City May 11, 2009 1:00 PM

Therapeutic Demolition... really?

Therapeutic Demolition... really?
Did you happen to hear that The National Trust for Historic Preservation named Buffalo one of the 2009 Dozen Distinctive Destinations. Did you know that the National Preservation Conference will be hosted in Buffalo in 2011? Did anyone tell The City these things? I just got back from witnessing a 'therapeutic demo' underway at Saint Mary's Church on the Hill. That sounds so reassuring - therapeutic? That means that pretty much everything but the walls are coming down. The bell tower is on its way out, the gable is gone, the roof imploded (more) and Buffalo has pretty much lost another one of its architecturally significant architecture trophies... except for the walls, which may or may not come down (see back story).

What really gets me is that too few people know what the hell is going on. As I stood there talking to the therapeutic demo team, Councilman David Rivera walked up and clearly had no knowledge of the significance of the demo. How does the Councilman for the district not know what is happening? How much is coming down? Apparently he was not told that the bell tower was going to be coming down. Or the gable. Or what is going to be saved, or what is un-savable. The demo crew informed me that the roof took a turn for the worse over the weekend and partially collapsed... more. Of course The City needs to protect the neighborhood from a dangerous scenario. But David actually thought that the church was going to be saved for the most part - until the demo crew informed him otherwise. He had originally assumed that a therapeutic demo would maintain the integrity of the church. "Now they are giving us the worst case scenario," David told me. "The City was trying to demolish the building months earlier. The City's position was that it already lost a million dollars on The Jersey Livery Stable. It doesn't want to spend that money again. We tried to prolong this by holding the owners accountable. Otherwise the building would have been demolished months ago. I wish The City worked with us more closely. I am the one branch of The City. There is another side of The City. I can be an advocate... I can lobby... but there are other branches that I have to work with. They don't want to spend City money on private buildings."

So what happens when the owner is not held accountable? The City should look at these historic structures as investments in our future, not liabilities. Nobody wants to spend City money on a building that is owned privately. How much is The City's surplus again? I would think that there would be cases that justify spending some of that money to protect our historic architectural stock that continues to get so much national press. These owners never intended to do anything with the building, and should have been called out a long time ago. Obviously housing court only buys time for the owners to claim the property is at risk to the community. Demolition by neglect? The owner should have had serious pressure applied. Instead, David told me that the owner was hard to find. Oh well. Out of sight, out of mind. From David: 

"The previous owner went through and took out the supports that held up the roof. They replaced the beams with 2x4s. It looks like they stripped it. So why would the current owner buy the building? The only time that we were able to speak to anyone was when they were brought into court. I didn't know that they were taking down the bell tower until today. That's the first that I heard of that. I had been told that there was going to be a therapeutic demolition - the bell tower was a surprise.

"Now I'm very concerned. I feel sick and aggravated. How are buildings in the city of Buffalo allowed to get into this shape? It's a lack of code enforcement. It's a serious, serious problem. If you take on the inspection department you step on toes. I don't mind doing that. We stepped in front of bulldozers at The Livery. In the past, the City departments have worked with me. Unfortunately, The City looks at this in the terms of dollars and cents. I'm trying to get some answers from the owner. These types of owners buy buildings and then they sit on them. They are speculators. I'm not trying to put the administration down, I want to work with them. I need to make some phone calls."

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This building has the wrong therapist.

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While its great that the Trust named Buffalo as one of the Dozen Distinctive Destinations, this type of action, along with the response of the city has led Buffalo to become known as a demolition-happy city. The best example of this is Brian Higgins not being chosen to sponsor a house bill that would revamp the historic tax credit program in favor of a congress woman from a district seen as pro-preservation.

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Probably in everybodys best interest that Higgy was not given any preservation responsibility. All he wants to preserve are waterfront highways and the status quo.
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The way I see it there is a very simple way to prevent demolition by neglect. When a building owner starts to let his property rot cite him and drag him to court. If he or she are "tough to get ahold of" then the city should take ownership of the property at the owners expence. If they skip town or what have you, put out a warrent for their arrest. We have to get tough on the people who are letting our citys heritage rot away. That will prevent a lot of the hostile neglect.

