City August 31, 2009 12:09 AM

"Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"

“Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely”
For anyone who attended the Silent Exchange electronic music festival at The Yard on Saturday, I am sorry that you had to witness Buffalo's Men in Blue in such a sorry state. As fifty young music fans stood around watching a DJ spin on stage, Buffalo Police filed onto private property and threatened the crowd to disband or pay the consequences. Despite the fact that the proper permits had been filed with City Hall, that would allow the music to go on until 10pm, Buffalo Police would not listen to reason, only resorting to 'police state' tactics as the young music fans looked on in bewilderment .

One of the reasons that The Yard was chosen for the event was that it is widely known that the bandshell at LaSalle Park is next to impossible to book unless you have an 'in' with The City. So that means that the only other alternative when it comes to holding a concert at a permanent outdoor music festival is The Yard. The Yard is not in a residential neighborhood. Nor is it in a commercial neighborhood. It's located in an abandoned industrial area surrounded by nothing and no one. Maybe sometime in the future this might be inhabited by college students, but that's just not the case at this point in time. So how do the police claim that there was a noise complaint, especially since the music could not be heard until you turned the corner of the building and actually saw the stage?

Why did the Buffalo Police Force (D-District) decide to shut down a concert with fifty people in attendance? Nobody seems to know. The organizers had all of their permits in place. When filing for these permits, the organizers duly notified the police jurisdiction, so that the authorities were well aware of the event. There was even a rent a cop at the door checking IDs. It was in broad daylight when a slew of police cars showed up to raid the event and shut it down. Young and old people stood watching in amazement as the police officers got out of their cars with Billy Clubs in their hands demanding that everyone vacate the premise. I've never seen anything like it, and am still mind boggled as to what happened and why.

It is a true travesty to have experienced such blatant intolerance over the weekend.  Especially when all that the promoters were trying to do was to shine a positive spotlight on a part of Buffalo that needs a lot of help. What better way to do that than encourage creative young people and social entrepreneurs to help take part in the city's renaissance? There was no out of control crowd, or behavior, that should have prompted a cavalcade of no less than eight police cars to show up when they did.  

It should also be noted that this was not the first time that they had checked on the premises.  Throughout the day the police continued to pay a visit to The Yard feigning any knowledge that a legitimate show was underway. Each time they arrived they were assured that all of the appropriate measures had been followed and nobody was being bothered. The promoter went out of her way to find a location In Black Rock that would not upset or offend anyone. Wouldn't you think that there would be more pressing issues to be fought by the police rather than breaking up a music festival? If these are the types of pressing matters that the Buffalo Police are combating, then maybe we should be more afraid of their devotion to non-threatening issues, especially when gang violence should be a high priority. Obviously in this case they would rather spend their time harassing the people who are trying to do good things for the city than fight real crime.

The two primary investors in the show, who are based out of Manhattan, throw festivals mostly in cities such as Miami, Los Angeles, and New York.  Next month, they are even focusing their efforts on the scene in Brazil.  Therefore, Buffalo, was a new experience  for them, and one that wouldn't have been on their radar, if not for the tireless work of a local promoter, (who just moved back to Buffalo - welcome back from the Buffalo police force).  All three were extremely happy with the Buffalonians who were there to hear the caliber of music that the DJs were spinning.

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The cops could not have picked a worse time to start their harassment (is there ever a good time?) And the harassment continued until they got what they came for - locking people inside the gates while locking others out. In talking with the investors, as the police proceeded in closing down the show, they were already writing Buffalo off of their radar, and for good reason in my opinion.  Considering how everyone's time and money was just throw away in a matter of minutes, without so much as an explanation, or being given a name of a higher up on the force who could help to handle the situation in the correct manner.

What a shame for the music community of Buffalo, especially when we usually have to take ourselves, and our money, to Toronto to experience a festival of this kind.  The concert was scheduled as a welcome back event for college and university students. It was a bike-friendly event with a cook out and giant games of Scrabble and checkers were being played. Artists were brought in to paint landscape paintings of the buildings. The Buffalo Police saw none of this. Have you ever heard the expression, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely"?

The DJs were flown in from all over the country and most never even got to spin. It's ironic actually... all morning we thought that the rain was going to wash out the show.  Little did we know, that it was going to be the Buffalo Police Department that would rain on our parade.  Shame on them and shame on the people who gave them the orders to shut down the Silent Exchange music festival.

*Photos taken by a local business owner who prefers not to be mentioned by name and a nationally recognized journalist who just happened to be at the festival. 
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Must be the investors didn't grease the palm of the right people or hire the people that certain other people said had to be hired to work the show. Welcome to corrupt Buffalo! It all starts at the top of city hall with Byron Brown. I truly believe that the FBI needs to investigate City Hall from the top down.

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Nah, City Hall's observation deck is not the problem. The FBI needs to start from the bottom up - the mayor's office is on the 2nd floor.

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Buffalo, "Home of the overtaxed poor and land of the corrupt."

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this sounds insane. i went to a couple similar events at the yard last summer, and i can't imagine why the police would target such an event. please post an update if you find out any more information as to why the police took such drastic action.

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fcukin pig$

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Wow, this amazes me. They shut this down, with permits and all for a daytime event but do not enforce basic noise ordinances at night from bar patio's in residential area's. Solidifies yet another reason on a personal level that my move from Buffalo was not such a bad decision. To bad for the orgaizers after all the hard work I am sure they put into it, and shame on the police and a pretty pathetic group at City Hall.

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The encroachment of government into all areas of everyday life is unnerving (from the left or the right).

This is a lot like a building inspector nit picking a building owner that's trying (has permits), while ignoring the ownership of an empty and decaying property down the street. It's just easier than addressing real problems.

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Maybe the organizers have learned from this experience and next time they'll think ahead and donate to the local police charities and Mayor Brown's re-election campaign before having the nerve to try and do something positive in the city.

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I bet they read "electronic music" and figured it was a rave, and lord knows we can't have that.

