City June 15, 2009 6:30 PM

Wingate vs. Ciminelli: Another View

Wingate vs. Ciminelli: Another View
Meet Kenneth Jaworski.  Kenneth is a Buffalo Ex-Pat, and runs an Amsterdam-based Interior and Graphic Design firm. He's also an artist and all-around purveyor of dead-on aesthetics and taste...depending on your taste.

In the For What It's Worth department (albeit more for some of you, less for others) I met Jaworski last week when he was in town for the dual purpose of a Nichols reunion and scoping out material for a Buffalo guide book he'll be putting out in 2010.  Jaworski has been living in Holland for the last 9 years, designing and picking up vast amounts of culture and knowledge from all over Europe and beyond.  He describes architecture in Amsterdam as a vibrant thing, saying he lives "amidst the ongoing progression of architecture in all of its potential."

Jaworski caught up with me in Sweetness_7 soon after I'd talked to Wingate architect Bernard Zyscovich and developer James Pitts.  As he spoke to me about his neighborhood in Holland, densely built in eclectic ways - a neighborhood that according to him "didn't exist 5 years ago because it was all water," an idea struck me.  I called up two images on my computer - that of the Ciminelli proposal for a waterfront hotel, and the Wingate re-do Zyscovich designed.  I asked Jaworski if he knew about the proposals and he didn't (he's a BR reader, but apparently in a spotty fashion).

Eager for his reaction, I turned my screen toward him and asked him to pick.  It was a dirty trick to play on an Ex-Pat, but I felt his wealth of experience qualified him to offer an informed opinion as an ex-Buffalonian (he of the "Two Nations, One Bridge" slogan and campaign), an artist, a man of the world and a designer of interiors and facades.  I had no idea what to expect.

First, his knee-jerk reaction, then his elaboration as I brought him up to speed on the projects background.  And yes, I did send him back through the archives for some research reading.

Without giving it a full endorsement in its present form, Jaworski picked the Wingate, almost immediately dismissing the Ciminelli design as looking like a glass tower dropped on the waterfront, sandwiched by an Amherst medical building.  By way of explanation, Jaworski felt that the Ciminelli design went after faux-modern without paying homage to the area or Buffalo's rich architectural history.  

"You have to understand the vernacular of the city and the waterfrontand reinterpret it in a modern construction," Jaworski said. "God is in the details, with relationship of layers, scale and design.  This proposal has none of these elements." 

What about the Wingate?  Acording to Ken, Zyscovich hasn't gone far enough with the interior/exterior aspect of the layered design.  "Zyscovich hasn't won any risk-taking prizes with his design, but he could continue to develop it where it needs to go. A hotel on the waterfront doesn't have to be the next Martin house, but it has to be visually exciting, and I believe this design has that potential."

Jaworski said there are so many things that can be done today with innovative and "green" materials and so forth in looking for the wow factor of design, but he also said that he thought Zyscovich had at least started the dialogue on style.  "A safe proposal is more likely to be built.  I hope I'm seeing a safe starting point that will get toned up, rather than something that started 'up' and will get toned down," he said.  

On that note, Pitts has said that he has sunk thousands of dollars into design, and as the designated developer (who has had drawings done and redone along with sending to Chicago for materials to show the planning board), he'll talk about redesigns as part of the process once he and Specialty are approved to build the Wingate.  Pitts, who has also said, "Look, I don't bull****, and that's probably one of the reasons some people don't like me - because I tell it like it is," has said that he's willing to listen, willing to work at a design more people will like, but that he's not ready to throw any more good money after a "maybe".

For his part, Zyscovich has said that he had no idea new colors were being introduced, as per this Buffalo News story.  "Color samples, designs back and forth," Zyscovich said.  "It's not surprising that people have issue with color and the contextual elements, but surrounding the issue is a way to find the center."  Zyscovich said he answered the assignment to look like brick Buffalo," but that there's room for change.  Still, he says, "I believe in what we've put forward and the way it addresses the water.  It's the 1st of, hopefully, a number of buildings that will fit a blue print for the future.  It's not the end piece; it's the first piece."  

Zyscovich also said that it would be a big help if the city could get the master plan in place, and that he would love to help the city toward those ends.  He has allowed for the original street grid and the restoration of Erie Street.