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Its because the Preservation Board is a misstep in the city. What exactly are they good for? Lovely meetings and pats on the collective backs with no real mitigation of what the city holds dear as buildings to be preserved. Isn't Garrett on the Preservation Board? Don't they have the last say on demolitions? Isn't Teelman on the Preservation Board? There's your final answer. They give their dictums and forget about the rest. Done, done and done. Excuse me, Pilate, would you please pass the wash basin?

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Actually, no, the Preservation Board does not have the final say when it comes to demolition permits. Can't have that, silly, buildings might actually get saved. They have only the right to *review* demo permits and make a Yea or Nay recommendation. And then their recommendations can be overruled by Council or the Mayor.

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Obviously we don't have the final say on demolitions.

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Mayor Brown:

Congratulations on the announcement of your candidacy for Mayor. Under your watch, we have seen our city disappear little by little, with the resulting tax burden shifted to those who try to improve their own neighborhoods. Should you be elected, what will we have left in another four years? Is this just the start of your attack on this neighborhood, a means to justify what could happpen should the Peace Bridge Authority cram their plaza into it, forever taking with $600+K in yearly property taxes?

Please do us a favor and realise you have made a mistake, many mistakes, and rescind your candidacy. You cite a budget surplus as one of the successes of your administration while our community crumbles & the streets do not get cleaned. Slowly, under your watch, we see this once great city being turned into a wasteland.

And now this... Keep up the good work. You really know how to run the city, right into the ground, literally.

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So, how was Brown responsible for this? Why not Rivera or the Preservation Bored? You people are pitiful.

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Neither the councilman (this one or past) nor the Preservation Board writes properties for Housing Court. This is our only tool to go after owners who are letting their properties decline. The Inspections Department reports up through the Mayor's office. This one finally made it into Housing Court after years of complaints - but obviously way too late. Now we are fighting an owner and mother nature.

We had an inspector in this neighborhood who refused to write properties for housing court for 7 years - he has recently been replaced by an inspector who appears to be much much better.

This building should have been in Housing Court years ago when we would have had a much better chance at reversing the damage. The battle isn't over with this one yet but it's certainly much tougher circumstances than it would have been if we could have gotten this into court several years ago.

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I've cared very much about this building since first being alerted last year that it was in jeopardy: http://archives.buffalorising.com/story/demolition_threat_to_st_marys


But even more so now that it's one of my neighbors. A couple of weeks ago, when I moved to town, the building was still intact, and I was impressed with how well it had survived the winter -- and was cautiously optimistic for what this year might have in store. But having been there this morning, and seeing its condition as pictured, I may be in need of some therapeutic intervention myself.


This is especially outrageous as, like David Rivera, I had been led to believe that the work going on at St. Mary's was necessary and would not be as extensive as revealed here. In fact, although I can't serve as anyone's spokesperson, I believe the local perservation community had the same understanding. And it's no state secret that Economic Development Commissioner Brian Reilly has suggested that resources (perhaps through the City's stimulus funding request) would be available for the preservation of *this* building.


Furthermore, I have questions about whether the proper procedures were followed in authorizing action this drastic and extensive to go forward -- vis a vis housing court and the preservation board. But that will be for those more versed in those ins and outs to determine.


What I do know is that this building survived a very difficult winter that we were not certain it would survive. Everyone agreed that it needed to be preserved. There have been significant efforts by responsible community leaders this year to get the building into responsible hands who would indeed preserve it for reuse. And strong suggestions of additional funding have been held out.


In light of this, the actions taken against this building over the last two weeks appear to be way out of bounds, unnecessary, potentially improper, and contrary to community understanding -- an outrageous assault on Our Fair City's priceless historic resources.

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another travesty for Buffalo!

It will never shake its mortality if it cannot differentiate good from bad and chooses red light cameras over property code enforcement

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The "back story" linked above quotes Harvey Garret saying this:

"...City Hall is legally responsible if something happens to someone due to the building's weakened condition.
It's a battle of time.
The building could last a day, or it could last three weeks or more.
We need to save the property by finding a new owner...
Now the time line depends on the building.
It could fall down tomorrow. The City inspectors are checking it every day.
As soon as the bricks start to fall, then we've lost the battle."


