City May 12, 2009 10:20 AM

Kevin Gaughan: Let The People Decide

Kevin Gaughan: Let The People Decide
At what juncture is your effort to downsize local government?

Armed with the law I discovered that gives citizens the power to force downsizing votes, Western New Yorkers are approaching a tipping point that may result in decreasing Erie County's 439 elected officials (that's more politicians than in the United States Congress) to a more sane and proportionate 307.    
 
What battles have you won?
 
I don't consider my effort a "fight."  That's what politicians do.  And as they battle, they diminish themselves, the idea of public service, and us all.  This is not a fight, but rather a right of people to decide the size and cost of their local government, and in the process define themselves and their community. 
 
To date, we've downsized the villages of Lancaster and Depew, the Village of North Collins has agreed to my plan to merge its government into the surrounding Town of North Collins, and my proposal to reduce the Erie County legislature from 15 to 9 members appears headed for a public referendum this November (though the polls may dilute my idea by going to 11 members -- but it's all good). 
 
And on June 3rd, for the first time in New York State's history, two towns, West Seneca and Evans, will hold downsizing referenda that were compelled by citizen petitions without the support of elected officials.
 
Which ones are you still fighting to win?

Our volunteers (our website is www.LetPeopleDecide.org) are circulating petitions to hold downsizing votes in Amherst, Cheektowaga, and Alden, and a village government dissolution vote in Blasdell.  This summer we plan to move onto the towns of Hamburg and Orchard Park, and the villages of Kenmore and Sloan.

Which towns have been the toughest?

They're all a challenge, simply because no politician supports downsizing.  But we shall succeed in every one, because virtually every citizen does.  The Depew downsizing referendum passed by 89%, and the Lancaster one by 91%.  The challenge is to get on the ballot.  But once we're on -- and the law I discovered lets us get on by obtaining sufficient number of signatures -- people celebrate their chance to make a difference by voting for change.

Which villages, towns, etc.  have the most excess?

Sadly, all of our 25 town and 16 village government in Erie County have long ago forgotten their original purpose.  If they did, they'd voluntarily downsize tomorrow, capture the resultant tax savings, plough them back into services and community, and thereby help produce a nurturing public environment for private investment.  Which, of course, was and remains their purpose.

Have you researched similar initiatives in other states?

Most states lack New York's bloated local government challenge.  Most states do not have over 932 towns and 557 villages, as New York State does.  New York has more governments than the nation of Japan.

How does downsizing regionally impact the city?

I disagree with the premise of your question, which supposes that our beloved City of Buffalo is separate from its surrounding suburbs.  We are one community in Western New York, and whether we live in Amherst, Eden, Cheektowaga, or Black Rock or Town Gardens, we're going to rise or fall together and as one.
 
Of America's 3,086 counties, Erie County (that's everyone from Buffalo to West Seneca) has the 5th highest local property taxes.  Property taxes are so high because local government cost so much.  To sustain our 439 politicians, taxpayers pay more than $32 million per year.
 
My local government study revealed that the highest concentration of politicians is in our suburbs because, among other reasons, we're operating under a system that hasn't been changed since before America's Civil War.  So reducing that disproportionate concentration of polls, decreasing the amount of mindless bickering they engage in, and creating a local government system that's more effective, efficient, and fair, benefits us all.
 
Will this battle eventually encompass downsizing duplicate services?

Of course.
 
Does your message take urban sprawl into account?

At my 1997 Chautauqua Conference on Local Governance, I learned that addressing sprawl ("urban sprawl" is a misnomer, as it conveys an unfavorable notion of the city) lies at the heart of community renewal.   I define sprawl as development without growth, or growing by chance rather than by choice.  The answer is a regional planning body that's citizen based.  In 1998 and 2001, I proposed such a body, and am thrilled to see the idea finally making progress.
 
Do government employees take it personally that you are trying to take away their jobs?

Government downsizing will not take away anyone's job.  All it does is reduce the number of elected seats, which in towns and villages are part-time positions, and are privileges not rights.  If affected politicians are as good as they say they are, they can still run for the fewer number of seats, and I'm sure that voters will reward them with election.
 
What has been your most effective tool so far?

