Regional September 30, 2009 1:00 PM

New Survey Shows Support For Red Light Cameras

New Survey Shows Support For Red Light Cameras

A new statewide survey conducted from August 23rd to 25th of this year, by national research firm Public Opinion Strategies (POS), reveals that 77 percent of New York voters support the use of red-light cameras to monitor vehicles that run red lights. 18 percent were opposed.  The survey concludes that widespread public support for red-light camera safety programs is strong in all gender and age demographics, in all regions of the state. 

The program is supported locally by State Senator Antoine Thompson, who said, "The hope for red light cameras is that drivers will be more cautious and more aware of their surroundings. I am a supporter of red light cameras along with 77 percent of voters in New York."

An Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) review of international red light camera studies concluded that cameras reduce red-light running violations 40 to 50 percent, and reduce injury crashes by 25 to 30 percent.  In addition to reducing red-light running at camera-equipped sites, studies also show that violation reductions carry over to signalized intersections not equipped with cameras, indicating community-wide changes in driver behavior.  The Insurance Institute for Highway Safety is an independent, nonprofit, scientific, and educational organization dedicated to reducing the losses - deaths, injuries, and property damage - from crashes on the nation's highways. 

"The support registered for red-light cameras in New York State is consistent with voters' attitudes toward this public safety technology around the country," said Frank Hinds, co-founder of the Red Means Stop Traffic Safety Alliance.  Hinds' daughter, Jennifer, was killed by a red-light runner.  "Our experience is that red-light and speed cameras improve drivers' behavior, reduce crashes and save lives."

Six New York counties and cities currently have the authority to implement red-light camera safety programs in the wake of legislation signed into law this past legislative session. Previously, only New York City had legislative authorization to implement red light cameras.  New York City's red light camera program, which is run by American Traffic Solutions, has been in place since 1994.  NYC has logged a 73 percent reduction in red-light violations since the red- light cameras were activated and many pedestrian, bicyclist and motorists' lives have been saved by the reduction in crashes.

Nassau County started installation of red-light cameras at 50 intersections the first week of August.  In addition to Buffalo, the cities of Syracuse and Rochester also have legislative authorization to implement red-light camera programs.

The survey was commissioned by American Traffic Solutions, which operates large municipal and county photo enforcement programs in New York City, Nassau County, and more than 170 communities across the United States and Canada.  

 

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I fully support the red light cameras, as long as the police follow the same rules. I was behind a Buffalo Police cruiser this morning who ran through every stop sign on Tacoma while she was talking on her cell phone. I hate the 'do as I say and not as I do' mentality that many officers have.

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concur, fully. i love seeing them talking on their cell phone. i wanna throw a rock at them.

replied to O'Brien
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agreed!

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I'd love to actually see the questions on this survey. I bet if the people surveyed knew the truth about the "stats", as well as other alternatives, and tax payer cost they wouldn't vote for them.

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My thoughts exactly. I could not help but think most people who answered this survey are uneducated on the problems cities face having these cameras. They cost a fortune, higher insurance costs, people are ticketed when caught under a light trying to turn left (bad news for all companies with drivers), these PRIVATE companies that run the cameras have been known to shorten the yellow light time to pretty much entrap motorists, among other things. Why can't the police enforce it, just do their job and invest this money in something this city needs more? I mean, all Brown talks about is the 100+ "extra" police officers he has hired. Oh wait, they were replacements for the retirees.

other cities are pulling these out, yet Buffalo thinks they are on the leading edge of something fantastic. NOPE still waaay behind. Google it, its right there in writing, from multiple cities.

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I would be more apt to support these if they also doubled as the security cameras we currently have, or at least if they are monitored in the same manner. At least they would serve a greater purpose and lessen the expense of having separate cameras at certain intersections.

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I recently moved back here from san diego where they rolled these out a few years ago. They used the same safety issue to get people on board. However, they mainly were installed at interesections that, by design, tended to not to be the most dangerous but the most widely used by commuters. What wasn't revealed is that General Dynamics, the maker and calibrator of the technology, got $71 for each ticket that was issued. These tickets ran around $325 a piece. I can't remember the exact details but somehow they brought in a 3rd party and were found to be calibrated incorrectly (guess in who's favor) and a judge put a stay on the program....Also, the cops would also camp out at stop signs in the neighboring residential areas during commute hours and write tickets for not having front license plates. Obviously in connection with not being able to take pictures if you didn't

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Gee, making money on safety... so what happens when they aren't making enough money because everyone is following the rules? Does the city take a hit for the service? Does the service get shuffled on to us?

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"Everyone following the rules" ? When has THAT ever happened?

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More specifically, if they don't catch enough people, they don't profit. So what does a third-party company do when it doesn't profit from the service it's providing? Will they lobby for quicker yellow lights as they have in other cities?

In addition, in other cities like Dallas, they had to pay millions to their third-party company for the service because people started to obey the red lights. The city was profiting enough from the tickets to pay for the service.


I'm all for safety, but so long as people use money as a means of achieving safety, companies will find ways to compromise safety as a means of gaining money.