So in February, Harvey estimated 3 weeks or more as the upper portion of its life span.


That was almost 3 months ago, well beyond the 3 weeks he estimated.


After the previous back story in February, did anybody step forward with an offer to buy this building and rehab it? Did any group of concerned people chip in their savings to buy it as a partnership? Was their offer rejected by the owners, or did an offer never happen?

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We had some potential interested buyers but then the current owner hired a local construction firm to shore up the roof - so the buyers were waiting for this to be completed. Obviously all the recent high winds beat us to it.

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A million dollars of tax $$$$ on the livery while Mr. Penhurst Resident gets to keep it? Someone please explain how this works! Tell me it ain't so!

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In response to how the past owner of the Livery got away with not paying for the work we did on his building with tax payer money - he was never charged with anything in Housing Court by the Inspections Department (despite several years of documented complaints to the Mayor's compliant line) so the Court didn't have any fines or jail time to hold over him. Yes it has been transferred to a new owner but the new owner isn't going to have to pay for damage caused by the previous owner.

This inspector has finally been moved to another neighborhood (South Buffalo I believe) and he's been replaced with an inspector who is meeting with neighborhood groups, writing properties for court (or working with the owners to fix things when possible), and dealing professionally with everyone so I do see things improving. But we will be living with the results of the past seven years for a long time to come. Again - this building didn't start falling apart two weeks ago - it's been abandoned with a hole in the roof for years.

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Harvey>"We had some potential interested buyers but then the current owner hired a local construction firm to shore up the roof - so the buyers were waiting for this to be completed. Obviously all the recent high winds beat us to it."


I understand. I was just surprised that anybody was surprised or shocked. Reading what you said in February's BR post sounds to me like you were preparing people by saying a purchaser-savior needed to move very quick (within 3 weeks) or this exact thing would happen due to public safety. And then about 3 months, not weeks but months, later that very thing happened and people are shocked and blame City Hall.


Is one way of summing this up that Buffalo's supply of buildings like this one just way bigger than the number of serious economically viable re-use probabilities (how many additional museums, days care centers, community centers, performing arts centers, etc. are viable in Buffalo) ?


This building has maybe 100 or more counterparts city wide of similar irreplaceability and emotional value, but maybe only about 5 to 10 or fewer can realistically be saved before they're a danger... so what would be smarter than a sky-is-falling panic each time might be to proactively choose which 5 or so those are, then recruit saviors for those... and accept that the remainder have lived out their life span as all buildings do? Maybe the 100 and 5 numbers are way off, but it's some big number compared to some much smaller number, right?

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In answer to your question on how to sum this up:

First - I don't think it's over yet.

Second - As far as counterparts (can we save them all?) obviously we cant save them all but they aren't all as bad as this one. We need to get to them sooner and not wait until they get this bad before we act.

Finally - who is to blame?

- Past owners - especially Weisburg who belongs in jail for even worse than what he's done this this building.
-Our previous inspector who just collected his paycheck year after year but didn't do his job.
- Not everyone at City Hall - but certainly those that looked the other way as this neighborhood repeatedly reached out for help dealing with this inspector (and were often punished for doing so)
- The three preservation groups who didn't sound the call on this building until it was too late (or hopefully only almost too late). I was on the board of two of these organizations so this is me holding myself responsible for not doing more earlier. We have to be more proactive and I'm hoping that this is starting to happen.
- All of us for not appreciating what we have near enough. If all we do is blame everyone else nothing will ever change. We need to hold ourselves accountable first.

What's next for this building? It's too early to tell - but a little scary right now. Let's start focusing more attention on the ones that we can still prevent from getting this bad.

Harvey

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Old abandoned churches never stand a chance. You can't put a drive-thru window in them.

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Another tragedy for our city. We are so lucky to have these beautiful structures and then they are destroyed. Very sad.

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So you want us to piss away public monies on a building that NEVER paid property tax? Let the RCC tear this eye sore down and plat a garden. Why do we keep getting stuck with church left overs? Geeze, if the City of Buffalo could actually tax these freeloading churches all of our taxes would be lower? Yep!

