Real Estate July 13, 2009 9:10 AM

Parking Wars

Parking Wars

A few of downtown's largest property owners are expressing concern about downtown parking policy.  It is a battle over philosophies and they believe the future of downtown is at stake.

In one corner are James T. Sandoro, Stephen Fitzmaurice and Mark Croce, owners of numerous downtown properties and thousands of parking spaces, who believe misguided parking policies are killing downtown.  Others see it differently saying affordable downtown parking is the key to bringing new tenants, retailers and additional events to the center city. 

The differing opinions are coming to a head as the contract to manage City-owned parking lots and ramps has expired and a recent study suggesting downtown needs more ramps is raising eyebrows.

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Ramps Are Full

Many of downtown's ramps are full with waiting lists.  With parking critical for downtown employers and their workers, full parking ramps hinders business retention and attraction.  When potential tenants shop for space and find that most ramps have waiting lists, the tenant is likely to look elsewhere.  That is oftentimes the suburbs.

Downtown commercial property owners lose tenants quite often because of parking. "We are hurting ourselves because the ramps are full," says Stephen Fitzmaurice, Chief Operating Officer of Seneca One Realty, owner of One HSBC Center.

"Downtown businesses do not need free parking, they need access to parking," says Fitzmaurice.

A recent study by Desman Associates pointed to a parking shortage and described a need to construct four new downtown ramps at a cost of $80 million on property the City does not currently own.  Business is so good that the operator of the City-owned ramps and lots expects to have a surplus of $3 million this year and $4 million next.  "We are literally at capacity," says Buffalo Civic Auto Ramp (BCAR) Executive Director Kevin Helfer.  Those profits are funneled into the City's General Fund.

Some do not see the significant surpluses as a sign of success.  According to the downtown property owners and advocates that addressed the Board of Parking on July 1, the ramps are full because the Board has kept downtown parking rates "artificially low" for years.

"The system has done better than any other city in New York State," says Helfer. 

Nonsense says restaurateur and developer Mark Croce.  "No other city has modeled our system where a non-profit operator runs municipally-owned parking facilities," he says.

"If the facilities are run like a private business, being at full-capacity is equal to failure," says Croce.  "Waiting lists do not encourage business downtown."

Low parking rates are resulting in high occupancy.  Raise the rates and drivers who are price sensitive will look at alternatives to driving, or will park on downtown's fringes.  That will open up and turn-over parking spaces while negating the need to build new ramps.

Croce points to the recent spike in gas prices as being a benefit to downtown, and suggests that raising parking rates will have a similar impact.  "People didn't quit their jobs, they still found a way to work."  Some people walked or biked, others car-pooled or took mass transit.  "The reduced demand from commuters resulted in opened spaces in parking lots," he says.

Rates Vary

"Existing parking rates in BCAR ramps don't make sense on several different levels which contribute to this perception of limited supply," says Fitzmaurice.  Surface lots on the outskirts of downtown are empty yet plans are being drawn to create more spaces.

"Parking rates vary throughout the BCAR system," says Fitzmaurice, this would seem to indicate that they're priced according to demand.  Yet the HSBC Ramp is priced 21percent higher than the Turner Ramp which is in a study area alleged to be under capacity, the government office area."

"Rates should be unified and equitable across the board," says Croce.

Adds businessman James T. Sandoro, "I've been charging $3 daily parking for two decades."  There's plenty of free parking downtown.  Sandoro's lots, seldom full he notes, are concentrated in the Michigan Street and Seneca Street area near Coca Cola Field and ECC.

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What's the Strategy?

According to the property owners, Buffalo doesn't seem to have a cohesive policy with regard to parking.  What is the goal?  To retain retail?  That has not worked.  To maintain a healthy commercial real estate market? Leasing rates have not gone up in the last 20 years.  What indication is there that the last 50 years of "cheapest parking possible" being arranged for by BCAR has achieved any level of success they ask.

Croce, who serves on the NFTA Board of Commissioners, suggests an overall transportation policy be developed for the city.  "We've been tearing down to create parking for decades and look at where it has gotten us.  Buffalo needs a cohesive strategy that looks at parking location and rates in conjunction with mass transit."