The thousands of volunteers, mainly senior citizens, who yearn for the power to actually change something in our community.  To them, the petition and referendum law I discovered is the first tangible change tool they've held in their hands in perhaps their lifetime.
 
And the second most effective arrow in my quiver is these folks' memories.  They remember when their town or village was vibrant, active, had wonderful youth and senior services, and most important, offered sufficient opportunity for their children to stay here.  Their desire to restore Western New York to that rightful place shall overcome all the fear-based tactics politicians are employing to thwart change.
 
Is there a regional public official that inspires you?

Yes.  What James Madison called "citizen-patriot."  I think it's the highest office in the land.
 
If you reached your goal to control cut bloated government today, what would you set out to do tomorrow?

Sit still (something I have trouble doing).  Perhaps sleep.  Then shower and go out and do it across New York State.

Kevin Gaughan is a Buffalo attorney and civic leader.  He is leading a citizens movement to let people, not politicians, decide the size and cost of local government in every suburban town and village.  The first two public referenda that he and his volunteers have caused are scheduled for June 3rd in West Seneca and Evans.  For more information on Kevin's effort, visit www.LetPeopleDecide.org.
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Mr. Gaughn, I know you already ran for Buffalo mayor once. But would you be willing to give it another try? I think you'd win this time. Buffalo needs you!

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Thank you for this article, BRO. I wish you would have more articles on Mr. Gaughan's activities (i.e meetings with community groups, etc.) and the topic of regionalism. I'm convinced that western New York will not thrive until regional government replaces the layers of villages, towns, cities. This is such an important topic that deserves much more media attention.

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Great job, now he needs to go after the suburban school boards. They are on another planet. I just got my notice yesterday that ANOTHER 5.7% TAX INCREASE is coming AFTER TAX INCREASES almost every year for the last decade. The town residents vote it down almost everytime but they STILL GET AN INCREASE.

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I agree.
School taxes are out of control.
Does a school superintendant need to make $250,000 a year?

Keep up the great work Kevin Gaughan.

After you reach your goal to cut bloated government please do something about the school taxes.

Thank You

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Gaughan’s inability to gain any traction on the issues of regionalism, aside from a government that protects itself and it’s “people” first, is that he’s seemingly only interested in keeping his name and ego out front and maintaining his name and face as the rallying cry for regionalism. He seems to have this purposeful goal of not involving the people until he needs to “use” them. The guy goes on a one-man tour of all local goverments. That’s the sign of someone with some ego and micro-managing problems. And guess what, that’s how he’s viewed by the people in power, as someone they can ignore because he brings with him little or no public backing (see: voters)

Sure, he’s now got people going door to door and trying to get board reduction issues on the ballot, but he’s been battling this for years with no significant gains.

Put it this way, if he’d engage the community, instead of making the issue his own cause and ego-centric, he’d have won the mayor’s race. But his failure to realize that the people matter and that people need two things: a role and information. If people don’t feel a part of something, they don’t care. If they don’t care, they vote for Byron Brown.

If Gaughan spent some time collecting, analyzing and publishing data on the issue, people would be woken from their slumber.

As a regionalism advocate, I find his board downsizing a sign of defeat. He’s realized that this state can’t change its structure without major changes in state law. And he’s realized that’s not happened so he’s lowered his standards to downsizing town boards to save a $20,000 a year on a few part time board members. That’s throwing a deck chair off the Titanic to lighten the load.

The issues are not the size of the boards. The issues is the overlap, duplication and unnecessary staffing of local, county and state government. We don’t need downsizing of boards, we need one public safety department for the county, not tiny little departments in each muni. We need a county school system with neighborhood schools, not all these districts, each with a superintendent and three assistant superintendents. We don’t need the county highway department coming into other municipalities to plow and salt one county road while the local DPW lifts it’s plow ands turns off its salter to drive down the same street.

The government here, simply enough is too big. But even more critical, it’s too costly on an employee basis. State union laws ensure that guys collecting tolls at the Grand Island bridge make $21 ($43,680/yr to take your change when an automated gate like at the old Black Rock toll would suffice) an hour plus get a pension and benefits better than the private sector. Toll collector is about as unskilled a position as there is, yet they make way more than the job should (know any cashiers at Tops that make $21 an hour, have a pension and coverage health care?).

