City August 31, 2009 12:09 AM

"Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"

“Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely”
For anyone who attended the Silent Exchange electronic music festival at The Yard on Saturday, I am sorry that you had to witness Buffalo's Men in Blue in such a sorry state. As fifty young music fans stood around watching a DJ spin on stage, Buffalo Police filed onto private property and threatened the crowd to disband or pay the consequences. Despite the fact that the proper permits had been filed with City Hall, that would allow the music to go on until 10pm, Buffalo Police would not listen to reason, only resorting to 'police state' tactics as the young music fans looked on in bewilderment .

One of the reasons that The Yard was chosen for the event was that it is widely known that the bandshell at LaSalle Park is next to impossible to book unless you have an 'in' with The City. So that means that the only other alternative when it comes to holding a concert at a permanent outdoor music festival is The Yard. The Yard is not in a residential neighborhood. Nor is it in a commercial neighborhood. It's located in an abandoned industrial area surrounded by nothing and no one. Maybe sometime in the future this might be inhabited by college students, but that's just not the case at this point in time. So how do the police claim that there was a noise complaint, especially since the music could not be heard until you turned the corner of the building and actually saw the stage?

Why did the Buffalo Police Force (D-District) decide to shut down a concert with fifty people in attendance? Nobody seems to know. The organizers had all of their permits in place. When filing for these permits, the organizers duly notified the police jurisdiction, so that the authorities were well aware of the event. There was even a rent a cop at the door checking IDs. It was in broad daylight when a slew of police cars showed up to raid the event and shut it down. Young and old people stood watching in amazement as the police officers got out of their cars with Billy Clubs in their hands demanding that everyone vacate the premise. I've never seen anything like it, and am still mind boggled as to what happened and why.

It is a true travesty to have experienced such blatant intolerance over the weekend.  Especially when all that the promoters were trying to do was to shine a positive spotlight on a part of Buffalo that needs a lot of help. What better way to do that than encourage creative young people and social entrepreneurs to help take part in the city's renaissance? There was no out of control crowd, or behavior, that should have prompted a cavalcade of no less than eight police cars to show up when they did.  

It should also be noted that this was not the first time that they had checked on the premises.  Throughout the day the police continued to pay a visit to The Yard feigning any knowledge that a legitimate show was underway. Each time they arrived they were assured that all of the appropriate measures had been followed and nobody was being bothered. The promoter went out of her way to find a location In Black Rock that would not upset or offend anyone. Wouldn't you think that there would be more pressing issues to be fought by the police rather than breaking up a music festival? If these are the types of pressing matters that the Buffalo Police are combating, then maybe we should be more afraid of their devotion to non-threatening issues, especially when gang violence should be a high priority. Obviously in this case they would rather spend their time harassing the people who are trying to do good things for the city than fight real crime.

The two primary investors in the show, who are based out of Manhattan, throw festivals mostly in cities such as Miami, Los Angeles, and New York.  Next month, they are even focusing their efforts on the scene in Brazil.  Therefore, Buffalo, was a new experience  for them, and one that wouldn't have been on their radar, if not for the tireless work of a local promoter, (who just moved back to Buffalo - welcome back from the Buffalo police force).  All three were extremely happy with the Buffalonians who were there to hear the caliber of music that the DJs were spinning.

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The cops could not have picked a worse time to start their harassment (is there ever a good time?) And the harassment continued until they got what they came for - locking people inside the gates while locking others out. In talking with the investors, as the police proceeded in closing down the show, they were already writing Buffalo off of their radar, and for good reason in my opinion.  Considering how everyone's time and money was just throw away in a matter of minutes, without so much as an explanation, or being given a name of a higher up on the force who could help to handle the situation in the correct manner.

What a shame for the music community of Buffalo, especially when we usually have to take ourselves, and our money, to Toronto to experience a festival of this kind.  The concert was scheduled as a welcome back event for college and university students. It was a bike-friendly event with a cook out and giant games of Scrabble and checkers were being played. Artists were brought in to paint landscape paintings of the buildings. The Buffalo Police saw none of this. Have you ever heard the expression, "Absolute power corrupts absolutely"?

