Buffalo First looks to Bring Local Business to Waterfront
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Leave a commentthe big one I could see making an impact there is a Wegmans (as previously mentioned and because there is no large grocery store downtown), as well as Anderson's ice cream, John's Pizza (or Jims steak out), and spot coffee (if the other one doesn't work out).
Put a wegmans downtown, itcould be a two story urban concept like they have in Va and DC.
Are the 2-story VA/DC designs different than the 2-story designs here in WNY?
Not all the VA stores are 2-story.
Dinosaur BBQ on the waterfront would thrive.
Build it with an outdoor patio where boats can dock.
I love the one in Rochester. It's always packed. Weekdays and weekends.
The Dinosaur BBQ is heading the way of the House of Blues or Red Hot and Blue chains. The entire chain is becoming over commercialized to the point that it felt more like an Applebees or TGIFridays than the original Dino-BBQ the last two times I ate there.
What keeps Buffalo from creating our own attraction? I don't think we ever really sold the concept of Anchor Bar (not saying that they should move to the waterfront), but there are many opportunities out there for an restraunteur or entrepreneur to capitalize on.
I strongly disagree. I've never had a bad chain-like meal at Dino. The food always taste like the original to me.
There are only three locations (Rochester, Syracuse and Harlem) and one in the planning stages for Troy, NY.
Far from a TGIF or Applebees.
I would love to see Dinosaur on Buffalo's waterfront.
I was (still am) a huge Dino fan until I found Donnies Smokehouse. If you want to talk about a strong local business on the water I would love to se Donnies set up shop there. You could have everything you mentioned with the DBBQ idea only have it localy owned and IMO much better bbq.
Totally agree with the dinosaur bbq idea. We need a regional draw so people traffic could thrive 12 months a year. Dinosaur bbq would be packed for all sabres games and concerts to. I wonder if they were testing the market at the taste of buffalo. I haven't heard anyting about it since the bflo rising post a few months ago.(an update would be much appreciated) A barnes and noble would be nice on the water to.
i thought this was to attract small business, not wegmans. so...i'd love to consistantly see a hot dog vendor down there, some sort of bike or water craft rental. maybe fishing pole or fishing boat rentals. what of ballon rides over the water or the outer waterfront.
i'm sure there are many small vendors and business that would offer these services and make some money...our local gov and agencies just need to assist in the process.
No, it was to target LOCAL business. Large or small its great to keep the money inside of WNY. I like all of these ideas.
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How many great local business shops can we fit into the building that was once to be Bass Pro? =)
Wegmans, Dinosaur, and an ice skating rink. A cool Buffalo merchandise store like City Love would be a nice touch. Fishing charters, para-sailing, jet-ski rentals.
Not so much a business idea, but I think it would be good either way...
I went to the Black Crowes concert last night (with what I felt was more people than the last few TatS concerts), and I think if a permanent band shell was built there in the harbor, it would work really well in getting people out there. There'd be a lot less work as far as take down and set up of any sort of equipment that's used now, seeing as there's about 8 concerts a summer now, you could probably just have a concert there every weekend.
Oh, and I had a thought last night on where the are could be modeled after. Universal City in LA sounds like it would be a decent model. I say that because I really want a Howl at the Moon in Buffalo, and this would be the perfect fit for it!
I'd be willing to bet that a restaurant with a sweet deck, boat drinks...a little Jimmy Buffet playing in the background....whether it be Dinosaur BBQ or another place would do great. I for one would be there!
Oh, I just hope there is a bicycling ice cream vendor...(pleasepleaseplease)
The following is the link to the Facebook event page. If anyone would to RSVP - or see who is going:
Hmmmm, something nautical. An Arthur Treacher's?
I think nick at nite has the right idea. Having something like Wegman's or Dinosaur BBQ at least keeps money in NY (and Wegman's in WNY), but I think it's really valuable to give Buffalo Businesses more of a chance. If Anchor Bar doesn't feel like putting down another store in the harbor area, what about Duff's? Or what's stopping us from letting any of the other restaurants in the area to open up a second (or perhaps even a third *coughpizzaplantcough*) restaurant? We have our own flavors. We should strut our stuff.
I like some of the other ideas out there a lot - bike rentals, ice cream vendors, hell, maybe even kayaking?
The key here is that if we support local businesses, then we keep A LOT more money in the community. This can be a real opportunity to turn a part of Buffalo around into a healthy economic site.
F.E.
I always said that Pizza Plant needs a city location and agree that would be a great addition as well! And it keeps the money local.
