City August 11, 2009 9:02 AM

The Red Mark of Death

The Red Mark of Death

The 19th century building at center in this picture is likely nearing its end.  It has been painted with what David Torke at Fix Buffalo likes to call the "red mark of death".  He notes that the city paints these marks on buildings that it intends to tear down in the near future.  So here we have just another crappy old building, that no one wants, ready to be hauled off to a landfill.  Many will say get rid of it, the faster the better.  Maybe they are right but what if they are not?  This building is an increasingly rare example of the typical commercial buildings that once lined Buffalo's streets, numbering in the thousands.  

Is elimination of the city's history the best path to rebuilding? Many say yes. Does the city have a plan for what buildings get demolished and which get saved?  Is there a strategy for identifying historic buildings that might be important assets in efforts to form new neighborhoods in the wake of the massive destruction of more than 60 years of disinvestment?  To many, this Near East Side strip of Genesee Street is out of sight, out of mind.  

It is a place most never venture to, mainly because it is on the East Side. That would be bad enough but, even worse, this building falls on the wrong side of the suburban auto centric barriers of the Kensington off ramps to the north and the Elm Oak Arterial to the west.  With these impediments in place, it is easy to devalue a run down building such as this and the Near East Side neighborhood it inhabits.  But take just a few minutes studying this area and you can see the tremendous potential and importance of this neighborhood and this building to the city's future.

First, this building sits just 4 short blocks from the Genesee Gateway Project.  That quickly moving restoration project is bringing life back to a row of formerly dilapidated buildings similar to this one--buildings that just a few years ago faced a similar fate as well. Several other recent projects have transformed that downtown edge into an up-and-coming part of the city.  311 Genesee is also about the same short distance from the recently announced location for the massive University of Buffalo Medical School relocation and expansion. 311 Genesee is set in a strip of city street that has had many buildings removed but still has many great examples of historic urban 19th century architecture remaining.  

With planning and forward thinking, which uses these valuable and irreplaceable buildings, a compelling urban streetscape could be reborn in this area.   But this will not be possible if these buildings continue to be removed year after year.  Bit by bit, the city loses its unique history and character in favor of bland suburbanism and emptiness.  Buffalo cannot compete with the suburbs on suburban terms.  If that is the plan the city is doomed to continued failure.  This is one old, forlorn building.  It is not a landmark.  It is not a masterpiece.  It is simply the kind of indigenous historic building that can help rebuild a unique city neighborhood that can attract the kind of people that cities thrive on.  Surround downtown with successful neighborhoods and you will create a thriving downtown.  This is where you start, with this little building. 

Check out this short Google slideshow of nearby buildings on Genesee (sorry no music with this one).  Tell me you can't see a great street here waiting to be made.  Or, we could make some more parking.

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Steel> he 19th century building at center in this picture is likely nearing its end.

Sigh. That looks like the most distinctive of the bunch, too. Buffalo really doesn't have the concentration of smaller mercantile structures compared to peer cities. The frame-house-with-a-storefront vernacular in Buffalo is once of the city's shortcomings, but for some reason those types of buildings live on while the solid brick mercantile structures end up in the landfill.

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Far easier to make preservation of such buildings more legitimate and financially feasible with population growth and an additional 200,000 people living in the city. At some point the market size will make preservation of all these buildings impossible. If you want to fix this then population growth is absolutely necessary. Right now its cool to do preservation jobs but at some point the market wont absorb it.

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is there any way to save this one? how much $ to take it off the city's hands?

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When the BRO article about the Woodlawn row houses appeared, a few commenters suggested the city took efforts to save them. It was as if the few gestures by the city were sufficient and it should be let off the hook now after the fire. An emergency demolition will soon occur. However, David Torke (who lives just a block away) said in today's Buffalo News that "They should have mothballed and marketed the property in some sort of strategic way. There's been a systematic failure." He's right.

Those same folks will probably chime in here yet again that the city can't save every building and this structure shouldn't be saved because no one is interested in it.