The DJs were flown in from all over the country and most never even got to spin. It's ironic actually... all morning we thought that the rain was going to wash out the show.  Little did we know, that it was going to be the Buffalo Police Department that would rain on our parade.  Shame on them and shame on the people who gave them the orders to shut down the Silent Exchange music festival.

*Photos taken by a local business owner who prefers not to be mentioned by name and a nationally recognized journalist who just happened to be at the festival. 
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Must be the investors didn't grease the palm of the right people or hire the people that certain other people said had to be hired to work the show. Welcome to corrupt Buffalo! It all starts at the top of city hall with Byron Brown. I truly believe that the FBI needs to investigate City Hall from the top down.

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Nah, City Hall's observation deck is not the problem. The FBI needs to start from the bottom up - the mayor's office is on the 2nd floor.

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Buffalo, "Home of the overtaxed poor and land of the corrupt."

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this sounds insane. i went to a couple similar events at the yard last summer, and i can't imagine why the police would target such an event. please post an update if you find out any more information as to why the police took such drastic action.

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fcukin pig$

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Wow, this amazes me. They shut this down, with permits and all for a daytime event but do not enforce basic noise ordinances at night from bar patio's in residential area's. Solidifies yet another reason on a personal level that my move from Buffalo was not such a bad decision. To bad for the orgaizers after all the hard work I am sure they put into it, and shame on the police and a pretty pathetic group at City Hall.

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The encroachment of government into all areas of everyday life is unnerving (from the left or the right).

This is a lot like a building inspector nit picking a building owner that's trying (has permits), while ignoring the ownership of an empty and decaying property down the street. It's just easier than addressing real problems.

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Maybe the organizers have learned from this experience and next time they'll think ahead and donate to the local police charities and Mayor Brown's re-election campaign before having the nerve to try and do something positive in the city.

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I bet they read "electronic music" and figured it was a rave, and lord knows we can't have that.

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And the city proudly announced adding more members to their force at the Citizen Empowerment Conference on August 1st. What a great way to use the extra manpower...

I witnessed a similar incident while walking down Main Street the weekend of the Gus Macker tournament. About 10 adolescent boys were walking downtown (clearly on their way to the tournament) and were also harassed by two police officers displaying their Billy Clubs. All the young boys were doing was walking down a public street.

What a great way to retain youth in our community! Let's make them feel as unwelcome as possible!


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I was truly shocked to see this happen, especially since this event was tirelessly planned down to the last bureaucratic detail. It's this type of surprising harassment that makes me think twice about whether I should buy a house in Buffalo. Maybe I should wait 30 years until I retire (summering in cities that support my music) and then move to a cooler city with government that supports denizens who do the right thing while contributing to the arts and urban life.

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We showed up to the event @ 7pm only to see cop cars.
It's too bad, we were looking forward to this.

It's obvious to me that someone in city hall was not getting their cut.

And the beat goes on!
DO NOT vote for Byron Brown!

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Why is anyone shocked? Welcome to Obama's Fascist States of America--"This Ain't America No More!"
See the following:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIKPKjl0-pg

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Sure... blame Obama. Where were you 8 years ago when the government could listed in on your phone calls and e-mails without warrants??

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If Obama has to face a similar crisis as 9/11, the result will be 1000 times more intrusive than anything Bush/Cheney came up with. Afterall, he knows best. At least with BC, we knew the enemy we were fighting.

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Don't fool yourself in thinking that the government is any different under Obama. The government is still infringing on our rights to privacy, free speech, and assembly. Obama had the opportunity to reverse the covert spying on citizens that was instituted under Bush, but he chose not to repeal it. Obama is doing a lot of good things and so did Bush, and I hope beyond hope that he wind up with a better scorecard at the end of his term than Bush Jr. had when he ended his. Right now the jury is still out for me with Obama, and I was a strong supporter of his campaign and election.

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This has nothing to do with Obama. The BPD has done this stuff for years. It only got worse during the Bush Admin when citizens lost the ability criticize anyone with a uniform without being called anti-American in public.

Sure I would support the police, they have a tough job... one I certainly don't want... but the police in our region (not just Buffalo) are some of the worse.

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...now you're just unamerican/racist if you don't agree 100% with the president.

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Give me a break BenFranklin...

If you don't agree with Obama your racist?! How are you racist for disagreeing with him?

Is a black person racist for disagreeing with Bush? NO.

Quit using the race card to drown out Obama's critics.

