Real Estate December 15, 2009 1:35 PM

Canal Side Takes Two Steps Forward

Canal Side Takes Two Steps Forward

The Erie Canal Harbor Development Corporation (ECHDC) board of directors today awarded a $1,771,693 construction monitoring services contract to LiRo Engineers, Inc. for impending Canal Side project-related work.  In addition, the harbor corporation formally recommended that the Empire State Development (ESD) board or directors officially adopt the Canal Side General Project Plan (GPP).

Under the $1.7 million contract with LiRo Engineers Inc., the company will be authorized to provide pre-construction services with regard to design of the Canal Side project's proposed public canal features and infrastructure elements, as well as the below grade parking structure and Canal Side Hall building.  Subsequent phases of work will proceed upon receipt of project approvals.

The ECHDC also formally recommended that ESD approve the Canal Side GPP during the parent corporation's upcoming December board of directors meeting.  The GPP, which is required by Section 10(g) of the NYS Urban Development Corporation Act, provides a comprehensive analysis of the Canal Side project and details the associated economic benefits of revitalizing large swaths of previously underutilized waterfront lands in downtown Buffalo.  Contents of the GPP include: project site summaries, backgrounds and history; environmental review specifications; land acquisition and usage details; design and construction process evaluation; cost benefit analysis; preliminary funding sources and uses information; required affirmative action program goals; as well as land zoning authority.   

"Recommendation of the GPP is yet another important hurdle in our drive to make Canal Side a reality for the people of WNY," said ECHDC Chairman Jordan Levy.  "This positive advancement is a direct result of the enhanced waterfront commitment offered by Governor Paterson and his team at the NYPA this past weekend, and we are extremely grateful for their efforts to bolster Canal Side and the overall revitalization effort."

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According to preliminary figures included in the GPP, the Canal Side project is estimated to have a total price tag of $294,829,687, made up of both public and private investment.  Funding sources include $154,100,000 in monies received from the New York Power Authority, New York State, the Federal Transit Authority, the Federal Highway Authority, and Empire State Development, as well as $140,880,000 in projected private financing.

Proposed Canal Side project expenditures include $112,249,687 for major public infrastructure improvements, including: public canals, towpaths, lighting, canopies, signage, canal bridge spans, replica packet boats and barges, improved streetscapes, floating docks, public parking options, the Prime Slip, Canal Side Hall, the Gateway Building, the Atrium Building, design costs, contingencies, and other canal district/inner harbor improvements. 

Bass Pro Shops will continue to receive an inducement package through the funding plan, as originally set forth in a pre-development agreement executed by the company and ECHDC in late-2007.  In addition, a $4,000,000 incentive will be utilized to help attract a second anchor tenant to Canal Side.  Private development efforts are expected to make-up the remainder of the total project cost, to the tune of $140,880,000. 

Work is expected to start next June. 

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I know its probably outlined somewhere, but when or what phase do they start building the Bass Pro?

After they dig the rest of the Canal, Infrastructure, etc?

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Bass pro goes in as soon as they commit, I imagine. Probably prior to the canal extension. But who the hell knows...

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Bass Pro cannot legally commit until the full environmental docs are ready. I believe that opportunity period is finally coming up soon (Jan/Feb). Others may know the exact date.

Today, Business First (BF) is reporting that Marriott is considering two hotels, presumably the talked about one in the Donovan Bldg. and the other near the wharf area.

BF is also reporting there is a $4M incentive for one other major retail anchor. Talks are in the works and was not named.

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In a recent post WCPerspective suggests "Rebuilding Downtown Retail- Start Small".

That would apply here too?

I think any steps forward to build the DGEIS "preferred alternative" is a giant step backwards.

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I'm getting more than a little frustrated with "bass pro", and how long it is taking to get them 100%, without a doubt, ready to build, on board with this.

I know the project is centered around them, but at this point, I might be doing some 'behind the scenes' looking around for something to replace Bass pro, should they decide to not make it happen, or just drag their feet.

Once again, I have not been following this store line by line, so I don't now how much of this project requires them...just when I hear "bass pro downtown", I am starting to have feelings similar to when I hear "new Peace bridge".

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from what ive seen/ heard Bass Pro is supposed to be the cornerstone of CanalSide. This is why i bring it up. if May 2011 is the opening, why isnt there a push to get this going?

Next its gonna be January 2012 then May 2012.

Lets go already! I'll even bring a hammer and start myself.

