City December 8, 2009 2:01 PM

Mayor's Forum on Jobs and Economic Growth

Mayor’s Forum on Jobs and Economic Growth

From your lips to President Obama's ears.  Mayor Byron W. Brown's local forum on jobs and the economy is set to go tomorrow, Wednesday, December 9th from 4:00 to 6:30PM, at the Buffalo Niagara Convention Center.  The local forum is designed to produce job creation and economic development ideas for the Obama administration.


Participation is free, but prior registration is required. Anyone wishing to participate can register online here, fax an RSVP to 716.851-5052, or call 3-1-1. Questions about the forum can also be addressed by calling 3-1-1.


"This is an excellent opportunity for a broad range of stakeholders to come together in a unified setting and discuss ways for the President and our country to do what's the single most important action that can move our economy forward and keep it strong - create good, lasting jobs for our citizens," said Mayor Brown.


The following three questions will be posed to all of the forum participants:


1. What's working in Buffalo-Niagara region that might be useful to other places across the nation?

2. What specific barriers are stopping more growth; what could the White House do right now to help overcome them and grow more of what's working?

3. What other issues and ideas should the President consider?

Forum participants will not be asked to represent a designated group. For instance, just because someone is from a business doesn't mean they'll be asked to speak on behalf of all businesses in the region.  They're not expected to represent all workers, all economists, all job seekers, etc.  More importantly, the forum wants participants to speak on behalf of themselves and their own personal experience.  In turn, it's requested that they listen to the personal experience of others at the forum. 


After checking in, the participants, based on how they designate their background (e.g., business owner/management; labor rep/union member; financial industry; economic development; academic/researcher/policy; non-profit advocate; citizen) will be directed to pre-determined tables for the various groups established for the forum discussion.


After each table discusses the three forum questions, the forum organizers will place the  answers and ideas into a format the White House can read, understand and act on. The answers will be summarized into the most actionable, most important perspectives from Buffalo and our region--table by table. 


Each table will have a volunteer moderator who will help the group come to quick agreement about the most important answers from the question's discussion. The moderators will act as "recorders" as the group comes to agreement on the top 5 most unique things that they agree need to go to Washington.  Not all the people at the table have to agree on every one of the 5, but these will be considered unique perspectives that will be forwarded to Washington for the Obama Administration's consideration.

 


 

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speaking of the mayor, be sure to give this article a gander:
http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/885547.html?imw=Y

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Just like a slitting a wrist ..

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So basically, the City's economic development agency gave a grant to a restaurant that didn't generate much, if any, new business or any new jobs, so no real return on investment. In my professional opinion, there should've been some performance guarantees and clawbacks if the business failed to deliver. The article didn't say how much, if any, of the owners own money was invested. Incentives are suppose to entice businesses to invest money and create jobs, generating new payroll dollars, sales tax revenue, and property tax revenue. My guess is that the business is now suffering from the burden of higher property taxes after reassessment. It sounds like the grant probably had the opposite effect and ended up creating an economic hardship for the business through higher property taxes.

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Clawbacks would be next to impossibile to enforce when businesses close down, which happens often. Also it could be very subjective to devise performace guarantee conditions for these kinds of businesses and enforce them fairly and usefully. It's difficult to do either of those even for more established corporations.

I'd go a few steps further and say the city should just end BERC and stop using loans and grants to choose winners among businesses, industries (restaurant, hair care, retail, etc.), and streets (Jefferson, Seneca). It would help the city's poor residents more effectively to instead use that money for basic city services that impact quality of life and for non-traditional education programs like for adult literacy and GEDs to make more people employable.

That change won't happen, of course. City politicians seem to love the current system even if they agrue about which businesses and streets should get BERC money.

Just shifting customers and jobs around from one restaurant, barber, or coffee house to another isn't real economic growth.

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We can agree to disagree on if the city should be providing assitance to local entrepreneurs to revive commercial districts and create jobs.

I do like your idea of dedicating funds for adult education to combat poverty. How can somebody get a job, or start a business if they dont have basic skills?

Maybe a more effective anti-poverty plan would include less seed money for new businesses and more towards adult education.