Croce has never torn down a building to create parking.  In fact, he'd like to get out of the parking business and develop his downtown lots.  His philosophy is to create density, make downtown more attractive and people will pay to park.  "People do not come downtown to park, they come downtown to work and for events," he says. 

If new ramps are built, Croce suggests they be put on the fringes of downtown.  Doing so provides two benefits.  First, property in the inner core is preserved for a higher and better use such as commercial office space, retail or residential which would in turn increase the property tax base.  Secondly, parking structures on the perimeter would encourage people to walk by and frequent retail services on their way to and from work or their residence. 

Buffalonians have grown to expect affordable, convenient parking close to their destination. 

"Buffalo workers currently drive straight from their homes to their convenient, low cost BCAR parking facility, and then straight home again at the end of the day," says Fitzmaurice.

"Buffalo is not Toronto," countered Parking Board member Michelle Mazzone. 

Fairness

BCAR's ramps compete unfairly against the private sector because they don't pay sales or property taxes.   Low parking rates also discourage construction of privately-built and operated ramps. 

"We are charging the same rates, but have to pay property and sales taxes.  BCAR does not," says Sandoro. 

If the ramps are indeed necessary, the monthly parking rates should be high enough that a private parking developer would see the opportunity and build a facility that pays sales and property taxes.  A commercial office building developer would be able to construct their own parking ramp to support their project, not expecting the City to provide for their parking needs.

If rates are raised in the more heavily used facilities, people would still come to work.  Ramp vacancy would increase providing room for transient parkers- the people coming downtown to conduct business and/or spend money.  The increased vacancy could eliminate the need to construct some or all of the new proposed ramps.

"As stakeholders and more importantly, taxpayers, we find the conclusions of the Desman Report highly disturbing," says Fitzmaurice.  "It seems as if the report was developed with the premeditated conclusion to expand the BCAR system.  Construction of these ramps will perpetuate a system that maintains artificially low parking rates which in turn produces high occupancy."

"Contrary to the Desman report, we think the City should get out of the off-street parking business," says Croce.  "Allow the private sector to provide this service according to market demands.  The city focuses on offering the cheapest parking possible through BCAR. This focus hasn't prevented retail from going the way of the suburban shopping mall."

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How do other cities manage or deal with parking issues in their downtown areas? Are there any success/failure stories?

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If more ramps on existing surface parking lots reduce the prevalence and need for surface parking then i'm all for it. Ramps reduce the footprint of parking and are a much better alternative than surface lots.

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The Light Rail is free so there is no difference between walking multiple flights from a parking garage and then multiple blocks to your destination....

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putting parking garages at the periphery of the free downtown free zone like the South Park area and then using the light rail to walk from Main to Washington and Ellicott or from Main to Pearl and Franklin. Therefore, Croce has a point about a no surface parking and no garage parking light rail zone.

West of Main, the biggest problem then becomes...how does one get a parking garage into some of the highest dollar value real estate in Buffalo in the Delaware and Elmwood zone or the historic West Village Zone.

East of Main Street...the Elm Oak Corridor is perfect for multi-level parking garages and there is still a fair portion of empty land...for them.

Although this problem is somewhat solved by the significant number of parking spaces (parking garage) that will go in as part of Bass Pro / Erie Canal Wharf District and if it ever gets built the Buffalo Seneca Creek Casino (both of which would create a significant enough number of spaces to implement such a policy)

Croce is absolutely correct...a ParknRide zone should extremely limit parking garages along the free zone.

Croce should take it one step further for the betterment of downtown since he wants to move parking garages further away from the downtown core as I have advocated for a very long time....HE SHOULD ADVOCATE MOVING THE EXPRESSWAY ACCESS RAMPS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE DOWNTOWN CORE. CLOSE THE ERIE STREET ACCESS RAMP FOR THE VIRGINIA STREET, CLOSE THE SKYWAY ACCESS RAMP, CLOSE THE ELM/OAK KENSINGTON ACCESS RAMP FOR JEFFERSON OR MICHIGAN....CLOSE THE ELM-OAK I-190 FOR THE COBBLESTONE....IN SOME CASES THATS MOVES THOSE ACCESS RAMPS ONLY 0.1 MILE FURTHER AWAY FROM THE DOWNTOWN CORE. HARDLY A SACRIFICE FOR A SUCCESSFUL DOWNTOWN.

