City September 9, 2009 2:00 PM

Who Silenced the Exchange?

Who Silenced the Exchange?
Meghan Mann is a 23-year-old go-getter who looks like the girl next door.  She put in $6,000+ of her own and investors' money in order to pull off Silent Exchange (ironically named in retrospect), and 500+ hours of long, hot summer due diligence.  Every time we had occasion to see Mann this summer, she gave excited updates of this concert event she was planning, adding, "I'm crossing all my 'T's and dotting all my 'I's. I don't want anything to go wrong!"

Mann was taking on a job that, as far as we know, no female her age had ever endeavored to before in Buffalo; she was bringing in national-name DJs and producing and promoting the show all by herself, with a little help from friends.  Her exuberance was palpable, and with a background like hers - working in Berlin and New York, in production and media - she was the girl to pull off a show of this magnitude.

The day after the show, when one of the BR comments under the concert listing said, "got there at 7...no one there," alarm bells went off.  Mann was temporarily incommunicado due to a dead cell, so we heard the news from a friend; the police had shut down the concert.  The first call I made went to the Buffalo Police spokesman.

The following is a blog-style account of conversations with the police spokesman, councilman and block club leader.  

Police Spokesman Mike DeGeorge:

I first contacted DeGeorge on the Sunday following the Saturday shutdown.  I asked what he knew about the police involvement with the concert.  After some back and forth in which I said that it was a live music venue, and DeGeorge corrected me, saying it was DJs - the question was why, with permits in place, would a music (pick your poison) venue be shut down?  

It ended with DeGeorge saying he'd make arrangements for the organizer, Meghan Mann, to talk to Commissioner McCarthy Gipson the next day, and DeGeorge agreeing to get me the police records.  At this point, it was DeGeorge's belief that there was an initial visit from police to say "turn it down," followed by a shut down, with an order not to move it inside, though the permits allowed for that also.

On Monday, I received a call from DeGeorge, who said he was very upset.  He had just spoken to Mann, who had just spoken to Gipson, and told DeGeorge she didn't believe a word about calls to the police.

About those calls, I asked DeGeorge if he had the log for me.  He said three visits were made to The Yard in total, with one call coming in to 9-1-1 at 12:31; it was answered by a policeman from the district at 1:00.

"So when the police visited the next two times, they did it of their own volition?"

"They wouldn't do that, no.  It was from the complaint calls that came in."

"Calls?  You told me about one call."

"There were calls made to the councilman on his private phone."

"So the next two visits were as a result of the councilman calling the police."

"I didn't say that.  Calls were made to 9-1-1..."

"A call was made to 9-1-1. Where did the other to visits come from?"

"The police went back at 3 or 4, and then again at 7, when they shut it down."

"And who sent them there?"

"You're splitting hairs, Elena."

"No.  I'm looking for answers.  I'm asking what my readers would ask.  Would the station have a record of the calls?"

"They would, but I haven't asked for them."

"I'm asking you to ask for them.  I could call the station and ask, but I know you can get those answers better, and you told me you would, so I'm asking you to."

"What if you called your councilman with a complaint and he called the police for you?  Would that be bad?"

"No.  I'd be glad to know he was acting on behalf of his constituents.  That's a good thing, so why hide it?  On the other hand, the guy that owns The Yard is also a constituent, and we're talking about a national music event that was brought into his district, so that should be of interest too, not to mention the loss of revenue.  So, can I have the records?"

"I'll get them."

The next day, DeGeorge emailed me back, writing: As far as calls to the district, those are not logged.

Councilman Joe Golombek:

I sent an inquiry to Councilman Joe Golombek and got the following response, cc'd to his two legislative assistants:

On Saturday afternoon I arrived home to find several messages on my phone from residents of the Bradley-Danforth area complaining that they were being overwhelmed with loud music from an event on Tonawanda Street.  I asked them if they had spoken to the organizers and they said they did but to no avail.  I called the police to ask them to ask the event organizers to show some consideration for the neighbors.  Apparently they did not because there were phone messages left on my recorder complaining about the music.  I would assume that was when they were shut down.  There was also one from Newell that I returned on Sunday morning.  I heard this second batch of messages on Sunday at 3AM. 

In the future I would recommend that event organizers meet with the residents in the adjoining neighborhoods so a problem like that does not happen again.  It is a delicate balancing act between quality of life for residents and businesses.  I would be happy to forward the names of the block club and/or host a meeting in the future. The city simply tries to do the best it can. 