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Geez, I would I was the only one getting re-assessed every 2-3 years? Just got a letter in the mail this week. Anyone else in North Buff as lucky?

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ditto here on Norwalk

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Nothing here (yet) but Im about 27k over already according to an appraiser. I plan on going to city hall this month to challenge my assesment. Anybody out there done this before?

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Yea, basically just run a bunch of comps from recent home sales in your area, print out listings of current listings, etc. You go into a room with about 5 incompetent stiffs, they will have a picture of your house on a projector and ask you why you feel your assessment should be altered. You state your case, then they tell you that you will receive a notice in the mail regarding the results of your challenge. It should always be challenged every time, by everyone. I challenged mine a few years back, he reduced it down a bit, split the difference, bit I wouldn't expect them to knock of 27k. Its worth a shot though. Our recent re-assessment was only a 5k increase, but we plan to challenge it on principal.

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It's easy poodle, tell your landlord to handle it.

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You shouldn't expect government to be run like a business. We all know how bad that is for the area. We shouldn't expect accountability for employees and grantees, that is not what government should do. Government should just hand out the money based on good intentions and hope that the business succeeds. That is what a good democratic government will do for the people. Free money for everyone who needs it.

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"Free money for everyone who needs it."

I wonder if that's sho'nuff being sarcastic, or maybe it's Heather being serious after accidently using his login again?

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No, I was being sarcastic.

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Here's another from the other day:
http://www.buffalonews.com/home/story/884198.html

City BERC paid more into cosmetic improvements to a barbershop and, from what it appears, the adjoining residence, than they paid into the entire west side...

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lower taxes and reduce unfriendly-to-business regulations!

TADA!

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Does anybody honestly think that the White House is going to listen to economic development ideas from one of the poorest cities in the nation? Here's an idea Byron, how about generating some economic development ideas for the City of Buffalo??? I love how his press machine is spinning this like Barack Obama personally called him and asked him to hold this forum. Just another opportunity to pose for the cameras!

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the mayor's jobs program is simple: boot out olmsted and hire 50 grassroots members for the parks.

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I stil predict eventually the city and Olsted will agree on a deal.

The Buffalo News today reported a major remaining obstacle to a deal is the city wants Olmsted to pay workers the "living wage" (see last sentence below). It will be ironic if any of Mayor Brown's liberal critics who often support laws that force the "living wage" to be paid now in this case are taking Olmsted's side against paying it instead of the Brown administration's position that it must be paid.

http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/buffaloerie/story/886870.html
"...Later Monday, mayoral spokesman Peter K. Cutler said that based on a 2004 pact between Buffalo and Erie County, the conservancy would continue to operate the Olmsted parks through next year. “It is my understanding that this agreement would continue for a year following the transition of the parks from the county to the city,” Cutler said.

But David J. Colligan, conservancy chairman, said the absence of an agreement on compensation for such services jeopardizes the partnership. He said the two sides remain about $2 million apart, largely because of the city’s insistence that the conservancy comply with a living wage provision, equipment needs and inflationary riders. ..."

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Why would the BOPC have a problem with a living wage requirement, given that the city is the one paying them to hire the workers? If the city wants to pay a certain wage, fine - that just becomes part of the total cost of the contract to the city.

That News article makes it sound like the city is insisting on these things but not being able or willing to pay for it. That doesn't make much sense, but that's how it reads to me.

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The problem is "living wage" is a code for union workers, which in turn puts severe restrictions on what thousands of volunteers can and can't do.

Right now it's a perfect balance of volunteers, seasonal workers and private funding, which will ALL go away when union jobs become the elephant in the room. And for what purpose? So Byron Brown can please the union fo 50 jobs, already being done - and done well.

And by the way, don't think it's just a matter of "going union", all the current workers will lose their jobs, which then become gifts for the mayor to give out = patronage jobs.
Ever try to tell a patronage worker what to do?
The whole thing sucks, it gives Urkel some scraps while the citizens (not the city) pay more and gets less, from inexperienced workers.

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Best comment I have read so far. I could not agree more....Someone needs to call this baffoon out at the meeting today. I have a feeling that I may get arrested by his GOONS if I speak up the way that I want to....VIVA LA REVOLUTION!