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Croce is right. Charge market rates for parking just like we do for every other land use.


If law and/or custom dictated that 99% of pizza, wings & subs served in the US had to be free, there would never be enough pizza, wings & subs to satisfy everyone.


Here's how to solve this problem:
http://shoup.bol.ucla.edu/GreatStreet.pdf

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20 minute commutes and $3 dollar parking, come visit Downtown Buffalo! (tumbleweed)

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while studying in italy in 2000, Firenze was digging some underground parking lots beneath a few run-down public parks/squares. that's a perfect solution to the area in the top picture (between washington and ellicott. this could be one of the best areas to live in the city (especially with the Genesee Gateway project), and this ridiculous lot kills the neighborhood.

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solution, 3 words: Park and Ride

it really isnt too hard, nor is it expensive.


step one: there are vast vast areas of surface parking south of the Bflo news - just extend light rail a few blocks to connect with it. @ something like $15 to 20 million per mile for light rail, makes it almost cost neutral in comparison to a new parking ramp.


step two: even if Metro rail never connects to UB north, a small northern extension - say just to Sheridan for a P&R lot, would provide much greater access to the system - again, for a very tiny investment relative to parking and highway infrastructure.

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Al - Roswell Park is currently using the Arena parking lots as a park and ride, they furnish their own buses to shuttle employees from these lots to their facilities.

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O'Brien -

Whats the usage rate, I wonder. The cobblestone lots are huge vast parking areas.

But I suppose the current P&R usage only verifies the feasibility of a light rail connection. Take it one step further and connect to the Larkin District (about a mile & a half or so), even better!

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This was a thorough and well-written article. Thank you, WCP.

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Parking needs to be municipal just like the roads. Have a comprehensive policy that puts users near, not at, their work destination. This creates pedestrians walking past stores and spending money on their way to work or back home. Putting them right at thier destination stunts all offshoot buisness growth. Similar to HSBC Arena, single use with its own parking remains its own island.

So instead of getting rid of public ramps, get rid of the private lots and create a master development plan. Lower rates for in ramps and higher rates for the more valuable street parking to the point where it gets a good turn over (no one sitting in the same street spot all day long). Create districts where the street parking money goes right back into that street's beautification/clean-up creating positive growth and demand for the area.

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wow, dangerous, dangerous stuff. the whole parking issue and our succumbing to the vehicle from the 20's to the 60's had a big hand in putting buffalo where it is now. hopefully we're talking about fixing this issue.

"would encourage people to walk by and frequent retail services on their way to and from work or their residence." let's not forget Americans are lazy; and "Buffalo is not Toronto". So true. Typically suburbanite mentality is to avoid walking. That's why they live in the suburbs

Jane Jacobs would love to comment on this.

Agree. Good article, WCP. This is definitely the kind of topic needing to be discussed.

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i love that middle picture with the stupid buffalo creek casino lingering in the distance. i was in detroit recently. i think there were 3 casinos in the city and 1 right across in windsor. seriously. casinos are such a pathetic desperation attempt to save a city. thats like throwing all morality out the window and saying well i cant find a job so i guess i'll sell my sould

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Get rid of the parking lots and build mega-parking ramps. Fully equipped with mixed-used capabilities, and aethetically appealing.

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So true, there is not a parking problem, there is a parking access problem. People need to know where they can go to find a spot. No one likes searching around, driving around in circles for a spot. If someone wants to park AT their destination... well we can't and shouldn't try to make them happy. But what we should do is create destination ramps big enough to hold hundreds and hundreds of cars (to replace the many spread out parking lots).


This will allow people to know where to go, find them easily, and from there they can walk, or take the train to their destination. This spattering of 20 spots here 50 spots there who owns what, the prices always change etc in confusing at best and infuriating at worst to many people.


