City October 14, 2009 11:16 AM

City In Rem Property Auction

City In Rem Property Auction
The City of Buffalo will be holding their In Rem auction on October 26th - 28th, at the Buffalo and Erie County Convention Center.  The link above will take you to the City site where you can register as well as upload a list of properties that will be auctioned.

As always, the City's main focus is on helping people to stay in their homes, but often, letters of foreclosure leading up to  the auction are ignored, and sometimes the occupant, fearing removal, flees before finding out what resources are available to them to help them keep their homes.

Despite the efforts of organizations like Neighborhood Housing Services and the Western New York Law Center, along with the cooperation of area banks, low-income homeowners are often unaware that help is available until it's too late.  It should be noted that In Rem houses being offered through the City were foreclosed on due to taxes, user fees and water bills in arrears, while the above entities deal with mortgage foreclosure. Often, however, losing a home is a multi-layered financial problem that involves both bank loans and late taxes, sometimes forcing the banks and the City to work together to help homeowners stay put.

The City, with a growing stock of abandoned homes that inch toward the 5 in 5 demo plan, year after year, has little interest in taking possession of housing that could be kept up and add to the tax base.  

In a city where preservationists rail against demolition, while neighbors want adjacent vacant structures to come down, the best possible scenario is to have the homes remain occupied.  Still, with a drastically lowered population, the task of keeping homes inhabited is more daunting than collecting taxes.

That being said, the In Rem auction is often a good way for new homeowners to buy a property that has potential, often in neighborhoods that already have good bones.  Click here for an Excel listing of available properties, and then take a drive around the neighborhoods.  You may find what you're looking for at a great price, with neighbors that are happy to see you arrive.
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FJF is on there for there West Utica Parcels! Who wants some market rate condos now...

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How much are they? Is there a way to see what they will be selling them for?

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So... anyone want to go in on a property with me in the University Heights so I can open a tool library?

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I would go in on a property with you but honestly a tool library sound like a pretty unprofitable venture.

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That's a ver cool program but as I said it's not really a great business if you want to make money. I was also being slightly sarcastic as obviously it's a good cause.

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Amazing how keeping the yard clean and the grass cut makes even a deserted home look pretty desirable.

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I agree, this home is not that bad and the lot helps show its potential. I wonder where it's located?

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Why isn't there more information on the city website about the auction works?

I imagine that you would have to pay the back taxes/fees, but they are not listed anywhere.

Cash only deals?

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nkcarroll:

All taxes and liens (county, city, bank, water, everything) is stricken. When the city sells a property at the in-rem auction, it is a blank slate with nothing owed to anybody. And yes, they are cash-only deals. 20% down in cash on the day of the auction and the balance settlement with the city by early December. Typically, then, it takes the city until as long as April of the next year to actually close on the building and grant you legal rights to the property.

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Thank you. That is very helpful.

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This auction is a great idea. It is a great way for a first timer to buy a fixer upper or even a nice house that only owed taxes. The writer was def right about neighbors getting excited about the possibility of that run down house possibly getting a new responsible owner. I only worry about the slum lords that treat this like Christmas. If your interested in a property though I'm pretty sure your not supposed to drive and walk around the property. I think I recall something in the literature to that extent.

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I'd have to believe that a portion of the "good" properties will have there taxes settled before the auction.

Properties like:
527 Richmond
609 Richmond
490 Linwood
525 Ashland

Must be worth more then 100k!

19 allen
298 Parkdale
449 Bird

also look good!

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With all the extremely knowledgable people on here who know about everything Buffalo. With as bad a problem we have regarding vacant properties, why don't they hold weekend auctions, when people who work might actually be willing to go to the auctions? Or maybe at least try to ensure that all the details of the properties are made extremely clear ahead of time, so that we may feel more comfortable burning vacation time. I would do it, but to show up and find out the property I'm interested in is out of my reach is silly, or to find out I don't have everything I need, etc.

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Both good ideas. If any Common Council members read this blog, why not try to pass a law requiring both changes suggested by 2roadsdiverged?

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Its all listed right on the city website. No need for a law haha.

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jolopy, where on the city web site does it say the auctions should be on Saturdays as 2roadsdiverged suggested? And does it have all the property details stated extremely clearly as suggested?

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I would guess they hold them during the week because that is when the city employees work and also the courts are open for the last minute people to pay their back taxes.