Mayor Brown seems hell bent on meeting his goal of demolishing 5000 in 5. Architectural integrity be damned.

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Development in all parts of WNY continues in the face of declining population. There is no reason the same cannot happen inside Buffalo if some thinking goes into where it can work.

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hey STEEL-
do you know who to contact about information on this building?

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Steel, you're right. The problem is that citizens have to recognize and appreciate these structures, too, so they can pressure their elected leaders.

As evidenced here on BRO, there are enough folks who would seem to be glad to let the free-market dictate whether Buffalo is reduced to rubble.

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steel> Development in all parts of WNY continues in the face of declining population. There is no reason the same cannot happen inside Buffalo if some thinking goes into where it can work.

Again, you can't force people to live in the city.

Sprawl in the 'burbs continues because household sizes are shrinking. Even though the area population is shrinking, the demand for housing continues to grow. Why? In 1950, a typical Buffalo household was the usual big Catholic family of four to six residents or more. Today, there is no "typical" household; you've got singles, DINKs, single parents, same-sex partners, retirees living alone or with their spouses, and, in decreasing frequency, married couples with children.

You say "but there's housing in the city that can accommodate them". Yes, but they're in places people don't want to live; the ghetto or industrial areas to name a couple of typical situations. Also, many city houses, mainly the tens of thousands of small worker's cottages, are functionally obsolete, and the cost of renovation is far more than the cost of building new. The inner ring suburbs will soon be experiencing the same fate with their post-War "doll house" Cape Cods and ranch houses.

The key to getting people to move back into Buffalo: younger generations don't have the same desire to live in the 'burbs as their parents did. In increasing numbers, they want to live in an urban environment. However, those younger generations are being lost to growing cities, and the folks left behind are more likely to hold on to the dated mindset that the 'burbs are the place to be.

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There is a flaw in your statement. You say that the young would like to live in a city and they are being lost to other cities. With development of the city the young will have a place to go, and with development there are development of jobs.

Many of the young do not want to leave. I am 23 and I want to stay. I am passionate about our city. I love our city because of it's history and it's architecture. Without trying to save parts of the city no one will ever be able to live in it. If people continue to knock things down there will be no reason to live in the city or to stay, and there will be no where to live, eat play. People my age do want to live in the city and many want to stay. I will say that many of the young are more willing and less afraid to take a chance. People taking chances are the only way things get better. We should encourage chances not shut people and their dreams down.

If we knock everything down in the idea that there will be new builds, where face it, it is unlikely there ever will be, we will be destroying the reason people love our city. Yes some things cannot be saved and I understand that. I don't personally know what condition this building is in so I am speaking in a general sense.

By the way STEEL I really love the red building. Anyone have any story on that?

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drjackal31>"and with development there are development of jobs."

Not necessarily. Especially not necessarily for development of career type jobs. Sometimes yes, but often no. Saving old buildings can be a nice goal in some ways, but I've never heard claims it will develop a lot of new professional jobs that wouldn't otherwise exist.


drjackal31>"Many of the young do not want to leave. I am 23 and I want to stay. I am passionate about our city."

That's all good and hopefully you can stay since you want to. But there's also many of the young who consider things like career opportunites in growing areas as a higher priority than hometown passion when deciding whether to stay if from here (or whether to move here if not from here - that inflow is rare for the Buffalo area).

I think Dan's summary was a pretty good description of what's been happening, even though there's always exceptions.

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Hard to know, looking at the front, whether or not any significant structural damage makes this place a danger, but it is a shame to knock down this type of building in a location so close to downtown. The east side arterioles were loaded with this kind of building. I would like to see it saved.

I'm all for knocking down many of the vacant homes on the east side, making way for new construction eventually. I'm okay with green space as a holding strategy (urban prairie) for blocks that are cleared (to reduce infrastructure maintenance expense while we wait for a better day). Many blocks have, to my mind, few saving graces. But I'm more partial to old commercial storefronts such as this. This kind of building won't ever be replaced with the density and charm that the originals possessed.