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And the city proudly announced adding more members to their force at the Citizen Empowerment Conference on August 1st. What a great way to use the extra manpower...

I witnessed a similar incident while walking down Main Street the weekend of the Gus Macker tournament. About 10 adolescent boys were walking downtown (clearly on their way to the tournament) and were also harassed by two police officers displaying their Billy Clubs. All the young boys were doing was walking down a public street.

What a great way to retain youth in our community! Let's make them feel as unwelcome as possible!


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I was truly shocked to see this happen, especially since this event was tirelessly planned down to the last bureaucratic detail. It's this type of surprising harassment that makes me think twice about whether I should buy a house in Buffalo. Maybe I should wait 30 years until I retire (summering in cities that support my music) and then move to a cooler city with government that supports denizens who do the right thing while contributing to the arts and urban life.

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We showed up to the event @ 7pm only to see cop cars.
It's too bad, we were looking forward to this.

It's obvious to me that someone in city hall was not getting their cut.

And the beat goes on!
DO NOT vote for Byron Brown!

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Why is anyone shocked? Welcome to Obama's Fascist States of America--"This Ain't America No More!"
See the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIKPKjl0-pg

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Sure... blame Obama. Where were you 8 years ago when the government could listed in on your phone calls and e-mails without warrants??

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If Obama has to face a similar crisis as 9/11, the result will be 1000 times more intrusive than anything Bush/Cheney came up with. Afterall, he knows best. At least with BC, we knew the enemy we were fighting.

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Don't fool yourself in thinking that the government is any different under Obama. The government is still infringing on our rights to privacy, free speech, and assembly. Obama had the opportunity to reverse the covert spying on citizens that was instituted under Bush, but he chose not to repeal it. Obama is doing a lot of good things and so did Bush, and I hope beyond hope that he wind up with a better scorecard at the end of his term than Bush Jr. had when he ended his. Right now the jury is still out for me with Obama, and I was a strong supporter of his campaign and election.

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This has nothing to do with Obama. The BPD has done this stuff for years. It only got worse during the Bush Admin when citizens lost the ability criticize anyone with a uniform without being called anti-American in public.

Sure I would support the police, they have a tough job... one I certainly don't want... but the police in our region (not just Buffalo) are some of the worse.

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...now you're just unamerican/racist if you don't agree 100% with the president.

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Give me a break BenFranklin...

If you don't agree with Obama your racist?! How are you racist for disagreeing with him?

Is a black person racist for disagreeing with Bush? NO.

Quit using the race card to drown out Obama's critics.

Just join the civilian national security force and feel good pushing opponents round calling them racist and bigots for not licking boot.

It's Bush's 3rd term.

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mr_anderson... the problem is people like you who don't take the time to read something and just want to scream fascism.. socialism... You probably don't even know the difference between them. If you read benfranklins comments you can clearly see that he doesn't support Obama, just like you. Cool it dude! You'll get your crazy Palin in 7 years. Good luck with that! Let freedom ring!

And benfranlink regarding your "...now you're just unamerican/racist if you don't agree 100% with the president." statement. Where the hell where you for the past 8 years when everyone against the war or who spoke up against the president was truly seen as un-American and probably had the FBI listen in on their phone calls?

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My defense of the previous administration would be solely on the grounds that they were attempting to protect us from outside forces. Now we have a government that would like to be front and center in many more aspects of our lives.

I do see a parallel between individual citizens trying to accomplish something (like this event), and what seems to be an ever growing government boondoggle that wants us to behave in a certain way (do you have a permit for that?), but at the end of the day can't shoot straight (this event is over). A government that attempts to do too much does it at too a high a cost, and performs the task miserably.

Most here would say I'm stretching the point, but I think the answer would be pretty clear from the young people who attempted to hold this event. Do you think they'd like more or less government? We'd all be better off with less.

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Oh please.

No from your Socialism / Fascism / Palin comments I'm not a republican nor a democrat or Republicrat as it should be but politically neutral.

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that sounds kinda crazy

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What an absolute shame. Meghan has spent years in NYC and Berlin pulling together shows like this and Buffalo is lucky to have her here. I'll bet she's rethinking her move, and those DJs, their friends and the investors will never return. It's a sad day for the Queen City.

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A good shaming and reeducation is in order for the BPD. St. Patrick's Day festivities make perfect sense to them, but an electronic music gathering in an industrial area might be a bit too foreign.

Never Forget Green Lightning.

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and what does Mickey Kearns have to say about this???

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What a bunch of crap this is. A neighbor of mine gave me a very nicely done flier to the event. I was impressed with the quality and thought this may not be my cup of tea, but passed it on to my children (a little closer in age to the target demographic of the event) and encouraged them to go and check it out, and more importantly support an upincoming segment of the arts scene. I knew a lot of work went into this event and probably a bit of financial risk.

I was shocked to read this article. Without knowing the details, The organizers should find a lawyer and sue the city.

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Brown is killing the city! Kearns for Mayor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The Buffalo Police Dept is a joke! Good job Mr. McCarthy Gibson. These guys take advantage of their positions and hide behind the Blue Curtain. I am searching for a house in the city but have recently reconsidered.

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A complete shame but not unexpected from the completely incompetent BPD... They are a complete waste of time and money. I think it is time we fire all of them, from the patrolman to chief and start over...

How can you have respect for a police force that doesn't show respect for the people they are sworn to protect. I think we should all learn our rights and take a stand against this crap. How about we picket the police stations, demand to see the people who obviously refused to listen to reason and make a big deal about this. Call the buffalo news, anything to get the spot light on this problem. How can you honestly feel safe raising a family someplace where the cops show time and time again that even if you follow the law... you will be harassed.

Start with Brown, Steve Casey... Get them OUT of city hall. They have done nothing but pander to the police, give them new expensive toys and completely remove any accountability from the force.

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i'm sorry the buffalo police department wasn't handed money to let this event continue. should of had it at merlins then, when you know you won't get shut down because they are paying the police off so everyone can do lines off of the bathroom sink. is that the only way buffalo can have a music scene? paying these cops off to leave the musicians and artists alone. good job buffalo. keep crushing fun and creativity.