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I'm sure that, after all the bugs in other cities like San Diego, there are some conditions on the newer models.
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I hope for one installed at S Elmwood and W Tupper. This area is like the Autobahn and many a time there have been red light runners as well as speeders going past the Herman Badillo School.

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First, the statistics and this story refer to information provided by the Red Light Camera companies themselves, and on their behalf. Second, why is this article here? Sounds like propoganda driectly writen by the red light camera company...did BR get bought??? Lastly, if these things make it here its just another reason to sell the house and move out of the city to the country or the Cauca-burbs...hate this crap.

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How about: Stop for the red light? How about: Follow the LAWS, idiot?

Oh no, not you. Big Brother looks on, so YOU get to do what you want. Bad, nasty laws. Evil, pushy laws. Oh wait. Some OTHER idiot ran a red light, and squished your beloved offspring. Oh, your child is dead. THAT's bad! Yes, bad person, to ignore the law. Damn him. But not you, because you are against the Red Light Camera Companies.

And you need to get home quickly, to watch reruns or have some more beers or get online to tell us how evil is the government. Or you're too stupid to leave home early enough, to get to work on time. Fact is, people who go through red lights are stupid, and those who question red-light enforcement are more stupid.

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good morning crazy, my name is Dak

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This is a good example of the highly emotional and very irrational sensationalism that drives so many decisions in America.

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are you refering to me or the other guy?

p.s. your vocabulary is blowing my mind

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Big Brother says, all in favor say 'EYE'... to those eyes who will be watching you.

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I'm in favor of this, in moderation -- What counts as "running a red light"? Sometimes it's safer to go through a yellow light even if it's technically possible to stop and the light will be red while you go through...

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So with the new surveillance cameras and the red light cameras, what are all the newly hired Buffalo Police officers doing besides providing a private security detail for the Mayor? They are obviously too busy to fight crime in the city, so where are they????

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Hasn't it been proven that if you extend the yellow light by 1 second.... let me repeat this.... 1 SECOND.... you get an equal amount of safety. Was it in Charlotte that these red lights were pulled because they extended the yellow light and neither the city nor camera company made any money. Imagine getting a ticket for making a right on red. Imagine getting a ticket every time it snows and you go an inch over the camera trigger zone. Imaging getting a ticket while you're waiting to turn left and the light changes. I think I could go on and on and on.

These red light cameras are about one thing and one thing only, money. I can't believe people want these dumb ass cameras.

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That is what really scares me about this system. I doubt there is room for "interpretation of the infraction." Being in an intersection when the light turns red does not 100% equal you running a red light.

But I have heard that people turning right on red, or waiting to turn left and making that turn once oncoming traffic stops have been given tickets.

And what happens if I am about to go through an intersection, but a pedestrian starts to cross before they should. Am I supposed to stop and wait for them to cross (and risk a ticket) or try to avoid them and exit the intersection (and risk a collision). This situation has happened to me numerous times on Elmwood, and I'd be screwed by these cameras.

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The idea that it is a company providing this 'service' is what bothers me the most. Companies by definition only have one thing on their mind...

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why does that bother you? It isn't that different from the one thing that politicians have on their mind. The City is interested in a money grab as much as a private company, but the difference is that they are trying to convince us that they aren't in this for the money, just for 'our protection'.


BTW, did anyone read about the cameras mounted on the back of police cars that scan license plates. General Dynamics and SAIC have developed roadside models that could scan and track license plates as they pass by. This would be great for our safety, as it would take uninspected and unregistered cars off the road (or at least make the drivers pay for it). These cameras are coupled with the roadside mounted radar, as tested in Georgia, to issue speeding tickets to drivers, and alert local police to speeding, inspection, or registration infractions. There is a system in pilot in Sacremento, California that monitors for aggressive driving and will issue a summons based on the camera images.

Red light cameras are a foot in the door for more passive surveillance in the future. It sounds like we are comfortable with this as a society, so why fight it?

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Engineered consent. BBC has a great doc by adam curtis about this called The Century of the Self. Its based on work of edward bernays, sigmund freud's newphew and father of modern advertising/public relations...I recommend it highly

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The Century of Self is a favorite.

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Have you read Panoptica by Jeremy Bentham? It is as relevant today as it was when it was written, only substitute the prison concept with the urban world and the concept of an architectural solution (prison design) with a technological solution (video cameras).


For those who may be paranoid, the government considers the streets and sidewalks as public property that is owned by the government. The individual citizen has no claim to privacy in these areas. Recent US and Inernational court rulings and laws have established that the Internet is also a public domain, with few expectations of privacy for the individual. Even trusted websites where security is assumed may still be tracked by the government without consent or involvement of the inividual. Phone lines and mail have similar rules governing their usage. The Government probably won't perform surveillance in our homes; but everywhere else it is allowed.

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this is why we should fight it;
Those who give up essential freedoms for temporary security will end up with neither freedom nor security.
Ben Franklin

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And $35 parking tickets aren't enough. I didn't even receive an envelope for my last parking ticket. Guess they are really pushing those 2 dollar internet surcharge fees.

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haven't checked out Panoptica, i went to public school. but i will, thanks.

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