Real Estate October 20, 2009 12:01 AM

Canal Side: Details

Canal Side: Details

The details of the Canal Side development are revealed in the Draft Generic Environmental Impact Statement (DGEIS) now out for public review.  A public hearing on the 2000+ page document will be held tonight at 6:00 PM at the Albright-Knox Art Gallery, 1285 Elmwood Avenue.  The following is a summary of the project's proposed layout from the DGEIS document.

Project Scope
Canal Side consists of one million square feet of commercial, cultural, and residential space on 20 acres of land at the foot of Main Street.  The "preferred alternative" analyzed in the DGEIS shows 277,250 square feet of retail space; 173,750 square feet of restaurant and entertainment space; approximately 293,600 square feet of office space; approximately 215 residences; two hotels with a total of 250 rooms; and, 20,000 square feet of cultural space.  At build-out, 1,670 are expected to be employed in the development.  Total investment is expected to be roughly $300 million in public and private dollars. 

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The master plan along with design guidelines prepared by Ehrenkrantz, Eckstut & Kuhn Architects emphasizes downtown's connection to the Lake Erie waterfront through the construction of a network of interpretive water elements evoking the character and vibrancy of the historic canals that once crossed the area, including segments of the Erie Canal, the Commercial Slip, and the Prime Slip.  Recreation of historic buildings and/or original canals is not planned.

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Design Guidelines
The intent of the Design Guidelines is to foster the formation of active, visually-interesting spaces with high-quality materials and contemporary techniques that connect to the unique history of the Project Area and Buffalo as a whole.  To this end, the focus of the guidelines is on the pedestrian - to provide a human-scaled setting with good way finding and a comfortable walking environment.

Moreover, the design guidelines are also intended to create visual interest from near and far. Up close, ground level design features should produce comfortable, inviting, and stimulating environments. From afar, a variable skyline of roof edges, vertical shafts, and signage should create visual interest. 

Standards concerning such features as fenestration, materials, color, scale, lighting, and signage are proposed.  At full build-out, the project will have the appearance of a variety of buildings and spaces that have been built over time, by different owners and designers.  Bulk controls for buildings will provide continuity at the scale of the block and respond to the heights of existing site conditions such as the heights of the HSBC Arena, Marine Drive Apartments, and the Skyway. 

A Canal Side Design Committee will assist the Erie Canal Harbor Development Corporation Board of Directors with the development, adoption and implementation of the guidelines. The committee's role is to help ensure that the Guidelines and all development at Canal Side promote a cohesive atmosphere that is inspired by the architecture of Buffalo's historic canal district.

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Bass Pro
A Bass Pro store would be located on the block that formerly contained the now-demolished Memorial Auditorium.  Bass Pro will serve as the anchor for Canal Side and provide a "destination retail experience" as well as "unique recreational opportunities that would take full advantage of the project's waterfront location."

Designed to resemble a canal-era warehouse, the store would include 130,000 square feet of development space, with 121,000 square feet of retail space located above a three-level, 532-space parking garage. The parking levels would include space for boat service and equipment storage. The Bass Pro store would also have 9,000 square feet of restaurant space. The building would be 160 feet high at its peak, with distinctive signage, and sloped roofs.

Pedestrians would be able to enter the Bass Pro store either through the primary entrance on the East Canal or from an entrance off Main Street. In addition, there would be a link to the store through a water tube that would pass through the West Canal and to the Canal Side Hall.  Loading docks would be accessed off of Pearl Street.

Bass Pro's unique exterior and interior motifs have branded them as visually distinctive outdoor stores. The outdoor feel would be brought indoors through massive log and rock work, large indoor aquariums and water features stocked with native fish species, as well as an extensive collection of museum-quality fish and wildlife mounts. Historic photos and exhibits would pay tribute to Western New York's outdoor heritage. More than just fishing and hunting store, Bass Pro also offers equipment, clothing and footwear for hiking, backpacking, wildlife viewing, golfing, boating, camping, outdoor cooking and more.