Gaughan’s approach and the govt’s unwillingness to change is certain to ensure nothing ever happens. We’re saddled with it. The only way out is to move.

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Failing, I love your enthusiasm on the issue and agree with your regional ideas 100% You point out some valid flaws in Gaughns methods that could be improved. However although he may not be perfect and has not single handedly right sized our bloated local government, he is at least doing somthing. This sort of needed change will not happen overnight as much as I wish it would. Government is a big employer in this neck of the woods and there are a lot of powerful people standing in the way of progress for the sake of their careers. I will take town board reductions today if it leads to regional police, schools, other services and a cheaper-better government down the road. I know the process is moving slow and maybe Gaughn isnt doing a perfect job but as long as someone is out there advocating local government reform, they will have my support.

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Thank you Mr Gaughn for fighting for common sense in local government. Although as you pointed out the highest amounts of waste are in the burbs I would encourage you to help efforts to take on the political machine and bring your work to the City.

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Falling,

I pray you're wrong about the toll collectors' pay but I would assume you're not. Sort of takes the incentive out of trying to achieve anything greater eh? Hell, I'm in debt from my Master's degree and make less, I'm in the wrong profession!

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Since Cuomo is likely the next governor and he is also the person has challenged the state laws to allow consolidation, its quite probably that Cuomo will not be as much a liberal as his father.

There hasnt been much action on consolidating services and that is a real shame since NYS has a fund to pay for such consolidations.

I think Gaughan is an asset to our community. At the very least, he reminds the citizenry that there are choices to raising taxes and cutting services....there is consolidating government and consolidating services.

The sad thing is that the more efficient WNY becomes the more Albany will simply redirect funds to less efficient and more needy (greedy) and more powerful portions of the state.

As Paterson has learned from trying to cut the budget, downstate controls both the assembly and the senate to obstruct anything but a tax increase!

The problem is downstate...and has been....since upstate fell below 50% of the state population. Upstate is easily ignored and robbed!

The only recourse is to keep challenging downstate at the federal level...because our local state reps will not stand up against the majorities in the senate and assembly.

Actually there is another recourse, make Buffalo and Erie County look poorer that we are by taking taxes out of the general budget. Remove the Hotel and Bed Tax 100% from the general budget and give it 100% to the Bureau of Conventions and Tourism. Take the gas tax and give the necessary fraction to pay for a light rail extension to the airport. Dont let the unions take the revenue from the Buffalo Creek Casino..take it off budget...for job creation like we did with Niagara Mohawk relicensing and like we are doing to sell unused Niagara Mohawk Power at market rates to fund job creating investment. IN OTHER WORDS THE ONLY RECOURSE IS TO STOP PURSUING MATCHING POVERTY FUNDS AND REDIRECT THE MONEY TO INVESTING IN JOBS! IF THE STATE WANTS THOSE POVERTY PROGRAMS THEN THEY NEED TO RAISE THE FUNDING COMMITMENTS.

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A totally decent imposter of Ed Grimley I must say.

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"Erie County's 439 elected officials (that's more politicians than in the United States Congress) "

Last I checked, there are 535 members of Congress, provided all seats have been filled.


"Most states do not have over 932 towns and 557 villages, as New York State does. New York has more governments than the nation of Japan."

In 2008, there are about 1800 municipal governments in Japan.


" To sustain our 439 politicians, taxpayers pay more than $32 million per year. "

With a population of about 900,000, this works out to $35.50 per person.


I live in West Seneca, Kevin Gaughan's poster child for downsizing. I think it would be ridiculous for a town of 45,000 to have only 3 elected officials, all of whom are part-time. I figured out that the savings would have been a whopping $1 per year per resident.

This guy is barking up the wrong tree. Local governments are much more efficient than the larger State and Federal governments will ever be. Our local elected officials are paid a relatively paltry sum, and are far more accountable to the public whom they live next door to and see around town on a regular basis.

