City April 13, 2009 1:26 PM

Urban Garden vs. Urban Prairie

Urban Garden vs. Urban Prairie
Look who didn't need permission to occupy some land on Buffalo's East Side.  Bruno, the photographer who took this photo yesterday in front of the abandoned Buffalo Municipal Housing Authority site, said there were so many deer he could only frame a fraction at one time.

Zoning laws aside, here are some new denizens who not only don't contribute to the tax base, but they don't exactly improve quality-of-life issues either.  (Maybe a "tick tax" is in order.)

The BMHA building is off of Fillmore Avenue and close to Erie County Medical Center, putting it near a controversial proposed urban farm site on Wilson Street that Broadway Fillmore Alive co-founder Christopher Byrd has been following for some time now.

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We'll bite that the Wilson Street site is ready for housing, but surely, there must be some land somewhere on the outskirts where farming/gardening could take place. We could have our own U-Pick strawberry patch by July, our own Great Pumpkin Patch by October.  And community organizations, ala Rosa Gibson's could feed a village in a vast food desert.

Perhaps even more ticklish is the fact that the deer often find their way into the city via railroad tracks.  Watching deer lope down the tracks gives a whole new meaning to high speed rail.  May as well let the people have the land; nature will take it back eventually anyway.
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In my many forays into the East Side by bike, I have never encountered a deer, my largest 'wild animal' encounter being with a rat!

I have long wished that some of the vast ES expanses could be repopulated with real "Buffalo" (bison), ideally near the Cental Terminal, where tourists (& suburbanites?) could watch from the safety of an elevated "observation tower" near the top!

More "New" housing in a steadily shrinking city, which some estimates now project to have 28,000 housing vacancies, in addition to the 14,000 vacant lots, is obviously not a top priority, as that herd of deer so eloquently underlines.

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Are deer the new urban pioneers? Maybe they should be included in the next census.

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we can't seem to keep the houses we already have filled, why worry about building a few more. let there be urban farms. give the land to people that have true vision as to what it could be right now, not for the houses someday to be built!(can you say new bridge)!! also keep in mind that the wildlife was here long before we developed this area. we need to share the land, the deer are running out of places to live cuz we keep taking it away!!!

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Don't tell Albany. It may initiate a deer occupancy tax.

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Anyone know where I can buy deer meat?

Buffalo needs office parks, warehouses, technology parks, light industrial parks, etc.

Buffalo needs to rebuild the city jobs...then the houses will follow!

Until that time, the city should focus on infilling existing groups of city blocks that can be saved and let whole city blocks empty out for other uses.

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OHH. THEY (HERD) ABOUT THE URBAN PRAIRIE TOO! They are looking for the Stevenses' farm!
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Deer and other wild animals have followed rr tracks since there were rr tracks, but you pretty much had to be up before daylignt and vehicle traffic to see them leisurely grazing. They're busy around Memorial and Paderewski while people living there are asleep.
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How fantastic that these pictures were taken yesterday, Easter Sunday Morning!
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There has been a large population of deer at Central Terminal since the trains stopped rolling. There's red fox and now coyotes too.(watch your little dogs)...
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There is a large population of deer in the open but unused rr land at Harlem and Walden, very visible during the day, but they were culled recently so it will be a while before they repopulate that area again.
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Those deer in the pictures probably followed a path from Williamville to downtown Buffalo, just like people are!
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PrairiesEast, NY has begun...

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Did you know that deer are rodents because they poop pellets like rats and rabbits?

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No, deer are ungulates, in the mammalian order Artiodactyla. Rodents (mice, rats, etc.) are in the order Rodentia. Please look up such easy issues of fact before posting.

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Because they "poop pellets" deer are in the rodent family. So are birds! But I thought that was common knowledge.
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Oh, Wait. It isn't common knowledge. It needs deeper research. Seek and ye shall find...

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Deer are in the Cervidae Family, Rodents are in the Rodentia Faily. Neither have any common Sub Orders. Although, since you think Birds are also in the rodent family, there is probably no convincing you of any of these crazy "facts"

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Well! After checking further, it's agreed that you surely did take the easy route! You only got that fractional information out of a dictionary, didn't you?.
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"Get thee" to a library--the big one in downtown Buffalo would be best...'nuf said.

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We have venison in our freezer. Yummmmmmy and fat free...

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forget urban farming, is urban hunting and trapping far behind?

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No, it's coming soon. The city is setting it up as another incentive for BassPro to open for business.

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We have had deer along the old railroad corridors here in Black Rock for many years. Some even walk across the Squaw Island bridge openly mocking the homeland security/border patrol officers. Others just hang around in gangs all day looking for handouts. They are a burden on the community unwilling to work or take responsibility for their offspring. They refuse to assimilate and hang on to their own language while also practicing polygamy. I believe deer are the first sign of decline in a neighborhood and I fear the East Side could be in for trouble.

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Could these deer have been refugees from Lancaster or East Amherst? I have heard that gentrification of these once rural towns has displaced many deer and that they continue to move into the city to take advantage of our generous welfare benefits and more liberal attitudes. There are rumors that many have been hit by speeding SUVs and left to die on the road and that some towns even endorse "bait and shoot" programs to weed out these "undesirables". No wonder they are fleeing into the city where they hope to find acceptance and lower taxes, schools not being an issue for these true vagabonds. As usual we in Buffalo will be expected to carry this burden and we will, and some day in the future on BRO someone will be blaming Buffalo for having too many deer.

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So typical of you to blame the weakest among us who are just victims of bad policy and government sponsored sprawl.

