City July 30, 2009 9:40 AM

Singles shape Chippewa. Now who shapes Main?

Singles shape Chippewa. Now who shapes Main?
By now we've all seen the list of Forbes lists. As Elena pointed out, the magazine has placed Buffalo at the top and the bottom of so many lists that it's hard to keep track where we stand in a ranking and more importantly, how we ended up there. Last evening the cybersphere was abuzz as people began to talk about the most recent listing - Buffalo's ranking as number 18 when it comes to best cities to be single in. Along with the ranking was shown a nighttime photo of a bustling Chippewa Street. If I saw the snippet and didn't know much about Buffalo other than the standard stereotypes, in a flash my perception would have changed. Hopefully, as those perceptions are altered (by our young people), we can look for further signs of change in coming years.

With the recent transformation of the 700-block from one way to two-way, the image of that section has also flip-flopped. For many, there is a re-energized sense about what Main Street is and what Main Street should be. If you look at the bones of the long dormant commercial district (other than theater-goers), you can easily see that giant is merely sleeping and traffic flowing through its veins would bring it back to life. Even with the hope of traffic returning I have heard rumblings from entrepreneurs as they prowl the outer limits of the traffic-less district.

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Until that fateful day, we might jut be stuck with that sleeping giant though. And that's really sad. If I were given the keys of the city (like TO), I would beat the drum even louder for revitalizing Main Street. If there was ever a reason to snag some of that stimulus money, this is it. Over the weekend Assemblyman Sam Hoyt and I took a bike ride down Main Street (literally down the spine of the lifeless street). As we passed by a couple of young people (who looked lost), I mentioned to Sam that we should double back to help them out. "Where is everyone?" they asked. "This looks like a great city, but where are the people?" We told them about the Main Street misfortune and redirected them towards Allen Street, Chippewa, Elmwood... any commercial district that would help squash their image of Buffalo as a ghost town.

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Main Street is the closest thing we have to Queen Street in Toronto (I'm not kidding). Once again, I am talking about the infrastructure density and the unique blend of commercial buildings and storefronts. Other cities would kill to have that because it's impossible to duplicate. It's easy to envision what the street could look like with occupied storefronts. Just picture the 700-block success superimposed on the rest of the street... with a Metro Rail to boot. I think that the best way to go about it would be to add cars in stages... in segments. Restore cars from Tupper to Chippewa. Next restore Huron to Mohawk. From there you could see if the stretch from Chippewa to Huron could thrive as a pedestrian mall. Instead of just snapping our fingers and releasing the cars back onto Main, we should really step back and think about what makes the street work and what doesn't. What would drive more people to this district? What do they want?

As for Forbes and the singles ranking? It all depends on whom you talk to as to whether they agree with the stat. Talk to young Chippewa-goers and you will probably find that they are pretty happy with the transformation of that street. And maybe at the end of the day, we should be happy that that age bracket is getting some much-needed attention for Buffalo. If I was thinking about attending college here and I saw that Forbes 'clipping', I would say, "Buffalo, here I come!" If we can get Main Street back on track, or off track as the case may be, we might one day look back and say, "Did you know that Main was once a dead street?" Check out the old bustling images of the district. It'll break your heart. I know that we can reclaim Main. Hopefully, when we do, we will be able to erase the memories of an era that literally drove people away.
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What would you say if the second image you saw was of the bleak Amherst campus where you would be taking most of your classes and living in an isolated bunker style dorm.

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I would say that there are many other colleges to choose from. If I was afraid that the Amherst campus is too big I would go to a different college.

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Queenseye:

It's about time you took a relevant stand on this issue. Props. As a renter on the 700 block it has been wonderful and predicatable that life would come back. Anyone who thinks that bringing back traffic had nothing to do with the comeback (and there are a lot of you out there) hasn't a clue. Again, people griping against this project need to step back and refocus on aimlessly stearing at their computer screen.

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The 700 block of Main is exactly what the rest of Main should look like. I was walking down the block the other day. There were a few other people walking, and the presence of vehicles made feel like there was "something going on." The greenery, trees/flowers, do SO MUCH for the block....it makes it feel like a neighborhood. Take a look at the photo above of the bicyclist riding through the 500 block. There is nothing attractive with looking at nothing but asphalt. Is there any question why no one would want to hang out on that block. A lack of parked vehicles and trees draws further attention to a sense of "desolate." The city has an enormous opportunity with returning vehicular traffic to the rest of the street, planting greenery, creating living spaces (AM&A's). Having just one lane of traffic in each direction is, by no means, loud/chaotic. Instead, it provides just the right amount of activity and access Main Street needs to thrive as a business district AND neighborhood.