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D-District
669 Hertel Avenue
Buffalo, NY 14213

851-4413

Chief: Anthony Barba

Captains: Gregg Blosat, James ***an

Call to file a "Professional Standards Complaint"

tips@bpdny.org

this is the only email address i could find on their site. I think they should be asked to explain their actions.

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My neighbor called the police at 7:40 PM on Saturday to report someone looking into cars and trying door handles on our street. She was told that they would send a patrol out as soon as one was available and that she should lock the doors to her house and wait inside. It took the police 45 minutes to send a patrol to our street and when they showed up they expected her to come to the patrol car to discuss the complaint. I went out with her and a few other neighbors to discuss the amount of time it took to show up and the officer became very rude. She said that if we wanted better response time then we should have approved the vote for more officers. I don't remember that being on the ballot last November. I told her that next time we should just go out an confront the criminal ourselves and she said that this would be a bad idea and that we should always wait for the police. It didn't make sense. My neighbor who called in the complaint asked her how long it typically takes for th police to respond and she said that the Mayor has that information and that she wasn't allowed to comment about it. When my neighbor started to ask another question the officer said "look, I'm really busy here and I don't have time for every single question and complaint, if you don't like it then call the Mayor".


I am glad to see that there was a really serious crime in progress that the police had to repsond to. Keeping college kids from congregating while a homeless punk searches out yet another car steal or rob. This is why I am on my way to Amherst. I wish I could say that this will be the last time that the Buffalo Police let me down, but I know that it is not the case.

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If you are so concerned about criminals and police not responding, I suggest you go to 92 Franklin Street and apply for a pistol permit. This way, if anyone breaks into your house, just shoot them dead. You can then call the Buffalo Police and tell them not to hurry, take their time, but you just shot someone and they are lying dead on your kitchen floor. Here is all the information that you need:
http://www.erie.gov/depts/government/clerk/applications_permits_pistol.phtml

Don't be a victim!

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Already have one, and a shotgun from Dick's. I know better than to leave my house to confront someone on the street though. It is a different story if someone were to enter the house or put myself or my family in direct harm.

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BTW, it takes more than a year to get your permit. Start now.

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Yeah, then you'll just get arrested for defending yourself, sued by the family of the intruder, and your family will have to fend off retaliation attempts for the rest of their lives.

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Well I have heard some similar stories about police abuse in Amherst as well. It is a larger regional problem. Police are don't seem to remember that they are here to serve... the public. Not to rule the public.

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Police abuse happens everywhere, from LA to DC and all cities in between. I don't expect a lack of abuse from Amherst, but at least they will show up when called. The other difference is that the Amherst PD will arrest a suspect while the BPD often just detain in the car, question, then release a few blocks away. This practice shows a reduction in crime or arrests but does little for th people of Buffalo.

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If the BPD started making a lot more arrests, is there enough room in the Holding Center to put the arrested?

A big problem is the jails are full (some say overcrowded), which probably is a major reason city court all too often lets arrested people off with essentially no punishment anyway. Time spent arresting the same people over and over doesn't accomplish much unless it's a serious offence with very good evidence. Areas like Amherst can make arrests more often because proportionally there's so much fewer crimes reported there. (If any suburb haters want to believe Amherst's crime rate is similar to Buffalo's, they can but I'm not interested in arguing about it.)

Btw, I think your recent comments describe very well the crime problems in most of Buffalo. But I can't think of any near-term answers to lowering real crime rates here except to expand jails and be willing to lock up a lot more convicted people for a lot longer. That might also require more judges, prosecutors, guards, etc. But all that's unlikely to happen due to opposition from politicians.

Creative tactics loved by politicians such as bike patrols and neighborhood watch groups can have very localized impacts, but for the city as a whole those contribute to the shell game of moving crime among neighborhoods.

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Criminals know that the police won't arrest them for what is considered a lesser offense. Things like thefts from homes, cars, and yards, selling some drugs, fights, drunk in public, domestic arguments, and anything that has to do with kids under 18, are not taken seriously. The criminals know the deficiencies and take advantage of them. Cars on my street have been broken into almost weekly, yet there is little interest from the police. If I was to go outside and beat the kid who broke into my car, the police would be right there to charge me. If I was to shoot some little punk who is breaking into my house, then I would be on the news as the bad guy. A cop shot a kid on the east side who pulled a gun on him, and the world treated the kid as the victim. It is 3:00 AM and your 14 year old kid is out trying to rob someone at a gas station. This is not a misunderstood kid. This is a criminal! Put him away the first time and we don't have to worry about him. Better yet, hold the parents accountable. No we can't do that because they are just victims of poverty. They are all just victims of some unknown entity that keeps them from upholding the law like everyone else. The police endorse and enable this mentality by not responding and not arresting criminals. So my family suffers as a result. No one cares about the middle class family who is trying their best to make a better life but we are all concerned about the injustice to the snot nosed gang banger who tags up my neighbor's business or breaks into my neighbor's house.


The police need to stop making excuses and start doing the job that they are paid to do. The Amherst Police seem to be able to do that, the Erie County Sherrifs seems to be able to do that, so why can't the Buffalo Police?


I guess it is easier to harass some unarmed kids at a concert or a mentally challenged homeless person than it is to go after the real criminals. It is no wonder that the criminals are winning.

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I agree totally with your view favoring more arrests, serious prosecutions, and more jail for those convicted.

What I meant is I think unfortunately our view isn't shared by enough of a political/voter majority as would be needed to make that happen for expanded jails, more prosecutors, etc.

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Amherst Police MUST LIVE IN AMHERST, as citizens of their community they are more involved, accountable, and less likely to act like a jerk when dealing with people that may be their neighbor.
That said, there is no comparison, Amherst has none of the serious poverty and blight that Buffalo must deal with.

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Aren't all of the county's criminals held in the same location, the Erie County Holding Center. I didn't municipalities had individual jails.