We had a chance to speak later in the day, after Golombek had met with Mann and her associate, Dino Pinelli.  Golombek stated that he clearly acted on behalf of his constituents in calling the police on his day off.  He said he had no choice but to answer the complaints by calling the police, and that he didn't realize where the music was coming from, only that it was loud.  "Honestly," Golombek said, "I thought it was coming from Buff State."

Initially, Golombek said he got home and listened to calls on his answering machine at 3 or 4 on Saturday.  He was called by about 4 different people, 9 separate times.  He said one man works the night shift and was trying to sleep.  Golombek says that it was that man who made the 9-1-1 call.  "He said, 'You guys don't care!'" according to Golombek. 

He also said that residents claimed they had gone to the event to speak to the organizers about the noise.  As for being spoken to, both Mann and Pinelli deny being approached by any "civilians" with complaints. They claim Mann's mother and aunt were at the gate all day, along with a rent-a-cop, and none of them witnessed anyone coming to complain.  

When Golombek got back home at 7PM, there were more messages.  It was then, he said, that he started to realize it was The Yard the music was coming from.  "I thought, oh crap, there's gonna be a problem," he said. He left for his evening bartending gig and went for a ride by The Yard on Sunday.  He said he heard music there and hoped things had worked out.  Little did he know that on this new day, it was an entirely different venture.  

In the end, Golombek says it's a policeman's job to follow the process, and that he himself has to consider the volume of calls he got to be legitimate complaints - and a sign that "something needs fixing." But he adds that Mann did nothing wrong on her end.

"Megan and Dino are good people," Golombek said.  "I wish I'd met them 2 weeks ago."  He also said he'd take a good look at the permitting process, specifically where it comes to notification.  "As a councilman, I would have liked to know what event was going on.  We did embarrass ourselves. I feel very, very bad.  I understand Meghan and Dino's anger and frustration," Golombek offered. 

For deeper understanding, I contacted the leader of the Bradley-Dart-Danforth Block Club. 

Block Club leader Susan Guastaferro:  

Reluctant to speak at first, Guastaferro said the music was very loud.  "I live half a mile away [from the yard], and I thought it was across the street," she said.  She also said she'd read the previous BR article and stated that there are ordinances, even with permits in place, that say you can't exceed the city noise limits.  We were unable to confirm this. 

She spoke to neighbors over the weekend and said that it was loud at her house, but extremely loud down the street.  "The noise funneled down Dart Street.  At the other end from me, where houses have no insulation, they act like amplifiers when noise gets in them," Guastaferro said.  "The police told us we had to put up with it until 10 at night, but you don't have to put up with that kind of noise.  The police either don't know or don't care, but people could feel it at 2 in the afternoon - weird acoustics."

Guastaferro said the police did check it out, but that permits vary and they're unclear.  "This city is tough anyway, but why is the noise necessary?  Why is excessive noise necessary?" she asked again.  It really is torture for neighbors.  It doesn't have to be that loud on site.  Everyone on all sides got jacked up here."

Licensing and permits:

No calls returned.

There are a lot of issues at stake here in this account of an event gone wrong and the odd communication that followed, but it seems the bigger issue is - once again - the poor permitting process.  If a permit is simply an expensive piece of paper with no guarantees that you'll actually be able to carry out the endeavor you purchased the permit for, then what is it?

If you were to buy a ticket to [fill in your favorite event here] and they ripped it up at the turnstile and pointed to the curb, wouldn't you be infuriated on a lot of different levels?

So how about this - how about before the city sells any more permits, they understand what the purchaser is planning to do with said "ticket to do business," and complies?  Maybe in the end, Mann will be teaching the city a lesson or two about business.




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Hows this for taking responsibility. You are responsible for any noise that goes beyond your property line.

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It's useless. What are the measurable limits? It can't be left open as "any" noise.

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It wouldn't shocked me if the calls came in from another rival promoter/event planner. It happens all the time in other cities. Oddly enough, I drove past this event on the I-198 and didn't hear any noise.

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although i disagree with shutting this event down (and think the real problem here was the right hand not knowing what the left was doing) i do understand how the sound could have been relatively muffled a few blocks in one direction and extremely loud for a few blocks in the other.

sound travels in weird ways, i could state numerous examples and tell all kinds of stories about my experiences with it, but that would take up a whole page.

i honestly don't doubt the accounts of the citizens in the bradley-danforth area one bit.

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I agree. I have played enough outdoor concerts and have always hated it because the sound travels so weird that you can't really get an idea if it sounds good out front or not if you are on the stage. It's par for the course at outdoor music events. This really is an unfortunate case for everyone, especially those with money involved.

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That day I was visiting friends who live on Bird (off of Richmond) and we could clearly hear the music.