The Bass Pro store at Canal Side would operate from 9:00 am to 10:00 pm Monday thru Saturday and from 9:00 am to 7:00 pm on Sunday.

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Public Space/Cultural Attractions
An ambitious public open space component is planned.  Canal Side Hall, an adaptable space with an array of cultural, retail, food, entertainment and community attractions is proposed in front of the Bass Pro store.  Open space and a promenade is planned along the Buffalo River.

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A street-level canal system flanked by towpaths is planned.  Anticipated summertime canal uses would include boats on this canal including display boats from Bass Pro, as well as paddle boats and/or row boats for rent. During winter months, these water features would be drained out and ice skating rinks would be set up lining the West Canal.  Water depth for the West Canal would range from 18 inches to three feet.  Finishes would be dark to enhance the appearance of depth and provide greater reflectivity at the water surface.

Tables, outdoor seating and staging areas will be located throughout the area creating a "public canal environment animated with music and activity."  The project's design pays special attention to shielding visitors from the elements of the winter through landscaping and massing elements such as building overhangs that will seek to break the lake winds.

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A proposed fresh water aquarium would divide the West Canal. The aquarium would be approximately 20-feet-deep with an acrylic tunnel passing through on the ground floor between Canal Side Hall and the Bass Pro atrium.  The aquarium would be stocked with species indigenous to the area.  This would help local fishermen purchase equipment specifically targeted at catching those kinds of fish. It is anticipated that Bass Pro would allow guests to fish directly in the aquarium during occasional store events.

water tube.jpgCanal Side Hall and Canal Side Commons will be located across from Bass Pro and the canal.  Canal Side Hall, with 23,000 sq.ft. of space, would be built slightly below grade at the intersection of Pearl Street and Marine Drive, and would be covered by a large public events space to be known as Canal Side Commons.  This public space would have access to Bass Pro and Marine Drive.  It would also serve as a venue for a variety of events, including major Bass Pro events, throughout the year.  Canal Side Commons would be elevated from the street and canal levels and would be connected to the public environment and Bass Pro store by stairs, elevators, and a pedestrian bridge.

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Canal Side Commons would be located approximately 25 feet above the street level, directly atop Canal Side Hall and fronted by a 20,000 sq.ft. museum/cultural facility and accessed by both elevators and stairs.  One possibility for the space is a children's experience center.  A warming hut/fireplace would provide heat during cold weather.

The Winter Garden would be a three-story, 50,000 sq.ft. facility that would house retail and restaurant uses.  An arcade over a section of the Prime Slip north of Marine Drive would create an indoor atrium that would protect visitors from the seasonal climate changes and would include a Prime Slip water feature.  An option still being explored would mix residential and/or office uses on several levels above the Winter Garden.

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Other Components
Canal Side is comprised of a series of walkable, overlapping neighborhood "districts" which would be defined by the existing street grid, public spaces, and convenient, yet unobtrusive, vehicle parking options.  These districts would include:

Family Place/Central Place District - Located at the heart of the project, this area would be anchored by Bass Pro and would include canal water features, restaurants, recreational attractions, Canal Side Hall, parking, and public access space for visitors; it would be the "front door" of the project, as well as the location for major public events and gatherings.  A signature billboard near the intersection of Pearl Street and Perry Boulevard will become an instant landmark.

Render100.jpgEntertainment District - The center of nightlife in the project, the Entertainment District would be situated between the North and South Donovan Blocks and be home to proposed waterfront nightlife.  In this area, various "barges" occupied by restaurants and cafes could be "anchored" in the canal.  Located at the eastern terminus of the East Canal would be one of the iconic elements of Canal Side, a Liberty Pole similar to the 1838 original, constructed to symbolize American independence.

Riverfront District - Positioned on the banks of the Buffalo River, this area would respect the historic traditions of Erie Canal Harbor and the Central Wharf Green, while providing additional public spaces, a 100-room boutique hotel, maritime opportunities and boat docking space.