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Any word yet on other big retailers or restaurants commited to moving into the Canal District yet? I'm not feeling too confident about the Bass Pro being the ONLY retailer coming in and then waiting to see who else may or may not move in this district. Not a good sign when all is complete and all we end up with are empty storefronts and a Bass Pro shop in the middle of it all.

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bass pro is buffaloese for silver bullet.

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I hate to sh*t all over this well-meant attempt, but it is terrible.

We're spending $295 MILLION to costume a big box store in a historic warehouse. We're constructing a CARTOON of a long-gone industrial area, and installing NONE of the real, functional tenants of a truly vibrant city area.

And the worst part is, for all of this "investment," we don't get a city out of it. We get a commercial pod at the end of Main St that people will visit the 3 or 4 times per year that they need to get something from Bass Pro, and a set of streets that will be as dead as Main St once the novelty wears off.

This is NOT GOOD ENOUGH.

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i'm definitely in agreement as far as the Bass Pro is concerned, but the rest of the build out shows some promise. if you want people to start moving downtown, you have to make being in an urban environment a wonderful, convenient and livable experience (which it really is) for those who are not familiar with it. does anyone know the final count for the number of residential units planned here?

clockhill- have you seen this image?
http://www.buffalorising.com/bigpicture.png

if the BP is built with reuse in mind, and all of the areas shown are a dense, livable neigborhood, i think its got a chance.

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Bass Pro will never happen

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My brother in law is friends with the founder of basspro and he says Buffalo is a city in need of new leadership and his company has lost any interest in a city that let a loony bird (s) drive the decision making on development. It will never happen and the water front is never going to happen because some loon will file a law suit and the common counsel will ring there hands and the mayor will just keep increasing the fine and tickets driving and tourism we do have a way he did at the last taste of buffalo friends of ours came five hundred miles and got a parking ticket on a and got a parting ticket on a Saturday, and said they would never come again. This city dives any business away with its restrictive rule and its rigged system of bids. You have to be a friend of our corrupt mayor to get any where and his thugs men need to go also!

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Yup, if Brown and the african americans that support him continue managing Buffalo like Detroit then Buffalo will increasingly follow the path and resemble Detroit.

While Canalside is a good first step, there is alot of infrastructure that needs to happen before Bass Pro opens its doors.

I think it would help if Canalside was tied into a bigger picture that incorporates:
Squaw Island and Breaker wall
Peace Bridge and Front Park
Niagara Street
Buffalo State Great Lakes Marine Center
Ward Pumping Station
LaSalle Park
Waterfront Residential (ojibwa)
Marina Towers and Naval Park
Canalside
DL&W
Buffalo Creek Casino
New Convention and Conference Center.

Right now...the Marina Towers act like a BARRIER to the rest of the waterfront

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Wow - way to paint an awful blanket picture of one race to illustrate what is going wrong with local politics.

-There are plenty of white people who support Brown

-There are plenty of African Americans who do not

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no kidding. since buffalo's problems reach back several decades, let's hear johnq condemn all italians (masiello) and irish (griffin) and poles (makowski), too.

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Merry Christmas to Grad94,
Masiello who I here now has cancer and wish him well was a buffoon and an embarrassment. He acted as though he did not know who worked for him or where his office was located each day. Everyday people wondered who was telling him how to run the city because he gave no impression that he was capable of figuring it out for himself.

Makowski was the mirror image of Masiello. Anyone who remembers Makowski bulding a brick fortress around the circle only to have the entire city outraged and then demolish it...

There was no blind allegiance to Masiello or Makowski because they were Italian or Polish, or Griffin because he was irish as there is blind allegiance for Brown because he is african american.

Further, Im not sure if this is a saving grace or not but neither Masiello, Makowski or Griffin were political animals but very real relatible people. Brown is very much a political animal bring all the machine knowledge from Albany to Buffalo to control City Hall. It allows him to control it better and direct money to the eastside but the city is no better off.

Final Word, if we are truly a race blind society then we dont need affirmative action and special privileges and quotas for women and minorities but since there are one must conclude that the people who are in positions used their advantages to get their and stay there. Grad94, either give up your special rights and live like the rest of us or admit the hypocrisy of using gender and minority status when its to your advantage and then dismiss it as prejudiced when you have to defend it.

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oh please. irish south buffalo would vote for jimmy in the grave if they could. wasn't masiello's base the italian west side? i guess ethnic loyalty is a crime only when black people do it.

but your right about my special privileges. as a white guy i shouldn't have any and neither should you.