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This is a great piece of reporting...while the cops acted like Tools (like they usually do) the decision of this event to happen or not should have ultimately not been up to them. Permitting for a public event has to have a public notification portion to it, and i feel that the organizer got taken advantage of by the city inept policy driven permits department. another reason to vote for Kearns...

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Still does not explain why they were not allowed to move inside. It also does not explain how so many other outdoor and indoor concerts are allowed to be presented in the city without being shut down.

So what is the purpose of the permit?


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Meghan Mann should have told the police to call the Mayor. I hear he is pretty good at getting people out of police situations these days!

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Maybe, but being taken to the Mayor's office only works Monday-Friday.

The whole "who called and how many times and from whence" = a big red herring. The only problem was: Yes, you had a permit, but NO, it wasn't good for making too much noise.

A permit covers some kind of public performance. That means I can hire a string quartet playing Mozart, Sousa's Band on a Victrola, the Philharmonic, or a jet engine. When the neighbors complain, I know I'm unreasonable. Then I need to quiet down to the point that my neighbors DON'T complain. The cops allowed this noisefest to go on for 6 hours, and gave them 2 chances. Stop whining already.

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True... but that still doesn't answer one question: Why did the police prohibit them from moving the event indoors? Seems odd, doesn't it?

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If I had to guess, I'd say that the police were on their third visit and didn't want to waste more time on the problem. So they shut it down instead of allowing it to move.

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correction, we had one warning. The first of three visits was from a PO at 1 pm, he saw everything was in oder and said carry on. The 2nd visit was from Lieutenant Quinn, advising us to turn it down (which was done, as i explained in a comment already on this thread) and the third visit was shut down.

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Elena - Excellent work on this article!

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I agree 300-
Elena excellent. thank you so much!

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a few things still come to mind. how credible is this block club leader?

They made a statement saying they tried to reason with event organizers- a lie.

"everyone on all sides got jacked up here" Really? because there was one phone call to 911 which I am assuming came from the block club leaders and apparently 3-4 to Joe Golombek's HOME, none of which he could prove except for Mrs. Guastaferro. How many of you have your councilman's home phone number?

I understand sound travels but I also believe the noise from the 198 would have broken up a big part of the echos from this event. Certainly not loud enough to "rattle windows" as one of these so called complaints mentioned.

To the members of the block club that were inconvenienced by this event, I am sorry. However, for such a positive thing in your area of our great city, was it THAT bad? Commissioner Gipson told us the month prior thugs broke into one of the warehouses where the event took place, and set up shop to make serious drug deals, the cops busted in and found loads of drugs, oozies (sp?) and other weapons. Thugs will find elsewhere to hang out if positive events like this keep taking place. Events that draw crowds of GOOD people and bring attention to a good but struggling neighborhood trying to restore its glory.

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"How many of you have your councilman's home phone number?"

Non issue. From a quick check of whitepages.com, it looks as though his home # is publicly listed so anybody with a phone book has it. Actually I don't think that's unusual for municipal elected officials to have their home #s published, strange as it may sound. It's smart politics to be reachable. That might also explain why he clears messages from his answering machine - that phone probably rings a lot.

There's aspects of what happened that will earn you some public support, no doubt, but trying to make the shut down sound like some conspiracy is a bad P.R. approach for you. It's perfectly believeable that some complaints happened.

The more you nit pick about exactly how many there were, etc., or whether windows literally rattled, etc. won't help your image.

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you make some good points. thank you.

as far as the noise, its being made out to be we were a bit out of control with the noise. we were on 5 acres of warehouse space. The back of "the yard" when the show began read at 94 decibels. This is before we cut the noise after our one and only warning. Lets compare that to some other decibel levels. Busy street traffic @ 70 decibels and a vacuum cleaner @ 80 decibels. Now I understand the homes affected were behind the venue, the closest home being approx. 1400 feet away from the back of the venue, and this is according to a map shown during a meeting with Joe Golombek.

Sure complaints are completely believable. Some things just do not add up. Big example being the neighbors saying they tried to talk to event organizers about the noise, That never happened.

There is a time and place to nit pick in my opinion, as an avid promoter of Buffalo, I am really embarrassed by all of this. We need to look into this as much as possible to make sure it does not happen again.

Everything possible was done to reason with police. with a lot invested the show had to go on. Even with it ending, it ended peacefully, no voices were raised, no one got out of control, no arrests.

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"Guastaferro said the music was very loud. ... She also said she'd read the previous BR article and stated that there are ordinances, even with permits in place, that say you can't exceed the city noise limits. We were unable to confirm this."