Prime Slip District - This "feeder" canal would be home to an intimate environment of small-scale shops, restaurants and offices, infused with local flair.  Streets would cross the Prime Slip water element at Prime Street and Marine Drive to facilitate vehicular and pedestrian movement, offering a "bridge-like experience."

Skyway Plaza District - Utilizing canopy-like protection under the Skyway overpass, seasonal vending kiosks would provide merchants and visitors space to display and peruse various goods.DSC_0447.JPG

Donovan Building
The vacant Donovan Building (above) would be augmented and clad in a style consistent with the design guidelines for the area and would be reused to house retail, office, and/or hotel space.  A remodeled Donovan Building would have its ground story extended to eliminate most of the setbacks that currently surround the building.  While the proposed project assumes the reuse of the existing Donovan Building, an option still being considered would include the demolition of the Donovan Building in order to construct a new parking garage with ground floor retail, residential units, and possible office and hotel uses above.

On the South Donovan Block, across the East Canal from the Donovan Building, would be an additional development parcel with first-floor retail space and residential units on the upper floors.

Webster Block
Plans for the Webster Block are flexible.  The Webster Block is bounded by Scott Street, Washington Street, Perry Street and Seymour H. Knox III Plaza.  Boutiques, cafes and a 150-room destination hotel are proposed.  Other options still being considered for the parcel would create an office tower on Scott Street, a residential structure fronting on Main Street, and consolidating the hotel in a tower above.

Commercial Slip Block
This block is located at the juncture of Marine Drive, Commercial Street and Perry Boulevard.  A development parcel with a retail base, and a variety of potential uses above including office, hotel, and/or residential is anticipated.  Behind the building would be the Commercial Slip Parking Garage situated over private surface parking for residents of the Marine Drive Apartments.

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The project would include 2,613 parking spaces for Canal Side visitors, concentrated in five parking structures within the project area.

The Commercial Slip Parking Garage, to be constructed on the current Marine Drive Apartments' surface lot, is the largest of the proposed parking garages with six levels and approximately 1,280 spaces.  Beneath the Bass Pro store, a three-level, 532-space garage would provide convenient parking.  This parking garage would be accessed by two entries, one from Main Street and one from Lower Terrace Street.  An approximately two-level, 100-space parking site is anticipated for the Donovan block. A four-level Webster Block parking garage, on the east side of the block, would provide approximately 400 spaces and would be accessible from Washington Street.

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Phasing
Canal Side would incorporate a phased, market-based build out.  Assuming that appropriate funding would be available and that there would not be any unanticipated delays, the initial phase would be largely completed by Memorial Day 2011. The remainder would be built out in accordance with a schedule to be agreed to by ECHDC and its development partners and, in part, would be based on market demand and other economic factors.

The initial 700,000 sq.ft. phase of construction (plan above) would include the Bass Pro Store, the Winter Garden, Canal Side Hall, Canal Side Commons, and the West Canal, a mixed-use development on the Webster Block, the Commercial Slip Garage, the Donovan Block parcels, the East Canal, Bass Pro slips, and infrastructure improvements associated with the same.

The project master plan and environmental study allows for flexibility.  The DGEIS evaluates the well-defined components of the initial phase of development as well as the quantified, upper limits of expected subsequent phases. The environmental review process provides flexibility to later phases as plans are developed and allows the shifting of uses amongst parcels.

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seriously, i'm in awe. SO excited

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I'd move back to Buffalo if this happens. Doubt it'll happen, but interesting.

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Bass Pro is mentioned no less than 20 times in this article. Uh, when are they going to break ground again?

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it looks like the "Master Plan" final picture already tells us where they plan on building the lift bridge and that the skyway will be removed

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I'm guessing that last image is more of a long-term idea rendering, and doesn't reflect actual decisions made about the future bridges or roads.

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And that Erie St will be rebuilt

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WCPerspective - thanks for the info. I'm impressed by how much is actually included in Phase 1 - scheduled for completion in May 2011. That is only about 18 months away! When do they plan to break ground on all this? And also, has Bass Pro finalized their commitment to their part?