PLUS it would actually allow the city to open up lands for other uses... uses that would actually draw people back into downtown. no one comes to downtown because 50% of it is used for parking... maybe it is time to give people a reason to come, and put the parking where they can find it.


There is a security issue here as well. Fewer places to park means it is easier to keep an eye on those cars and people coming to and fro for their protection. Since the perception of crime is a big hindrance to many people this would actually make them feel safer than what they have to do now.

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There was once a time when the church in the top picture was a financially struggling parish with a desolate, rundown, poorly lit, unwatched over and crime ridden parking lot. It looks nice now!
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I wonder how many people were able to attend the Federal Reserve/PUSH meeting at the church at 371 Delaware Avenue which is minus any private vehicle parking space.
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We gave up trying to find a spot to park anywhere near Pano's. (We had been interested in going there only because I kept reading so much about it here on BR.) It wasn't a problem for us though because there are plenty of restaurants we enjoy where parking rarely means waiting just a minute.
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AND, we don't care to learn how so many people who attend such major downtown events as The Allentown Art Festival or The Taste of Buffalo manage to even be on foot at all at those two events or all those Thursdays things.
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Where Buffalo's future is involved, (and it has a future because it is a land mass, not a living/near-death/born again matter), and with so many people staying close to home, now's your chance, you people who are monetarily empowered--downtown Buffalo needs tons of parking areas...

The availability for private individuals to park will also tie into the really rapid transit of the future.

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its unfathomable to suggest that its tough to find parking in Buffalo. the furthest ive ever had to walk is a block or two. and, since im pretty cheap, most often for free.

tell me, when folks go to the galleria and walk from their car to the door, and from the door to the store, dont they go much further than they would have finding parking on any city street? Cmon now. hell, when i go to Wegmans or Target i have to park farther away then i commonly do in the city. its a mindset, and frankly a non-issue.

what many fail to realize, is the plethora of parking downtown is a result of the lack of demand for downtown real estate. lack of demand means a real estate surplus. unoccupied real estate is a maintenance/tax/management burden - so it ends up demo'ed. parking lots have very low taxable value, and still produce revenue. meanwhile, the land is held for the day when the values escalate, and a tidy profit can be made.

basically, its the economics, silly.

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Al,

If we had a real progressive mayor he, along with our favorite city council, could enact land-value taxation (based on state enabling legislation of course...) so that its not only based on improvements, but more so on the value of the land, and thus property owners are enticed to construct on their property as there is little discount for unimproved land.

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Nick,

i too have been intrigued by LVT - i do wonder if its results would be the same in an area with a relatively inexpensive land costs, a relatively small geographic area, and no centralized planning authority.

i dont know.

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one last thing, Portland does some interesting stuff. things that are applicable here. things that are tested. things that are tried. and no, not in a Toronto, NY or even a Boston - its mid sized Portland.

there was an interesting piece i recently saw:

http://www.makingsenseofplacefilms.com/portland.html

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Buffalo is not Toronto, how can the commentators keep mentioning pedestrians and shopping in the Downtown area, there are more vacant properties than places offering merchandise, even the eating establishments are sparse. There is no mention of the pedestrian in winter when the winds are blowing through the wind tunnel created by the lake. Face it no matter which way you look at it, there are very few people willing to invest in the tumblin tumbleweed....

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not sure exactly your point? are you saying that its windy so no one wants to walk or locate themselves in the city?

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same question. i've been to toronto in the winter. not sure they're using it as a selling point either.

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Croce is showing his greed. Lets see, most of the people driving in from the burbs pay for parking, now you want them to pay more. So why not have the businesses move to the burbs thus saving gas and parking(Parking is free). They could pay their employees a bit less and it would be better for the environment. Unfortunately, Mr. Croce, that would leave no one left to enjoy your restaurants.


Anybody who thinks parking policy can change our driving habits is kidding themselves or has another agenda.

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"Downtown businesses do not need free parking, they need access to parking," says Fitzmaurice.

Is this all someone has to say to get their name in print? I'll bet you a month's worth of parking that he hasn't paid to park downtown in a year.

"Buffalo workers currently drive straight from their homes to their convenient, low cost BCAR parking facility, and then straight home again at the end of the day," says Fitzmaurice.