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Forbes also put us on another list - America's Abandoned Cities

http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/23/vacancy-homes-rents-lifestyle-real-estate-vacancy-cities.html

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OOOH! Take that local pride! Its great to have the "realists" around to point out our flaws.

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I agree about the Fountain Plaza block - it doesn't seem like there's any real need to have cars on that block. Those buildings and their plazas were built with the pedestrian mall in mind unlike other blocks with their storefronts and restaurants.

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Lets start with getting people in the city first by getting buisnesses and corporations to land here. Then lets try to get venders in the mall (preferably non-ghetto clothing) and maybe some shops and bars facing the street.

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This city is to big for is measly population!!

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I hate to be a downer but Chippewa is well past the transformation stage. Its dying. Or at least on a steep downward trend. And no one seems to care.

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True. Friday nights has turned into 'Wear your kevlar night'. That street could be someting if they kicked out the crackheads above Liars/BigShots.

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Dang, I stopped going there because of the $5 miller lites, all the tools with the popped collars and fades, and the clowns with their ugly a$$ $150 Ed Hardy t's on. Now we have a bunch of gang bangers in the mix...nice.

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Is that fact or observation? I dont go that way much anymore but when I do its packed. How is it dying?

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Its an observation and what appears to be a fact.

Scott hit the nail on the head. One big issue is cleanliness and attractiveness. I don't think I'm saying anything anyone doesn't already know but its a dump down there. Mangled trees, broken and cracked sidewalks, trash everywhere, panhandlers galore. Not exactly the picture of an "entertainment district" Nobody seems to be making an effort to clean it up either... not business owners or the city. One bright spot is between delaware and elmwood. Nice clean bars and restaurants for the most part. Seems better maintained.

With Thursday in the square only doing half a season and moving the rest to the waterfront you can kind of see what the future might hold.

its not too far gone to be rehabilitated but it doesn't seem like anyone is making an effort and the street just feels less safe.

A few of the many reasons I don't make it over that way much anymore these days...

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I dont make it over that much these days either. Not enough places that serve 'Bison and other tasteful beers. One positive I will take from your post is the fact that the Elmwood-Deleware side is the "bright spot". Abt 10 years ago, pre-Hampton that block looked like Beruit.

Another thing to keep in mind is that panhandlers and generaly grubby conditions have been the norm since the place started its rise. I remember bums, car poppers, the smell of pi$$ and vomit, fights, litter and other things associated with a downtown bar district back when I lived there. Having it a bit grimy and less Disneyland is part of the reason why the early 20s crowd finds this neighborhood cool. You want to see decline go check out the flats in Cleveland.

The only changes I see since say '99 are an expantion (up Franklin and the other side of Deleware) and one less trouble spot since the "grove" and its gunfights went away.

I do miss the tuesday car shows in the summer. Wish that would come back.

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I think Chippewa is following the same trend the Flats is. Its worrisome how often those two are compared to each other by people. I don't think it needs to stay dirty neccessarily and I disagree as to that being the reason the young folk like it.

What I like about the district is that it has something for almost everyone. From upscale restaurants and bars to questionable joints to Sheas and the other theaters there. I think you can clean it up, re-pave it, light it and people will still want to go down there. I think were missing out on an opportunity by just considering it a place for the young crowd. Why not try to attract a broader range of consumer and really make the place hop? Make sure the definition fo the district branches out up and down pearl and franklin as well and all the way up to the Genesee gateway. I hate to think that people walk out of the Hyatt or the Hampton on on Tuesday and see the street so dead...

As for leaving it as is and accepting pan handlers etc. I think people are less apt to go there because they don't feel safe. And that goes for young and old. And its not just pan handlers either. In general it seems that there are alot of questionable and shady characters on the street these days and I think that limits the demographics of people that are willing to go down there.

I love the idea of a BID but its been tried beore and it never seems to pick up any significant steam. I think it really needs a passionate advocate to get both the business owners and city officials to take some interest and action. If the saying "the squeaky wheel gets the grease" is true then I think someone needs to start squeaking a lot louder before its too late.

