just "better" because they're not "the city." Nobody thinks they have to prove it because everyone just "knows it" and accepts it.
I guess all I really want to say is that it doesn't HAVE to be that way. We all make these places what they are. If you live in a suburb and you think it offers a better quality of life, it is not because this "quality of life" exists independently of you and you just happened to find it. It is BECAUSE you moved there and you hold your community to a certain standard. Places go "downhill" when YOU leave. Not when everyone else does. When YOU do. Similarly, cities revitalize when YOU move there. Not when everyone else does. If more people took responsibility for their own actions and decisions, ALL neighborhoods would be better places. But, in America,the prevailing narrative is that nobody bears any responsibility for their own actions. Everything is someone else's fault. Dozens of people leave one neighborhood and move into another, newer neighborhood. Then they lament how the old neighborhood "went downhill." Nobody admits that the place declined because they left. No - it was all someone else's fault.
This affects cities and suburbs alike. For example, Buffalo is already starting to hear the talk of how Amherst and Tonawanda "ain't what they used to be." Well...guess what...that's on you because you left. And, of course, people instinctively blame "city people" for moving in. There is no such thing as "city people." Nobody "belongs" anywhere. All of these places are just places - their character is determined by the people who inhabit them. Their reputation is also affected by the people who judge them.
Most civilized places around the country are talking about increasing density and increasing transit access. Suburbs WANT to increase their urbanity. Urban and suburban are nothing but jargon - setbacks, land use practices, and density. "Urban" design increases economic efficiency, prosperity and increases wealth generation for residents. "Suburban" design sucks wealth from residents and wastes scarce resources. And yet, these social narratives of urban inferiority are so strong that people whose ideology is entirely based on increasing efficiency and creating wealth still advocate for places that do the exact opposite. It would be comical if it was not so tragic.
Speaking of "social narratives of urban inferiority" : I'm the only one of my family to move into a city (ancestors all being farmers or miners) ... Result? Nobody will even visit me in Buffalo! Too afraid of crime or parking spots or my house not being good enough. Even the presence of Mom in my other Flat hasn't been sufficient to convince her other children to even SEE where she lives, in 11 years. That's pathetic.
Why does the bulk of Erie County HATE and FEAR Buffalo so terribly? I've lived in NYC, and I KNOW that the surrounding commuters don't despise NYC anywhere near the way Buffalo is demonized. I grew up in Cheektowaga, and the only thing I knew about minorities was that one must NEVER say the "N Word".
Reflip, an eloquent comment. Very well said.
So PaulBuffalo, what will it take for you to move back to Buffalo? Why not tell us why you left? I am sure we could learn from your experience as well.
REFLIP - I did answer your question, see my response above as to why the suburbanites have more control over their taxes and government than those living in the city.
REFLIP - Thank you for that nice diatribe. I understand that you do not consider lower crime per capita and better performing schools in statewide rankings as opinions rather than facts. I understand that you feel so inferior about our city that you want to dismiss the obvious and cling to the sentimental. That is fine, you have the right to your opinion and I have the right to mine.
Facts are facts, crime is higher in the city, the political machine in Buffalo is unresponsive and dismissive of residents, the schools are generally under performing when compared to their suburban counterparts. There are exceptions, we have pockets of Buffalo that are relatively safe, we have a few schools that out perform the others in Buffalo and are on par or better than their suburban neighbors, there are areas of Buffalo with relatively high property values. The issue is that these are the exceptions and not the rules.
Let's discuss the social narrative of the American Dream. Let's discuss families who want their children to have more opportunities, earn more, and achieve more than their parents. Let's talk about families who feel that it is a liability to raise their children in the city. This is a matter of opinion for them. Will sending their child to a Buffalo Public School leave them less prepared for college. Are the lower average SAT scores for Buffalo Schools the result of more lower qualified students taking the exam, or is it a result of the quality of education that students receive. Do parents take a gamble and hope their son or daughter wins the Buffalo Schools lottery so they can attend one of the good schools, or do we not risk it and move to Amherst where the child can attend Smallwood Elementary, or maybe one of the Williamsville Schools?