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JSmith>"Why would the BOPC have a problem with a living wage requirement, given that the city is the one paying them to hire the workers?"

If BOPC has no problem with it, why would he [Colligan, chair of BOPC] be paraphrased by the Buffalo News as saying the living wage provision is one of the three big unresolved issues? The first mentioned, in fact: "...He said the two sides remain about $2 million apart, largely because of the city’s insistence that the conservancy comply with a living wage provision, ..."

Based on that report, apparently the BOPC chairman has some problem with it.


Chenango>"The problem is "living wage" is a code for union workers..."

Chenango, doesn't the council majority including Franczyk and Kearns usually support pretty much everything the city worker unions want? If unionization is the issue as you say, then isn't it strange that this one time those guys are complaining so much against what they usually support?

This sounds to me like a lot of public posturing on all sides - Brown, BOPC, and the council.

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Well the next line in the article is:

"The contract is in place to make us do the work, but they’re saying the money isn’t there to pay us for it," Colligan said.

...which reads to me as if the city is demanding a living wage requirement but isn't willing to pay for it. Which is bizarre, but then, I think this whole saga is bizarre.

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JSmith>"demanding a living wage requirement but isn't willing to pay for it"

When the city demands its other vendors pay a living wage, do they automatically give them more $ in payments? I doubt it. Maybe to raise worker pay, vendors like Olmsted and others find they need to reduce management salaries or find other cost savings. Or maybe they need to reduce the number of workers or their hours, or a combination of all those. Money doesn't grow on trees for anybody - not for Olmsted and not in the city budget.

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We still need an over all development plan for this city. We have so many empty lots downtown. Let's fill them in with LARGE Class A Office spaces, mixed in with condo's, retail stores, restaurant, ect. Market the new and current spaces nationaly and internationaly. Go after the Fortune 500 Company's and SELL THIS AREA. Go after the National Retailers and get them on Main Street again. We have local developers working solo but not together, this needs to stop. We need all the developers and so called city planners at one table to create an OVER ALL DEVELOPMENT PLAN FOR THIS CITY. This is one thing that could create jobs, if we just had a plan, started building new spaces and promoted the heck out of it. THE RIGHT WAY.

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Is that all we have to do? That sounds so simple, why hasn't anyone thought of that before. Bring in Class A office spaces, built to the curb with mixed use condos, retail, and stores. Market the class A space to fortune 500 companies who are just waiting on the opportunity to uproot their entire company and workforce to be on the ground floor of this amazing opportunity. Bring in retailers like Ikea and Nordstroms to bring retail back to Main Street. Why not throw in a few provisions to stop development on Transit, Milestrip, and Niagara Falls Boulevard and bring those stores to Buffalo.


All we need is a plan. That seems to be all Buffalo is lacking, right, we just need a plan.

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We do need a comprehensive economic strategy. I cannot find one anywhere on the city's website. I think UB has more direction than the city has. Does anyone know if the city has a plan? Do we know if Byron Brown has goals for the city or if he has an idea of where we want to go?

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LOWER OUR TAXES!

We've been screaming that for years and they still don't know how to improve business around here!

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That's right. All one has to do (I would assume but doubt anyone from City Hall has already) look at those succesful cities that are looking at thier downtown and cities as a whole. Have 10,20 plus years vision for what and where to put new development. We need to have a say in the suburban sprawl as it seems many in the burbs are tired of the extra traffic and development in Clarence, Amherst, Williamsville, ect. Why not bring that development into the City? WE WANT IT!!!!

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Then earn it. People and companies are fleeing the city for a reason. How about we focus on fixing that instead of whining about the suburbs.

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Big cities with a thriving downtown usually have a thriving suburb as well. They usually complement each other well and offer residents, businesses, restaurants, and retailers a good mix of options. These cities also have thriving districts that centralize and cater to certain groups. In Buffalo we have several stable areas that are all pretty much the same, affluent and mostly white, then we have the rest of the city. We have a city that is threatened by the suburbs and suburbs that see the city as a wasteland. We have a long way to go.

