Wingate vs. Ciminelli: Another View
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Leave a commentHe is correct that Buffalo needs to take some risks and our architecture needs to incorporate local design asthetics and materials.
One way to accomplish this is to create district architectural zoning master plan. For instance:
1) an expansion of the Air & Naval Park to incorporate local naval history such as the Canadiana Bridge, LaSalles Griffon, Perry's 1812 Battle of Lake Erie Flagship, a typical Canal Barge and Lake Freight Schooner.
2) a theme for LaSalle Park where 3 of the Pan Am Gateway Entances could be rebuilt at south, north and east.
3) declare the 12 city blocks between the library and the old Post Office as the ECC downtown campus...and put design guidelines on it.
5) declare boundaries for Center for Life Sciences
4) declare old Buffalo and New Buffalo. Old Buffalo between Niagara and Main Street maximizing historical preservation and architectural guidelines for infill.
5) New Buffalo on the eastside between Main and Fillmore all the way to the Larkin Preservation District.
6) Come up with district boundaries for old Buffalo and new Buffalo for the First Ward, Inner and Outer Harbor.
7) declare a larger longer term Erie Canal Wharf District Master Plan that includes the replacement of the marina towers and the incorporation of the DL&W.
8) declare a Master plan for the are between Niagara Street and the Niagara River all the way up to the Peace Bridge.
9) Maximize the authenticity of historic districts be recobbling and rebricking sidestreets in declared historic districts.
This opens up plenty of opportunity for the various forms of modern architecture...and it opens up plenty of opportunity for historic preservation and even reconstructing major architectural landmarks.
It would end the battle of preservationists opposing contemporary and modern infill. Plus it could end the battle of demolition by neglect if property owners know that their property could be seized or a period building of the same size or greater, similar style and similar materials would need to be constructed there.
Lastly, it would maximize Buffalo's architectural integrity putting us first rate in the nation for certain periods of architecture....while providing the opportunity for Buffalo to be first rate in modern architecture also.
Of course...to truly bring new Buffalo online...the light rail must go to Amherst and the Central Terminal and the Airport.
Ciminelli's design was ambitious but not bold. Taller isn't bolder and glass isn't risk taking. It looks no different than anything you would see in Jacksonville or Charolette. Suburban skyscraper at best is all it really is. Mr. Zyscovich has great portfolio, one that is far more impressive than any of our firms in WNY.
I do agree Buffalo has a lot to learn about architecture of the 21st century. Unfortunately those in charge don't have a clue. That and the greased palm way of doing business will keep us in the 20th century for a long time to come.
Sullivan didn't design the Guaranty building to look like everything else in Buffalo so why do have that mentallity today when it comes to our archtecture?
Totally agree. Not only is Buffalo stuck in the 20th century, there are too many folks who want to rebuild the previous centuries.
Jowoski has a sound, worldly approach. It's interesting he's coming from an Amsterdam perspective. The waterfront of Amsterdam, developing into one of the greatest in the world, achieves design quality with a boldly human scale and a modern extension of the city's historic building stock. Zyscovich is right on by starting with this approach in his re-design. I wish his team the best of luck tomorrow!
Elena, can we look forward to a Wingate update on BRO?
The Ciminelli proposal could always be redesigned and refined to engage some of the more critical aesthetic concerns but it is essentially an urbanist design while the Wingate is essentially a suburban one. And saying that a four story suburban motel is good for the waterfront because it allows neighboring structures to maintain their views is nonsense: why not a one or two story motel? Even better, right? Festooning the Wingate with "modern" spandrels and such doesn't make it any less insignificant. Buffalo needs a waterfront profile, not an empty gesture.
No just leave it a grassy patch- that'll preserve everyone's view.
Is Pitts for real? He wants the parcel and then we're supposed to trust him that him that we'll get a better design? Pitts, the public tells it likes it is too (except Hawley- he's in Brown's arse)- four stories and the current design sucks.
Let's first see what emerges from tomorrow's presentation to the Planning Board. Undoubtedly the evolution has been away from suburban motel to an urban design that celebrates its location and creates an argument for the right build-out for Erie Basin, and Erie Street in particular.
I'm a convert. My first words when the Pitts/Specialty proposal emerged was: "Let's storm the Bastille!" I'm confident Zyscovich's proposal can sway other reasonable, urban-minded people as well!
I'll be there in the morning - will let you know what happens.
Sounds like someone is angling for the head of planning position!
Sorry, but his tastes are not shared by everyone. Nice for him that he lives in Amsterdam, a great town, but half the people in buffalo now live someplace else, so what? The Pitts proposal, unless it changes dramatically, still looks like a suburban wingate motel with a design stuck to the exterior. If it looks like a duck , quacks like a duck then guess what...
It's difficult to take this guy seriously with the Elvis Costello picture.
I think he came back because he heard Brad Wales had been impersonating him.
Appreciate his incites on the project, though.
When can we expect a comprehensive plan for this area? The original RFP should be discarded and new ones should be issued encompassing the entire erie basin/waterfront village area. A reconfigured Erie St should ideally be apart of any new plans for the area. What time is this meeting today?
The problem is a hotel shouldn't be built here at all right now. The only reason they're doing it is to prop up the crappy restaurant next door. There are far more appropriate locations that would have a greater positive impact upon the surrounding community. Neither should be built.
the face of ninja smoke! If the win-gate is that much better why don't you marry it?
Sorry Ken, but it still looks like a parking ramp. There are those out there that love the concrete bunker brutalism bit - please not on our waterfront. This is not progressive... it's garbage. Still friends?
First off, i still cant get over how this proposal is being shoved down everyones throats, and the far superior one just got shoved aside like this was the plan all along. Second of all, if i recall, this proposal is only going to bring in a fraction of the annual tax revenue the Ciminelli project would have, not including the tax credits the Pittstop is asking for, which Ciminelli was not. Third of all, this project isnt even mixed use, were building a friggn ugly ass hotel on the waterfront, to prop up a restaurant that should be able to stand on its own. Thats what this whole debacle is all about. I would rather the city just give money to Shanghai Red's to keep them in business and let the people have the project they want. Fourth of all, it does look like a bunker and a parking ramp, so who gives a **** what color it is, because it doesnt matter. ...
Unreal!!!
Is there a rendering available of the "softened" look that the Planning Board gave a 4 to 1 approval of today?
"Softened"? Is that what they're calling it? Oh, boy. Stand by. Coming later...
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Mr. Zyscovich is talented but can he provide a worthwhile design in a 'training wheels' environment? The Ciminelli design was bold by comparison and that's the problem.
Buffalo keeps settling for mediocrity in architecture/design as if it never really matters anymore. 'Just get it built' is the too common refrain. I'd be interested to read Mr. Jaworski's comments regarding what Buffalo can learn from the adventurous new designs of houses/communities in his adopted city. I've spent some time in Amsterdam and it's a community that seems to embrace change with an eye on the modern aesthetic. It's come a long way from its stereotypical Dutch heritage.