What are the other risks of having their children stay in the city? Do they have to worry about gangs? What happens if their son or daughter is intimidated at the bus stop by one of the gangs that we hear so much about? What can they do to protect their children against the gangs? Will their son or daughter be the next inadvertent casualty of a gang shooting or drug deal gone awry?
Fact or fiction, these are real narratives that parents face when it comes to raising their children in the city or the suburbs. Some of this is based on fact, some of this is based on fear, some of this is based on what-if scenarios.
What this all comes down to is that people generally want to do what is right for their families. Is it worth making a stand for the City of Buffalo at the expense of your child's future? Do city leaders care that you are making this stand? The suburbs are very inviting, and it is a difficult choice to make. Buffalo needs to be as inviting and needs to fix a lot of issues with the schools and government if we want to bring people back to the city. I know that we are seeing some younger people moving in, mostly single or couples without children. We see some elderly moving back to the city, but we are missing the big picture here. We need to understand what our flaws and faults are, and what we need to do to correct them. We can't sit here and blame the suburbs for our short comings, as you point out in your post.
You are correct about the urban design creating density. The city is a great place to live, when it is a well run and effective city. Buffalo is not a well run or effective city. We have major failures in our basic services that make people think twice about living here. We need to address these, not explain them away as the bi-product of suburban growth. We shouldn't try to level the playing field by stopping suburban expansion with the hopes that more people will move towards the city. I support smart growth and limits on the suburbs, but this is not the cure for the city. We don't need to win on a technicality. We need to fix the school system, we need a more effective and responsive police force, we need a more effective and responsive government, we need people to see the benefits of the city. We need people to want to live in the city, people who want to raise their families here, and people who want to stay here. We have a lot of work to do, so let's stop pointing fingers at the suburbs and start work on fixing ourselves.
Urban children out perform suburban and rural children when socioeconomic factors are equal. Raising children in the city is an advantage not a "liability".
My own children have attended various schools including PS#17, PS#51, Olmsted, McKinley, DaVinci, City Honors, and Our Lady of Black Rock. All have done well and are much more well rounded, tolerant, and ready to go out into the world than their suburban cousins.
That is interesting. Do you have proof beyond your own anecdotal evidence of what your kids have achieved? Do you have empirical evidence that children raised in the city are more well rounded, tolerant, and ready for the world than their suburban counterparts? If so, then I think we can stop putting all the extra effort and funding into the City of Buffalo schools and we can tell the Business First group that their ratings are incorrect. I'd also like to tell the State Department of Education that their findings are incorrect.
Oh wait, you said if all socioeconomic factors are equal. So if we leveled the playing field to the lowest common denominator then the city will perform on par with the suburbs.
Well, we live in the real world. A world where there are socioeconomic differences and where the suburban schools continually outrank and outperform the city schools, with the exception of City Honors that skims the best from the other schools with the hope of giving them a chance at the real world.
For proof that urban children out perform suburban and rural children (when socioeconomic factors are equal) see the book freakonomics by Stepen Dubnar and Steven Levitt.
As for city children being more well rounded, tolerant, and ready to face the world, that has been my experience and I think many would agree.
As for Business first rankings, school performance is directly related to the wealth of the district, it is that simple. Fix poverty and you fix schools.
City Honors is not the exception, Huch Tech and DaVinci also perform as well or better than suburban schools.
There are many factors to take into account when determining how schools perform but poverty is by far the driving force.
Which section of Freakonomics are you referring to? The section on closing the performance gap by race, or the incentive structure for teachers? I haven't read the book in quite a while, but if memory serves there was a section on the gap between public schools and charter schools, where the success of charter schools was partially attributed to longer school days and longer school years. I don't recall anything about leveling based on socio-economic factors, and nothing that said that urban schools were on par with suburban schools, if we excuse socioeconomic conditions. I could be wrong though, so a citation or reference from the book would be helpful.
Here are the top 10 school district rankings from last year (according to Business First): 1. Williamsville (Erie County) 2. Clarence (Erie County) 3. Amherst (Erie County) 4. Orchard Park (Erie County) 5. Bemus Point (Chautauqua County) 6. East Aurora (Erie County) 7. Iroquois (Erie County) 8. Alden (Erie County) 9. Alfred-Almond (Allegany County) 10. Grand Island (Erie County).... There were 97 districts evaluated, here is number 97 Buffalo (Erie County).