I pay $2.50 a day and have an 8 minute walk to my office, hardly convenient nor a facility unless you call under the Skyway a facility.
I recently went to Rochester and had a three day training at the New York State Health Department, I parked all day for $3 and was a one minute walk from the building. Now I realize that were not Rochester nor are we Toronto as parking board member Michelle Mazzone pointed out. However, if we can come to a sensible solution to keep parking inexpensive and somewhat accessible, that's all we really need. What we should do is get Tanya Perrin-Johnson to get everyone together at the table for this one. The Mayor tells me she's good at rallying warring factions for the common cause.

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Cheap parking will keep the status quo, let the market take care of parking and see what people will pay. Downtown is not successful, yet what real changes are being made? Convenience based on the auto is not what successful cities do, again people here don't want change. If you want transit and a non-autocentric city, your best bet is to move.

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"Downtown is not successful... If you want transit and a non-autocentric city, your best bet is to move."

What are a few examples of U.S. cities reasonably close to Buffalo's size that (according to nick's defintions of these terms) do have "transit" and aren't "auto-centric"?

Also, what's your specific criteria for Buffalo's downtown being "successful"? Obviously it will never be dense enough for you to want to live in Buffalo again, but what exactly would it take to please you from afar?

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As far as cities Buffalo's size with transit and aren't auto-centric, I don't really have examples beyond Portland, I haven't spent enough time in mid-size cities to comment. It may be that cities this size do not and cannot have an integrated mass transit and transportation system based on the demographics. As far as successful for myself, downtowns that are successful must have life beyond 9-5 commuters and shopping that isn't just two block sections of the city. For me its more of a mindset, the ease of life is valued in these smaller places, that's why people live there. I prefer walking to places, taking transit and not being dependent on my car. Whatever, as we've discussed before, that's why I'm not in Buffalo, and my projections on the city are based on my personal desires that could be influenced with policy, but what cannot be changed are peoples attitudes, people get what they want. Where you live is often a lifestyle choice, easy parking and highways are a lifestyle choice prefered in Buffalo, and the trade-offs for these eases of life are readily visible in the city.

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"It may be that cities this size do not and cannot have an integrated mass transit and transportation system based on the demographics."

Ok, so it may be that no matter what Buffalo does it still won't have "transit" or be "non-autocentric" according to your defintions.

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Moving on to successful. If you can't give a few examples of cities reasonably close to Buffalo's size with successful downtowns, it's difficult to understand what you mean by Buffalo's "downtown is not successful".

How about considering ten others? The 5 with metro populations next highest to Buffalo's are Louisville, Richmond, Oklahoma City, Hartford, New Orleans. The 5 next-lowest just below Buffalo are Birmingham, Salt Lake City, Raleigh, Rochester, Tuscon.

Let's add a few more (next five larger than Louisville): Providence, Nashville, Milwaukee, Jacksonville, Memphis. Before you jump on Milwaukee, keep in mind they have no rail public transit, not even a small LR line like Buffalo's. No subway, no light rail; it's buses or nothing in Milwaukee. Nashville, Providence, and Raleigh don't have any rail transit either - just buses. What low self esteem all the public transit users must have in those places.

Anyhow, that's the next ten metros larger than Buffalo's, and the next five smaller.
Which of those downtowns meet your standard of being successful while Buffalo's doesn't?

If all 16 of those downtowns aren't successful, maybe you just dislike downtowns of cities near Buffalo's size. Or maybe not - maybe you'll say some of those meet your definition and your critique will be more constructive.

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While I don't mean to sound snarky, I don't really feel like engaging in an academic arguement that I'm not currently prepared to fight, visiting the cities, understanding their neighborhoods and demographics and researching their policies would all be neccesary to produce an arguement I'd support as fact and utilize for a position on policy. What you're asking could be written as a planning masters thesis, and frankly I don't have the will to do that now that I'm out of academia. My subjective opinion is that with no retail, empty streets, massive empty lots and lack of coherent transportation planning, downtown does not function well. The city formerly functioned in much the same way larger, urban centers function today, but policy, politics and ecomics has undermined the urban core to a point where downtown is only the symbolic heart of the region.