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Sean, What I meant was for the Amherst PD to arrest a higher portion of their potential arrestees has less impact on the shared Erie Co Holding Center than if the BPD started arresting a lot more here. That's simply because so many more crimes happen in Buffalo, proportionately. That's presuming by far most residents of county jail residents committed crimes in Buffalo, not the burbs, which sounds like a safe bet.

To be clear: it's fine with me if the BPD starts making arrests at the same rate as Amherst does. However, if we believe what we read in the Buffalo News about county jails being full or overcrowded, then wouldn't doing that just greatly add to the problem in the Holding Center? And following convictions and sentencing (when city court judges give jail terms) wouldn't it also encounter space issues at the County Jail in Alden?

As private citizens it's easy for us to ignore those details, but they're real issues and won't go away by themselves.

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Do you think it is a coincidence that Buffalo has the most poverty and the most crime? Wouldn't it make more sense to address the root cause of poverty than to attack the symptom of crime? Not saying we shouldn't lock up the dangerous criminals, just that we need to start looking for a long term solution, the present plan ain't working.

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I agree it need not be either-or. A policy change to imprison more convicted criminals could easily coexist with govt efforts to reduce poverty. The former is unlikely due to the politics here, but is what would be needed instead of feel-good gimmicks for publicly popular policing methods. The latter is unlikely to succeed, but they'll keep spending and trying.

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I know for a fact that the Town of Tonawanda has a jail at it's Sheridan Drive headquarters.

I can't speak for the rest of the towns.

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I could be wrong but I think small lock-ups towns have are used mostly for relatively minor crimes handled by town judges or for very short term stays (shoplifting, DUI, etc). For more serious crimes handled by county judges, or for longer stays, I think towns usually transfer prisoners to the county Holding Center.

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i use to work for a swimming pool in the city which had trouble with gang activity. When ever we had a serious problem, it usually took between 45 minutes to 2 hours for the police to show up.


there was a station 4 blocks away.

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Headlines should read: Buffalo police put to good use foiling a shooting on east side! BUT NO not under Tyrant Brown,Buffalo cops are busy harassing new college students and stopping invest in BFLO!

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If the event complied with a city permit, then regardless of any noise complaints it sounds like the police ignored the last sentence of Section 4-A in the noise ordinance:

http://www.bpdny.org/Home/Community/QualityofLife
"Section 4:
The following acts and the causes thereof are declared to be in violation of this chapter and to constitute unreasonable noise:
A. The use of any sound-reproduction device outside a structure either on private property or on a public right-of-way or public space at any time within the residential areas or within the commercial areas which by causing noise, annoys or disturbs the quiet, comfort or repose of a reasonable person of normal sensitivities. This provision shall not be construed to prohibit public performances being conducted in accordance with the provisions of a special permit granted by the city."

The permit holder should file a formal complaint with the BPD. That can be at District D as Arch's comment mentions, or through the Professional Standards Division or Police Commissioner as decribed here:
http://www.bpdny.org/Home/Services/ProfessionalStandardsDivision/ComplaintProcess

Also a request/demand should be made from City Hall for a refund of the event permit fee if the permit was disregarded by the police.

And the North District's full-time Common Council member,
Joe Golombek, 851-5116,
jgolombek@city-buffalo.com
should be asked to personally assist with following up the police complaint, supporting the the permit refund, and having the incident examined by the council's Police Oversight Committee.

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Have had mixed experiences with the BPD, some seem dedicated and decent, others act more like an occupying force and treat us like we are all inmates here in Buffalo. Residency requirements would help change this attitude as well as bring a police presence to our neighborhoods.
The big question here is who sent them? would like to know how and why they felt the need to break up this legal concert.

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I fear a residency requirement would only serve to diminish the police force further.

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Then why does virtually every suburb require residency for police officers? Time for Buffalo residents to demand and receive the same protection as our neighbors.

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The residency requirements work fine in the suburbs because there's a much higher supply of people who want to live and work there.

It's already like pulling teeth just to get people to think of living in the city, and no-one wants to be a cop there.

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I see, we should just roll over and accept second class status and then wonder why nothing ever changes.
There are plenty of applicants interested in joining the BPD, residency would weed out those without the committment and heart to serve our city.

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I don't think it's a matter of accepting "2nd class status" as much as it is a matter of accepting "reality".

I think you're getting the wrong impression here. Would I prefer that Buffalo cops lived in Buffalo? YES! Absolutely.

However, didn't they just drop the residency requirement for "high need" teachers in Buffalo because they were having such a hard time finding quality teachers to fill positions? How is the police force going to be any easier to fill out with residents?

If you shrink the pool of potential candidates, then you proportionately shrink the pool of quality candidates.

Baby steps here. You can't put the cart before the horse.

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Also might be good to notify council member David Rivera about all this because apparently he's a member of the Police Oversight Committee according to this:
http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/files/1_2_1/CommitteeMeetings/Meetings2008/x9-Policeoversight.pdf

The other committee members apparently are Davis (chair), Smith, Fontana, and Russell.

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The odd thing was...the very next day (yesterday, there was another music event there and I didn't see any police busting up that gathering. Very odd!

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I recently called regarding a domestic dispute and it took them THREE HOURS to send someone to my house. I wonder how long it would take if I just hung up when the 911 operator answered.

The fact that the organizers of this event were given no reason for breaking it up is ridiculous. File a complaint and follow up!

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This is intolerable behavior. Then again the Country has been becoming more of a police state over the last decade or so. Amazing that they target the least of worries while whole neighborhoods continue to be enveloped in gang warfare, etc. This is not unlike the police presence at the Canisius College party a year or so back.

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This comes from a city that only hires police officers from within. You have to have pre-established residency to apply and get a job offer in the BPD from what I have heard. Would it be sane to believe that some outside talent from elsewhere would literally uproot, move to Buffalo city proper just to be able to apply and maybe get a police job there? Thats insanity. So much for hiring out of town or neighboring town talent even, so much for hiring the best and brightest. A good system to hire ones friends and family, maintain an extremely insulated view and not bring in outside ideas.