In the high school rankings, the City of Buffalo holds the bottom 12 spots (out of 131): • 120. Buffalo Academy of Science CS (Buffalo)• 121. Visual & Performing Arts Academy (Buffalo)• 122. McKinley HS (Buffalo)• 123. Emerson School of Hospitality (Buffalo)• 124. Western New York Maritime CS (Buffalo)• 125. Riverside Institute of Technology (Buffalo)• 126. Lafayette HS (Buffalo)• 127. South Park HS (Buffalo)• 128. Bennett HS (Buffalo)• 129. Burgard HS (Buffalo)• 130. East HS (Buffalo)• 131. Grover Cleveland HS (Buffalo)
You contend that Hutch Tech and Davinci perform as well or better than suburban schools, well they are pretty close to the bottom third of the list. • 86. Hutchinson Central Technical HS (Buffalo, • 89. Leonardo Da Vinci HS (Buffalo).
The major suburban schools that attract Buffalo residents are all in the top 30 on the list. All three Williamsville Schools, Grand Island, Amherst, Orchard Park, Iroquois, Clarence, Alden, and most of the private schools (St. Joes, Nardin, Holy Angels). City Honors is number 5 on the list, primarily because they take the best and brightest students and teachers from across the city. When it comes to city schools, City Honors is the exception and definitely not the rule.
The city schools are under-performing due to a number of factors, poverty is one of those. Crime is one of those. Lack of family involvement is one of those reasons. Lack of teacher motivation is one of those reasons. If we take the Freakonomics model that you cite above, maybe the reason the suburban schools are more successful is that people who are motivated to see success in their children will seek out a suburban school because they are more successful. It is a cycle that will be tough to break unless we can offer a better education to students across the board.
You cite a number of great excuses, but few solutions beyond "fix poverty". How do you contend that we fix poverty when we have generational welfare and parents, and a system, who enable their children to join gangs, drop out of school, get pregnant, and join the welfare roles at a young age?
What about the deficiencies in the Buffalo Schools? What do we do to fix those? We already spend more per pupil in the city than the suburbs, in fact per pupil spending in high need areas like Buffalo has gone up by more than 30% in the past few years, this despite the city losing 18.5% of their student population to other districts and the charter system.
In reading your response to my post, it sounds like you are content with the state of the Buffalo Schools. You have had good experiences with them and feel that they do a great job of preparing our students for the real world, socioeconomic disparities aside. Are you still comfortable with this stance, given the information above?
The top school districts you cite (Williamsville, Clarence, Amherst, Orchard Park) just happen to be the wealthiest suburbs in WNY, coincidence? The bottom just happen to be the poorest, another coincidence? No, poverty IS the driving factor for school performance.
My point is that a student from a middle class family in Buffalo can do as well as any student from the burbs and be better prepared for life in the "real world". Living on a cul de sac surrounded by people of the same color and income level is not "real", the world is a much more diverse and challenging place. My children are fortunate to have had the experience that only a city can provide.
C'mon, you know that most of the suburbs are older tree lined streets with sidewalks and nearby schools. You painting the picture that they are all isolated white washed cul-de-sacs is like someone using the Ken-Bailey neighborhoods to paint all of Buffalo.
Many middle class families see the better school districts in the suburbs as a better opportunity for their kids. They see the gangs and crime in the city and worry about the future of their kids. They see the success of the suburbs, and know that their children will have a much better and more successful peer group that pushes their students to achieve more.
There is much more diversity in the suburbs that you would think. Children from a variety of socioeconomic backgrounds, from Asia, Europe, and Africa. Your bias against the suburbs has blinded you from reality.
The fact remains, the Buffalo Public schools are under-performing and the Buffalo School District isn't doing much to change that fact. Most people believe that their children are better off going to a suburban school, regardless of wealth. Take a look a the rentals in places like Amherst and Orchard Park, there are many ex-Buffalonians living their just to enroll their kids in the local public schools. Even parents of some criminals feel that their children will have a better chance in the suburbs.