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First, Flyguy you're right on. As much as everyone wants to say we should save everything and things should happen in the city, socio-economics (what those developers with the money we all wish we had tend to turn to when making investment decisions) dictate otherwise. Until population growth occurs in the REGION, not the city but the region, happens, this will continue to happen. Growth in the region is the only way a significant influx of people into the city can be expected. Or maybe that won't happen as GM announced a new 230 MPG vehicle today! Maybe sprawl will continue unabated.

To Steel's point regarding development taking place in other areas of WNY, again, it's an socio-economic issue. More people in the suburbs leads to more commerical development (retail follows rooftops). And without going into the concept of how commercial development is funded and how money is made and the issues of depreciation, let's just say that it's easier to make more money in the suburbs. And more to that, new construction is cheaper than renovations.

Sounds like your basic economic incentives argument where the economic incentive is greater outside the city. And that continues to be the case. And with what is seemingly a deeply corrupt City government, that can't get out of its own way to promote redevelopment (permitting and approval process is to lengthy and too costly), that will continue.

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What a shame! This building looks like it's in better shape than 918 Main St. Which, does anyone know the status of the Summitt Bldg? The roof has collapsed even further.

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I don't know who to contact but will look into it

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thank you. i've emailed a few city hall addresses but nothing yet.

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't the red box with a 'x' through it mean that the City Fire Department has inspected the property and deemed it unsafe to enter in the event of a fire? So, hopefully that doesn't necessary mean it will be demolished. However, if Brown's past track record is any indication, it more than likely will end up in a landfill.

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Should there be a policy to save the Facades on buildings like these?

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Stell, I've wondered about this for a little while, and maybe it's an idea - I wonder if we can get a bunch of BRO readers together who'd be willing to form an LLC with us so we could go around town, buy buildings like this, and reconvert them? We talk often on here about saving historic buildings (and I'm all for it), but we also ask repeatedly "Who's going to save this?" Well, just throwing it out there, why don't we?

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good idea. even just a web page with a list & pic of each property would be helpful.
trying to find out how to save this one right now.

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I think that would be a good start. We get a website going and then we branch out.

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Damnit! BR ate another one of my posts!

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The fate of this building and many others is an example of what the Hyatt Atrium and the Convention Center have done to the eastside.

What exactly?

By blocking Genessee Street from McKinley Circle, the Waterfront, Elmwood, Delaware, Pearl, Franklin, Main etc...they are redirecting all traffic to the I-190.

There are many downtown patrons who take Elmwood and Delaware all the way to north buffalo, kenmore and tonawanda.

There are many downtown patrons who take either the Light Rail ParknRide or drive up Main Street to north buffalo, university, eggertsville, snyder, williamsville, etc.

But thanks to the city court parking lot, the convention center and the atrium no downtown patron has the option to take Genessee to enter or leave the city.

WHAT PEOPLE DONT REALLIZE IS THOSE CARS CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR LOCAL BUSINESS, THOSE LOCAL BUSINESSES CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR EMPLOYMENT AND THOSE EMPLOYEES CREATE OPPORTUNITIES FOR TENANTS AND PROPERTY OWNERS.

THATS THE COST OF CLOSING OFF THE EASTSIDE OF BUFFALO AND REDIRECTING TRAFFIC TO I-190.

THREE THINGS THAT WOULD FIX THE EASTSIDE:
1) LIGHT RAIL CORRIDOR TO THE AIRPORT
2) RE-OPEN GENESSEE STREET
3) CLOSE ELM OAK AND MOVE THE ACCESS RAMPS FURTHER OUTSIDE THE CITY PERHAPS REPLACING ELM/OAK WITH OAK/MICHIGAN OR WITH JEFFERSON OR WITH FILLMORE (SINCE ALL CONNECT TO THE KENSINGTON AND THE I-190)

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I am told that John Hannon at the Division of Real Estate is who to call about someone purchasing the building. The city is taking a beating on the recent Woodlawn Rowhouse disaster http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/760116.html so maybe they will be receptive to a serious plan for this building.