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You're cracking me up! But, in our experiences, deer are very good citizens and responsible parents.
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City friends were hiking in open country with their little kids. They came across a fawn hopelessly caught in a wire fence. The mom was nearby threatening the humans not to get near her little one. The man tried to get animal control or someone to come help but they wouldn't, so mom took the kids away and dad stopped the fawn's suffering...
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Years ago, we were hiking in what used to be named Losson (Rd.) Park before it was renamed Stegelmeier(sp), and yes, we had apples. There was a herd of nearly tame deer taking the apples.
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It was absolutely wonderful to watch them act just like people; like a family. There was one "teenager" who obviously was not obeying an adult doe who must have been mom and probably was telling him to settle down and stay well away from us humans as he romped all around us and his family.
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One thing daddybucks do though that is sooo un-family protective is that when a male, female and the young are in an unfamiliar area, daddy buck sends momma doe out ahead of him to scout out the area. (The fawns follow mom.)
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The problem for deer is that they don't totally understand vehicle traffic dangers, so, even if the female and her young cross a road first and safely, that does not mean it is safe for the male to follow...
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About "deer". At first it was spelled der. Later the 2nd e was added.
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And, did you know that not only is "deer" both singluar and plural, but, it's ok to use "deers" as plural too!!?

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BR... too funny!

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No it is not ok to use deers, unless spoken as a possessive. Do you say sheeps, or geeses, or dices. Ok maybe yous once and a while is ok... Only because it is better than using y'all...

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Yes, i'll take one size XL 'i am Chrisa' (on the front, 'Deers are rodents because they poop pellets' (on the back) t-shirt please.

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Due to the no tax base and quality of life issues, I see no problem with the deer, they are no different from the previous residents. Other than that, why are the buildings still standing? If my home had even a few broken windows or tall grass the city would be all over me.

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I think the City owns them. They love to fine their residents but cant fine themselves:0
Some students at UB advanced an idea to demolish the entire complex and replace it with a retail plaza. Not sure if that is still on the table or who would pay for it all. My guess is that the cost of demolishing the buildings is not worth the cleared land that is tough to get to by car and is not near very many homes. I know it looks bad but dont expect them to be torn down anytime soon.

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I think the structures should remain standing as a testament to a very bad concept. I have never been a fan of building institutional uninspired, Spartan structures designed to house the poor in high concentration/ high density ghettos. They always screamed that they were High Housing for the Hapless,Hopeless, Homeless, Human Hordes. The only thing more depressing than abandoned public housing is public housing at full capacity.

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OK, I'm not going to be nice here. First of all, the Glenny Dr. apartment needs to be knocked down. OK, now that I have that out of the way, please take a look at this article: http://www.buffalonews.com/437/story/639463.html. This is the reason that E. Buffalo is in the shape that it is in. Absentee land(slum)lords and people who don't care about the city. This article burns me, especially for the fact that this individual hasn't been by his properties in TWO MONTHS?!?!!

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In the 1950s, most if not all of the original tenants of those now long-vacant "projects" went on to become suburbanites. They were not poor. They were the working classes including college-attending, "up-and-coming" professionals. The rent was cheap which made it possible for young families to be able to save for downpayments on their "once-upon-a-time" affordable mortgages.
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The "poor" were the last tenants...

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Wasn't this the site approved for a senior housing development? Am I confusing this with another site? Is there a demo planned for this area?

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I feel JOSHUA said it best.
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Also, I think it was proposed for senior housing but not approved???
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It appears that NOTHING will be approved on the east part of Buffalo (and then into the suburbs) except buying cheap, wearing out, (slumlording), then demolishing and hoarding in the interest of massive "landbanking".
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Then again, didn't Buffalo government declare not to be in favor of landbanking as it appears that has already been done quite a bit in the form of hoarding?
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Many people are only just now realizing for the very first time the full extent of how much hoarding has already happened due to the publicity stemming from the "urban farming" refusal issue.
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There would have to be a master plan, and, it would not involve only Buffalo, and it apparently is not a revelation "we the people" are suppose to comprehend--until "oops, there it is" and the citizenry are saying "who woulda thunk it"!


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About "land banking": It also involves financing for farming!

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Lots of heat, and not much light in this discussion. Kensington Heights (sometimes referred to as Glenny Drive Apts.) at 1827 Fillmore, right behind ECMC, 371 apartments in 6 cruciform buildings, vacant since 1980, and still owned by the BMHA. Not close to Central Terminal. Several proposals submitted in the 1990's for housing tax credits, but never funded. Plans announced this past December by Centerstone Development to create an elderly continuum of care campus to be called Heritage Heights - with independent living, assisted living & skilled nursing. Not sure of the status of that proposal, but demolition of the 6 towers figures to be expensive - as Norstar found out in Ellicott Town Center, these buildings may be ugly and anti-urban, but they are built like fortresses.

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You're right in serveral ways. For one matter, this topic head out in several directions; animal, mineral AND vegetable!
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But about those buildings; these structures ARE well built fortresses and they actually DO have a large content capacity.
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I feel the key here is that these buildings ARE adjacent to ECMC.
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For now, between the cost of demolition versus the cost of renovations and refilling all of the inside space; neither the BMHA (nor the city) is in ANY position to do either.
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With the cost of living and transporting guaranteed to go up though, it might be that one day people who work at the County hospital will live there or those building will be mixed-use for ECMC and county patients in various ways.
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When that was Meyer Memorial Hospital, there were facilities for indigent patients in facilities along Grider Street heading north. That sort of set up could happen again...
4-16-09 827a

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Freeloaders!

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