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Wow! What outstanding graphics! I now have a visual of this project. My hat's off to all who contributed to the creation of these excellent renderings.

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This seems to be more space allocated to retail than exists in all downtown Buffalo. This might be feasible if the Light Rail was connected to UB Amherst and the Airport but without access to major population centers, the success of so much retail is improbable.

Id like to see the plan revised to follow Issa's plan for the Statler and the current sucess of Avant, whereby, the design is mixed use and multi-purpose. All the space spec'd out in the plan as retail should be available as office and residential. As retail builds success upon success the divided space can be reopened to a larger footprint for retail.

The first step should be to get the infrastructure, streets, curbs, sidewalks, period gas lamps, canals and bridges completed and gage the traffic patterns and quantity.

My predition: I can see that once the infrastructure is in place and completed that the demand for Pasquale Tower#2 and the demand for office space will be much higher than predicted. I can easily see that this area and the surrounding area will be a much sought after residential and office area much more than retail. Especially if the lift bridges to Furhman Boulevard get constructed.

Further...I can easily see the development of the Erie Canal Wharf District having spin off developments along Niagara Street, Life Sciences District and ECC downtown campus as students prefer the prefer downtown rather than their convenient suburban campus, the Larkin District and possibly pushing the Senecas to complete their original Buffalo Creek Casino.

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I think this is a great project and I support it but looking into the future...the bigger picture is the effect it will have on the near surrounding areas. I think those areas will have the bigger suprise successes than the Canal Wharf area.

Consider for a moment the surrounding areas and growth areas:
1) the development of this area is going to significantly boost the value of the DL&W. Perhaps enough to justify relocating the NFTA maintenance sheds to the Central Terminal and construct the airpor corridor or atleast a segment of it.
2) the development of the lift bridge to Furhmann Boulevard...which will justify the future consolidation of Furhmann Boulevard and Route5.
3) the Larkin District
4) could stimulate the growth of ECC downtown Campus
5) could stimulate the growth of FruitBelt and UB Light Rail Corridor
6) the Pasquale Tower#2 and Niagara Street Gateway Corridor

Further, if this is forcing a rethink of Main Street being reconnected to the waterfront then the success of the Erie Canal Wharf District is also going to force a rethink of Genessee Street being reconnected to the waterfront.

So...you can debate...this or that...but the really interesting thing is what this project impacts!!!!

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this is the best BRO post i have seen. So informative. thanks - all the way from okinawa...

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I think the last map simply suggests that the skyway will continue above ground where it is. I'm still uncertain how its presence won't cheapen the district tremendously. Looks like a good plan and I'm looking forward to the day that I see it built. I am hoping they have plans to tap other regional populations and bring people in from out of town to support all of this though. A Buffalo-Toronto high speed line into Buffalo would help. Perhaps a boost to the Rochester- Buffalo connection with some clever marketing. Buffalo and WNY suffers a bit from being isolated and a diminished population. Baltimore Inner Harbor works because it easily taps both the Baltimore and Washington DC metro's with much larger populations, and it sits nicely within close proximity to the I-95 corridor that stretches from Boston to the deep south. Somehow I don't think the I-90 has the same effect. I think for something like this to succeed the area really needs to start pushing funding towards the CVB side, it needs a great tourism marketing push.

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I like all the fine details that are given in this article. I am impressed and I really think this would be a great tourist destination which will have endless benefits to the city and region. One more thing, Christine, do post under the name Queencity too? Your posts are awfully similar..hmmm...

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we've covered this already. it may be a multiple-personality-syndrome thing though.

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Build an additional International crossing for additional capacity to tap the Canadian market? A new Peace Bridge this decade? Oh wait, will that ever happen?

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Extend the metro line right into downtown Niagara Falls and make it easy for out of state, out of town tourists to get to Buffalo without having to go out of their way to make additional plans. Make Buffalo a day trip destination for Niagara Falls tourists. I doubt the falls would support that idea but it would be regionally significant as far as i'm concerned. Perhaps the Seneca nation would have interest in an idea like this as a partnership. It could be a good marketing and people moving tool for casino interests to access both the Niagara Falls and Buffalo Casino's (thats if the Buffalo one isn't killed). Obviously an airport metro line owuld be ideal as well. Canal side needs to get people in! Ok i'm done now.