Just join the civilian national security force and feel good pushing opponents round calling them racist and bigots for not licking boot.

It's Bush's 3rd term.

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mr_anderson... the problem is people like you who don't take the time to read something and just want to scream fascism.. socialism... You probably don't even know the difference between them. If you read benfranklins comments you can clearly see that he doesn't support Obama, just like you. Cool it dude! You'll get your crazy Palin in 7 years. Good luck with that! Let freedom ring!

And benfranlink regarding your "...now you're just unamerican/racist if you don't agree 100% with the president." statement. Where the hell where you for the past 8 years when everyone against the war or who spoke up against the president was truly seen as un-American and probably had the FBI listen in on their phone calls?

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My defense of the previous administration would be solely on the grounds that they were attempting to protect us from outside forces. Now we have a government that would like to be front and center in many more aspects of our lives.

I do see a parallel between individual citizens trying to accomplish something (like this event), and what seems to be an ever growing government boondoggle that wants us to behave in a certain way (do you have a permit for that?), but at the end of the day can't shoot straight (this event is over). A government that attempts to do too much does it at too a high a cost, and performs the task miserably.

Most here would say I'm stretching the point, but I think the answer would be pretty clear from the young people who attempted to hold this event. Do you think they'd like more or less government? We'd all be better off with less.

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Oh please.

No from your Socialism / Fascism / Palin comments I'm not a republican nor a democrat or Republicrat as it should be but politically neutral.

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that sounds kinda crazy

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What an absolute shame. Meghan has spent years in NYC and Berlin pulling together shows like this and Buffalo is lucky to have her here. I'll bet she's rethinking her move, and those DJs, their friends and the investors will never return. It's a sad day for the Queen City.

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A good shaming and reeducation is in order for the BPD. St. Patrick's Day festivities make perfect sense to them, but an electronic music gathering in an industrial area might be a bit too foreign.

Never Forget Green Lightning.

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and what does Mickey Kearns have to say about this???

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What a bunch of crap this is. A neighbor of mine gave me a very nicely done flier to the event. I was impressed with the quality and thought this may not be my cup of tea, but passed it on to my children (a little closer in age to the target demographic of the event) and encouraged them to go and check it out, and more importantly support an upincoming segment of the arts scene. I knew a lot of work went into this event and probably a bit of financial risk.

I was shocked to read this article. Without knowing the details, The organizers should find a lawyer and sue the city.

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Brown is killing the city! Kearns for Mayor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The Buffalo Police Dept is a joke! Good job Mr. McCarthy Gibson. These guys take advantage of their positions and hide behind the Blue Curtain. I am searching for a house in the city but have recently reconsidered.

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A complete shame but not unexpected from the completely incompetent BPD... They are a complete waste of time and money. I think it is time we fire all of them, from the patrolman to chief and start over...

How can you have respect for a police force that doesn't show respect for the people they are sworn to protect. I think we should all learn our rights and take a stand against this crap. How about we picket the police stations, demand to see the people who obviously refused to listen to reason and make a big deal about this. Call the buffalo news, anything to get the spot light on this problem. How can you honestly feel safe raising a family someplace where the cops show time and time again that even if you follow the law... you will be harassed.

Start with Brown, Steve Casey... Get them OUT of city hall. They have done nothing but pander to the police, give them new expensive toys and completely remove any accountability from the force.

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i'm sorry the buffalo police department wasn't handed money to let this event continue. should of had it at merlins then, when you know you won't get shut down because they are paying the police off so everyone can do lines off of the bathroom sink. is that the only way buffalo can have a music scene? paying these cops off to leave the musicians and artists alone. good job buffalo. keep crushing fun and creativity.

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D-District
669 Hertel Avenue
Buffalo, NY 14213

851-4413

Chief: Anthony Barba

Captains: Gregg Blosat, James ***an

Call to file a "Professional Standards Complaint"

tips@bpdny.org

this is the only email address i could find on their site. I think they should be asked to explain their actions.

