City August 11, 2009 3:30 PM

ECHDC Board Meeting: Aud Site, Inner Harbor Bridge and More

ECHDC Board Meeting: Aud Site, Inner Harbor Bridge and More
The Erie County Harbor Development Corporation (ECHDC) Board of Directors met today at 95 Perry Street and by phone with the New York City bureau to discuss contracts with various private contractors, the Aud demolition site and progress on the Harbor itself.

Buffalo Memorial Auditorium has been taken down, but its demolition was only one part of the fix.  According to Larry Quinn and Jordan Levy, Bass Pro officials have been very vocal about the site, submitting designs and keeping in regular contact with ECHDC about moving forward.  WNY builder Benderson has also working on designs, and Quinn discussed the likelihood of a public hearing in October to address the next stage of the project. 

"This will be a symbol of the renaissance of Western New York," Director Jordan Levy said.  "We'll deliver something that will exceed expectations." 

On another note, DEMCO (the construction company contracted to demolish the Aud) managed to save historically significant stone and donated to the Buffalo Sabres Foundation at no cost to the taxpayer.  The stone will be cut up and sold as mementos by the foundation. 

The board also discussed the Inner Harbor Bridge proposal, as reported on Buffalo Rising.   Buffalo Harbor Bridge Senior Project Manager Steve Ranalli spoke about the terms of the project, which includes "an aggressive EIS (Environmental Impact Study)" on the site, meetings with the Coast Guard to determine the type of bridge and bridge height, and meetings with General Mills, in regard to any impact the bridge would have on the efficiency of their operations.  GM is looking for a bridge that will be best for Buffalo and for them.  Ranalli plans on finalizing project specifications by June 2011. 

Mayor Brown pointed out that this project would be Buffalo's submission for a portion of a possible $300 million Federal T.I.G.E.R. (Transportation Investment Generating Economic Recovery) grant from New York State.  This project would require around $100 million.  The grant generally doles out money in $20-$30 million increments, and Buffalo would certainly not want to miss out on any of that money, according to Brown. 

"The Inner Harbor Bridge would be a community-based ask, to benefit the city and entire region," Mayor Brown said.  "This would be a collaborative effort between the city and the ECHDC." 

Jordan Levy mentioned that he will be meeting with Senator Schumer soon, and will certainly inform him that the entire region would benefit from Federal funds for the bridge.

Mayor Brown voiced his concerns over use of minority workers in ECHDC projects and was assured by the board that this was not a problem.  On the Aud site, minority workers made up 32 percent of the 27,000 logged man-hours.  They also pointed out that they meet and regularly exceed the minimum affirmative action requirements on projects.  Finally, despite the fact that there isn't legislation dictating it, the ECHDC also tries to employ as many city residents as possible.

The board concluded with a discussion about the Commercial Slip multi-story, mixed use parking garage to be erected at the Marine Drive parking lot.  The elevated garage will include 1,200 parking spaces (two-thirds covered), with free spots for Marine Drive tenants and the mixed use exterior facing Canal Side and the harbor.  The $1 million project will be paid for with a mixture of 80 percent Federal funds, and 20 percent ECHDC monies.  A site has not yet been chosen for temporary parking for residents while the garage is built.

 