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a commuter rail option could be a much less expensive option. using something like DMUs (diesel multiple unit) coaches would be cost effective and flexible.*


*see: http://www.usrailcar.com/

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There is an excellent marketing opportunity for the City next March during the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Canal Side project renderings, signage etc. should be displayed prominently in HSBC Arena and around the site for the many out of town visitors and media. They will be here - let's use our imagination show off a bit! (PLEASE: at least paint the plywood covering the Donovan building windows - I have to keep explaining to guests how it's not a bombed-out, abandoned building - but it sure looks like one โ€“ very embarrassing).

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Love the name and the photo!

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The Skyway in this plan becomes its own district? What happened to the inclusion of an Erie Canal history museum?

As more details are revealed, the more this entire project's true intentions are exposed: it's going to be an outdoor shopping mall with fish. So much for acknowledging history and so much for removing the skyway.

At least they don't plan on building out the retail portions until/unless market conditions warrant. It proves the point that national retailers are not going to set up shop here unless BassPro lives up to its reputation as a destination retailer. Good luck with that as the demographics will make that an uphill battle. Then what?

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This is hands down the best article BRO has posted regarding Canal Side. I know it has everything to do with the 2000+ pages now available on the subject but kudos to WCP regardless. Very informative.

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I hope those "big dig" artifacts end up somewhere for pubic viewing in the canalside district. Where are those now?

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Good question.
How many thousand of years of history do you think laid beneath the HSBC Arena.
And did you ever hear of even one artifact that was found?
When it comes to developers - time is money.
Kind of ironic, when the "Canal Side" is being billed as a return to Buffalo's history.

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im a little leery of dedicating nearly the entire harbor to housing & recreation (last image).

the port of Buffalo is a potential asset and job creator. prior to the recession, escalating fuel prices had made water transportation more competitive resulting in a rise in shipments on the Erie Canal. it would be smart to plan now for future increases, instead of shoe-horning a solution later.

obviously, mixed use is best, but this seems to be a cartoonish version of a waterfront with very little space allocated to an actual working waterfront.

anyway.

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also, is it me, or does it seem pretty wasteful to build a 90 million dollar lift bridge so that there is access to some slips and condos? particularly since there are no concrete plans to build anything.

90 mill paves a lot of streets, builds lots of miles of light rail, and fixes a lot of bridges. why was this identified as a priority for the region's transportation network over other options which could have a greater impact for a larger number of people?

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i don't think any of these waterways are ACTUALLY connected to the functioning section of the Canal. creating dense residential neighborhoods in these sections is a great plan.

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sin|ill -

its true, the canal terminates in Tonawanda these days, but its navigable to dwntwn via the BR channel. that said, lake freighters generally moor in the downtown harbor or Lackawanna, not Tonawanda. to create 2 disjointed harbors seems rather inefficient, and not so useful for any trans loading.

granted, this all is rather hypothetical since its dependent upon rising fuel prices - but why not be prepared?

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I didnt know there was any commercial activity along the canal anymore.

Im with you though, there should be plenty of land dedicated to intermodal lake to rail(or canal) transit. It would be wise to prepare for the soon to come rise of fuel prices. The good news is the renderings like the one on this page are more of a marketing tool than a guideline. Even when the canal side stuff happens there will be plenty of room for freighters on the outer harbor.

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The ECHDC really really REALLY needs to tap into Mr. Ran Webber's and his team vision of the Buffalo Skyway. Canal Side and Mr. Webber's vision would drastically change people's perception of Buffalo, and attract more than just local visitor's to the site. Imagine that!

www.ranwebber.com

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The article is a very informative summary of a mostly very bad and unrealistic "plan". Yay for WCPerspective and boo to Govs Pataki-Spitzer-Paterson, our state legislators who support this, Congressman Higgy, and Jordan Levy's team of bureaucrats.