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thank you very much, STEEL.

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Sin,

Please let me know what you find out about this property. I am currently looking at some buildings just like this to purchase and rehab over the next 12-18 months. I may be interested in working together on this building.

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calling in the AM. I'll reply here tomorrow.

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I wish you luck (truly) in getting the City to part with such properties. The City acts like a real estate mogul, determined to hang on to everything that can be 'packaged' into bigger lots for subsidized projects. They don't like it when their "poverty industry" plans are disrupted.

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hey Solarguy-
i'm talking to a few people right now. they've both said that this building will need to be completely gutted (top to bottom, nothing is usable- including joints). i will update again with any other news.

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A little more on 311 Genesee:

The building was once known as the Schamber Building, called this because it was the home of Schamber & Sons Harness Dealer from around 1900 to around 1960.

It is also not far from Termini's new project at 125 Cherry - the first project announced that will take advantage of the new state historic tax credits.

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A business in the inner city that specialized in selling harnesses operated until _1960_?

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311 Genesee was Frank's music store, offering lessons and instrument rentals and repairs until around 1909.

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I was in either downtown Rochester or downtown Syracuse, I can't remember which, in the 1980s and they still had a downtown harness & tack store.

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Who cares. Knock it down.

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The Red Mark Of Death is not a mark of death. A box means the property is vacant, a box with an x in it means it's vacant and dangerous (floors missing, etc.). The letters next to the box indicate exactly what the problem is in case an inspector, police, or the fire department need to enter. It doesn't mean that the property is scheduled for demo - but it certainly isn't a good thing either.

It's hard to say from a picture whether the property is too far gone or not. It's possible that it's sound but the City didn't want to risk the Preservation Board holding up the demo so they are going around the board via an emergency demo. It's also possible that the building is structurally unsound and unsafe and needs to come down and the City is doing the right thing. Unfortunately we lose so many sound buildings that it's hard to just trust that it needs to come down because the City says so.

Because of it's location it is certainly a mothballing candidate assuming that it isn't too far gone. This, along with the very valid question of whether anyone is interested in rehabbing it, should be the focus here. Although buildings can't be mothballed forever - it would be nice to see the City try it once and a while (hopefully long before they get into this condition). The cost of properly mothballing the Woodlawn Row Houses would have been far less expensive than the demo cost will be.

It takes the Commissioner of Inspections and Permits or the Fire Commissioner to authorize an emergency demo so calls to Brian Reilly's office would be most appropriate if you want to stay the demo. I'm sure that the Preservation Board would be willing to visit and make some sort of informed call on it if they were asked (we have a structural engineer on the volunteer Preservation Board - I don't believe City Hall has a certified structural engineer employed in it's inspections department). The Preservation board meets this Thursday if the Commissioner would like it added to the agenda.

I have to say though - the City doesn't really do a lot of emergency demos so I expect, unfortunately, there actually are some structural issues here.

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Thanks Harvey,

That is great info. I know the (very poor) city of Buffalo is overwhelmed with the vacancy problem. It is frustrating however when it appears that there is no plan in place for taking advantage of real assets such as this strip of Genesee Street. It looks as if many of the structures in the area are somewhat moth balled. With just a little forethought a building like this does not need to get to the emergency demo state. By the time the city is finished with the Woodlawn site they will have spent tens of thousands on demolition. They will have lost 10's of thousands in property taxes and will likely end up using another few hundred thousand dollars in federal and state money to subsidize the construction of 2 new sterile suburban styled plastic coated houses. With far less money the city could have simply renovated Woodlawn. With far less money the city could at minimum stabilize a building and street like this. But that would take some planning. Something that seems to be lacking here.