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"oh please. irish south buffalo would vote for jimmy in the grave if they could."

I liked it...very funny but I gave you my opinion and did not play favorites. You may disagree but if I have sacred cows they are not based on race, minority status, gender or sexual orientation...but turn of the century cobblestone streets where the tree canopy forms a cathedral like arch for those below, flickering street lights, and weekend dinners together...and the hope that poor or wealthy...we can appreciate more to life than suburban traffic jams and megastores...and the race for one person or group to out victimize the other...thus proving themselves worthy of first dibs.

I see 2 Buffalo's. One romantic of how it could be...and often seem preachy about and the other suffocatingly corrupt, toxic and nearly hopeless...but I guess if there wasnt a true love for my hometown...there would not be the hope for what it should be and the despair of all that it is not.

oh...and before your liberalism rushes you to the defense of your statements based on allegiances you might want to check out the demographics of voting. The demographics will tell you what groups have the most heterogenous voting records and what groups have the most homogenous voting records. Certain groups do have very homogenous voting demographics repeatedly. With that...Im done...Merry Christmas to all.

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what? is your keyboard broken? coherent? first, were they actually legally parked? saturday or not a handicapped spot is still a handicapped spot. if they don't want to come back because they got a ticket, that's pretty lame but w/e. bye-bye. second, I don't know if I'd call the press on that info. brother-in-law, yada, yada. sounded sketchy and rambling. i doubt there is a giant conspiracy where ECHDC, et. al. have major reason to believe it isn't happening. if your brother-in-law's friend, the founder, has reason to believe this store isn't going to happen, then he should be a professional on his end. they're just as much to blame as anyone.

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"friends of ours came five hundred miles and got a parking ticket on a and got a parting ticket on a Saturday, and said they would never come again."


Ha! How narcissistic are you and your friends if you think that a parking ticket is some sort of personal affront? If you park somewhere you're not supposed to park, you could very well get a parking ticket. Are your friends special? Should society's mundane rules and regulations not apply to them? What other rules do they think they should be allowed to ignore in various other cities? Should they be allowed to shoplift in Cleveland? Murder people in Detroit?


"Hey, the Rust Belt is so desperate, they should just be happy to have us!" Right? Is that how that works?

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read my mind. rock on!

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"Canalside" is a money-grabbing, out of control cancer. If it ever DOES attract the hoped-for amount of retail, it will guarantee the permanent death of downtown Main Street. A huge fortune is being dumped into one of the worst and least desirable spots in the entire county. Building a fake plastic village underneath an elevated highway? And digging out a SEWER because it was once a "canal"? Really? That's the best we can do? Nobody can think of better ways to use $300million, apparently.

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I know this is supposed to be a big tourist draw for our region, which it should be, but I really hope they are planning this to be an asset to the residents. I mean I don't want this to be like Diseney Land or Bourbon St. If it's a place we only go when we have friends in town then it will probably fail. There definately needs to be a good mix of retail and attractions for every day use by nearby residents or commuters who work nearby. It also needs to be set up so that we can either walk or park there without too much hassle. I hope there's enough local and national retail and restaurants to go to on a regular basis, not just for a special occasion. We should really capitalize on the Canadian element as well, it would be great if the retail and entertainment would draw them to downtown, not cheektowaga.

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I very much agree, and I love the characterization above about a "fake plastic village underneath an elevated highway."

This point is made more relevant when I point out again that Benderson is the "preferred developer" for the project (you know, the company with all of the vacant, unadorned cinder block buildings surrounded by empty blacktop parking lots and zero landscaping). Hey, maybe we're returning to our roots. According to The Buffalo History Works, "95% of the buildings [at the Pan-American Exposition] were constructed of wooden frames and chicken wire with a base coat of plaster." That sounds just like a Benderson development to me.

One of my biggest problems with the Canalside project is that there is very little attempt to integrate it into the community. Somebody else above called it a “pod,” which I think is another good characterization as it tends to imply a self-contained unit. This project isn't what I would call a "mixed-use development." It's barely a multi-use development. Where is the residential? In my opinion, if locals don't live there, locals won't go there, except as you say, "when we have friends in town.” Out-of-towners and suburbanites will be down there for Sabres games, but they’re mad if they think I’m going to forsake a place like Pearl Street Brewery for a Bubba Gump Shrimp Comp when it comes to hanging out Downtown and having some food and drinks before the game.