Great idea for the waterfront meeting - I see that it was quite successful. It's nice to see people becoming active on waterfront issues. Also if anyone is interestd, there will be a follow up meeting regarding similar issues held at the Pearl Street Grill and Brewery. It's a public "open space" meeting so everyone attending will get a chance to share ideas. Here is a link to the meeting invite:
http://www.invitingbuffalo.com/blog/?p=442
I know that they aren't local by any means, but why doesnt Buffalo have a Hard Rock or a Planet Hollywood?
Don't you think that could bring a lot of people to teh waterfront if one of them chose to open up down there?
care to explain?
Those restaurants along with other chains such as Rain Forest Cafe are family oriented establishments. Im not saying to make one of them the staple for the waterfront, but i'm sure it wouldnt hurt bringing people down there
Every major retailer has employees that analyze information based on zip codes including age, income, credit card use, religion, college education, etc. This information factors into whether a retailer finds it worthwhile to enter a geographic market. It's based on number crunching, not faith. So many folks on this website continue to believe that being one of the poorest cities in the country bears no relevance, but it does: retailers won't go where there is no money.
The waterfront may see a Starbucks or a Jamba Juice in addition to BassPro. Other retail will be made up of local businesses and that's not a bad thing because it makes the experience more genuine. Buffalo's waterfront doesn't need to become another series of stores that can be found in every other major city in North America. That doesn't bring visitors.
I should add that after 9/11, stores in tourist areas suffered huge losses because people stopped traveling, none more than the stores around Union Square, San Francisco. Downtown San Francisco depends, to a large extent, on tourist dollars. It took years to get that business back. People aren't traveling now. What do you think that is doing to retail?
Now, add months of rough Buffalo waterfront weather to the equation. (I worked a short stint at Freezer Queen years ago and the winds and cold almost made me an airborne icicle.) A retailer has to be sure of year-round sales, but January and February are challenges in Buffalo. BassPro will help bring people to the waterfront, but retailers will want to see how the numbers play out there before they even think about coming there.
If the waterfront can guarantee many thousands of people every day of the year, then retailers will take notice. In the meantime, local businesses, residential and simple amenities will do wonders for the area.
Pizza Plant? Possibly, but if Pizza Plant ever wants to add a city location they'd probably get a lot more customers year round if they located in the North Buffalo portion of Delaware Ave than they would in downtown or near the waterfront.
Hard Rock or Planet Hollywood? As Paul said, those won't happen. There'd be nowhere near enough customer flow in terms of quantity and upscaleness.
Wegmans? Sounds very far fetched too. Wegmans.com lists new locations they're planning or considering in VA, MD, PA, and MA, and it also says they're not planning to add any new stores in NY state (only upgrades of existing stores).
http://tinyurl.com/wegmans-new-stores
Since Buffalo is part of NY state, that implies they aren't interested for now in even thinking about adding a new store here. And even if they change their mind about that, the waterfront or downtown aren't the kinds of locations they select for thier stores.
Of course Wegmans shouldnt open up by the waterfront, but if they were to open anywhere in the city (even though they wont), it should be a smaller scale store in the AM&As development. If not wegmans, some type of grocery store needs to go there. It would be so much easier on those residents when the temperatures reach the single didgets in the winter time, plus people would look at the properties more if they saw how convenient it could be to pick up a few things for a meal right downstairs
A Dash's market might be an appropriate fit for downtown with its present demographics.
If Bass Pro happens, then there'd likely be enough customer flow nearby for a (local or national) restaurant similar in size to a Pizza Plant. I'm not saying that to justify taxpayer subsidy to Bass Pro. I'm against that. But if it happens, their store will help attract enough customers year round who also might want to eat and drink.
You're right. BassPro is a destination retailer that people will drive miles to visit repeatedly. I'm not against taxpayer subsidies for the pioneers -- of any type -- into an area to turn it around. The best example is the subsidy to Disney in order to turn around 42nd Street in New York City. It set the stage for everything else to happen. Once an area begins to grow, subsidies should be eliminated.
BassPro may bring business to the waterfront area but ultimately the revenue generated there will go to BassPro's corporate headquarters in Missiouri and have no further effect on Buffalo. We should be pushing to invest our dollars into an enterprise owned and operated in Buffalo where the money can circulate and remain in this region. The days of economic development programs used simply as a means of subsidizing large corporations to set up satelittes have proven to be a failure in the long run. They are short-sighted, lazy attempts to woo the public into thinking one single company can save the region, when this is almost certainly not possible by any stretch of the imagination.
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a book shop and a coffee shop would be a damn good start!