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Right, but downsizing and regionalizing local government doesn't just mean your elected officials. I agree they make up a relatively small portion of the municipal budget, but local government is expensive. When each town has its own public works, police and other departments, buraucracy grows. Why does Cheektowaga have 7 school districts? The non-elected buraucrats are what bloats the local governments.

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State Workers, Federal Employees, and Teachers; It's now time for you to pay for your own retirement. Current Pension program are no longer sustainable. Your pay scales are on par with the private job sector so get a 401K/IRA and start saving like the rest of us.

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~ "State Workers, Federal Employees, and Teachers; It's now time for you to pay for your own retirement. Current Pension program are no longer sustainable. Your pay scales are on par with the private job sector so get a 401K/IRA and start saving like the rest of us."

AMEN!

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Consolidate it all. Buffalo-Erie County need to merge finally and end the 'city vs. suburb' nonsense for good.

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Very well said.

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But sony the present system is working so well, just look at how western new york is prospering. If we were to consolidate then all those nice safe isolated suburban towns would have to face the regions problems and even be a part of the solution. That's a lot to ask of a population that presently is able to avoid any discomfort or responsibility.

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sony>"Consolidate it all. Buffalo-Erie County need to merge finally and end the 'city vs. suburb' nonsense for good."


Fine with me if that ever happens, but I predict it's very unrealistic to think it can happen.


A majority of city residents won't ever agree in a referendum to give up city-level power and be governed by any executive and legislature that would be predominantly elected by suburban voters who comprise a 70%-30% majority in Erie Co.


Likewise, most city residents would never approve of being policed by county-wide force. It just won't happen. Might as well wish for Santa Claus to come save the city.

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Whatever-I predict it's very unrealistic to think it can happen. A majority of suburban residents won't ever agree in a referendum to give up the the present system that is tilted heavily in their favor.

Your assertion that "city residents would never approve of being policed by a county wide police force" is just plain wrong. A majority of city residents would welcome the same level of police protection other Erie County residents take for granted. Only the minority of losers and thugs would object and fortunately they don't vote.

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Lifer>"Only the minority of losers and thugs would object and fortunately they don't vote."

I think you're under-estimating the opposition there'd be to both of those ideas (metro govt and metro police) from a lot of factions within the many parts of the city. I'd be happy to be proven wrong on either count or both, but consider all the groups who would oppose it - patronage communities, South Buffalo, Grassroots, East Side ministers, Niagara District Hispanics, the PBA, BTF, other unions, on and on. That's a lot of political power. I predict there'd be a full rainbow coalition of groups and unions wanting to keep the status quo rather than ceding any power (policing or politcal) to suburban interests.


Obviously Byron Brown's machine would oppose either of those changes. The police dept is heavily politicized, and has been for a long time. Probably Lenihan's faction would oppose either change too. Some people might consider both of those groups, Brown's and Lenihan's, to include a few "thugs and losers" to borrow your wording. But they do vote and get out the vote.


Anyhow, personally I'm fine with both changes. Chris Collins for "Metro Executive". Sounds like a plan. And have the sheriff take over city policing sounds okay too, although I don't think the BPD is as bad as some who comment here do. The much bigger problem is what happens and doesn't happen after arrests and convictions. But maybe that would improve if there was no more city court. It's worth a try.

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I agree there would be quite a ruckus but the average citizen might surprise you and vote yes. If the PBA, BTF, and other city unions opposed this plan it would be because so many of their members live outside the city of Buffalo.
As for Chris Collins he is the least likely canidate to bring progressive leadership to our region. So far he has embraced the same old pro-sprawl and anti-city agenda that got us into this mess.

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If the whole county was allowed to vote for who is executive of "metro Buffalo", Collins or somebody like him (and who's more like him than him?) would be most likely to win an election.

That's something it sounds to me as though some of the self-described "progressive" advocates of muni govt overlook: by merging the city and county into single muni govt, the 70% of voters in Erie Co. who live outside of Buffalo would mostly determine who's the "metro mayor" (or choose the title you prefer, but there'd be an executive and it wouldn't be chose by only city voters).