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Obviously the Brown administration has no fondness for historic buildings. Anyone who takes on a project like this is on their own. I don't know anything about the structural condition of these particular buildings. My profile picture is the building that my husband bought 25 years ago. At that time this building was absent from any of the drawings the city had for this neighborhood in the future. When my husband bought the building, everyone he knew questioned his state of mind in purchasing such an old building in "that" neighborhood. This building is our home and our business. Taking on the renovation of old buildings can become your life's work. We feel it has been worth the effort. We have raised four wonderful children in this "old" building in "that" neighborhood.

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Well, when it is gone I'm sure he will have the street swept and a fresh coat of paint slapped on the surrounding buildings, that will then in turn rehab the area! Look for the podium here in the near future!

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I'm feeling defeated.

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Love your building. Thanks for saving it. It is my impression is that your area is slowly improving. There are many newer builds nearby (though many are 15-20 years old by now). Newer improvements on Jefferson and housing projects between Jefferson and downtown seem a world better than before. The Larkin's not far away. But as a resident what's your take? Does it feel like it's getting better to you or does the neighborhood feel stagnant since your homesteading?

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Thank you. It is slowly improving. I don't care for the style of the housing nearby, but it definitely improved the neighborhood. We know most of our neighbors and they are all wonderful people! What's going on in the Larkin District is extremely exciting to us and is exactly what we've been waiting for. We are very thankful to Howard Zemsky and his partners for all they are doing. It is great to see others appreciate the beauty of what we have seen for years. As far as the area between Jefferson and downtown, I think there are some problems in the Towne Gardens which make life difficult for a lot of people.

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All three buildings shown above would make an excellent rehab project. Like the Genessee gateway, entire stretches can be rebuilt and brought to market instead of doing just one and risking losing the rest. All it takes is some ambition...and lots of money! :)

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You are right Sony. These need to be done together

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I just learned that this building IS slated for demo. The city does not want to do it, but any potential buyer would have to submit plans for the building in order to delay the demolition. It has suffered considerable water damage, and would have to be completely gutted. I live in Brooklyn, and I'm trying to get to Buffalo to see if it can be done (by me, that is), but anyone interested should try to beat me to it (its too beautiful not to save).

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The lower Genesee street is being preserved by a few. The Cosmopolitan Art Gallery is setting up shop at 413 Genesee street. In what was the former Miles lounge, also to note this was for many years the meeting hall for 3 of the Improved Order of Red Men (masonic tribes). The IORM was a direct evolution of the original Sons of Liberty. Records of the tribes are housed in their museum in Waco Texas and there is a very rich history involving Buffalo's tribes.
Back to the Buildings there are many people who have the tools and the talent to revitalize these historic buildings and 311 Genesee street had people interested in doing so. Inquiries were made and interest was said at a council hearing.
It is my opinion that the law needs to be changed for the method of determining the opening bid amounts at the City's in-rem foreclosure sale. You see the opening bid price determines the fate of the property, 311 Genesee street was offered for $16,500 at the sale. Being one who knows what it takes to turn a property around the value of 311 Genesee should be $3000. There is a magic formula the city uses to determine the opening bid amounts and it has nothing to do with actual value of a property. I believe that if a property is passed upon at its first foreclosure opening bid amount a reassessment should take place and shortly after another auction should take place based on no reserve and absolute sale of the properties. Let the people bid from zero and win the bids based of their willingness to invest. If there must be a starting bid amount (reserve) it should be known publicly before the sale starts since it is known by the auctioneer and a select few city officials. There is a reason behind every foreclosed property and the in -rem sale is a good way to buy, but it should be more transparent. Most importantly this city needs people to work on their feet and not be arm chair preservationist, do not wait for a demolition to take notice in a Historic property. Get up from the chair, find your diamond in the rough, make a use plan first, and figure you must replace all mechanicals at least! And be happy in your work.
The Mighty has 24 years of dealing with the city and living on Genesee street. Yes one person can save a building but its best if you live near or in the property and know your neighbors well.

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Hey, that's a Mighty thoughtful and informative comment -- thank you. Would you please phone Preservation Buffalo Niagara (852-3300), and leave your name and contact info, so that folks can privately keep in touch with you about this building, and lower Genesee Street--? Again, thank you very much.

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