Can you use real facts to refute my claim, or will you just continue to confuse correlation with causation? The performance of schools relative to income is a correlation, but it doesn't fully address the causes of the school district's failure.
BTW, I am still waiting for that reference in Freakonomics.
Reference from Freakonomics page 168- "Once all other factors are controlled for, it is clear that students from rural areas tend to do worse than average. Suburan children, meanwhile are in the middle of the curve, while urban children tend to score higher than average".
See Reflips post, wealthy Long Island school districts just happen to be high performing, just another coincidence? You can claim suburban schools "perform" better but all evidence seems to point to wealth as the one common denominator of successful schools.
Ok, let's keep that in perspective. The reference you are citing is extrapolated from the Early Childhood Longitudinal Study - K-5. This was a study that followed a cohort sample of students from kindergarten through first grade. If you read into the Freakonomics text, the authors discuss the importance of factors that influenced the students success or failure, these included socioeconomic status, education level of the parents, parents age at the time of birth, child's birth weight, language spoken in the household, parent involvement in the school and PTA, number of books at home, and whether or not the child was adopted or native to the family.
The parent who values schooling and education tends to raise children who value the same. Parents with higher IQs tend to raise children with higher IQs. Parents with a higher education and higher IQ tend to be in a higher socioeconomic status than parents with a lower education level and lower IQ. There is a social darwinism effect at play here. In the Buffalo area (remember ECLS was a national study) people of higher socioeconomic status and higher IQ tend to live in the first and second ring suburbs. (The ECLS did include first ring suburbs in their definition of Urban area). If you look at national statistics, parents of higher socio-economic status and higher IQ tend to live in the cities (take Manhattan, Boston, or Chicago as examples). The concentration of higher socioeconomic status parents is higher in these cities than in Buffalo. That said, there is a reason why Buffalo does not follow the national trend. If you look at the quality of life in Buffalo vs. other cities, you will see that Buffalo is a far more dismal and deserted city than other cities that are thriving. Take a look at downtown Toronto or Boston compared to Downtown Buffalo and you will see what I mean. I have not gone through the ECLS figures completely, but I would not be surprised to see a city like Buffalo in the same league as cities like Gary, Indiana and Detroit, Michigan instead of cities like Boston or Atlanta.
If you would like to learn more about the current research on socioeconomic influence on a child's education, take a look at the Tennessee Value-Added Assessment System (TVAAS). This system is heavily cited in the book "Excuses, Expectations, and Learning Gaps". You might be interested in this book if you are interested in this topic. This book and the study results indicate that the biggest factor affecting student achievement is teacher effectiveness. The primary director of the study, Dr. William Sanders emphasizes that class size effects and differences in ethnicity, family income, and urban-suburban location fade into insignificance when compared to teacher effects. In his studies, and other related studies, it is clear that the effectiveness of the school system has a great effect on the success of the students, a good school system can overcome obstacles associated with socioeconomic status, child birthweight, language spoken at home, and other factors followed in the ECLS study
I understand that all of this is moot, given that we have massive disparities in wealth, IQ, ambition, and values between our urban and suburban schools.
I do agree with Reflip's comment, the best and brightest in WNY still pale in comparison to many of the more effective cities in the nation. We do have a culture of mediocrity, where our best and brightest need to be segregated from the rest of the population and taught differently to even come close to other schools. My alma mater has been ranked the number one school in the nation for the past three years and many years before that. If I do have children, I would seriously contemplate moving back to Virginia to raise them there because the educational system in Fairfax Virginia is far superior to even the best of the best we have to offer in Buffalo.
We can agree parenting is also a big factor in a childs education. I would argue that an involved and interested parent can overcome any supposed shortcomings of a school district. My childrens education began in our home, our neighborhood, and in the various adventures we have experienced. Having books in the house, discussions at the dinner table, and time in the country were all an important part of their education. My son credits the lessons learned here in Black Rock as being a key factor in his success today. He would not have had that experience growing up in an affluent suburb.
You make the point of your alma mater being number one in the country, is it again just a coincidence that Fairfax Virginia happens to be one of the wealthiest places in the country?
Teachers and school administrators play a key role as well.
