Real Estate June 18, 2009 9:11 AM

Construction Watch: Allentown Lofts

Construction Watch: Allentown Lofts

Work continues at the Allentown Lofts conversion project on Virginia Street between Elmwood and Delaware avenues.  Ten live-work units are planned- eight units will be single-level and two will be duplexes.  The one and two-bedroom units will average 2,000 sq.ft. and include approximately 1,300 sq.ft. of open and flexible live/work space.  Live-work units provide work and housing space, ideal for the needs of small businesses and artists. Rent will start at $1,400/month.  With the building located in the NYS Empire Zone, tenants can benefit from operating their business from home.

Kissling Interests purchased the 22,000 sq.ft., four-story Allentown proeprty in October 2006. The circa-1924 building at one time housed the National Casket Company.

Exterior improvements include a new steel and glass entryway on the east elevation, replacement of existing windows with aluminum-clad wood windows, and new and larger window openings in the basement.  A rooftop terrace and enclosed parking will be available.  Silvestri Architects PC is the architect and Peyton Barlow is overseeing construction.

Kissling purchased its first local building in May 1999 and has been buying historic apartment buildings primarily located on or near Delaware Avenue since.  The firm now has twenty residential properties with nearly 1,000 units in Buffalo, owns three commercial buildings, and has a similar work/live project planned in North Tonawanda.  The company has been in the real estate business since its inception, purchasing and operating property in and around Manhattan for over 130 years.

Allentown Lofts will be open during the Downtown Housing Tour on Saturday June 27th from noon until 3 pm. 

Get Connected: Kissling, 716.853.2787

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Photos by Glenn E. Murray, Esq

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Have any lofts downtown been available for purchase or is it still a renter market only?

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So far as I know, renters only.

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Biniszkiewicz, is there no interest or do developers think the prices would be too high for anyone to commit to purchase? What would it take to change that dynamic?

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It takes funding sources and restrictions on such sources. You can use hist. credits and what not for commercial developments but not condo. In order to renovate these structures it takes a lot of money to make the project work and these credits are necessary because of our generally lower rents. I could be wrong but condo's would need to be able to sell at a high enough price to cover all renovations costs plus any profit for the developer... and those prices wouldn't be high enough to warrant the investment.

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from what i understand they rehab the buildings rent them for a few years (maybe 5-10) then once they've recouped much of their original invest or after the expiration on the tax credits occurs they sell the units as condos. also once the apartments etc that were new 10 years ago become more dated they'll be sold as condos, i could be wrong but that is what my impression has been

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I'd still like to know if they plan on removing the fake stone facing on the first floor front of the building.

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theREALsbrof is right. A developer can't access the funding for condos that he/she can for rentals. I don't know what the real market is for purchase of lofts. There aren't many lofts available, even for rent. Much of the rental product is really conventional apartment style units. I'm curious to see how the Whitney Place units do, given that they are priced affordably (though they are not lofts, they hit a target price which many find attractive).


Another impediment, aside from funding, is scale: It's not a money maker, generally speaking, to convert a small project (8 units, say) and then sell it (though again the Whitney project is interesting in this regard). One needs economy of scale if units are to be sold off. No developers I've spoken with are willing to take the substantial risk of tackling a large conversion for condo use.


A bit of hearsay: I'm told Paladino claims he won't build new condos again. Says the waterfront cost him $275/square foot to build, but the market rate is stuck at $225/sf and he's eating the $50/sf shortfall with each sale. Hearsay, but I wonder if anyone could confirm or enlighten.

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Thanks for insight, Biniszkiwicz. Is this, perhaps, a matter of the quality of the end product? Mr. Paladino's waterfront condos look cheap. (I know others will disagree with me ad nauseum, but I don't think his condos are worth any price.) If someone hired the right architect to build or rehab, wouldn't it peel off some of the high-end folks who won't settle for less and may be waiting for a good building? Isn't The Avant a good example?

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I'm in real estate, but only commercial, so I don't have a feel for what buyers are seeking. I don't know if the right lofty product would appeal. The Avant's success is encouraging. There is a market for some kind of downtown condo. I would think good lofts would be appealing and unique enough, but I don't know in the end.


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I'm very familiar with the neighborhood and was one of the first to note the story.

http://www.hotbuffalo.com/index.php/2008/07/29/allentown-lofts/

and...

http://www.hotbuffalo.com/index.php/2008/12/10/allentown-lofts-construction-begins/

There is a large difference in the rents than was calculated previously. Originally the rent was going to be around $2,100. Now it's set for $1,400. You can expect the price to go up after a lease.

Note that this is billed as "Live/Work" and not "Apartments". They may have gotten different credits for this being marked as "Work" also.

Lastly, if sold, each unit would go quite easily for $200k+ More than likely they would probably be in the $220k or more. While this is not on the waterfront, these units are one of the few set of lofts where you can walk to just about anything and everything. Groceries, restaurants, Shea's, movie theater, Festivals, parks. In my opinion, there really isn't a more more "urban professional" location.

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