My only suggestion to enhance the article (or for follow up) is to add a few details about the following sentence:
"At build-out, 1,670 are expected to be employed in the development. Total investment is expected to be roughly $300 million in public and private dollars."

If "At build out" means very long term, then it would be interesting to see what the estimates are for job creation and public/private investments the end of Phase 1 projected for 2011. Or if it refers to the end of Phase 1 in 2011, that could be clarified.

It would also be good to see the $300M expected investment broken down into public vs. private and what the major expected components are of each (- how much public vs. private investment is "expected" by politicians for Bass Pro, Donovan block, Webster block, etc. and how those all add up to the roughly $300M total, and to the smaller total for Phase 1 by 2011).

And a breakdown of the 1,670 "expected" jobs would be good to see as well. The number sounds very specific, so the bureaucrats must have some number of jobs in mind for Bass Pro, some number for other retailers, some number for hotels, and so on for each of the Donovan block, Webster block, etc., and how many are estimated to be full vs. part time, public vs. private, etc. in each.

Does anyone know if they've revealed all that? If they haven't, maybe journalists attending the public meeting could ask them to make those details public.

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Whatever>"And a breakdown of the 1,670 "expected" jobs would be good to see as well."

From what I have seen is these type of job fugures are speculative and inflated and are listed more for marketing than anything. I have an 200 pg economic impact study for the Seneca Niagara Casino that said the place would result in 10000 or so in new jobs. It then went on to list where the jobs would come from. Looks very official and scientific but of course it was a bunch of crap. I think the job figures are founded on similar speculative data.
Common sence would say retail jobs, management jobs full and part time would be mostly shifted from other sectors in the economy.

Aside from that I like the idea of creating a retail center downtown even if it comes at the expense of other places. You will pull some new money into the economy with visiting boaters or day trippers driving from the outside. Not enough for 1670 new jobs but every little bit helps. It can only help the hospitality industry and other local attractions.

Im guessing by your negative tone you are on the "con" side for this project. May I ask why?

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Whatever,

What is bad about the plan?

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pitbull & Steel - To answer your question to me, what's bad about it is spending a LOT of public money in ways that don't result in much public good for most city residents. Its resulting economic growth and job creation seem like they'll be mostly fake.

Yeah there will be some growth in out-of-town visitors, especially the first year or two. After its novelty wears off, it will just move customers, jobs, and tenants around a little who would otherwise be here anyway.

Some cheerleader sheeple (like the dope who commented saying anyone who doesn't like what politicians are using our money for at Canal Side should leave town) are easily fooled into believing this really helps the city.

But it's pretty much just giving a lot of corporate welfare bailouts to Bass Pro, a few developers, and maybe some others who eventually get subsidized for doing something-anything down there.

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Ok that makes sence.

I just think this would help the citys economy and self esteme. Judging by the "big" look of the place from the renderings Im guessing this will draw retailers from the suburban malls and not the niche retail districts in the city. If successful, the area would shift some retail functions from the Blvd mall to Main st. I know that may sound like being selfish for the sake of the city but keep in mind A LOT more money was spent over time to artificially steer growth outward. Using a little public money to steer gowth to the city makes our region more compact, and sustainable.

I also think when combined with other regional attractions, this would be a good way to get people to visit the city and stay longer. For reasons i will never understand, tourists love to shop. Having a mall alternative like this would be a good way of generating revenue from out of towners shopping here. That and it celebrates the man made waterway that helped build the Northeast and Midwest. Cultral tourism is a great, cheap way to rebuild the economy. I know this looks expensive, but I think its money well spent.

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I don't see how Canal Side will help the economy much at all in the long term except for some Bass Pro shoppers coming from PA and Ontario. That will be a small economic boost but not nearly enough to justify the public spending.