"Buffalo is on training wheels again," Jaworski said.  "It's a good opportunity to understand the vernacular and reinterpret it with modern construction and modern designs.  You need people who are expert at incorporating the past into fresh buildings of today." Jaworski invites us to think of the waterfront in terms of the Memorial Aud, saying that one needs to see the ice from the orange seats.  "The topography needs to be respected in that the waterfront should be looked at as a valley, with the city center being the highest peak.  Then everyone has a good seat, with proper density and rhythm throughout.  I call this urban topography, and I believe that needs to be respected here."

Pitts is bringing his proposal before the planning board again tomorrow.  

Jaworski, who says he left for Amsterdam thinking that when he came back there would be a signature bridge to cross, asks, "What is important enough to prevent progress?  Do the people involved in this decision have the power to do anything rather than hold things up?"  He says that too often personal lives changed in small details becomes the guiding force, and makes note of the fact that in Holland, a democratic mixed group of well informed people who can speak expertly and intelligently to an issue are charged with carrying out plans. "They need to be 'in it' and understand," he says.

Ultimately, Jaworski believes that in order to have a reinflux of brainy youth, Buffalo needs to take some risks.  "The willingness to make a big leap into the future will offend some, but make a large percentage happy.  A risk, but a a very well thought out and well executed risk, can be inherently beautiful in its execution.  You have to ask, 'Is this something we're doing for us right now, or is this something for our children?'"





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Mr. Zyscovich is talented but can he provide a worthwhile design in a 'training wheels' environment? The Ciminelli design was bold by comparison and that's the problem.


Buffalo keeps settling for mediocrity in architecture/design as if it never really matters anymore. 'Just get it built' is the too common refrain. I'd be interested to read Mr. Jaworski's comments regarding what Buffalo can learn from the adventurous new designs of houses/communities in his adopted city. I've spent some time in Amsterdam and it's a community that seems to embrace change with an eye on the modern aesthetic. It's come a long way from its stereotypical Dutch heritage.

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He is correct that Buffalo needs to take some risks and our architecture needs to incorporate local design asthetics and materials.

One way to accomplish this is to create district architectural zoning master plan. For instance:
1) an expansion of the Air & Naval Park to incorporate local naval history such as the Canadiana Bridge, LaSalles Griffon, Perry's 1812 Battle of Lake Erie Flagship, a typical Canal Barge and Lake Freight Schooner.

2) a theme for LaSalle Park where 3 of the Pan Am Gateway Entances could be rebuilt at south, north and east.

3) declare the 12 city blocks between the library and the old Post Office as the ECC downtown campus...and put design guidelines on it.

5) declare boundaries for Center for Life Sciences

4) declare old Buffalo and New Buffalo. Old Buffalo between Niagara and Main Street maximizing historical preservation and architectural guidelines for infill.

5) New Buffalo on the eastside between Main and Fillmore all the way to the Larkin Preservation District.

6) Come up with district boundaries for old Buffalo and new Buffalo for the First Ward, Inner and Outer Harbor.

7) declare a larger longer term Erie Canal Wharf District Master Plan that includes the replacement of the marina towers and the incorporation of the DL&W.

8) declare a Master plan for the are between Niagara Street and the Niagara River all the way up to the Peace Bridge.

9) Maximize the authenticity of historic districts be recobbling and rebricking sidestreets in declared historic districts.

This opens up plenty of opportunity for the various forms of modern architecture...and it opens up plenty of opportunity for historic preservation and even reconstructing major architectural landmarks.

It would end the battle of preservationists opposing contemporary and modern infill. Plus it could end the battle of demolition by neglect if property owners know that their property could be seized or a period building of the same size or greater, similar style and similar materials would need to be constructed there.

Lastly, it would maximize Buffalo's architectural integrity putting us first rate in the nation for certain periods of architecture....while providing the opportunity for Buffalo to be first rate in modern architecture also.

Of course...to truly bring new Buffalo online...the light rail must go to Amherst and the Central Terminal and the Airport.

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Ciminelli's design was ambitious but not bold. Taller isn't bolder and glass isn't risk taking. It looks no different than anything you would see in Jacksonville or Charolette. Suburban skyscraper at best is all it really is. Mr. Zyscovich has great portfolio, one that is far more impressive than any of our firms in WNY.