This entire project amounts to a big outdoor shopping mall that will be filled with stores like Pier 1 Imports and restaurants like Applebee’s. Words like kitschy, cliché, and hollow come to mind. I don’t see very much authenticity in this project, but I’m willing to give it a chance.

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"Sounds like a Benderson project to me." That's funny, but I do think the Pan Am plaster chicken huts kept water out longer than a Benderson project.

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Wow, that Bass Pro looks sooo beautiful!! I can't wait to ride my bike down there when it's built. Way better than the natural beauty of the waterfront... Way to go Buffalo!!!

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Bass Pro is not on the waterfront.Its on Main St.

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Do you have a point? As JW said it is being build canalside on Main St and will not distract from or obstruct the view of the waterfront.

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JohnQBuffalo---Your BS statements have no credibility when you lead off with a prejudice jab like that. If you disagree with the Mayor's policies and practices that's one thing. Throwing a blanket statement about him and "the African Americans that support him" is ignorant. The beurocracy of the City of Buffalo is much larger than the Mayor's office and includes people of all races/colors.

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Well said.

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Poodle: Anyway we can get that dog in the picture of yours into the pit. I like too see him square off, maybe win a few bucks

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Oh hes a big puss. Not a puss that has to compensate by talking tough on line but a puss nevertheless:)

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You always comment so I love how it gets to you. I would love to see that puss in the dog ring though. Nothing like a good pitbull fight, blood, yipping, money. It' so american and gangsta

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Maybe I'm blind, but I cannot find a copy of the actual plan ANYWHERE on the ECHDC website. Yeah, there are a lot graphics, but where is the narrative???

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The DGEIS is not the Plan. It contains a good description of the project, but it's a measure of the impacts of the project and devoid of the kind of rhetoric used to capture the vision of the project. Furthermore, it doesn't contain any of the renderings or graphics in context to the narrative. With the amount of documentation they have posted online, it seems almost deliberate that the final plan is not posted, as well.

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the design guidelines are at the bottom:
http://www.eriecanalharbor.com/canal_side.asp

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My brother in law visited Buffalo for the first time last summer. He did not park illegally. He lives in a Chicago suburb; has lived in Marin County, Baltimore, and Boulder.

Loved Buffalo. Wonders why it has a bad reputation.

BuffaloNiagaraPlanner - many, but not all, is available on their website. Upper right "DGEIS and related documents". you may have to be using Explorer as your browser:(

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Thanks to sin|ill for all the links (but unfortunately it just gave me ammo).

The designs are very good; the designers have studied their new urbanist handbooks for the LOOK of the place. But it still doesn't mix uses or have any other FUNCTION other than "office park." This is NOT a $295 MILLION DOLLAR city - this is an expensive office pod theatre playing the Bass Pro show. As per the plans listed here:

http://www.eriecanalharbor.com/canal_side.asp

you can see ZERO residences, and LITTLE of what they designate as "ground floor active use" (retail) FACES Main St. "There are no minimum requirements for on-street parking," (sec 4.2) and yet FIVE parking garages surround this development like a fortress (which themselves abut existing parking lots).

Don't insult us with Theme Park signs screaming "Canal Side" lest we mistake this area for a real city street instead of just a development. Don't orient your office park around a sunscorched gazebo in some mockery of a beloved town square (especially when the buildings turn a blank wall to the existing city, and Main St). And don't shove a cartoon of a long-gone industrial region down my throat just because modern designers have lost the talent to articulate buildings, terminate vistas in a meaningful way, and skillfully overlap people and uses that weave together into a neighborhood.

Canal Side is NOT GOOD ENOUGH for a city we love as much as this one. Just rebuild the street so it looks NORMAL, add one dignified row of trees, let people park, and put your $295 million into building buildings with some discipline, landscapes with some order, and allow people to live upstairs so maybe everything's not so desolate when Bass Pro starts closing at 6pm because everyone went home.

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AGREED. AGREED. AGREED.

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You're absolutely right.

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Yeah, and I want 50 story luxury condos instead of the Marine Drive Apts. Unless you have the money to throw into this pot, you can't pick and choose. Right now, it's a VACANT LOT, not a "tree-lined cobbled streetscape of quaint shops with residential upstairs". If it has the right bones, it can always be ammended but if it never gets built, you won't get $300 million for your vision. Sorry.

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more clockhill, less johnqbuffalo/christine/queen city/lou!

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