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My neighbor called the police at 7:40 PM on Saturday to report someone looking into cars and trying door handles on our street. She was told that they would send a patrol out as soon as one was available and that she should lock the doors to her house and wait inside. It took the police 45 minutes to send a patrol to our street and when they showed up they expected her to come to the patrol car to discuss the complaint. I went out with her and a few other neighbors to discuss the amount of time it took to show up and the officer became very rude. She said that if we wanted better response time then we should have approved the vote for more officers. I don't remember that being on the ballot last November. I told her that next time we should just go out an confront the criminal ourselves and she said that this would be a bad idea and that we should always wait for the police. It didn't make sense. My neighbor who called in the complaint asked her how long it typically takes for th police to respond and she said that the Mayor has that information and that she wasn't allowed to comment about it. When my neighbor started to ask another question the officer said "look, I'm really busy here and I don't have time for every single question and complaint, if you don't like it then call the Mayor".


I am glad to see that there was a really serious crime in progress that the police had to repsond to. Keeping college kids from congregating while a homeless punk searches out yet another car steal or rob. This is why I am on my way to Amherst. I wish I could say that this will be the last time that the Buffalo Police let me down, but I know that it is not the case.

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If you are so concerned about criminals and police not responding, I suggest you go to 92 Franklin Street and apply for a pistol permit. This way, if anyone breaks into your house, just shoot them dead. You can then call the Buffalo Police and tell them not to hurry, take their time, but you just shot someone and they are lying dead on your kitchen floor. Here is all the information that you need:
http://www.erie.gov/depts/government/clerk/applications_permits_pistol.phtml

Don't be a victim!

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Already have one, and a shotgun from Dick's. I know better than to leave my house to confront someone on the street though. It is a different story if someone were to enter the house or put myself or my family in direct harm.

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BTW, it takes more than a year to get your permit. Start now.

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Yeah, then you'll just get arrested for defending yourself, sued by the family of the intruder, and your family will have to fend off retaliation attempts for the rest of their lives.

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Well I have heard some similar stories about police abuse in Amherst as well. It is a larger regional problem. Police are don't seem to remember that they are here to serve... the public. Not to rule the public.

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Police abuse happens everywhere, from LA to DC and all cities in between. I don't expect a lack of abuse from Amherst, but at least they will show up when called. The other difference is that the Amherst PD will arrest a suspect while the BPD often just detain in the car, question, then release a few blocks away. This practice shows a reduction in crime or arrests but does little for th people of Buffalo.

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If the BPD started making a lot more arrests, is there enough room in the Holding Center to put the arrested?

A big problem is the jails are full (some say overcrowded), which probably is a major reason city court all too often lets arrested people off with essentially no punishment anyway. Time spent arresting the same people over and over doesn't accomplish much unless it's a serious offence with very good evidence. Areas like Amherst can make arrests more often because proportionally there's so much fewer crimes reported there. (If any suburb haters want to believe Amherst's crime rate is similar to Buffalo's, they can but I'm not interested in arguing about it.)

Btw, I think your recent comments describe very well the crime problems in most of Buffalo. But I can't think of any near-term answers to lowering real crime rates here except to expand jails and be willing to lock up a lot more convicted people for a lot longer. That might also require more judges, prosecutors, guards, etc. But all that's unlikely to happen due to opposition from politicians.

Creative tactics loved by politicians such as bike patrols and neighborhood watch groups can have very localized impacts, but for the city as a whole those contribute to the shell game of moving crime among neighborhoods.

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Criminals know that the police won't arrest them for what is considered a lesser offense. Things like thefts from homes, cars, and yards, selling some drugs, fights, drunk in public, domestic arguments, and anything that has to do with kids under 18, are not taken seriously. The criminals know the deficiencies and take advantage of them. Cars on my street have been broken into almost weekly, yet there is little interest from the police. If I was to go outside and beat the kid who broke into my car, the police would be right there to charge me. If I was to shoot some little punk who is breaking into my house, then I would be on the news as the bad guy. A cop shot a kid on the east side who pulled a gun on him, and the world treated the kid as the victim. It is 3:00 AM and your 14 year old kid is out trying to rob someone at a gas station. This is not a misunderstood kid. This is a criminal! Put him away the first time and we don't have to worry about him. Better yet, hold the parents accountable. No we can't do that because they are just victims of poverty. They are all just victims of some unknown entity that keeps them from upholding the law like everyone else. The police endorse and enable this mentality by not responding and not arresting criminals. So my family suffers as a result. No one cares about the middle class family who is trying their best to make a better life but we are all concerned about the injustice to the snot nosed gang banger who tags up my neighbor's business or breaks into my neighbor's house.