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The 700 block streetscape looks amazing. It has loads of potential for small retailers and service businesses serving downtown workers and nearby residences. Jacobs' renovations and tenants are a great start, but there is still vacant space along the block. The west side of the block needs to get filled in (perhaps if those buildings were still standing, we'd be talking about new projects there with the new tax incentives just passed). In the meantime- this vacant land is prime for new residential or UB2020 construction. If retail comes back downtown- it may start in the 700 block. The Ellicott Commons-Genny Block area is on its way to be a node of retail also.

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I agree that cars can be a part of Main Streets revival but the lack of them was certainly not its death. The 700 block is great because of the many other things that the infrastructure project did for that block. Nice quality materials for the sidewalks. Big long planters for trees and flowers. Bike lanes, bulb outs, crosswalks all add to the detail and the individual scale of the block. The worst thing about the pedestrian mall is it tried to make Main Street into one big 'place' instead of a collection of cool and unique individual blocks, it created a homogeneous space. Because well... most people want and like homogeneity... look at the burbs.


But that isn't what saves or revitalizes a city. It just puts the city on a level of competition it can't win at. A city needs to be a collection of good small spaces.


I do think that the new main street can and will improve the street. Even with the problems that it might cause for transit \ environment. But a couple blocks with streets parking could go a long way to making the whole street feel more comfortable and smaller, than a street that looks like someone took a giant red paint roller down and just painted over the details of the unique blocks.

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What Main needs as it transitions is very high density residential. Bringing in lots of new residents would enhance the arguments for or against the pedestrian mall vs. full reopening to cars. Right now it all seems too hypothetical.

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Chippewa just needs a makeover.

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Main St. 700 Block looks incredible and I am glad to hear about Buffalo getting some postive feebback in the Forbes article. As for Chippewa; I was there this past weekend and the place needs to be cleaned up.. Looking very shabby in my opinion as compared to what it looked like in the late 90s.

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Chppewa need a BID (business Improvement District) where the business pay a small fee to have their own dedicated street sweepers to keep the area clean, Maintain planters, etc. BID's have worked wonders in other cities.

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true but its hard enough to attrack buisnesses to downtown offices due to alot of burb buisness parks so having another fee wouldnt be good

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Tacky sex shop has been there since god was born. What needs to occur is that the bar and business owners take ownership of some of the cleaning issues. Street cleaners come through every Saturday and Sunday morning. The city does its part. The crowds, themselves, contribute to the demise of the trees and other issues like broken bottles and gum stuck everywhere. What should occur is that the bars have a clean up crew at the ready once they close at 4:30 am to clean up the interiors and exteriors before 9:00 am. That would include hosing down the sidewalks and assuring broken glass is not around. The sweepers from the city are normally done by 9:00 am. Also, the panhandlers - someone said it above - the "Chippewa Hotel" is a magnet for the panhandlers and other sordid characters. Close it down - now.

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Do you know what the deal is with that Chippewa Hotel? Are those crackheads even paying rent? That has got to be some kind of government housing... If not then if the landloard (whoever it is) got in there and kicked them out and remodeld it to real apartments then he/she would have no prob renting it out.

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I rememeber when your city added planters and new Buffalo style street lights to Chippewa and Elmwood ,it aided in a quick tranformation to a very welcoming environment which in turn led to retail and restuarants and thus people, as well people wanted to live there as well. parts of the city like Grant , lower Broadway and ofcoarse ridding yourselfs of that idiotic Main st pedestrian way, which is an oxymoron for the pedestrians do not even exist there.; would be a great benefit. Buffalo is a great historical city, with fantastic architecture and L'Enfant street plans, and am excited to see Buffalo finally getting the press as well; as I have observed just in the past few short years, the peopling of the your city and the proleferation of trendy restaurants clubs and interesting areas will continue to add to your city's much awaited renaisiance

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A - I think the 700 Block looks great; B - we also need to talk about age demographics when discussing Chip. versus what Main Street (or other areas) "could" be. Chip. for the last decade plus has been (mostly) for the college age/twenty somethings. That's great! I'm glad we have it. Ellicott seems to be emerging as a cool place for the thirty/forty somethings who don't want the Chip feel. I think part of the "it looks dirty" attitude (which I share) is just seeing it through older (or more sober) eyes.

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time to ditch the silly arches and atrium maybe?