Fairfax, when I lived there, was an economically and socially diverse area. We had first generation immigrants in the Falls Church and Annandale areas, most of whom were incredibly poor. We had the Route 1 corridor, also very poor. Then there were areas like Clifton and Burke that were very wealthy. Students from all areas and backgrounds attended our school.
You tend to look at only the stereotypes of a particular area and work off that whenever it suits you. Then you cry foul when someone does that about Buffalo. The fact that your son claims that his experience helped prepare him for today is great; however that is an opinion based on experience. He did not attend school in the suburbs and does not live the life of those who did, so he is either projecting his experience on others in a very arrogant way, or he is just guessing about what they have gone through. To say that everyone in the suburban schools is wealthy and has limited worldly experience is naive. I know families in the suburbs who have traveled the world for work, they have lived in other countries where poverty truly exists. When you claim poverty in America you are still light years ahead of where other countries are.
The fact is that your son does not know the experience of growing up in the suburbs, because you chose not to raise him in the suburbs. Any claim of comparison is based off observations and stereotypes, the same thing you accuse suburbanites of doing with the city.
We all have opinions related to our experience. My experience is not limited to life in the city, I have spent a lot of time in the suburbs and have many friends and relatives in our neighboring communities. My comments are generally in response to the usual anti city diatribes that tend to dominate most discussions. Playing defense sometimes requires a little offense, I make no apologies for doing so.
You have spent time visiting the suburbs, just like some suburbanites spend time visiting the city. By and large, the majority of comments on BRO are pro-city, almost to a fault. The comments tend to blame others for our dysfunctions and shirk our responsibility for where we are today.
You don't need to apologize to anyone. Most racists won't apologize for their ignorance when they make offensive comments on Buffalo News online. They also tend to feel that they are right in what they are saying and will use a few scattered examples of comments or news articles that prove their position. You are who you are, you feel that you are right in making ill-informed judgments about the suburbs but not allowing the same judgments to be made about Buffalo. As Cleveland Brown says "We can dress as you all, but you all can't dress as us!".
Your analogy to a racist defending their comments is ridicuolous. Being critical of the suburbs and defending the city does not compare. You probably know that but felt the need to attack the person rather than the argument.
Your own bias is quite evident. You take the easy route of blaming the victim. Most of your posts are critical of those at the bottom while absolving those at the top of any responsibilty. Those with the power to affect change are not held accountable while those that are powerless are. Attacking the school system and the poor is much easier than looking at the other factors that have created the problems we have today.
There it is! There is the victim statement. In your eyes the poor are victims of the wealthy. You claim that they are at the bottom and are victims of those at the top. That those at the top should take responsibility for those at the bottom, while those at the bottom have no responsibility for themselves or their position.
What you have just described is the easy way out! Create and perpetuate the victim mentality that absolves a person from any responsibility for their own actions or decisions. Their position is the result of a conspiracy to keep them down.
The thing here is that you are assuming what my position is, but we all know what yours is. I'll fill you in on a few details about my position so you don't have to guess any longer. I support the living wage and higher wages for employees. I support a ratio of highest earners to lowest earners that has been proposed in the recent past. I agree with giving those who work more to live on to further their socioeconomic status. I support workplace education and tuition reimbursement programs to help them advance their careers. I support welfare and benefits to assist those who need it. What I don't support is generational welfare and unchecked handouts to those who can help themselves.
I advocate for the working poor, not generational welfare. I am in complete agreement with your last paragraph concerning the living wage, wage ratio, and other programs to enable the working poor. If all of these were instituted welfare as we know it would probably no longer be necessary. That said, I don't see any momentum in that direction.
I don't know anyone that's 'against' the working poor. The issue for those in a position to hire and employ is that paying the type of benefits you list quickly makes the business uncompetitive. In my opinion, the Statler going without a bidder underscores the point that if you follow every city guidline, pay everyone union rates, and pay all the taxes associatied with the project, you can't make a go of it.
Diatribe: a bitter, sharply abusive denunciation, attack, or criticism.
