City April 30, 2009 7:54 AM

Community Steel Warehouse Coming Down

Community Steel Warehouse Coming Down

Popped over to the site of Tuesday's fire to see whether the building was being torn down as expected, and to see if there was any more information about the fire.  Hey, on the lower right of the entry image, is that a Brian Davis campaign sign peeking out?

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There were some neighbors and firefighters at the scene, as well.  One of them told me that the front of the building (which you can see on the ground as a pile of bricks, above) collapsed during the fire.

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The primary reason for the demo was the building's lack of structural integrity after the fire.  While we watched, a corner of the building began to buckle and we thought it might collapse--in our direction.  We shifted positions.  The fire inspector I spoke with on site said that there was not yet any additional information on the cause of the fire.

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But despite the intensive demolition work on the Myrtle Avenue side, the Swan Street side of the building seemed deceptively solid.

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It's unfortunate to lose a great building like this from the uniquely mixed Myrtle Avenue streetscape.

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The demolition is expected to be complete by the weekend.

 

 

 

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Bricks for the garden anyone?

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Do you know where i could get some bricks for the garden? any idea where these old bricks go?

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Room for another new-build!

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I didn't see anyone come out with some cash to save it..

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I wonder what they do with the Bricks? Destined for the landfill? If we could get some people together, would they let Buffalo Reuse collect them do you think?

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Well from my experience after the St. Mary's Lyceum rectory caught on fire, the construction company paid people to take the bricks away. My parents actually were paid to take the bricks away from this site. The bricks were used when they built their house.

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Take the bricks that are good and use them to bring South Buffalo's streets back to the original brick design. I'd hate to see those in a landfill. There has to be a good use for them somewhere, even if it is in gardens.

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Building bricks are much different than street bricks. They're more porous and brittle, and also somewhat smaller and not as thick as street bricks. If building bricks were used for street paving, they'd be crumbled in a few years.

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Not to mention their being vitrified in the fire. Use 'em in the garden.

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Seriously I could use the bricks for landscaping. Does anyone know the demo company?

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25 years ago my brother had an idea for a car that ran on bricks. He called it "Car 2000" and knew that as the urban landscape changed, brick buildings would come down and he could run this futuristic car for a long time on the demise of our cities.


He of course never cultivated the idea, and now, "Car 2000" doesn't quite work anymore, but I now hand the idea over to the great city of Buffalo.


and NO, this is not Christa posting under a new name...but I sure hope she shares her views on this idea.


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^^^ and there you have it.

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They probably go either to a dump or maybe a recycling facility to be ground down and reconstituted as something. Depends on how 'low bid' the demo came in at. Odds by the looks of how they are just tearing through the structure most of them are going to the dump since there doesn't seem to be any care to sort the materials.


Odds are if you wait to try and contact the company.. they will already be gone. I would just show up and ask the manager if you can fill your trunk. Odds are they are not going to care. If they do care then they are going to try and sell the material to recyclers...


Either way using them as is, in a garden or landscape would be more environmentally friendly than either of the two previous options.

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Somthing stinks here. How are they going to investigate the cause of the possible arson with the building demolished? Arson is an awful crime. Forget preservation, think of how many firefighters and neighbors were put at risk from this. Call me cynical but I think the building owner may have friends in city hall. Lets hope his insurance company gives him the pole.

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Another tragedy for the city!