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"We've made a lot of lists on Forbes, but this one really blew our minds. On a list of Best Cities for Singles, Buffalo was mentioned at #18, up from #30 last year. What surprised us (pleasantly) was the text that went with it."

I quote a previous post about the Forbes article. When People who are in a position to write about Buffalo in a very Public Way STOP the "gee do ya really like us..do ya really think we're good?" posturing crap the "stereotypical" reactions by the world outside Buffalo will stop as well. I mentioned this in a previous post to the guy who is writing the three part series entitled THE BIG WHY which is a story about why he chose to move to Buffalo from LA. A real no-brainer actually who would want ghastly LA? Been there lately? WHY INDEED! BUFFALO NO LONGER NEEDS TO APOLOGIZE FOR WHAT IT IS. THOSE DAYS ARE OVER. BUFFALO IS A COOL PLACE TO BE SO START ACTING LIKE IT and WRITING LIKE IT! Now if the writers of these posts on BRO would stop being "surprised" (no matter how pleasantly) and start getting a little smug about their city and stop with the posturing then the "stereotypes" will stop. I am really getting tired of it. The negative self-image crap is getting old. Get over it.

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Everyone has said what I want to say about Main Street better than I would be able to. Regardless, I'll add that I'm excited to look at the street in 5-10 years.

Also, let Chippewa stay dirty... clean it up and the collar-popping brozilla losers will head somewhere more interesting. WATCH OUT ALLENTOWN

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This would never happen, but seeing how UB is a large part of the new medical campus not too far away on Main St., how about getting UB to somehow build student housing, shops, restaurants along lower Main St from 700 block down to HSBC where ever there is space of course. It would fill in that area and it is along the rail line that goes to the other campus. It would bring life and money to downtown and would create a need for stores and restuarants past 5pm in that area and also make this area more welcoming at night for other visitors.

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Chippewa is in decline to a point but also on the upswing. The decline of some of the bars that are close and the addition of the tacky sex shop...but then again look at the corner of Chippewa/Delaware where Salsaritas is to the Avant and down to the new court house is all growing and looks great.

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Problem is, go down to Chippewa at night and it looks great. But, once the sun comes up....it looks so so shabby. Broken, sidewalks (even around to Delaware too), weeds growing everywhere, filthy sidewalks, missing trees. Entertainment districts don't need to look filthy, regardless if it's catering to college kids or not. Last time I checked, college kids were not the majority at: Starbucks, Crocodile, SoHo, Bacchus. Yes, there are bars that cater to them, but it isn't an overwhelming majority. Clean it up! I'd like to go down to Spot or Starbucks on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon and ectually enjoy sitting on a patio looking at a maintained, groomed street.

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Main Street...the Iraquois Hotel...the competitor to the Statler. Had it continued to exist...it would be similar to the Dakota or the Plaza in NYC...that and the Art Nuveau Hotel Buffalo (the Statler precursor) are enormous losses for the character of downtown Buffalo...they would have made incredible residential conversion projects.

I dont see the future of Chippewa...but my prediction is delayed because of the Buffalo Creek Casino. I have always thought that the Chippewa District would gradually migrate over to the Cobblestone District surrounding the Casino and create a kind of 24/7 district as the Chippewa District gradually converted to government, business and theater.

I dont even see a future for the Convention Center and the Hyatt Atrium.

What would change Main Street and how should it be branded....well, first dont try! Second reconnect the street grid by getting rid of the convention center and the hyatt atrium. Reopening the cross streets will help to feed Main Street, extending the LightRail to the Airport will give people the downtown alternative, as will the developments of the Canal District.

Third, enhance the natural assets of Main Street baseball, hockey, theater, waterfront, current chippewa all bring people downtown, Allentown, COE of Life Sciences, Canisius/Medaille, Sisters, South Campus.

DONT SEE MAIN STREET AS A FEW BLOCKS BUT AS A CORRIDOR! BUSINESSES WILL DISSECT THE DEMOGRAPHICS AND TRAFFIC AND EVERY OTHER METRIC ALLOWING MAIN STREET TO BRAND ITSELF AND DEVELOP ORGANICALLY.

SUMMATION...THE BEST THING THAT CAN HAPPEN FOR MAIN STREET AND OTHER STREETS IS TO SEE THEM AS CORRIDORS, REMOVE OBSTACLES AND BARRIERS, IMPROVE CROSS STREETS THAT FEED THEM AND ENHANCE THE NATURAL ASSETS AND CURB APPEAL...THE REST WILL HAPPEN ORGANICALLY.