There should be no unknowns about what the current ordinances (noise, permitting, etc.) say about this.

Golombek's staff or the police district office should be able to easily provide the relevant wording. In the previous BR article about this, my comment linked to a city website which quoted the noise ordinace saying permitted events are not subject to it. But it's possible there's also some other wording like what Ms. Guastaferro describes.

Either way it shouldn't be a mystery. The police should know exactly what the official event noise rules are for enforcement purposes, the common council should know so they explain to constituents and can consider changes, and the public should be able to easily find out as well.

If it turns out the ordinance wording is vague, maybe the city should decide some reasonable level of decibels that an event is allowed to have so event organizers, police, and neighbors all know what's acceptable. Notification of block clubs that an event will be happening is good too, but by itself that won't solve disagreements over what's "too loud".

From the interview above, it sounds like Golombek is taking an apologetic conciliatory approach about what happened.

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what kills the most is we tried our best to reason with police. When Lt. Quinn came to issue the warning we cut the noise by half. We asked if it was reasonable- he stated, "it sounds fine to me but if i have to come back because of a complaint I am shutting it down" We then asked what IS reasonable again. We stressed we could not afford for the event to be shut down and also stressed that the professional sound guy had a decibel reader in hand. He said plain and simple "I do not know". What kind of **** is that? Then, when he came to shut it down to refuse us to let us move it into the warehouse is uncalled for and that adds to the question of foul play, but on whos part?

Perry stated maybe another music promoter (which the idea crossed my mind) but I am leaning towards someone having it out for the property owner. Meg made every attempt to reach out to music promoters in the area, to let them know she was not stepping on toes and that she just wanted to do something good for Buffalo. MNM presents was a huge supporter, other music promoters were in attendance.

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I just realized that I've made a very wrong assumption about the promoters of this event. I won't say more, because it must be true but very insulting.

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Elena: Not that there is anything wrong with it, but BR has some serious mission creep.

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Not if you consider the mission is to have a vastly more liveble atmosphere on all fronts. Sometimes it's refreshing to try to clear the way to that, even if it means airing out the dank linens.

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Again, I think investigative journalism is a positive direction. But, the mission of Buffalo Rising is to promote all good things happening in Buffalo. Maybe I am wrong?

Typically investigative journalism doesn't fall into this type of mission statement. This event wasn't a positive event for the City. Heading in the direction of an slightly in-depth invesitigation, although positive for ratings and interaction, also has reprecussions elsewhere, whether they be hidden or overt. Just my opinion.

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Nah. The way I see it, doing business in Buffalo is good for the city. I get upset when I think it's being made hard for people to do business here because of vagaries on a permit or simple lack of cooperation.

In trying to piece the "what went wrong" puzzle together, I did uncover a few ugly things. Our mission is to support Buffalo business and quality-of-life, so if putting this out there helps anyone who cares to follow Meghan's example to do business better, or better yet, reforms any screwed up policies, then the mission is honored.

Let's not forget that Meghan really did do everything exactly right, only to have the permit net whipped out from under her. Maybe she didn't get to pull her concert off, but she may pave the way for others through her trials because she didn't roll over and go away - and neither did we.

So we report good things, and we holler when they're not good and the fix is easy. This should be an easy fix that still goes back to permits. The warm body on the other side of the counter needs to know what the permit is for, specifically, before they collect for it. The applicant needs to know what they're buying. A permit shouldn't be a grab bag.

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Fair enough...

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Sorry for Meghan's trouble and thank you for the reporting Elena.

Vastly more liveble to me would be when dj 'artists' who hide behind overamplification (because they don't really play an instrument, sing, or maybe even don't have the 'ears' to be a real musician?) would adjust their music so it was only sufficiently loud- not as loud as is technologically possible .

I grew up near the former Melody Fair when it was still a tent in N. Tonawanda. After the Who played there, M.F. chose (was required?) to put up some sound baffles and build a larger dome to save the neighbors hearing (I enjoyed that show from within M.F.- but it was loud).

I now live near UB Amherst near Baird Point and would agree that for concerts there that how the wind is blowing can effect the volume in a locale minute to minute. But even if the music is pounding on for hours at these special events, neighbors need to cut event promoters some slack- these are only infrequent events.

But the proof that [most] djs are not true artists is there- one of only two main elements they control ('play' and 'volume')was being mishandled- look what resulted. How loud does one need to play music for what looked to be a couple hundred people?

And programming 101-
1 never program against the Bills
2 never program a ticketed event against an established free event ( Elmwood Fest )


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1. You vastly oversimplify what DJ music involves.