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But remember that your "70% of voters in Erie Co who live outside Buffalo" don't currently have the option to vote for an urban candidate so while it might be remote, there is always the possibility that a strong urban contender in a merged city-county race could prevail. More important, however, is the choice of how to structure a combined government as well as how to balance the diverse interests. I think for many of the cities that have combined, it is still a work in progress but with a shared tax base, these newly intertwined entities enjoy the ability to allocate resources in ways cities like Buffalo have needed for decades. Both in securing struggling shared ammenities, and in eliminating the disparities in taxation and services that make city vs. suburb relationships so toxic. Naturally, the best approach is to begin by setting tax rates as low as possible...

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Not sure why you dont like the term "progressive" for metro govt. Who wouldnt look at it as progress if we were able to cut wasteful govt and improve city-suburban cooperation.
As far as your take on Collins you are right. I for one would not vote for him knowing his anti city, shortsightedness and micromanaging tendancies. However that is a consequence Im prepared to deal with since after all 70% of voters reside in the burbs. I for one would rather deal with a term or two of an isolationist county exec and be without wasteful layers of govenrment. Besides when you take away the anti city, pro sprawl stuff he is not doing that bad of a job.

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Whatever is right in pointing out that the loudest oposition for a merger would come from the city. The political machine would stand to loose the most from this progressive idea and it just so happens that they are the most poerful political force in town. You can expect Brown or whoever is in office to attack such an idea with all they have including namecalling and race baiting. A Columbus OH style merger was proposed in nearby Cleveland many years ago and their version of the machine put the word out that metro govenment would dilute minority political power. As a result the plan failed and Columbus is an up and coming city and Cleveland is, well still Cleveland. Dammed shame. The very people who would benifit the most from right sizing govenment would fight to the death to protect it.
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For all of Joel Giambras faults I thought he took the right approach in an attempt get this needed legislation passed. He went to the suburbs and explained that such a move would be of benifit because of lower taxes. This rare example of wny leadership could have eventualy swayed opinion to favor a county merger if he were a better all around politician and had there been a non machine politician in the Mayors office at the time. The way I see it the county merger is an independant, reform minded Buffalo mayor and an independent reform minded county exec in office at the same time in order to push this thing through. Although as whatever pointed out this will be a challenge.

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pit- I agree the entrenched political machine would put up a fight but I think city voters would see the benefits and could be persuaded to vote for it. The hard sell would be to get suburban voters on board, they tend to see the city as not their problem.
I agree we would need an independant reform minded mayor and county executive, something we sadly lack.

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I moved from Buffalo to Indianapolis 10 months ago, and while I support a city-county merger in theory, what I've found here (where we have "Unigov") is that it all rests on leadership. I believe the merger here resulted in a higher concentration of power in the hands of corporate interests, and it has not served the citizens very well.

If anyone wants to know more, I'd love to discuss further (though we should find another forum and not hijack this thread.)

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I think Whatever, Blackrocklifer, and Sonyactivision raise interesting points on this issue. I wonder if a MetroBuffalo candidacy would raise the bar on the quality of folks in a potential race?

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pitbull>"Not sure why you dont like the term "progressive" for metro govt"

It's a fine word but it can distract in political discussion (not just metro govt topic) because it has very differing interpretations. Same with "progress".

Using Collins as an example, I consider some of what he's done in county office so far to be progress (and so it's "progressive"), and if somebody is ever empowered to make those kind of changes in Buffalo it would be progress here too.
Others might consider Collins and his actions to be the opposite of progress and the opposite of progressive.


I doubt that I've ever considered anything I've ever heard Hoyt, Marinelli, or Whyte advocate to be progress, but other people refer to them as "progressives".

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fair enough.

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The citizens of Erie county need to consolidate the entire county including buffalo into one unified government with a legislator(s) representing each city town in the entire county so everyone would be represented but we could have one fire dept one police dept ect ect the savings would be a real savings not just a nip and a tuck total overhauled. Do what NYC did 100 years ago, it would be more efficient and would save taxpayers millions instead of just the miniscule amount. Proposed by Mr. Gaughan. Mr. Gaughan has the right Idea he is just thinking too small we need to get on with building our economy and that starts with one unified Erie county government no more separate government in any town or villages in this shrinking county. The town’s cities and villages do not need all the replicated governments. It is time for real change not just the stupid nip tuck proposed.

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