There's already BP stores in Toronto, Toledo, and Auburn. Western PA is a big gap for BP now (see store location map on their web site). That should result in a few hundred PA licence plates here every weekend until some day BP puts a store near Pittsburgh. They almost did once but it fell through because that area refused to give BP enough taxpayer handouts.

I agree it will boost some people's civic self esteem in the short term the first couple years it opens, but that sort of thing wears off.

CS might draw a few suburban type stores as you hope it will, but I don't predict a lot of suburban shoppers will go to the waterfront when stores at CS won't be all that different (except for Bass Pro) from the kinds of stores they already have.

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I agree with many comments posted above, but most importantly:

-I think less retail space and more residential space is needed. Sure, this may be a 'retail destination', but how about getting more people right near, or inside the area?

-Skyway has to go. Period. Whatever it takes.

-Lets make it easier to get to. Extending the light rail line to Amherst would be great (but pricey and timely). I also LOVE the idea of using existing rail tracks to have a daily commuter line to Niagara Falls from Downtown Buffalo (and while you are at it, how about right up to Lewiston and Youngstown).

-Other than that, things look good, just get the project going, get it ready, grab any federal money you can get (before other areas take it) and no more delays.

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Thank you for this wonderful, inspiring and hopeful article. Are there any links to larger versions of the renderings? Thanks again.

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The ECHDC really really REALLY needs to tap into Mr. Ran Webber's and his team vision of the Buffalo Skyway. Canal Side and Mr. Webber's vision would drastically change people's perception of Buffalo, and attract more than just local visitor's to the site. Imagine that!

www.ranwebber.com

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I agree with connecting Buffalo to Niagara Falls.Niagara Falls is the huge big tourist attraction that Buffalo needs to get people to visit the city. They need to extend a light rail from downtown Niagara Falls (near where the casino and state park) right to canal side or near HSBC arena. Tourists coming into visit Niagara Falls can take a quick ride over to visit the Canal side, catch a Sabre's game or go elsewhere in the city.

I might get crap for this but I think the city should pursue bringing a House of Blues to this area. Each House of Blues is designed unique and is usually built to fit into the setting its at.I'm sure they could come up with something appropriate of the early Erie canal period.If they had a a good mid sized venue like this at canal side, I'm sure the concerts would be bog draw for people to come to the area.Has Dinosaur BBQ ever considered opening a location in Buffalo? Maybe they could fill in one of the smaller restaurant areas.They always have a great draw and cool atmosphere.

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A house of Blues is a great idea. I feel a lot of midsize acts pass us by for rochester and TO and would add to the overall experience. As for restaurants I think it would be great if they were limited to non-chain restaurants and keep them local/regional or at least one of a kind. I would also love some chain retail clothing mixed with local clothiers. If we can't feasibly get light rail between NF and Buff then at least get a direct shuttle service going of some sort that runs a regular schedule. Maybe make it free to anyone staying at a hotel? Just an idea.

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You wont see a major push to connect Buffalo and Niagara Falls in the near term.

The priorities are clearly the Airport Corridor as #1 and UB Corridor as #2. There is little growth happening in Niagara Falls at present that matches the growth along the previous lines.

Clues to look for that would make Niagara Falls a higher priority:
1) a completion of the Buffalo Creek Casino and Hotel complex.
2) Buffalo joining the Great Lakes Cruising Coalition and having Great Lakes Cruise Ships dock and embark/disembark.
3) signiciant growth in Niagara Falls, NY as a tourist destination.
4) the completion of the Buffalo Niagara International Airport Light Rail Corridor.

Any of the above would put the Senecas and elected officials in Niagara Falls and Niagara County in a position where they would want light rail access to our airport and cruise ships...in exchange for bringing customers from Niagara Falls to Buffalo amenities.

Right now it suits Niagara Falls and Niagara County just fine to leave people alone one they get there. Right now it suits Erie County and Buffalo to let people drive to Niagara Falls or stay in Buffalo.

No doubt that when it is in the Senecas interest to connect the Buffalo Creek and the Seneca Niagara then there will be an epiphony in both county legislatures and city councils.