I will turn the questions on my critiques back on you and ask if you feel downtown is successful, and what your criteria are?

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Didn't ask for a thesis, but just some minimal relevant comparison to provide substance. Didn't expect you to have opions about all those downtowns, but one or two positive examples from cities of a similar size would provide substance.

nick>"I will turn the questions on my critiques back on you and ask if you feel downtown is successful, and what your criteria are?"

Without an explanation that includes positve examples, I still can't understand what you mean by successful - hence my attempt to clarfy your critique.

How about places a notch smaller than Buffalo that have even fewer people in their downtowns every day?

If I wrote a blog comment that Syracuse's downtown (or Scranton's, Toledo's, etc.) isn't successful and if I wasn't willing to cite successful downtowns of roughly similar size and say why those are successful, then would my critique mean much?

Wouldn't it be reasonable then for someone from Syracuse, Scranton, or Toledo to ask what I meant? If I had no answer except to point to one West Coast city double the size of their metro (as metro Portland is double metro Buffalo)... they might not consider that a useful constructive explanation.

Generally, as maybe you've noticed, I'm not a "cheerleader" about Buffalo so I don't object to well reasoned external criticism of it.

(Paul - why do you try to lower the level of discourse with ad homenim insults about commenters who have different outlooks than yours?)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

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See, you're looking to quantify successful, cities don't exist purely on numbers, and even if they did, I don't have those to back it up, which would require a thesis of research. I don't understand how you need to have comparisons and a matrix from me to have your own conclusions of success versus failure, I'm sure you have your own opinions.

I explained what I meant, but not in a quantifiable approach which satisfies you, but blogs are opinion based, not research based, and that's what I provided.

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None of my comments above said anything about numbers or data. If you think I was asking for those, then either I communicated very poorly or you imagined things I didn't write.

I simply asked what are any - not a bunch, any (1 or 2 would've answered it) examples of similarly sized, even roughly so, U.S. metros with downtowns you feel are "successful", and what in your _opinion_ makes their DT's successful while you said way above that Buffalo's DT is not successful.

Seemed to me a reasonable question. Wasn't asking for a study, or matrix, or thesis. Maybe are no DT's that meet your standard of success except for those of much bigger metros than Buffalo. If that's the case, that's ok too but I was just wondering. It's all subjective. There's no right or wrong answers.

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'Paul - why do you try to lower the level of discourse with ad homenim insults about commenters who have different outlooks than yours?'


Whatever, you're spoon-feeding definitions on BRO now? (Thanks, my 8th grade education only goes so far.) I wasn't insulting you, so I don't know where you were going with that one.

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On a side note, I really do think this would be a great Doctoral dissertation, coming up with a matrix and compairing US mid-size cities, subdivided into regions and compairing policies etc to see who is successful, of course giving a definition to success that would be up for discussion. If and when I go back to school for my Phd this could be a great course of study.

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Don't worry. I'm sure that Whatever is working on the data right now. Of course, then he would engage you on the true meaning of 'successful' downtown.

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No downtown that has sacrificed half of its real estate for parking is a success.

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I'm with al Labruna, Parking is easy in this city if
1.you are capable of parallel parking (seems to be a lost art).
2.you are somewhat familiar with the streets and public places.
3.you are not driving a ridiculously over sized SUV.

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Yes, trying to find where you parked in a huge parking area can be intimidating. That is why such big lots eventually included markers--good only if a person remembers the need to notice which marker area to home in on--can wear out a battery constantly clicking to have your car beep its whereabouts to you.
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Parking somewhere in the city within blocks of the goal is a very different matter--needs an actual map and a flashlight at night--takes all the fun away.
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Also, your car's beeper doesn't sense your needing to follow a beep when buildings are in its way--and the neighbors would not appreciate your need to beep your way back to your car, especially not at night.
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Yes, the City of Buffalo itself has unique attractions, but, as far as places to eat (or "dine"), all of WNY is well-known for zillions of such great places. Therefore, who would deliberately choose to pay for parking or search far and wide for parking spaces just to eat out?
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And, who would feel their tires were safe on a residential street where homeowners realize where you are going and do not appreciate the beeps or the lost residential parking spaces?
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Downtown Buffalo was not originally forseen to become what it has grown to be, or I am sure the founding fathers would have planned out parking places instead of horse liveries.