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Would you move your business to an area that cannot control their local finances? A place where there is an ongoing FBI investigation into financial corruption by the Mayor and the city's economic development agency? Would you want to develop your business in an area where you are going to pay out more in taxes and fees than other comparable cities? Would you build your company in an area that is as blatantly unfriendly to business as Buffalo? A place where having a non-union workforce will bring picketers and protests. A place with high unemployment and very few qualified candidates for most corporate positions.

1. What is working in Buffalo. A. Not much.

2. What specific barriers are stopping more growth. A. You need look no further than City Hall to find the major barriers stopping growth. Go a little further and look at the anti-business environment in Buffalo and the State. Look to people like Blackrocklifer as an example of how Buffalonians feel about big business that brings jobs.

2b. What could the White House do right now to help overcome them and grow more of what's working? A. Nothing, this is a local and state problem. Short of throwing good tax revenue after bad, the Federal government can do little to influence what is happening here. This is a local and state issue that must be addressed at this level. The Brown administration has already proven that they cannot adequately handle financial concerns, and especially cannot handle federal funds granted to the city.

3. What other issues and ideas should the President consider? A. Let him focus on fulfilling campaign promises of 1) Ending the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, 2) Developing an alternative to President Bush's Military Commissions Act on handling detainees, 3) Urging states to treat same-sex couples with full equality in their family and adoption laws, 4) Increasing the minimum wage to $9.50 an hour, 5) Tougher rules against revolving door for lobbyists and former officials 6) the list goes on and on and on.

Let Barack Obama focus on the important things that will bring meaningful change to the country instead of burdening him with local issues that we have the control to change.

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Ugh, so many of you people keep rehashing the same, tired "sunbelt" economic development strategies of.....lower taxes durrr, woo Fourtune 500 companies to set up shop here...durrr...

Scoring some new McJobs from big companies headquarted somewhere else is not a sustainable long-term economic development strategy. Bribing a Fourtune 500 to set up ancillary operations here will yield some neat little short-term results like a modest boost to the suburban housing market, a very new stores at the Walden Galleria, and maybe some fresh coats of paint on some Transit Rd. stripmalls...but in the end those same companies can such as easily pull those jobs when times get though as they can bring them here.

What we need are creative people who think outside the box and the rich people who make their dreams become innovative new businesses. We need real entrepreneurs, not mid-level-salary office grunts. Notice how the biggest startup hubs are in interesting areas anchored by a big university, not in low-tax sprawlhavens with a "traditional/family values" atmosphere.

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Sho’nuff: I agree with most of what you have said but must disagree with some of it.

Yes until the overhead is lowered in Buffalo there will be no growth, no new company is going to build up in the places with the highest taxes, most unionized, strictest regulations and highest utilities in the country. Its not shocking that nothing is going to spring up if it doesn’t have. However there are a few things the Feds could do. While I am against them in principle, since its more of the stealing money from a productive group to award an unproductive one, but that is the way it works right now.

The two things the Feds could do right now, are extend the light rail line in Buffalo to connect the airport to the city, and the city to the Falls. And build a twin span for the Peace Bridge. Two Huge investments that will greatly help the city.

As for the state and local issue I am fully on board with that! Please deem buffalo a ‘special economic zone’ and cut it loose of NYS for 10 years and see what deregulation and bring in.

In regard to the things you have requested OB do. I’ll talk about 3 and 4,

3) Same sex marriage? Not sure how that is going to improve the lot for most Americans, extending benefits/tax incentives will decrease state/fed revenue will raising the cost private employers. Aside from that at the federal level its as like if not more the country as a whole would vote against those issues as we have seen in the states. Messy and not really something that needs to be focused on right now.

4) Increasing the minimum wage right now is the same thing as increasing the interest rate. It forces out more jobs, so you have old minimum people making a $3120 more per year. So to keep the pay roll balanced you would need to fire 1 in 6 of the minimum wage people to keep it level, not to mention the people who were making $9.50 will now want to make $11. Now we have an extra person on unemployment so the tax needs to go up on the 5 with jobs, effectively canceling the growth in pay. The situation you are left with are 5 people are working as hard as 6 and one of them can’t contribute, falling out of use. Terrible situation

I can understand that you wish to see your ideological agenda pushed forward, but the government needs to be pragmatic and do what is best for the country, not interest groups.

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