City November 16, 2009 10:15 PM

Investing in Transit: Current Challenges and Opportunities

Investing in Transit: Current Challenges and Opportunities

The Partnership for the Public Good is hosting a transit forum on Tuesday from 4 until 5:30 PM in the Cornell ILR School's second floor conference room, 237 Main Street downtown.  The forum, Investing in Transit: Current Challenges and Opportunities in Transportation Policy and Practice, will be moderated by Local Initiatives Support Corp's  Anthony Armstrong.

Transit systems across the country are facing both immense challenges and new opportunities.  Though the economic stimulus package has infused capital resources, drastic fiscal challenges loom in operating budgets.  Ridership levels spiked in 2008, but have declined rapidly with the onset of the recession and falling gas prices. 

A potentially transformational federal transportation bill is up for authorization, but public dialog has mainly been eclipsed by the health care debate.  Meanwhile, an older and increasingly disbursed population is becoming more and more difficult to serve by conventional transit.  With all of the factors weighing on these critical systems, come find out what's real and what's fake in the quest for high-quality transit options for our region.

The panel will feature:

• Bob Gower, NFTA Manger of Planning
• Wende Mix, Department of Geography and Planning, Buffalo State College
• Creighton Randall, Buffalo CarShare Executive Director

PPG Tuesday Forums are open to the public and free, but space is limited and
pre-registration is recommended by e-mailing ppgbuffalo@gmail.com.  Enter from Main Street and follow the signs or ask the security guard for directions.

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This sounds like the perfect time to bring up "Metro Rail Extention". With more people moving back into the city and who wants to keep spending money on a car? Public transit is cheaper, cleaner and can be made much easier if expanded.

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Can you tell us where the data indicates that the number of people moving into the city thus "buying its services and quality of life" is exceeding the number of people moving out? It is not being snide but until the politicians in city hall realize that they have to compete for residents and businesses this city will continues to get smaller and poorer.

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It wouldn't surprise me to see the migration patterns in Buffalo reversed. It would surprise me to learn that the number of new arrivals exceeds the number of people dying in the city. Natural increase is what Buffalo needs to turn its population around. Single people or child-less couples moving back in won't be enough.

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Lego1981>"With more people moving back into the city"

Are you saying there's more people moving into the city than moving out?


Lego1981>"who wants to keep spending money on a car?"

Not everybody, but almost everybody who can afford one wants to spend money on a car. Many people consider it money well spent. Not just for commuting, but also to easily get around for a lot of different reasons.

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BR>"A potentially transformational federal transportation bill is up for authorization, but public dialog has mainly been eclipsed by the health care debate"

Metro bus/rail is a much tougher sell when gas is cheap. It may take $4/gallon gas to put forward any serious plan to expand public transit through added bus routes and/or new rail lines.

Id love to know more about this federal transportation bill and its potential for expanding our light rail system. If there is money out there for that sort of thing we should fight for it.

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yet another worthy public program that the public cannot attend, if they have jobs, that is. if you scheduled it at 5:30 or 6, i'd have a sliver of hope of getting there after work.

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Exactly! It's as if these organizations don't actually want people to come and voice their opinions. What would work better is if there was a conference call number that people from all over the area could use to listen in.

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I agree, I get notices all the time for public hearings on building proposals in my neighborhod but they're always at like 10 am on a tuesday. I would go (to show my support usually) but I work in Williamsville so it's not possible. Would it kill them to have a weeknight session or even a webcam with live stream to at least find out what's going on?

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If someone affiliated with BR can make it to the forum (I work in the Falls, so no dice on attending this ...) could we have a follow-up, either via commenting here or as a followup article?

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On that note maybe someone from BRO can video tape it and upload it here so we can watch it and see it in context as opposed to just an article about it? That may take away from the point of this site though but maybe on the really important items?

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City, County and State are the worst with doing that to us.

Try holding public meetings in the evening hours or maybe even on a weekend.

The Auctions too, if they really wanted the right people to purchase housing at the auctions, they should do it on the weekends.

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Extensions all the way - north campus, airport and southtowns. Would there really enough riders to justify a high speed rail from New York to Buffalo? Sure it would be nice but tax payers would get a better (although still subsidized)bang for their buck on local extensions.

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"Ridership levels spiked in 2008, but have declined rapidly with the onset of the recession and falling gas prices."

Ridership has declined rapidly with the onset of the recession and falling gas prices. But there are other potential reasons for the decline in ridership. The population has continued to decline, for one. The fare also increased recently, which reduces the cost benefit of commuting by rail. And I personally stopped riding the train after two young "gentlemen" engaged in a knife fight in the isle next to my seat. Since the car was crowded, there was nowhere to go to get out of the way of the blade, for me or the other riders around me. I have seen fist fights and other crazy behavior on the train, that is simply unacceptable. And I used to take the subway in New York every day for many years, and have been on the subway in London, Paris, Toronto, San Francisco, and Munich...so it's not like I am hypersensitive. Buffalo's rail has a disproportionate amount of this type of activity, and the NFTA needs to take charge of that situation by increasing the presence of law enforcement on the train. Has anyone ever seen the video circulating worldwide on Youtube of the fight on Buffalo's commuter train? I wonder how many other formerly regular riders changed their mind about commuting on the metrorail after dangerous incidents like the one I experienced.