The police need to stop making excuses and start doing the job that they are paid to do. The Amherst Police seem to be able to do that, the Erie County Sherrifs seems to be able to do that, so why can't the Buffalo Police?


I guess it is easier to harass some unarmed kids at a concert or a mentally challenged homeless person than it is to go after the real criminals. It is no wonder that the criminals are winning.

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I agree totally with your view favoring more arrests, serious prosecutions, and more jail for those convicted.

What I meant is I think unfortunately our view isn't shared by enough of a political/voter majority as would be needed to make that happen for expanded jails, more prosecutors, etc.

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Amherst Police MUST LIVE IN AMHERST, as citizens of their community they are more involved, accountable, and less likely to act like a jerk when dealing with people that may be their neighbor.
That said, there is no comparison, Amherst has none of the serious poverty and blight that Buffalo must deal with.

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Aren't all of the county's criminals held in the same location, the Erie County Holding Center. I didn't municipalities had individual jails.

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Sean, What I meant was for the Amherst PD to arrest a higher portion of their potential arrestees has less impact on the shared Erie Co Holding Center than if the BPD started arresting a lot more here. That's simply because so many more crimes happen in Buffalo, proportionately. That's presuming by far most residents of county jail residents committed crimes in Buffalo, not the burbs, which sounds like a safe bet.

To be clear: it's fine with me if the BPD starts making arrests at the same rate as Amherst does. However, if we believe what we read in the Buffalo News about county jails being full or overcrowded, then wouldn't doing that just greatly add to the problem in the Holding Center? And following convictions and sentencing (when city court judges give jail terms) wouldn't it also encounter space issues at the County Jail in Alden?

As private citizens it's easy for us to ignore those details, but they're real issues and won't go away by themselves.

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Do you think it is a coincidence that Buffalo has the most poverty and the most crime? Wouldn't it make more sense to address the root cause of poverty than to attack the symptom of crime? Not saying we shouldn't lock up the dangerous criminals, just that we need to start looking for a long term solution, the present plan ain't working.

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I agree it need not be either-or. A policy change to imprison more convicted criminals could easily coexist with govt efforts to reduce poverty. The former is unlikely due to the politics here, but is what would be needed instead of feel-good gimmicks for publicly popular policing methods. The latter is unlikely to succeed, but they'll keep spending and trying.

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I know for a fact that the Town of Tonawanda has a jail at it's Sheridan Drive headquarters.

I can't speak for the rest of the towns.

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I could be wrong but I think small lock-ups towns have are used mostly for relatively minor crimes handled by town judges or for very short term stays (shoplifting, DUI, etc). For more serious crimes handled by county judges, or for longer stays, I think towns usually transfer prisoners to the county Holding Center.

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i use to work for a swimming pool in the city which had trouble with gang activity. When ever we had a serious problem, it usually took between 45 minutes to 2 hours for the police to show up.


there was a station 4 blocks away.

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Headlines should read: Buffalo police put to good use foiling a shooting on east side! BUT NO not under Tyrant Brown,Buffalo cops are busy harassing new college students and stopping invest in BFLO!

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If the event complied with a city permit, then regardless of any noise complaints it sounds like the police ignored the last sentence of Section 4-A in the noise ordinance:

http://www.bpdny.org/Home/Community/QualityofLife
"Section 4:
The following acts and the causes thereof are declared to be in violation of this chapter and to constitute unreasonable noise:
A. The use of any sound-reproduction device outside a structure either on private property or on a public right-of-way or public space at any time within the residential areas or within the commercial areas which by causing noise, annoys or disturbs the quiet, comfort or repose of a reasonable person of normal sensitivities. This provision shall not be construed to prohibit public performances being conducted in accordance with the provisions of a special permit granted by the city."

The permit holder should file a formal complaint with the BPD. That can be at District D as Arch's comment mentions, or through the Professional Standards Division or Police Commissioner as decribed here:
http://www.bpdny.org/Home/Services/ProfessionalStandardsDivision/ComplaintProcess

Also a request/demand should be made from City Hall for a refund of the event permit fee if the permit was disregarded by the police.