I do agree Buffalo has a lot to learn about architecture of the 21st century. Unfortunately those in charge don't have a clue. That and the greased palm way of doing business will keep us in the 20th century for a long time to come.

Sullivan didn't design the Guaranty building to look like everything else in Buffalo so why do have that mentallity today when it comes to our archtecture?

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Totally agree. Not only is Buffalo stuck in the 20th century, there are too many folks who want to rebuild the previous centuries.

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Jowoski has a sound, worldly approach. It's interesting he's coming from an Amsterdam perspective. The waterfront of Amsterdam, developing into one of the greatest in the world, achieves design quality with a boldly human scale and a modern extension of the city's historic building stock. Zyscovich is right on by starting with this approach in his re-design. I wish his team the best of luck tomorrow!

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Elena, can we look forward to a Wingate update on BRO?

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The Ciminelli proposal could always be redesigned and refined to engage some of the more critical aesthetic concerns but it is essentially an urbanist design while the Wingate is essentially a suburban one. And saying that a four story suburban motel is good for the waterfront because it allows neighboring structures to maintain their views is nonsense: why not a one or two story motel? Even better, right? Festooning the Wingate with "modern" spandrels and such doesn't make it any less insignificant. Buffalo needs a waterfront profile, not an empty gesture.

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No just leave it a grassy patch- that'll preserve everyone's view.

Is Pitts for real? He wants the parcel and then we're supposed to trust him that him that we'll get a better design? Pitts, the public tells it likes it is too (except Hawley- he's in Brown's arse)- four stories and the current design sucks.

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Let's first see what emerges from tomorrow's presentation to the Planning Board. Undoubtedly the evolution has been away from suburban motel to an urban design that celebrates its location and creates an argument for the right build-out for Erie Basin, and Erie Street in particular.

I'm a convert. My first words when the Pitts/Specialty proposal emerged was: "Let's storm the Bastille!" I'm confident Zyscovich's proposal can sway other reasonable, urban-minded people as well!

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I'll be there in the morning - will let you know what happens.

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Sounds like someone is angling for the head of planning position!

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Sorry, but his tastes are not shared by everyone. Nice for him that he lives in Amsterdam, a great town, but half the people in buffalo now live someplace else, so what? The Pitts proposal, unless it changes dramatically, still looks like a suburban wingate motel with a design stuck to the exterior. If it looks like a duck , quacks like a duck then guess what...

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It's difficult to take this guy seriously with the Elvis Costello picture.

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I think he came back because he heard Brad Wales had been impersonating him.


Appreciate his incites on the project, though.

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When can we expect a comprehensive plan for this area? The original RFP should be discarded and new ones should be issued encompassing the entire erie basin/waterfront village area. A reconfigured Erie St should ideally be apart of any new plans for the area. What time is this meeting today?

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The problem is a hotel shouldn't be built here at all right now. The only reason they're doing it is to prop up the crappy restaurant next door. There are far more appropriate locations that would have a greater positive impact upon the surrounding community. Neither should be built.

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the face of ninja smoke! If the win-gate is that much better why don't you marry it?

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Sorry Ken, but it still looks like a parking ramp. There are those out there that love the concrete bunker brutalism bit - please not on our waterfront. This is not progressive... it's garbage. Still friends?

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First off, i still cant get over how this proposal is being shoved down everyones throats, and the far superior one just got shoved aside like this was the plan all along. Second of all, if i recall, this proposal is only going to bring in a fraction of the annual tax revenue the Ciminelli project would have, not including the tax credits the Pittstop is asking for, which Ciminelli was not. Third of all, this project isnt even mixed use, were building a friggn ugly ass hotel on the waterfront, to prop up a restaurant that should be able to stand on its own. Thats what this whole debacle is all about. I would rather the city just give money to Shanghai Red's to keep them in business and let the people have the project they want. Fourth of all, it does look like a bunker and a parking ramp, so who gives a **** what color it is, because it doesnt matter. ...
Unreal!!!

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Is there a rendering available of the "softened" look that the Planning Board gave a 4 to 1 approval of today?

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"Softened"? Is that what they're calling it? Oh, boy. Stand by. Coming later...

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