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Will this fix the jobs issues in Western New York and start bringing the hundreds of thousands of Western New Yorkers back? Will this build complete corporate ladder chains in more than just two or three industries from entry level to corporate execs so those out of college can land jobs fairly quickly in their field out of school? I appluad the efforts to develop the waterfront and its great to see development promised so many times over so many decades actually break free and happen but without population growth, employment growth, positive buzz, etc. I wonder how much the inner harbor will be able to do for Buffalo and Western New York and will it truly represent the rennaissance of Western New York? Though its true the area is doing things to improve itself and become more attractive, reduce the eyesore rust belt image its had I wonder what "rennaisance" really means? I would think it meant market growth, expendable income growth, a region with an aweful lot of "come here's". Buffalo and Western New York are still very much insulated as far as I am concerned and this is both a positive and negative thing. Its positive for instance in that the region hasnt had such high development pressures that the area has been able to lose alot yet maintain many of its historic structures and now it can seek to presrve them. Development pressures havent totally overrun the city and removed nearly all elements of the past. Its bad because its stagnant, people still leave, many of the old time mentalities still exist and there arent many outsider perspectives to draw from, the market doesnt grow so the big developers hold back or cant justify the new projects people want. With a lack of growth and in fact decrease in population I wonder if this won't end up being just another way to shuffle of the deck? What district must die for the inner harbor to bloom and prosper? I am all for inner and outer harbor development but...

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Some T.I.G.E.R. money to repave the Amherst-to-Kenmore section of Elmwood, please; it's a disaster.

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Here's an idea...tear down those aweful looking Marine Drive apartments and expand canalside! OR...how about some high-end, high-rise condos? Buffalo...do you realize we are the only city that offers low-end housing on our WATERFRONT? Someone has to be listening in city hall...anyone?

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Have any plans ever been discussed to get rid of these eyesores? Now that we know there is demand for high-end tower living on the waterfront, can't they come down? Is ANYONE listening? These are a disgrace. Why is this type of housing on the waterfront still?

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I think CanalSide should preserve the Marine Drive apartments; It helps keep the environment around the commercial slip authentic.

Recall that during its heyday the original canal side was covered with squatters, populated with aggressive vagrants and was home to many a criminal enterprise.

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Id love to see the Marine Drive Apartments go but that is very unlikely. Remember the Management Clause that gave all the property management golden parachutes and allowed them to take the entire reserve fund for the buildings in severance packages. Remember the accusations that the Marine Drive Apartments were for the politically connected and not the real poor. These are city giveways for the politically connected and their unlikely to be demolished easily.

As far as the Bridge...Ive already stated I like the corrected Erie Street. I think Main and Pearl and Michigan have problems with them.

The thing I would like to see and isnt being discussed is the DL&W Passenger Concourse which was a multi-modal station in that it handled both Passenger Ships on one level and Passenger Rail on another. If the DL&W Passenger Concourse were rebuilt then the Erie Canal Wharf District could stretch from Erie all the way to Michigan.

The other thing I would like to see discussed is the possibility of rewatering the Ohio Basin and surrounding the three sides with a canal themed Conference Center, Convention Center, Hotel. It would be light rail accessable, easily accessible to thruway and plenty of room for parking. Most of all...the location marks the southern end of the Erie Canal warehouse district and the location offers decades of room for expansion while other locations will be obsoleted due to the growth surrounding the location.

Remember that Buffalo needs 4 bridges.
1) the lift bridge connecting Furhman Boulevard to downtown
2) the International Railroad bridge to Canada needs to be replaced.
3) the Ohio Street Bridge needs to be replaced
4) with the potential 4th at the southern end of Furhman Boulevard and Ganson connecting back to the First Ward.

We are only pursuing one of the 4 bridges needed.

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I believe in ten years we'll be talking about how much money it will cost the city of Buffalo to tear down the ugly, useless Bass-Pro building. It will be a very limited, short term "tourist" attraction. I spoke with some Canadians recently who had just toured the bicycle museum in Orchard Park. They were bubbling over with their excitement of the attraction. They couldn't believe it isn't being saved here and promoted as a must see destination. How much would it cost to bring this museum to the waterfront?

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much less than it is costing to lure a cheap sporting goods store... A huge failure for the administration. In all that room, they couldn't put pressure to find a place for the museum. Or the chump change that would be needed to keep it local.


I will support millions of dollars to demolish homes and leave vacant lots that will further negatively impact the city but I wouldn't support a couple million for a new museum in what is support to be a tourist draw. People don't come to cities for their sporting goods stores, they come there for cultural and family attractions.

