City September 10, 2009 11:49 AM

Chippewa Cleans Up: Porn no More

Chippewa Cleans Up: Porn no More
It's been so long since Chippewa Street was part of a "red light district" that other than a few scantilly clad co-eds in strapless mini dresses on a weekend night, we'd almost forgotten the "Chip Strip" was once home of the slogan "sex sells".

And now, the very last vestige of the once profoundly profane passage is gone; the XXX video store on Chippewa between Delaware and Franklin has shut down.  This is a good thing.

Those of you wanting blue movies will now be forced to go to the corners of Hertel and Elmwood, where there are two adult video stores within spitting distance of a defunct Dickie's Donuts and a Kinko's copy store.

No word yet on what will fill the storefront.
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Now if only they could get the actual prostitutes away from there... I was hit up by one just a couple weeks ago in broad daylight outside the Crocodile.

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that is very good news indeed, that was a pimple on the strip.

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after midnight, the strip is a pimple on the strip...

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I remember a customer coming into where I worked on Chippewa asking "Hey, where can I get a hooker around here? I haven't been to Buffalo in 17 years.. and this used to be the place to find em!" That was when I first found out about Chippewa's history. hah!

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Eh, never seemed a bother to me on Chippewa. Was just another business on the strip.

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Actually wouldn't this be the perfect place for it? I'd rather see them in an entertainment district then anywhere else.

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technology or the internet caught up to them. the blockbusters of the world will be next. can download nearly anything you want these days or pay per view right on your television.

for some reason it never bothered me that this place was there....i'd rather see the actual street and sidewalks cleaned up, swept!!!

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maybe the 'porn' store will be replaced with a 'pawn' store...
the fact that 'kinky' material is near 'Kinko's' is ironic...

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A small business with no major street presence -- how is this a blight on the Chippewa scene? I don't know -- Yonge Street in TO is pretty happening, and it's positively littered with such shops. I'd be surprised to see significant linkage between the former store and any crime on Chippewa, as opposed to fairly regular connections between the Chip club scene and any number of crimes from shootings to rapes to petty larcenies.

Proclaiming joy at the death of a storefront seems against the spirit of Buffalo Rising, no?

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Is a porn store really all that much worse than the hundreds of Drunkie McDrunks that swarm Chippewa every weekend?

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Have mixed feelings about the porn shops. I always thought of them as harmless and none of my business but now I am not so sure. There is a store on Niagara between Forest and Amherst and it has brought prostitution to the area, a problem we never had here in Black Rock. I see them almost every morning on the way to work and they use our quiet side streets for their business. Actually saw a girl and her client right from my kitchen window on a bright sunny afternoon, kids playing in the street while she took care of business. I yelled out the window and the "john" took off in a panic.(He was driving a late model Lexus, not likely he was from around here)
Also late at night the parking lot is packed with SUVs and cars that don't belong to neighborhood residents. These guys are not just there to rent movies or buy magazines. Rarely seen any local boys coming out of the store, usually middle class business types probably hiding from their wives.
Not saying these stores are evil, or all the clients are bad, just that they do bring some negatives to the host community.

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I hear ya. I'm sure that for most in the sex trade, it is not exactly their first career choice and that abuse and addiction propel most of them into it. I'd be pissed if my neighborhood was sleazed up by "family" men in SUVs who oppose sex shops in their own towns.

Nevertheless, I think prostitution should be legalized and heavily regulated, with strict licensing requirements, zoning restrictions, regular health inspections, and OSHA protection for the workers. The same way we regulate the sale of alcohol. It incenses me when sex workers are treated as disposable, like they deserve to get murdered on the job.

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I don't blame the hookers, they are usually victims of sexual abuse or drug dependency or both. I blame the Johns, they are users and abusers and show a lack of character and basic decency.
Though I agree prostitution should be legal for just the reasons you list I do not understand why any normal man would seek such shallow and empty "companionship".