My previous comment was not a diatribe. This one, however, will be:
I have no sentimental attachment to the City of Buffalo. I wasn't born here and I did't grow up here. I live here because there are things about it I like. I won't hesitate to leave if I feel like it. I'm accutely aware of the problems and shortcomings that exist here. I'm not as much of a booster as you'd think.
Where I'm from there is actual wealth and actual high-performing schools. I was born in New York City and my parents moved to Long Island so I would not have to go to a school named "PS." So, I completely understand where you're coming from with regards to schools. However, if you think any of those "Business First" rankings are evidence of anything, think again. None of those schools comes close to the type of academic achievement and expectations that are standard at the majority of Long Island (public) schools. Sorry, but if you are a public school and you can't make the USNews top 100, the conversation ends right there. City, suburb - makes no difference. The problem with Buffalo is low expectations in all facets of life. You were raised to accept mediocrity, or worse even. Arguing over which school is "better" among Erie County school districts is like comparing different colored Chevy Cobalts. They're all the same - substandard at best.
So, having said that, City Honors would be the only public school round these parts that I would "risk" my child's future on. But since you are so satisfied with such stunning educational mediocrity, then by all means, flaunt it.
I agree with you. We have very low expectations in all facets of life in WNY. City Honors is the only Buffalo Public School that is even close to being on par with our suburban schools, which are sub-par to other schools in the nation.
The only chance that a family has for their children in WNY is to risk the lottery system in the Buffalo Schools, or move them to a suburban school that is at least as good as the best in Buffalo. I would love to see WNY consolidate school districts and create a truly gifted and talented school for the entire area. Imagine how well a school would perform if they had the best and brightest from all of WNY, not just the students who are left in Buffalo. If that isn't possible, then we should create a gifted and talented program from the northern and southern suburban districts. Take the best and brightest from the three Williamsville Schools, Amherst, Sweet Home, Clarence, etc and put them in one school and we will have another program that more than likely will receive national recognition like City Honors. In other words, we take out the underperformers in these schools and focus on the best like City Honors does, and we have a school that will be nationally recognized and will raise the bar for the rest of the schools in the area.
People left (and are still leaving) Buffalo and similar cities, because the cities failed the people, not the other way around. For some, it's not worth risking their family's security and safety to try and save the old neighborhood from further decline. We need to hold our elected officials accountable and make Buffalo a more attractive and inviting city to live in. We can do all the Buffalo boosting we want on websites like this, but until the real problems are faced, we're just going to see more of the same. It's all fine and dandy to get excited about new boutiques and winebars opening, but it doesn't change the fact that we have an enormous amount of crime and poverty and real urban problems that must be addressed. Otherwise, we can't blame people for wanting to seek sanctuary in the suburbs.
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Downtown is not a joy or an attraction.
Downtown is an expense and a hassle because of parking.
If you force people to pay more for parking then they will go to greater lengths to avoid it and defeat all the money we are spending to develop downtown as a business, commercial, government and cultural center.
The only option is to use increased parking fees to increase the free convenience of accessing downtown thu trolleys and free light rail park and rides.
As we have learned from the Bed Tax on Hotel Rooms, Casino Revenue and other taxes our government will promise a tax for a purpose and then put it in a general purpose budget which they will only then allocate a fraction if any amount at all.
However, any attempt in my opinion to raise parking costs will result in more avoidance of downtown.
The Beltway must be re-activated.
The Airport Corridor must get built with longterm commitments to Darien Lake and Batavia.
The Amherst corridor must get built perhaps even to Lockport
Perhaps even a trolley for Elmwood
The fate of our city as a regional center depends on making downtown an inexpensive convenience rather than expensive avoidance.
"If you force people to pay more for parking then they will go to greater lengths to avoid it and defeat all the money we are spending to develop downtown as a business, commercial, government and cultural center."
this logic has been motivating parking policies downtown for generations. if it worked, we'd have an urban paradise. if low rents were the deciding factor, we'd all want to live in broadway fillmore.
all shoup is saying is charge market rates, just like for food and shelter, and turn the proceeds over to the neighborhood for amenities like landscaping, sidewalk repair, street furniture, store facades. the market will reward the more desirable place (allen street) over the less desirable place (washington street, which has how many ramp garages and parking lots?).