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Ring Downtown with parking ramps and ban surface lots within the CBD. Now how hard was that?

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Would legally forcing empty lots to be literally empty be preferrable to allowing parking on them?

I'd bet the prevalence of downtown surface parking lots is a symptom, not the cause, of land they're on not having tall buildings constructed on them. Although surface parking is more lucrative than land sitting empty, is it really more lucrative than what a tall building would yield? (A full tall building, not a near-empty one like the Tishman or Statler).

When Bashar Issa wanted land in downtown for his 40-story City Tower "plan", wasn't he easily able to buy some?

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Banning new surface lots makes sense and compelling owners of existing surface lots to find another use for their properties within a five year timeframe would also make sense. The idea is not to hope for tall towers, but to get those properties on the tax rolls in a meaningful way as well as to force the rebuilding of Downtown. There just isn't enough pressure being put on these owners to do something with their lots. It's time for them to put up or shut up.

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sony>"The idea is not to hope for tall towers, but to get those properties on the tax rolls in a meaningful way as well as to force the rebuilding of Downtown."

Maybe not towers, but if anything 1 or 2 stories was proposed on those lots, there'd be a ton of complaints ("too suburban!", "where's the planning board?", etc.) So they'd have to be pretty tall, and occupant demand would have to be preceived or even committed.

sony>"compelling owners of existing surface lots to find another use for their properties within a five year timeframe would also make sense."

Even if that's legal (changing zoning to disallow parking where it's allowed now), wouldn't the "another use for their properties" you refer to almost always mean the land sits empty? Wouldn't property owners prefer empty land that's at least not losing much money than to lose a ot of money building something for which there's not much market demand?

I don't see how overall market demand can be compelled, just as demand for a near-empty 20-story building like the Tishman can't be compelled.

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Firstly, you begin by defining a tight CBD that encompasses the most viable, built up areas in Downtown. Then you bar new surface lots of any type, parking or vacant, then you compel landowners of these surface lots to either do something meaningful with those properties within a half decade, or lose them in a good ol' fashioned eminent domain seizure. It's about applying pressure on stubborn mules that sit on undeveloped lots to get them building or out of the CBD. There need to be disincentives for that kind of behavior. And don't cry for these guys, this is a metro of over 1 million. There's plenty of opportunity in the CBD for anyone motivated enough to build something- and if it's only 1 or 2 stories high, so be it: those modest "taxpayers" are easily resold and demolished if something better comes up.

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Bass Pro will have plenty of parking. We will be OK.

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LOL!

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The NFTA operates an amazing network of downtown express bus routes from all corners of the Metro Buffalo-Niagara area. I don't think any suburb is without a direct downtown express service.
But why are the routes not well used and people are driving downtown instead? Could it be frequency? Most routes only have two trips into the city in the morning and two out at night.
The only one that seems to have more is the Amherse Park and Ride which see's downtown express service on two routes about every 15 minutes in rush hour.

The NFTA should boost service on these routes, and it probably would reduce the need for parking downtown.
Almost every city that has direct downtown express buses like this have very high ridership on those routes, because they compete well with the car.

So get the NFTA to improve and the need for parking will be reduced.

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This may be a little off topic, but can someone answer the free parking question for me. I am new in town & just started a job downtown. Where exactly can I park free to continue to my working destination? (Main Near Laffayette Square). Is there actually plenty of free parking near Erie Basin Marina? In the past week I've paid $30 a week for parking in Augsburger ramp. Yet, when I think about it, I'm waking up early, going to my gym, and briskwalking on the treadmill 30 minutes.

So I'd rather park somewhere free & walk, or if I'm walking along, a rail comes by & I feel like it, hop on.
This seems as simplistic and no more time-consuming that what I'm doing now, with traffic being unpredictable. I would rather burn the calories & spend the $30 on something else. Thanks for any advice. p.s. the parking issue is what it is...........but I love Buffalo.

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