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I blame both. The John is just another guy in an Explorer without the Prostitute, and the prostitute is just a scantly clad woman out getting some exercise without the John. They can blame whomever or whatever they want for where they are in life, but the truth is that there are a lot of abused women out there who do not turn to prostitution or drugs. I see that as an excuse that too many people use to justify their criminal behavior. A child molester who was abused as a child is no less a child molester because of the abuse, he knows better and still decides to commit the crimes. A woman who is abused has many options in life, the fact that she chooses to sell herself is her own business. I know I am oversimplifying, but I just don't believe that sexual abuse or drug abuse gives someone a get out of jail free card for their actions.

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I'm just saying most of them are pretty pathetic usually dependent on Heroin, Crack, or prescription drugs and alcohol. They are not living the good life and most seem greatly troubled. I can't think of any excuse for the Johns and I think you would agree they are not likely to come from within our neighborhood.

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I agree, but some of the John's are pretty messed up too. The prostitutes along Niagara aren't usually picking up rich suburban guys, from what I've seen. The guy who was recently arrested for picking up prostitutes on Niagara was an ex-felon with a long record of arrests and imprisonment. He lived on Ashland, if I recall. Buffalo's finest have arrested him a number of times for soliciting a prostitute in the same neighborhood and taking them to the same parking lot for sex. He definitely wasn't the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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When my family still lived in Riverside, I came to town to visit them regularly and I found myself driving down Niagara Street one late night not so many years ago.

I was shocked to see an almost nude woman standing on the center yellow line of Niagara Street in front of this store. It was like encountering a deer in the headlights and I had to swerve to avoid hitting her with my rental car. If that brazenness still occurs there, I'm surprised someone has not been seriously injured.

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I'm certainly no Puritan but hosting this establishment hasn't exactly brought positive spin off type development. Most of the hookers clients appear to be middle class, middle aged, wide middled white guys that aren't native to Black Rock.

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A house a block away from mine became a flop house for prostitutes and homeless women. They would never bring their clients back to the house, it was just their place to stay. Almost like an employee lounge, far enough from the action on Niagara, Grant, and Amherst, but close enough to walk to. There was a really mean woman who lived next door who seemed to run the place, she was basically the pimp of all these girls who were living there. We called the police more than a dozen times and they would tell us that unless there was a crime committed on the property, they wouldn't do more than investigate and advise. It wasn't too long until the cars started coming down the street to pick-up prostitutes and we think they were also buying drugs. The nice thing about this arrangement was the mean woman ensured that nothing was stolen and no one was messed with in our neighborhood. They didn't want to attract any unwanted attention and she was very clear with us that she was watching out for the neighborhood. Then one day they all left, in one day the entire house emptied, the house next door, the one across the street, and one at the corner. All vacant in one day. A few days later the police showed up to investigate and advise, but there was nothing to investigate. They left the houses wide open, door locks broken and doors cracked. No residents have been in since the prostitutes left. I wouldn't mind them moving back in, they are safer to have around than the crack addicts and gang bangers who hang out there now.

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Little off subject but how much influence did the ghetto type store at Amherst and Kail and the Mr Millennium store in the old Adriatic Gardens have on the deterioration of that neighborhood? Did those stores follow the trend or start it?

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In my experience, there used to be a deli or market every couple of blocks in the city. It was our grocery store and most of them hung on to their values and principles for a long time. Most of these were family owned, with the family living upstairs or behind the store. That changed over time, with families moving on and renting the store front and the apartment, or selling the business and building all together. I've seen the types of merchandise change from general groceries and household items to carrying more cigars, lighters, 40s, cell phones, and a lot of other stuff that isn't included on the REGIS inventory. Once that transformation takes place, the deli becomes the meeting place for criminals and others. This is where the delis get their bad reputations, not necessarily from the owners, but from the employees and their clientele.


I almost always stop in to the market near your house when I am passing through or out for a walk. I want them to stay on the up and up and not lose their battle against the criminal element that is encroaching on the neighborhood. I hope that my $10 or $20 every few days helps, because I worry about losing one of the last decent markets in the area.