You will see it...when there is coordinated marketing of both destinations...there will be coordinated plans for transportation.

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Great article, can't wait to see if this happens. I agree with Whirlpool, the Dino needs to come here. I'd also like to see some Buffalo staples here, like Teds, Andersons, or even places I hate like Jims, and Duffs. A few more places like Pearl Street would be nice as well. I'd also like to see a mix of some respectable higher end chain restaurants.

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Dear Buffalonians,
Is Issa involved, because that new Buffalo Tower is gorgeous...can't wait to see this project finished! I think the structure should match the that new building that was built on Court and Franklin where that old parking lot used to be - or maybe match the boutique hotel on Forrest and Elmwood- that is such a great little hotel... i'm glad the residents didn't butt-in and complain and stop another project... cause Buffalonians want more to happen in their city but secretly it's so they can create a protest group against it... I really think it's the same ten people just changing their signs and moving on to the next project to tear down for the sake of preservation. Valid protest is something for the Peace Bridge Neighbourhood - Buffalo has one of the highest concentrations of pre-civil war buildings- and some of those buildings are in that neighbourhood. but those tin shacks that are up on Forest and Elmwood are scattered throughout the city- OY... I love buffalo and I have always been the optomistic one when it comes to progression but sometimes the group of people with closed minds have the loudest mouths- and they help everyone else stay behind- except for the casino...the casino would have been bad for the community- let's hope it stays small.
Love Buffalo forever - and seeing that it's going in a good direction now- i'd like to refill my cup for faith - and keep optimistic- can we all

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You don't have a clue.

Its not really worth arguing any further than that.

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I think I don't have a clue also! because that place is very confusing! say one thing - do another... it's like a fat kid saying he's planned out a diet while shoveling cake into his mouth

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I think I don't have a clue also! because that place is very confusing! say one thing - do another... it's like a fat kid saying he's planned out a diet while shoveling cake into his mouth

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Issa? Buffalo Tower? LOL Sure kid, Issa's development is going in right next door to the Adelphia Tower!

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it was sarcasm...I know it didn't happen OY

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Texas de Brazil Buffalo Waterfront!!! Yeah its an out of town restaurant but its sooooo good. How about giving Hooters another try as well? Its a touristy place. They have one at the Baltimore Inner Harbor. The Buffalo region doesnt have any anymore.

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Maybe I missed it, but what happened to the museum that was to be built as part of this?

So basically you have 2500+ parking spaces, a couple of canals and Bass Pro. I hope there is more to this than "If you build it, they(retail/restaurants/hotel) will come".

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Sorry, Harrod's, KaDeWe, Bergdorf's and Galeries Lafayette all demurred on Canal Side because they weren't assured that ChikFil'A would be coming in.

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Applause Applause! Please build this now. Thank you.

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This is a wonderful exercise in naval-gazing. No part of Buffalo-- even the most vigorous one-- has anywhere near that level of pedestrian activity and street life. These are renderings of an imagined urban experience more appropriate to New York or Boston. It is not going to happen in Buffalo. Dream on.

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Excellent looking project. I disagree with Light Rail to Niagara Falls. Should be a commuter rail type service. Let's move forward

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These comments from Jordan Levy worry me...

"I believe Bass Pro is fully committed to this project and has been in my 2รน years here. They believe this can be one of their defining projects in the country," Levy said.

"But until it is signed, sealed and delvered," he added, "I'm going to stay up at night worrying about it."

Levy acknowledged the public's skepticism.

"I keep saying that the public has Bass Pro fatigue. I don't blame them."


I'd like an answer to one question...What is Plan B if Bass Pro doesn't sign on the dotted line?

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Well its pretty clear that Bass Pro isn't 100% yet and as a result ECHDC is willing to compromise anything in the design of the site and canals to get Bass Pro there.

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Since having an anchor is no longer the most important element in a retail development like this, that spot can be a 20 screen cinema or a foodie market, or it can be a Nordstroms. The world's largest shopping mall in Dubai has nearly 4 million sq. ft. but has just 2 department stores.

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