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"Who is "Christa"?" Do you mean me? I love comfy, homey bricks and I have ONLY one username here at BR.
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BUFFALORISING: (Does this BR have someone using the name Christa who might object, well, duh?)
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Many, many years ago, when the RR tore down a round house, we gathered up a trunk load of those already-fireproofed-because-they-were-sunbaked-forever (won't explode in a hot grill) bricks for a backyard grill. It lasted for years. We still have some of those bricks in our garden.
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If demo companies pay people to take away bricks then they probably are also free for the taking...
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Really, really old bricks from olden buildings DO deteriorate. So do the "garden" variety bricks sold specifically for gardens--they are NOT the quality of building/paving bricks, and,,,
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speaking of brickish things sold in any RETAIL STORES' gardening sections nowadays; cheap bricks, cement blocks and patio blocks, (especially when placed directly on the ground), do absorb moisture and crumple. They last a bit longer if placed on a cement base until even the cement base stops withstanding the "tests of time"!..
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It is best to check with brick, patio and cement block makers first before actually building anything intended to last awhile.
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Speaking of old, crumpled bricks; crush to a pulp, they are nice garden groundcover that is VERY heavy to remove if you want them gone later on, and so are deteriorated patio blocks, and,,,
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Aren't fresh, clean, white marble chips really lovely in a garden? And don't they turn out uncleanably dirty and yellow after a few rainfalls no matter how much matting is first placed on the soil under them?!
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But, unlike deteriorated, dirty, polluted-air-fumigated bricks and blocks, most, if not all marble chips sold hereabouts for gardens have nutrients for some growing things--at least marble chips used to.
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When marble chips deteriorate and then are mixed with good soil, grasses like Kentucky Blue and Creeping Fesque feast--at least they used to. We don't use marble chips anymore.
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Anything that contributes to the soil doesn't have to be removed unless the gardener really wants it gone.
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Then there's my thoughts about worms--not squishy thoughts, that is...
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Scott Norwood: Have you been, are you now, and will you be the only you?

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Those who may want bricks might consider stopping by the site to ask. There are signs indicating there was asbestos on the site - that may affect what can be given out.

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After reading your above post (11:39 AM), and researching (www.maacenter.org) the origins of asbestos usage that dates back to before ancient mummies were being wrapped in asbestos cloths to recent times when asbestos was most used in the 1940s to 1970s,,,
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It is a revelation that demo contractors (who have known of the asbestos danger in demo schools) would have actually PAYED people to cart bricks away, or be happy when people piled up cars and trucks with "free" bricks at demo sites? WOW!
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NOW, at the beginning of this new century, they are finally giving a care?
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When we were piling RR bricks into our car trunk, I wonder if the ranks&file RR personnel...na...I bet those people also did not have a clue!
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Humanity and other lung-endowed animals will NEVER be free of the exposure--I'm talkin bout the human body's necessary infrastructures here!!! 4-30-09 134p

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They use them for infill on a demolition. After they take out the foundations of the house the demolition companys can only infill with aggregate no larger than the size of a human head. I know this because I asked when they tore down a house near me. Its supposed to be 1 part aggregate to 2 parts soil. Usually they infill 2 parts aggregate to barely 1 soil and get away with it because no on comes to look. So what they do is when a brick structure comes down they either use the bricks for infill or if they have enough get rid of them.

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I am going to go over tomorrow and try to ask for some bricks.
I 'll let you know how it worked out (for the benefit of others who are interested in getting some).

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any asbestos on or in these bricks wouldn't pose much of a threat to the average person. If there was enough of it they wouldn't be able to demolish it the way that they are. An abatement has to happen prior to any actual demolition. Hence the months of abatement at the Donovan, Dulski, Aud before any real work can start.


Also it needs to be friable and in a place where you would breathe it in. Taking these and putting them in your garden where moisture would almost certainly keep any dust on the ground means that chances of exposure (if any asbestos is actually there) is slim to nil.

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The mortar of early brick buildings such as this one did not contain asbestos but the brick is relatively soft and unsuitable for pavers. Older brick was quite porous and not meant for direct ground contact. Later brick had a glaze that sealed the face from the elements and these are much more durable.

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About asbestos fibers: They're everywhere!
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Asbestos fibers are too small to see with the eye, but every single one of them are barbed. Lungs do not expel a single such barb--barbs in the lungs are not surgically removable.
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A fishhook on the outside of a body is removable; an asbestos barb in the lungs is not removable, not even surgically.
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ABOUT BRICKS: the pictures above of the building on the left being demolished looks as if the bricks have been painted over.
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The building on the right looks as if a stain was applied to the outer surface of those bricks, and, the stain looks clean and fresh! Hmmm.
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Bricks need to breathe.
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Speaking listen-up-ly, here is a payattentionification: At the top of today's local newspaper's The Picture Page is an easily discernable example of bricks that "died" because they "sufficated"! How fortunate that there might not have been any human deaths or injuries! 5-1-9 824a

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The local newspaper people,(as far as I can find), do not consign their picture page pictures to cyberspace, do they!

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