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Don't worry there's a new bar on Chippewa opening called "4 play" (in the old Big Shots space I believe) and judging by the shotty sign and terrible purple paint it's going to draw the shadiest folks to Chippewa yet. Just wait and see.

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right, the porn store was totally ruining that shiny reputation of overindulging in coke and booze. Good thing there's no more confusion of what chippewa is for, now.

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The only thing about the old Chippewa Street that I miss are the buildings that were torn down. I seem to remember a building painted yellow and it had a turret on the corner of Allen and Franklin...

There are one or two or three buildings that I can think of that had an enormous amount of character and architectural details that are not with us anymore and I cannot help but think how much better the Chippewa District would be if those buildings were still with us...brought up to the current condition of the current buildings.

As far as the prostitutes and the sex...sorry...maybe its my religion or something else but I cannot help but look at them as I do the homeless and the street urchins ... there is a sadness...that these are someones sons and daughters...how could people have brought life into this world and let them fall so far.

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It was Fishermans Wharf queencity, and it stood where Soho is now, and what a fine piece of architecture Soho is.

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That was a great old building all trimmed out in beautifully worked Medina sandstone. The corner turret was especially elaborate with carved floral designs and cherub faces peering down. It was still intact though poorly maintained when it was demolished in I believe 1989 or soon after.
Most of the best stone was sold to the Antique Architectural Circus on Connecticut St. They displayed two huge pieces in front of their store for many years. I salvaged some lintels and corners blocks that were headed to the landfill, even found one of those cherubs that been overlooked.

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Not so sure this is "good news." Isn't diversity a good thing? I agree, you can be on the most vibrant street in any major city and see a porn store a block away from a children's store. I'd rather see a porn store than a vacant storefront. Maybe if the city spent some money cleaning the street up we'd see something other than another bar open.

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I never bought the argument that the activities promulgated by the XXX vendors and the related sex trade were 'victimless' crimes. They're a nuisance and a threat to public health and safety and victimize those least able to fend and provide for themselves. A societal failure creating a social wasteland.

I've done some volunteer work with people caught up in this morass and the outcomes are not sexy, glamorous or appealing in the least way.

Sounds puritanical, doesn't it? Tolerance does have its limits unless you're a champion of Larry Flynt.

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What's weird about those businesswes is that they look like crap and you never see many people go into them yet when the city tries to dislodge them, they suddenly have all this money to pay for lawyers. But what's killing them off is the internet. So your workload will only worsen.

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Back in the late 50's/early 60's, that area of Riverside around the intersections of Vulcan/Skillen north to Kenmore Ave. used to be undeveloped parcels of land where we neighborhood kids would hang out. Lots of cars came and went on those side streets all summer long. They always got my curiosity up.

One afternoon, there was what appeared to ba an abandoned car on one of the side streets just begging for an inestigation. I coaxed a buddy into going exploring. After all, the windows were down and it hadn't moved in hours. We didn't find any active human engagement in progress, but there was a slew of explicit Polaroids on the front seat.

My suspicions of unusual behavior confirmed, I paid the traffic in this area no further attention.

Nothing new under the sun.

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This was the ONLY business on the street where cocaine & other hard drugs are not found. It's easily available at EVERY club & restaurant on the strip. This was the ONLY Chippewa business that did not cater to drunks & addicts.

Every club & restaurant on Chippewa, most of the ones downtown, & Allentown have become cocaine dens, with most of the owners & management bigger drug abusers than their addicted customers. Yet we single this small shop that doesn't do that crap of being bad because they sell naked pictures? Grow up! Drug addictions are tearing society, & communities apart.

The #1 cause of serious crimes is drugs! Don't worry about the pictures! If they would lock up every coke user & seller today, every club & restaurant in downtown & Allentown would have to close because there would be few customers, owners, & management left.

If you want to clean up the area, get rid of the coke, crack, other hard drugs, & stop worring about naked pictures.

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