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I don't see why you can't have both. The only issue is that the museum is still private and wants to remain that way, so they are limited in funding options and opportunities with the city.

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These baby steps are needed to make up the big strides Buffalo needs to truly become a world-class city once again. It is this type of piecemeal change that has brought Buffalo incredibly far in less than three years (remember that New Era, Avant, and a host of other projects weren't completed or even conceived in September 2006).


The little pieces will make a large impact over time. It sounds like many people are still looking for a huge "shot in the arm" type of program that will radically change the city. This approach does not work (Main Place for example).


And as for demolishing the Marine Drive Apartments - would this debate even be tangible without the development of the Naval Park, Commercial Slip, or Canalside? Step by step we will build a stronger and more viable city. And while we may just be "shuffling the deck" now - it will be these small steps, enhancements in quality of life and aesthetics, that will attract out-of-town companies and new Buffalonians from across the country - not to mention the number of eventual large companies that could grow from scratch right here in WNY.


(Finally, RLC, if we did alter the Marine Drive Apartments in any way...gentrification is "so 20th Century" - mixed-income development is the future.)

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I don't think asking for a bicycle museum is looking for a huge shot in the arm. In fact it would be a baby step with not a lot of cost. It would be the sort of attraction that appeals to all ages. People would spend a couple hours or so walking around. Then they would be hungry and looking for a place to eat and drink. That means they would spend even more time and money. Isn't that what we're looking for?

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smart post.

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If you look at the scheme of things, Buffalo, the old and decrepit town has lost population. However, the bigger picture shows that Erie County’s population peaked in the 1970s. From that peak we are only down about 200K. That's it. Not a tremendous amount. In 1970 is was 1,113,491. In 2007 it was 913,338. Percentage wise this is not that great. Many Larger cities have gone through larger losses. Heck even NYC has greater % swings in its history. The key is to bring some money back into the city. First, make police officers and firemen and all city officials live within city limits. Second, make available some living arrangements that people would want to live in. I can't ever imagine living on the East side, but with a decent housing development people will move back. I used to think that jobs were the key, but I have changed my mind on that considering the relatively small to moderate population loss in Erie County. There are jobs. Not Blue collar industrial jobs, but other more administrative jobs. They are out there. Besides, do we really want to get industry that will eventually leave for Vietnam or Mexico? We need more White Collar investment... from the suburbs. UBs investment is going to pay big dividends. It would not surprise me to see Buffalo gain population in the next decade. I've been to nearly every top...30 city and Buffalo is by far the most livable. You will never find a city that has more history, has more public amenities, e.g. botanical Gardens, Philharmonic, Sports Teams... a beautiful waterfront....AND NO TRAFFIC TO FIGHT. It is really a jewel. We are all very lucky to live here.

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pfk67>"If you look at the scheme of things... From that peak we are only down about 200K. That's it. Not a tremendous amount."

It depends what you mean by the scheme of things. In context of the U.S., the county's shrinkage is a tremendous amount. From 1970-2007 the U.S. gained 48% (so that's the gain for the average county in the U.S.) while Erie Co. shrunk by 18%. That's a 66% gap.

Anyhow, it's spilled milk at this point. Actually, it's still spilling... but life will go on.

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"On the Aud site, minority workers made up 32 percent of the 27,000 logged man-hours"


Is this still our biggest concern?

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It is important to track.

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Why is that again? Because it's an election year?

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Mayor Brown voiced his concerns over use of minority workers in ECHDC projects and was assured by the board that this was not a problem. On the Aud site, minority workers made up 32 percent of the 27,000 logged man-hours. They also pointed out that they meet and regularly exceed the minimum affirmative action requirements on projects. Finally, despite the fact that there isn't legislation dictating it, the ECHDC also tries to employ as many city residents as possible.

I AM SO SICK OF MINORITY PREFERENCES!
ENOUGH!

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