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To that point, there has been a huge increase in security on the trains and in the stations. I get on/off at the utica station, which can be a little rough, but I have never felt unsafe there. And there has also been a huge improvement in catching fare-evaders (which I once learned first hand), so hopefully that increase in revenue can be put towards some improvements.

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Some people would pay extra for that type of entertainment!

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P.S. I probably should have said that Buffalo "appears" to have a disproportionate amount of this type of activity, since I don't have the statistics to back up my personal observaions.

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Here's what Buffalo should do.

1. Go visit Portland.
2. Copy their exact system.
3. Fund it.

Stop the discussions, look at something that works incredibly well and copy it.
Don't make this difficult. The only hard thing is the funding.


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Could you elaborate on Portland's system? You've piqued my interest.

Also, does anyone find it completely ridiculous that we don't have a turnstyle system for our public transit? That is 99% fail-proof method, as opposed to letting anyone wander in with a 50% chance of getting caught by the 4 officials that seem to make up the security outfit of the subway system.

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For what its worth, I think everyone needs to take a different perspective that JUST current population and current sprawl and whether perople are moving into or out of what sections of the city. ITS AN OLD ARGUMENT.

If thats not the argument, then what should be the argument?

think of current and future growth potential as well as spin-off growth potential. of these, the following areas play prominently: downtown, Furhrmamm Boulevard (after the lift bridge connects it to downtown), the Larkin District, the Central Terminal, Life Sciences Fruit Belt, Buffalo State, Elmwood (potential for Trolley), Beltway, Niagara Street and Peace Bridge, Sheridan, Transit, Main, the Airport.

The potential for Buffalo is to take major centers of buffalo activities and growth...and link them so that together there is more economic activity, investment and growth than would happen individually.

Thus...this should be the real discussion.

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The "potential for Buffalo" is wrapped up in the cliche "build it and they will come," eventually. Until that eventual day we have to pay for the operations and maintenance of underutilized projects.

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Untrue-because there are people that will ride light rail and trolleys that will not ride buses.

Untrue-because we are not talking about a mass transportation grid that is dependent upon increasing population.

Look, the significant investment in our (recently new) airport has forced the NFTA to admit that future expansion is needed but the only place for it is on existing parking lots...and they can only give up those parking lots if light rail allows parking to be moved further away. So revenue sharing from off airport parking fees.

Look, the significant investment in new downtown hotels could also benefit new investment in downtown hotels needs to bring guests/patrons in order to be viable longterm, as well as, new convention center to attract more visitors.

The viability of many of our city's projects require complementing and integrated development to secure the revenues for their success.

Its not a Build it and they will come

Its a Build it with complementing and integrated projects so that their capacity and useage allows them to be self sufficient at revenue and subsidy rates.

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Express routes using articulated buses are the best option for Buffalo right now. But why wouldn't the NFTA craft a masterplan for light rail lines and get them shovel-ready? I think there is an appetite for more stimulus that is targeted, especially for infrastructure projects. That's where the bipartisan support is and that's where the money would go.

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Transit's success has been & will always be the movement of people for SHORT distances - through their own neighborhoods & to nearby areas. Any focus on long-distance trips from downtown to the suburbs will result in failure. Buffalo's electric line should have been built from downtown through the West Side, to Kenmore - not through the slums on Main Street.

When the streetcar companies began to fail, the first lines to close were the suburban and interurban lines, in every city.

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You cannot compare the failures of the 1950s with the failures today.

Inter-urbans failed as Eisenhower Autobahns were built connecting urban areas for cars and buses.

Trolley's failed as bricked roads became paved, sprawl was encouraged to counter the nuclear blast radius of atomic weapons...and of course the common answer of inexpensive housing for returning veterans. One then 2 car households became common.

In the 1950s, rail was also being replaced by air transportation.

TODAY, ALL OF THESE 1950 CHANGING PARADIGM SHIFTS ARE COMPLETED. THE EXPANSION OF OUR LIGHT RAIL IN BUFFALO IS FOLLOWING THE SUCCESSES IN OTHER CITIES WHERE RAIL IS SUCCESSFUL NOT AS THE SOLE OR DOMINANT FORM OF TRANSPORTATION BUT TODAY AS A COMPLIMENTING FORM OF TRANSPORTATION, WHERE LIGHT RAIL AND TROLLEYS ARE NOT USED TO COMPLIMENT EXISTING FORMS OF TRANSPORTATION WITH CARS, BUSES PRIMARILY BETWEEN GROWTH CENTERS AND/OR POPULATION CENTERS AND/OR BUSINESS-COMMERCIAL CENTERS.

ITS A DIFFERENT BUSINESS PLAN.

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