2. The type of music being played has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

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I'm just wondering why a permit would be issued for an all day DJ event in an area that apparently is primarily residential, where people just trying to enjoy the day are subjected to music not of their choosing at intrusive volume levels? Should this not have been relegated to the indoor venue from the start? DJ music, almost by definition, is music driven by the intensity of the volume, the bass, etc, in lieu of actual performance by musicians. Isn't that true? At least that is my perception. But, regardless, to argue that the neighbors should have been understanding since the events are infrequent is to ignore the fact that this was an all day event. 10 hours. Not just a concert that would be there and gone in 2 hours. There is a difference. I think there was not enough attention paid to the realities before the event started. If, as the promoter states, the volume was cut in half after the initial visit, you can only imagine how loud that was to begin with. No matter how altruistic your vision,I think you cannot bring it at the expense of a neighborhood minding its own business. As for the windows rattling? Mine have definitely rattled just from a car parked outside with the sound system ramped up. Seems like there were bad decisions on both sides of this,

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This area couldn't be less residential. It is surrounded by vacant warehouses and the 198 which is loud all by itself 24 hrs a day. I feel the residents were being very hasty in having this sutdown. I live downtown and I hear all kinds of noise pollution 24 hrs a day from the dumpsters being picked up at Hutch tech at 4am every other day, to sirens, to fireworks at Pilot Field, to bums with shopping carts full of cans and bottles, etc. It's part of living in a city. I moved into the city and I am aware of the cons which can be noise pollution from time to time. I'm not justifying the level of sound but just making the point that it's part of the gig when living in a city.

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and there's the difference between that kind of noise pollution you just listed and additional noise that doesn't need to be added to it. The lyrics were filled with trash talk on top of it all.

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tired, these lyrics were not filled with trash talk. why do so many people just assume they know what is going on before making false accusations?

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Every one that is in a neighborhood where a major event takes place is inconvenienced for the duration of that event.

Every year when Allentown arts festival takes place I get three nights of miserable sleep. My street is closed, parking is nonexistent, and trash is thrown into my yard as if it was a dumpster.

This is the closest to a complaint that I have some. Events are a part of what makes Buffalo so great! I will put up with it for the three days, just as I put up with the occasional boisterous bar patron as he hoots and hollers his way up the street. It’s part of living in Buffalo.

Shame on the police for not checking noise levels with a meter and not allowing the party to move indoors, shame on the councilman for not “being up on things” and shame on the neighbors for complaining about a one night event.

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I would much rather have this going on down the street a few times a year, versus the Italian Fest blowing up my spot for almost a week straight every year.

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What a mess!
This event should not have been shut down.

Does Mike DeGeorge actually get paid for what he does?

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something fun for young people? live music? hipsters? NIMBY!

couple weeks ago i went to a cool show on elmwood and forest it got shut down instantly because it was 'too loud' these types of things are par for the course in a backwater city like buffalo where no one wants change, progress, or fun things to do FOR THE KIDS.

people are going to complain no matter what it is, you can't allow a vocal minority to run everything all the time

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ArtGypsy is absolutely right: this should have been indoors from the start. 10 hours is waaaaaay obnoxious. Kudos to the police for shutting it down.

And why call it 'silent' exchange anyway, if not to disguise the nature of the event?

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"And why call it 'silent' exchange anyway, if not to disguise the nature of the event?"

the concept of silent exchange:

After living in NYC and Berlin for the past four and a half years, I returned to Buffalo, NY, only to find a commercial side of the electronic music scene. Not that there’s anything wrong with that!

My plan - the Silent Exchange concept – is meant to focus on what is missing: the simplistic, low key, underground, and more accessible side of the music and art scene. Buffalo does do a great job in introducing people to the mainstream sound but Silent Exchange will open the door to a new experience – to an encounter with unconventional and unexplored surroundings where people can have direct access, and a unique connection with the music and art around them.

What Silent Exchange wants is for art to show its true face – inspiring, raw and pushing limits, simultaneously. Artists can freely manifest their sound in an artistic and unpretentious environment, where their techniques and interpretation aren’t bound to any commerical expectations. International, as well as up and coming talents, will bring their edge and unfiltered sound to Silent Exchange, and artists will have the opportunity to diplay their work in one day exhibitions - with the perpetual message in mind: „actions speak louder than words.“

It doesn’t matter where we are all from, which backgrounds, interests, worlds we belong to – this is a connection between the people and the music. Words are not needed for the exchange that takes place on a dancefloor. The smiles, the winks, the hugs, the kisses between strangers – all these create the vibe.

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