Its what happened on Delaware and Elmwood and Linwood and Richmond.

Its what needs to happen on Grant and Niagara, Genessee and Broadway and Seneca....(but I doubt Broadway and Genessee can come back as long as Main Place Mall, Convention Center, City Court Parking Lot, Elm Oak Arterial...all act as barriers!)

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As far as I can recall that "tacky sex shop" has been there longer than alot of the bars down there on Chippewa. Was another added?

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its the life cycle of a bar/club. Things are good then a certain element shows up and everyone goes someplace else. Nothing new there! How about enforcement of loitering laws? I see alot of issues with people who don't even enter the establishments and at least put some money in the till for all the problems they cause. They just hangout on the sideway and start ****....

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There is no doubt that the pedestrian mall is not working.
But people should not assume that putting cars back on Main is automatically going to make business open.
Main Street failed for a number of reasons and it is going to take a while to bring it back to life as the heart of the city.

When Main Street was healthy, it did not survive on people being able to park or even drive on Main. Most people either arrived by transit, or drove to a parking deck a block or two away. People came down because it offered the best shopping in the region, and entertainment.

Any plan to revive Main is going to also require metropolitan wide plans to resist expanding suburban malls, and even plans like the Coblestone District will take life that could be on Main.

Pittsburgh has done this. They want to revive their Fifth and Forbes retail area, yet at the same time, they approved a large mall just across the river 5 minutes from downtown, etc. All that puts a nail in reviving the central downtown retail scene.

So putting cars on Main will help, bit it is not the main ticket in reviving main.
Walden Galleria is probably the biggest threat to a vibrant Main Street. That mall has become "the place to be" for a day of shopping, etc. And Buffalo has to figure out how to make Main become that destination again.


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yes. But Main will never become the shopping destination it once was. People like strip malls and malls because of parking and weather and location. Main has to have a different incarnation.

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I kind of disagree with that. There are plent of cold cities where downtown is the place to shop and go for entertainment.

Sure it is going to be harder to revive it when you are in a overmalled region like Buffalo, but I would not blame weather for the decline in retail shopping.
People have no problem shopping on Elmwood Ave.

Cold cities are now opening those Lifestyle Malls which are all outdoors.

It should have happened decades ago, but there needs to be tigher metropolitan wide laws on retail development.
Ottawa did this in the 1970-1990's, where there was basically almost a total ban on suburban mall expansion and development. All new destination retail had to go downtown.
The ban on suburban retail was only lifted once retail sales downtown reached a certain % of regional sales.

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Mike, western New York is one of the most under-malled regions in the country and that's a good thing because this economy will hurt malls in many other cities. That won't happen in western New York.

Your mention of Ottawa is interesting. My grandfather operated a shoe repair shop there and I get back there every few years. Downtown always had business because the local government workforce kept increasing along with additional government buildings and major museums. People in Ottawa embrace cold weather, so that's not a barrier there. Now, because of increased population, the suburbs there are as untamed as anywhere else and have taken over many of the farms up to 40 miles west of the city.

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Simple if you want to make Main St. a shopping destination once again get in some national stores and restauratns not found in Buffalo malls yet. Beleive it or not there are quite a few we don't have yet and putting them downtown instead of in Galleria or another mall would make Main St. an attraction and give people a reason to go there. Give free metro rail service in 1 direction with a valid receipt or discounts on parking in the ramps with a valid receipt from the new stores. Many other cities do this to encourage downtown shopping.

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'Simple if you want to make Main St. a shopping destination once again get in some national stores and restauratns not found in Buffalo malls yet.'

Simple, huh? How would you 'get' them?

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After reading some of the comments about Chippewa Street about the broken glass and litter and deteriorated sidewalks, let me add the condition of the street itself. The street definitely needs a thorough milling and resurfacing treatment due to all the severe transverse cracking and potholes in the existing pavement. It is getting to be like a rough cowpath with that deteriorated asphalt pavement. As for Main Street, I think the reason why the transit mall failed is because it is too much asphalt pavement and not enough attractive amenities like trees and benches. They cut corners building the transit mall and it shows. No wonder people have abandoned Main Street. So ripping out the transit mall and putting traffic back on Main Street can only do some good because things cannot possibly get worse for Main Street downtown. It resembles a linear morgue, how depressing.

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