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The Livery was sold to Sam Savarino. Fraudenheim -- "Mr. Penhurst" -- doesn't own it anymore.

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We need to save the Greystone before this same situation happens AGAIN!!!

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Thanks Harvey for shedding some light on this issue. Best of luck to saving what is left of the place.

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Was there yesterday evening, and the wooden tracery from the gothic windows of the gable front was in the bottom of one of the dumpsters. This all seems premeditated to me, and not at all therapeutic.


Especially interesting that folks at City Hall knew that officials from the National Trust were in town late last week for the preservation awards luncheon Thursday, and would be going to see that neighborhood by Columbus Park and the Peace Bridge. It looks like this wanton destruction began immediately after they had passed through, and would not see it.

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why was Buffalo reuse not involved?

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City Hall likes to brag about the Trust conference and their positive designations, but does lip service to preservation beyond pet projects and the pres board. Enact a stronger local preservation ordinance and a tax incentive or abatement for incentives then they can talk.

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It was not "abandoned" it was stripped by another serial building wrecker - Jeff Weisberg - and used as a warehouse. These people who strip & exploit buildings should be banned from owning them.

Buffalo Rising should place Weisberg as the first nomination for its Buffalo Building Wrecker Wall of Shame.

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Weisberg ran 'Architectural Circus' on Niagara for many years (when he wasn't in jail). Recently I've seen him out at the Clarence weekly sales. Most criminals drift to drugs/prostitution/gambling, for some reason this guy sells pieces of old buildings, you can assume most of it stolen.

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A tragic loss..shame on all those who could have made a difference but who looked the other way.Another win for todays Vandals and Goths.

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Harvey,

Thanks for all the historical, political, and economic info on this "therapeutic demo." I suspect it is as good a term as any for a series of tragic events that led to this irreversible mess. If it does not have a place officially, it should be added to the nomenclature.

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Our preservation organizations should have their trained paid qualified staff (not volunteers!) make a list of locally endangered buildings. Consult with neighborhood business associations and block clubs as to what is important to their neighborhoods. Have review by preservation experts. Rate and rank the buildings as to their importance. Identify owners and responsible parties and relevant history. Figure out what important buildings' needs are, and match with owner's and other preservation funding resources.

Keep track of and monitor buildings and their progress. Help in advance rather than react in ineptitude. Earn our trust and support and your money.

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It was at least fifty years ago that the concept of wringing out the old (structures) to ring in the new throughout this City was first conceived.
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Hold on. The present mayor is how old? Those original SelfConceptionaires; those guys who set the standard of the present-day distruction within ALL of Buffalo, if still alive, could now be in their eighties--give or take ten years!
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Meanwhile, take an imaginationwise good look at the above picture of that apparently quite sturdy, repairable tower and the wall that stayed attached to it, remove all the rest of that worn out structure and build from those gorgeous remains.
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But, no-no-no more lofts or restaurants, please...please...pretty overdone please...

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We have seen this over and over. Reading this, it reminds people of the Livery and how very frustrating it was dealing with a City government that does not listen and apparently does not learn! I have to say that dealing with the city was one of the most frustrating experiences in my life and these people were supposed to be on the side of the tax payers.

Roy, many BR have been asking for exactly this for a long time.

Mr. Kearns – are you listening? Here’s a very specific platform that speaks to so many of our frustrations about this issue. Say “here are the buildings we need to save for the following reasons; here are the owners and the demands we have made of the owners; here is our timeline; here are our options if the owner does not meet the timelines, etc”

Why is this so difficult for politicians to grasp? It seems really clear to the neighbors living around these buildings and forever writing and calling for inspections.

The current system of allowing a negligent owner to neglect (or obviously strip a building of its valuable pieces to leave the shell to fall on and bury the evidence of its looting) needs to stop. To that end, Mr. Brown – how is the response to the Blacksmith's Shop going? Do you never learn?

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The City could stabilize and fix these endangered buildings, file liens on them, and if the scabrous absentee owner won't buy his building out of hock, it gets sold on the courthouse steps. That's how you address this stuff.

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