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Was there underage drinking?
These events with alcohol should be 21 and over.

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Why? There are music oriented events festivals every single weekend with alcohol that are not 21+. Thursday at the square is probably a perfect example.

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rb- the event was an 18 plus event. With a strict drinking policy in effect. The age range in attendance was WIDE and exactly what we were going for. The age range was 19 to 70 years old. This was not a threatening, disturbing crowd in any form.

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in wny, it seems that many venues that have shows are either 16+ or 18+, such as mohawk place, soundlab, town ballroom, etc. those places are well within their rights to have underaged kids attend the show. if you're going to make every event that has alcohol consumption 21+, you'd better be carding at bills and sabres games too.

considering how isolated the yard is, i would be shocked if a noise complaint shut down the show, which is why i'm so curious about the reason the 5-O showed up.

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I helped Meg with this event the past 4 months, I have to say Lt Quinn (who shut the party down) was very unreasonable. We asked what decibel level to abide by, or how we can work to make the police dept happy. They would not work with us. We BEGGED them to let us move the event into the warehouse. Lt. Quinn refused to consider the request. I was hoping this event would go smoothly so Meg could stay here in Buffalo, and implement more of her great ideas.

I am embarrassed and disgusted with the city of buffalo and the buffalo police department.

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No that's not why it was shut down. If only the reason were that clear...

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What was the real reason?

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get an f'n grip people.. neighborhoods "engulfed in gang warfare" .. police treating us like inmates? ... expand the jails and lock people up longer?


what does the "crime problem" in Buffalo even have to do with this story other than allow you all to vent your coded distrust of the people you (reluctantly) share this city with.


a bourgie techno party got broken up and you're acting like its the end of cultural life as we know it..


have fun in Amherst I heard its really hip there

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Why was it shut down?
What did the police say the reason was?
If I was the organizer I would seriously consider a lawsuit against the city.

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somebody obviously doesn't know their rights....KNOW YOUR RIGHTS!!!! DON'T SUBMIT TO POLICE BRUTALITY!

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and who was brutalized?


please think about how your post is relevant to the reality of the situation before clicking submit.

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alright Tyranny_Saurus, you win the semantics prize. Please forgive the deficit in my vernacular. I will amend my statement to "know your rights" and "tell the promoter to file a formal complaint with the city"
The world is now a better place, thanks to "Tyranny_Saurus"

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I see what you did there... cheeky


doesn't seem like you suffer from a deficit in vernacular as much as you like to type in caps and distort reality, how dramatic

i.e. police brutality had NOTHING to do with this entire happening, you shouldn't just toss that word around, as people who have actually been subjected to it would laugh in your face at the comparison you've made .. equating a bunch of kids having their party shut down with some violent usurpation of personhood


jog on

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This behavior is truly abominable! As a participant in Saturdays festival, and seeing firsthand how such effort, passion and talent can be wasted in only a matter of minutes, is absolutely repugnant. As a twenty something, having moved back here not so long ago myself, it makes me wonder - is this the quality life...the city of good neighbors.. that I was missing??

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"Why did the Buffalo Police Force (D-District) decide to shut down a concert with fifty people in attendance? Nobody seems to know."

If I was a quasi-journalist, I would call the Police and ask them. As usual, there is no mention of whether or not you simply asked the Police Captain after the fact. I'm no fan of police abuse, but come on, any episode of Judge Judy would learn ya that ya gotta come with some proof.

I would think you would have learned something from "James the Dreamcycle Dude" who turned out to be a flip flopped scofflaw in Buffalo AND Kenmore! His employee was NOT within the legal area at Thursday in the Square, but that fact didn't much matter when you ran a story and erroneously trashed Buffalo Place without any independent verification of your allegations. Come'on Newell, you're better than this sensational nonsense.

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Paul, we have all been in contact with the police. the day of the event and every day since, and we get the run around. it is a fact that "nobody seems to know".

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And for the record, I hear that there were no official complaints filed with Buffalo Police. Apparently, Councilman Golombek claims that neighbors called him directly instead of calling the Police. Have you ever heard of anyone calling their councilmember directly for a noise complaint - especially on a Saturday afternoon? Does that mean that a councilman called the police?? ..Something is rotten in the state of Denmark..

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He doesn't respond to any other complaint from residents, why would he decide to start with this one? The residents who called him would either have to be really close to him or there would have to be many of them who would have to invite him out to the scene for him to witness what is happening himself.


My guess is that one of the neighbors who opose the new student housing proposed for the building tipped him off that there was a concert in progress. Golombek has been playing both sides of the fence on the project and may have used the police to placate some of our more outspoken neighbors.

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who would be opposed to student housing in a converted abandoned warehouse surrounded by industrial wasteland?

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1.) People who are jealous that it wasn't their vacant property that was bought for the project.

2.) The same people who oppose every other redevelopment project ever proposed in Buffalo.

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What neighbors? there are none, and I know of no opposition to this project.

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that was my point, but "similitude" said...

"My guess is that one of the neighbors who opose the new student housing proposed for the building tipped him off that there was a concert in progress."

which i hope is a joke, considering the fact i ride my bike by there frequenctly and there are no neighbors...

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Thanks Paul. I know how you hate to be left out of the controversial loop! I guess you’ll just have to be patient and follow BRO for the updates.

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According to the map, it's about 3000 feet from there to where I was on Saturday, and it could be faintly heard. We thought it was something on Elmwood. Maybe people in the Bradley/Dart area didn't like electronic music, but the permit should have kept the police away. Were there unlicensed chickens at The Lot? Quick, get the cops!

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People still live in the Bradley/Dart area?

Last time I went through there it looked like a ghost town.