And the North District's full-time Common Council member,
Joe Golombek, 851-5116,
jgolombek@city-buffalo.com
should be asked to personally assist with following up the police complaint, supporting the the permit refund, and having the incident examined by the council's Police Oversight Committee.

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Have had mixed experiences with the BPD, some seem dedicated and decent, others act more like an occupying force and treat us like we are all inmates here in Buffalo. Residency requirements would help change this attitude as well as bring a police presence to our neighborhoods.
The big question here is who sent them? would like to know how and why they felt the need to break up this legal concert.

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I fear a residency requirement would only serve to diminish the police force further.

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Then why does virtually every suburb require residency for police officers? Time for Buffalo residents to demand and receive the same protection as our neighbors.

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The residency requirements work fine in the suburbs because there's a much higher supply of people who want to live and work there.

It's already like pulling teeth just to get people to think of living in the city, and no-one wants to be a cop there.

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I see, we should just roll over and accept second class status and then wonder why nothing ever changes.
There are plenty of applicants interested in joining the BPD, residency would weed out those without the committment and heart to serve our city.

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I don't think it's a matter of accepting "2nd class status" as much as it is a matter of accepting "reality".

I think you're getting the wrong impression here. Would I prefer that Buffalo cops lived in Buffalo? YES! Absolutely.

However, didn't they just drop the residency requirement for "high need" teachers in Buffalo because they were having such a hard time finding quality teachers to fill positions? How is the police force going to be any easier to fill out with residents?

If you shrink the pool of potential candidates, then you proportionately shrink the pool of quality candidates.

Baby steps here. You can't put the cart before the horse.

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Also might be good to notify council member David Rivera about all this because apparently he's a member of the Police Oversight Committee according to this:
http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/files/1_2_1/CommitteeMeetings/Meetings2008/x9-Policeoversight.pdf

The other committee members apparently are Davis (chair), Smith, Fontana, and Russell.

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The odd thing was...the very next day (yesterday, there was another music event there and I didn't see any police busting up that gathering. Very odd!

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I recently called regarding a domestic dispute and it took them THREE HOURS to send someone to my house. I wonder how long it would take if I just hung up when the 911 operator answered.

The fact that the organizers of this event were given no reason for breaking it up is ridiculous. File a complaint and follow up!

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This is intolerable behavior. Then again the Country has been becoming more of a police state over the last decade or so. Amazing that they target the least of worries while whole neighborhoods continue to be enveloped in gang warfare, etc. This is not unlike the police presence at the Canisius College party a year or so back.

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This comes from a city that only hires police officers from within. You have to have pre-established residency to apply and get a job offer in the BPD from what I have heard. Would it be sane to believe that some outside talent from elsewhere would literally uproot, move to Buffalo city proper just to be able to apply and maybe get a police job there? Thats insanity. So much for hiring out of town or neighboring town talent even, so much for hiring the best and brightest. A good system to hire ones friends and family, maintain an extremely insulated view and not bring in outside ideas.

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Was there underage drinking?
These events with alcohol should be 21 and over.

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Why? There are music oriented events festivals every single weekend with alcohol that are not 21+. Thursday at the square is probably a perfect example.

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rb- the event was an 18 plus event. With a strict drinking policy in effect. The age range in attendance was WIDE and exactly what we were going for. The age range was 19 to 70 years old. This was not a threatening, disturbing crowd in any form.

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in wny, it seems that many venues that have shows are either 16+ or 18+, such as mohawk place, soundlab, town ballroom, etc. those places are well within their rights to have underaged kids attend the show. if you're going to make every event that has alcohol consumption 21+, you'd better be carding at bills and sabres games too.

considering how isolated the yard is, i would be shocked if a noise complaint shut down the show, which is why i'm so curious about the reason the 5-O showed up.

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I helped Meg with this event the past 4 months, I have to say Lt Quinn (who shut the party down) was very unreasonable. We asked what decibel level to abide by, or how we can work to make the police dept happy. They would not work with us. We BEGGED them to let us move the event into the warehouse. Lt. Quinn refused to consider the request. I was hoping this event would go smoothly so Meg could stay here in Buffalo, and implement more of her great ideas.

I am embarrassed and disgusted with the city of buffalo and the buffalo police department.

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No that's not why it was shut down. If only the reason were that clear...

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What was the real reason?

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