You can do a property information search on the property.
http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/applications/propertyinformation/default.aspx

This will show you all the information about the property.Or you can simply drive by the property and see it or call city hall and ask.

The city is not going to list every detail that is wrong with the property. Your not going to get a full detailed inspection of the property. That is why you should only buy property if you have the funds to repair it in a worst case scenario. Also that is why its an "as-is" sale. It doesn't seem like holding it during the week is a problem for all the people that show up. Also you can find a detailed list of the rules for purchasing property at the auction on the city website.

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jolopy>"they hold them during the week because that is when the city employees work and also the courts are open for the last minute people to pay their back taxes."

Yeah, probably they're scheduled for convenience of govt employees. But the idea from 2roadsdiverged is the auctions could have better results (more bidders) on Saturdays. Sounds like a good idea. Court follow-up could be due the following Monday.


jolopy>"The city is not going to list every detail that is wrong with the property. Your not going to get a full detailed inspection of the property"

2roads's suggestion was for the city to have an attitude change and be more informative. Expecting "every detail" is unrealistic, but if and when more is known (maybe from inspectors), I don't see any good reason for the auction web pages to not include it in the spirit of being helpful to potential bidders. Purchase would still be as-is. Sounds like a good idea as well.

At the very least, the city should include relevant info from the property database (the one you linked) more conveniently in the same web pages as they list properties to be auctioned (instead of bidders having to go to the other page and do a bunch of queries on properties of interest).

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Things they won't tell you... You will be held responsible for water bills and taxes from the date of the auction onward.

The water company will tell you they won't turn the water off because you don't own the property. If pipes freeze and water leaks you may end up with an $800 water bill for 125,000 cubic feet of water. How many rain barrels would that fill? Get the utilities shut off, do whatever it takes! Winter will be over before you get title to the property.

One or more of the tax bills or user fee bills will not be sent to you. You still have to pay! If you don't pay on time, even though you received no bill, you will have to pay late fees and interest.

If anyone is looking for a free place to live until at least February, just move yourself into one of the vacant foreclosed homes. Until the city gives you a title you cannot evict anyone who is in the property or even legally enter it. Even after you get title the occupants are considered tenants, and eviction will take another month+.

When bidding assume the worst, pipes stolen, electric problems,"tenants from hell", leaking roof, no furnace, no toilet, buckets full of Sh*t.

Even in the face of these problems you can find a good home for cheap at the sale. I bought two properties at the sale last year. One year later, they still need a lot of work, but when I'm finished one will be my Home and the other will be my business.

One final complaint, why would Buffalo hold this sale on the verge of winter with no allowances for winterizing the properties?

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Very well put. To piggy back on that, you have 6 months to fix any housing code violations on the property.

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I agree with you. The better properties either come off the list at the last minute,sell at retail prices, have title problems or end up in court after the auction. The worst is the IRS right of redemption in which there's a buyback period when the new owner will not get back any of the improvement costs - only the base bid price.

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This auction begins to sound shadier by the moment. You think your getting a good deal until you real the fine print and Bam, something happens that you had no idea about but your liable for. You would think they would stream line the process of taking ownership of properties.

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So despite your initial contention that all relevant information is available on the website, I'm glad to see you finally agree that a more thorough disclosure may allow more parties to feel comfortable throwing their hats into the ring and contibuting to the reinvigoration of the city.

Alot of normal folks, who may be capable of purchasing these properties, fixing them up and either living in them, or renting them out, are put off by the things that UticaWest brought up.

My perception is that this leaves people who are less cautious, or professional flippers, and speculators at these auctions. The less cautious individuals may have the initial investment, but perhaps not the funds to actually make the deal work. The flippers, could go either way, some actually do a good job and produce a livable home, while more scrupulous flippers may hide serious problems and pass them to the unsuspecting homeowner. Speculators could be from the area, or from way outside the area, but with little intent to actually put the home to use, if you see any work happen, it would be minimal.

I would like to see young people with the means, and the appropriate amount of caution be able to get in on the action. More information would likely increase the chances that these properties go to somone likely to improve Buffalo, and it will likely increase revenue received at the auction.

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http://www.city-buffalo.com/Home/City_Departments/Assessment_and_Taxation_Department/Inrem43/Memorandum_of_Sale


This has been on their website for a few months now. I thought this did a good job of describing the relevant information needed to someone interested in buying.

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