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Police just don't show up and shut down permitted events for no reason. Clearly we don't have the whole story and inside knowledge. I agree it seems odd and unjust but this story is so one sided how can anyone within reason make a judgment? Furthermore what the heck does Obama or even Mayor brown have to do with this? I doubt B Brown knew anything about it, I mean afterall there was no podium or ribbon to cut. All jokes aside some of these comments are really offbase. More than likely one of the organizers burned the wrong bridge somehow (not that it justifies this), but I'd wait to get the whole story first.

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as the assistant to the event organizer i can tell you, you pretty much have the whole story. we are still searching for answers ourselves. however the finger is starting to point to JoeGolombek. We have no problems with anybody. There was a lot of money invested in this and Meg wanted to make sure everything was done by the book.

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The fact that we might need 'inside knowledge' to understand police action is not acceptable. If a permit is worthless, why have the boondongle of permits in the first place?

How do you invest in a city when the investment can be turned to zero, and know one seems to care? I've never, ever been in favor of taking legal action... but in this case it seems warranted.

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One more thing, I think it's a little ironic that this is a Buffalo Police bashing story but just two posts away on BRO is a story for the Buffalo Fire Department asking for donations. It just shows this post was written in haste after a bad experience at a concert. Next time cool your jets and try to get both sides before getting everyone to rally against the cops.

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that's what i was trying to say.

and i raise another challenge....if there was indeed police misdeeds, then i hope all of you habitual typists will step away from your flat screens long enough to stage an effective protest, and then resolve to stick with your complaint until justice is done.

what am i saying? this is what happens when i spend too much time on this sight.... my brain goes all soft and gooey.

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Then leave. And stay lost.

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Was thinking of traveling to Buffalo this weekend for the wing fest,not anymore not after seeing this.Hey buffalo P.d. my ohio dollars are staying here no revenue for you.

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Yes. Cancel your plans. That will show 'em. It's a well known fact that the BPD salaries are financed directly from labor-day chicken wing sales...

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lol. true say!

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HEY, what gives? When I post anything negative about the goings on in this town I am accused of scaring off multi-million dollar investors, or offending loyal ex-pats in the Carolinas...who is going to make up for the vast unrealized Ohioan revenue caused by this post?

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Attica! Attica! Attica!

More politcal thuggery by the BPD. Naturally, the real story will be supressed until it's forgotten.

No mention in the Buffalo Snooze - What a surprise!

Citizens of Buffalo, stand up for your rights! The next gathering should be for frustrated people who are ready to call for the ouster of these corrupt bums in City Hall, etc. Oh wait, we'd need a permit for that.

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I just called Golombek's office wondering what the heck happened. Give 'em a call...let them know that you are watching. The squeaky wheel does get the grease.

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Seems like a great opportunity to create a BR shirt to sell with the title logo of this story. Maybe a Buffalo MisUse shirt as well, create the shirts around the traffic posts and sell through/in your articlea, co'mon Newell. Think business

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What a shame.
KEARNS.FOR.MAYOR!

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People can try to politicze anything they want to, but that doesn't mean there's a logcal basis for it. The police union voted strongly to endorse Kearns, not Brown. It's possible whoever decided to shut down this event might be a supporter of Kearns, Brown, or neither.

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Hope they don't shut down Music is Art too.

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50 kids get kicked out of a free concert. Now that is news we need.

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This is a blatant violation of property rights and the 4th amendment. Let's not even bring up profiling and harassment. Those cops pulled a patrol car through the gate like they owned the place.

I'm happy to see all of the comments. Keep them coming.

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Not sure if they had a music AND dance permit butttttttt... I can only guess but I assume someone mouthed off to the cops and they shut it down. In to which I would say "Welcome to anywheresville real life were when it comes to the cops you drop the attitude and show respect and do what they say." Legality and common sense depending.

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music and dance permit? they exist? not to my knowledge. I wouldn't be surprised, considering you need a permit to wipe your ass in this city. The point here is all permits were in place and they shut it down anyway. the event creator meg, the investors, and myself were the ones who tried to reason with the police with all the respect in the would.

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it is my understanding you need "music permit" if you're a venue that regularly hosts music events. you need a "dance permit" if you function as a chippewa-esque dance club. if you have special events permits, you probably should be fine, but the language is vague enough in a lot of these codes that the city can kind of do whatever it feels like, unless you have the resources to sue them.

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One thing no one has said is whether or not the cops were shown the permit or if it was posted somewhere where it could be seen. Another thing that this story is lacking is contact with the permits department to see if they did issue a permit and then contact with Blosatt at D District for a statement. As far as politicizing, get a freakin' life. This stuff has been happening for years.

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all permits were posted, and copies were provided to police. the told us that the permits have been revoked. Cheif Anthony Barba from D district is apparently out of town.

If you check the city of buffalo website Silent Exchange is a city approved event under upcoming special events

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Email one of the Buffalo News reporters who writes stories in the "City & Region" section... send them the link to this story. They can't just push this story under the rug.

Matt Gryta
NEWS STAFF REPORTER
mgryta@buffnews.com

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According to the Buffalo Police the Silent Exchange Festival wasn't so silent after all---
“There were numerous noise complaints from neighbors,” said Michael J. DeGeorge, Buffalo police spokesman. “Many of these complaints went to Council Member Joseph Golombek’s house Saturday afternoon and evening.”

DeGeorge said police paid the two earlier visits and warned organizers that if they had to return a third time there “was a good chance they would have to shut down the event.”

“I think [Mann’s] heart was in the right place. She meant well and tried to do good,” De- George said, “but they misunderstood that just because you have a permit, doesn’t mean you have carte blanche.”

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Its DeGeorges Job to defend the police, he is their spokesmen. However, after meeting with commissioner Gipson the event organizers were told there were no calls they were aware of to 911. Since when is your council member police dispatch? I would not call my councilmen unless the police failed to protect. After the event organizers talked to Golumbek, he could not provide any legitimate complaints. this is why this is being investigated. The event organizers suspect foul play.

As far as the police, the music was cut by half when the event was visited, event organizers asked over and over again what is a reasonable sound. Lt Quinn could not provide that answer, and whoever gave him the order had already made up his mind to shut the event down.

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You say cut by half? From the News linked by peripatetic: "Still, the event attracted the attention of law enforcement at 1, 3:30 and then again at 7 p. m., when Northwest District police shut it down."

If the first complaint was 1pm, does that mean it started at noon? If it was planned to be from noon to 10, and they stopped it at 7, that's being cut by 30% after allowing 70% of it to happen. That's not cutting by half.

Still, it sounds like there are real problems about what the police did. The police spokesman is quoted saying "they misunderstood that just because you have a permit, doesn’t mean you have carte blanche."

However, the city noise ordinance stated on the BPD web site I linked yesterday says at the end:
"This provision shall not be construed to prohibit public performances being conducted in accordance with the provisions of a special permit granted by the city."

That wording sure sounds like carte blanche. There's too much left to interpretation. Police don't shut down Rockin at the Knox even though that's louder for a lot more residents.

Probably the common council should modify the ordinance to make it less vague. Maybe it should specify some level of decibels some distance away from a permitted event. Maybe there'd be different levels of permit where some outdoor music events aren't allowed to go past 7pm and others could be - but that should be decided at permitting time and spelled out clearly on the permit, not arbitrarily decided by police during an event as happened to you. You're right to be angry about the whole thing.

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I am sorry I should have been more clear... the SOUND was cut by half when Lt. Quinn arrived and notified us it was too loud. We cut it down by half, and asked the Lieutenant if it was a reasonable level, he responded sounds fine to me, but if i get more complaints its over.

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The initial complaint phone call to Golombek's office seems odd, but equally suspicious is his apparent ability to get police action without leaving a trail. Do multiple police cars move on the whim of a councilman?

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after meg and I met with golumbek today, he can provide no proof that complaints were made to his home. Commissioner gipson told us he had no calls to 911 that he was aware of and to his knowledge the only complaints went to councilman golumbeks house.

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If you talk with either of them again, you should direct Gipson and Golombek to the ordinance shown on the city web site and ask them what's their interpretation of the line "This provision shall not be construed to prohibit public performances being conducted in accordance with the provisions of a special permit granted by the city."

That doesn't say neighbors, council members, or the police have legal veto power over issued permits.

http://www.bpdny.org/Home/Community/QualityofLife
"Section 4:
The following acts and the causes thereof are declared to be in violation of this chapter and to constitute unreasonable noise:
A. The use of any sound-reproduction device outside a structure either on private property or on a public right-of-way or public space at any time within the residential areas or within the commercial areas which by causing noise, annoys or disturbs the quiet, comfort or repose of a reasonable person of normal sensitivities. This provision shall not be construed to prohibit public performances being conducted in accordance with the provisions of a special permit granted by the city."

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this was brought to Joe Golumbeks attention and he could not provide an answer for us.

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Good that you showed that wording to him, and hopefully it can also help you by pointing it out to a judge if you pursue a court case. It would be nice if Golombek was at least a little embarrassed to read it.

Honestly this doesn't sound to me like a shady grand conspiracy - more like dumb judgement and power tripping by Golombek and Quinn, both of whom should've known better.

To make amends, they should apologize (that won't happen of course). More important Golombek should work to improve the event permitting policy so there's a clearly stated reasonable level of decibels instead of leaving it up to arbitrary decisions by police.

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look for the silent exchange story tonight on channel 7 @ 5 and 6 pm

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Did Joe Golombek say that nobody called him, or that he had no proof somebody called him? What would constitute proof of a phone call to one's home ?

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he kept saying his machine was full of complaints. why would you erase them? beside all of that, he said people in his community came to the event to try and talk to organizers and where ignored. that i can promise you is not the case. we tried over and over to reason with police and we would have respected anyone who came to us with a concern. this event was for the people of buffalo after all. bottom line here... where the hell are the neighbors? according to golumbek complaints came from Bradley, and Danforth streets over 1300 feet away. Any sounds people out the know how many decibels it would take to rattle windows from 1300 feet away?

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Probably as many decibels as needed to reach almost 3/4 mile away, where I heard it all afternoon. It must have been ear-killing, up close.

Are we saying that nobody complained, there were no calls, and the police were responding to a divine premonition that there was a problem?

Btw, continuing to misspell Mr.Golombek's name is just plain insulting. You should be happy to have this publicity, after your event drew a paltry 50.

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"it must have been ear-killing, up close." coulda, woulda, shoulda- you have very strong opinions for someone that was not there. tell me were your windows rattling?


my bad for the spelling, i apologize. We are saying there are no proof of complaints. The police state they have no calls through 911 dispatch, and the only complaints had were to Golombek's home. Not his office his home. We were told concerned residents disrupted by the event approached event organizers, it was a lie. We reached out to two people that head a block club and were hung up on. None of the so called complaints hold any water. I do not know how many people in this city have their councilman's home phone number, I sure do not. There is something not right here. Chain of command is way off. I call the police when I have a problem. If the police do not do anything then I take further action.


Clearly you are one of the people who had an issue with this event, so why don't you step up and help organizers make sure we can avoid any future problems?

and whats with the low blow about people in attendance ? its very unnecessary and shows exactly the kind of attitude we are dealing with. Im willing to forget about your childish statement if you make the effort to discuss what exactly you had against this event and help make sure we can avoid this in future events.

spell check complete!

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Don't blame me for complaining - I didn't, and wrote here that I'm about 3/4 of a mile away, so of course my windows were not "raddling". I was only saying that your speakers could be heard this far away. We neither knew nor cared where it originated, but guessed it was an event on Grant. The family consensus was: "annoying, but that's life in the big city".

I wish you luck (really) getting satisfaction from the City officials; it'll be interesting.

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Amazing that people whine about live music while living next to the daily roar of the Thruway. I live about 2-3 blocks from this site and I have never been disturbed by loud music. I am glad to see Rock Harbor bringing people to the neighborhood and hope this doesn't affect future events.

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First Off I would like to thank everyone from the bottom of my heart for all the support before, during, and after this event. I do not in any way shape or form see this event as a fail. Silent Exchange was worked on for four months to make sure everything was as organized and by the book legal as possible so these problems would not occur. And I can say it was. If this event was taking place in a residencial neighborhood I would have made proper promotion in the area to make sure the residents new. This was not the case. The outdoor entertainment space is on a industrial property where the owner owns 5 acres of land. Would I really think I would have had any noise complaints, not in mine or anyone else doing an event on this properties right mind.

This event was something I wanted to do for Buffalo to share what I have experienced over the past few years between nyc and berlin. Bring Music I can find here close to never open up a door to a new experience and new event in buffalo. I do not plan to stop doing these events, and encourage those who have replied saying this makes them want to leave, stop doing this or that ...that you shouldn't. That's how a city dies. We are all creating this city together and if you abandon it you let them win. In this case I can honestly say there "power" was misused. Until a name was dropped, media was brought up I wouldn't get a meeting with anyone. Its sad. Really Sad.

It was also brought up that maybe the people in that neighborhood weren't ready for this type of event/music so should I be punished because some people are miserable as a few people said in these meetings and close minded to new things? (I will not name names)
I think thats discrimination. And not to mention peoples typical response to electronic music usually has a negative impression in their mind I was trying to shed a new light on it for the community.....Soul Clap was playing re-edits they did for a new wolf and lamb ep of michael jackson, paul simon, steve nicks...i mean come on.,

Of course I am sad this happen frustrated of the lack of any reasonable answers or proof for that matter and sorry to those I "raddled there windows" which I would like to let everyone know we will re-enact the sound of this event for legal purposes to prove this is just not the case. We were at 94 decibals at the back of the venue which runs along the Scajaquada doesn't that make enough noise in itself?

I would not have risked that much if i thought this was at all possible....Maybe its my fault for thinking buffalo was ready for this type of event? But then I think no you are. But its up to you to open yourself up or not. People assume, judge, and make comments without any knowledge and shut things off immediatly and these are usually the people that complain they have nothing to do. Well one of my favorite sayings said to me by a friend a few months back is "your ability is your duty". This was my case I saw I had the ability to do something so it was my duty to pursue it.

It's not like I was paid to do this I spent hundreds of hours on working on this event and thats not event the hours put in by Dino who helped me supported me throughout the past four months, he wanted to see this succeed just as much as me for the love of Buffalo. I mean come on Dino has a tatoo of City Hall with Buffalo under it....He wants to see Buffalo have a positive light ....

Bottom Line is. There is no proof no messages saved on Joe's machine, no 911 calls that are on records. And from the meeting today Joe even second guessed that the cops were sent to the right event! Accordings to City Hall there were 6+ events going on that day I will be finding out exact locations to determine if this could have been the case. All meeting I have had do say they are deeply sorry, and they would have handled things differently.

We did everything 100% right. I had a demographic of 18 to 70's there. This was not a wild out of control young crowd I would say half the people there were above 28.

There is no other side of the story I have MANY witnesses, and joe was offered to have the media in on our meeting he denied if there was another side to this why won't anyone allow our meetings to be sat in on. I have nothing to hide....These other festivals events the city has with all permits in tact they want me to think that there are no complaints...would they ever shut down the elmwood art festival? allentown? italian festival got noise complaints absolutely not. Aren't these in 100% residencial areas.?

I can go on forever so many things to say......we will be taking legal actions against the city. This was not a low budget event, we really went all out for you all.

And shady business all the way around on the city's end "OFF THE RECORD"

again thank you all for the support. I am sorry to those I apparently disrupted, we will be checking on that sound with a lawyer soon. A positive event taking place in your neighborhood probably the most positive you have seen in a long time. not the last time either. I encourage you to read http://silentexchange.blogspot.com try to see what this event was actually about.

Silent Exchange will happen again. Sorry no spell check on this one im far to tired.

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One of the festivals you mention started out the first year with just a few kids having a parade around a building. The second year a couple got married, and the parade got a little larger. Each year it got a little bigger. Now it's the Allentown Art Festival.

Most people aren't aware of all the effort that goes into any worthwhile project. You obviously have a passion for something (this type of project), so regardless of the crowd size (at this first effort), or whether or not 90% of us don't fully understand what you're up to, the effort and the event broaden the experience that someone can have in WNY. For that you should be thanked, not told to disperse.

Use the coverage you may get to focus on the fact that you had valid permits, and that you were shut down anyway. That rings of something wrong to everyone. Stick to that message. Getting into the details of who complained makes it a pissing match, which may get you dollars in a courtroom, but it won't win you support in the court of public opinion.

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This something I was trying to say. Ben said it better:

"focus on the fact that you had valid permits, and that you were shut down anyway. ...Getting into the details of who complained makes it a pissing match"

You'll never be able to prove he didn't get complaints or where they did or didn't come from, so yes that part will sound like a pissing match.

But it shouldn't have mattered even if there were real complaints. Neighbors have a free speech right to complain all they want and for any motive they want. But your permit gave your event valid legal permission. That shouldn't have been forcibly canceled without a very good and clear reason no matter who may have complained or why.

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Sue the complaining neighbors who damaged your event by their misuse of police resources. The cops can also get money from these scumbags for that very same cause. Identify who these people are and serve them. The only way to shut up nosy and noxious neighbors is to sue :)

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In my day we would have refused to shut down & leave. Tension would have escalated bringing national news attention to the situation. Some would have spent the night in jail. But there would have been investigations, & hearings. People would have been forced to resign or get fired. They prefer your passive approach of just posting about it on a local site, because it will get you nowhere. If you had all the legal permits & permissions, no law was being broken. Refusing a reasonable request of an officer is not valid here. You were legal, & investors had invested in the event. It is not illegal to refuse an unreasonable request of an officer, which would have been the case here. If they arrest or hurt you, you can sue them & possibly have them sent to jail. Next time refuse unreasonable requests, & have witnesses so it gets on the national news.

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