Real Estate March 18, 2009 9:20 AM

Two-Tier Tax Hampers Condo Development

Two-Tier Tax Hampers Condo Development

Admit it- you've envied other cities that were sprouting condominium developments on what seemed like every corner during the recent real estate boom.  A growing economy and population helped.  Those cities were also unlikely to penalize new condominium construction like Buffalo does.  Here, a two-tier property tax system puts the screws to new condominium development.

Due to the tax code, newly constructed condominiums are taxed at full-market value.  On a $300,000 unit property taxes are approximately $7,500/year.  But if that same unit is created in a rehabbed building or converted from an existing rental unit, taxes are approximately 40 percent cheaper.  For potential new condo buyers, that potential tax bill is an eye opener and potential game changer. 

"Real Property Tax Law 339y requires new build condos to be assessed at market value, the same manner of arriving at an assessed value used for assessing any other new build residence, and all other residential property for that matter," says Buffalo's Assessment and Taxation Commissioner Martin F. Kennedy. 

The law "requires rehab projects, conversion projects, buildings being rehabbed into condos, to be assessed on an 'as if' basis; i.e., as if they were apartments, taking into consideration the rental such an apartment would generate and base the new assessed value on the subjective projected income basis" according to Kennedy.

The City's system of property taxes generally imposes a minimal burden on one- to three-family houses, and makes up the revenue shortfall by exorbitantly taxing multi-family rental buildings and commercial properties.  It also treats new condominiums similar to new commercial development.

"The tax system discourages new construction," says one local developer wishing to remain nameless.  "It makes no logical sense.  It really isn't Buffalo penalizing the condo developers, it is the NY State condo law that has this inexplicable exception for municipalities, like Buffalo and Rochester, that have two-tier taxing systems."

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The City of Rochester is addressing the problem.  Rochester officials collaborated with the Monroe County IDA to create an abatement program for owner-occupied housing built downtown. 

The Core Housing Owner Incentive Exemption (CHOICE) offers property tax exemptions for the creation of market-rate, owner occupied residential units in the Center City District.  The exemption applies to any new owner-occupied unit created through new construction, renovation, or conversion from existing residential rental units.  Property taxes are abated 90 percent in the first year and increase annually by ten percent and become fully-taxed in year ten. 

Developers have taken notice.

Capron Street Lofts is a 19 unit loft-style condo conversion off of South Avenue in downtown Rochester.  Developer Patrick Dutton told RNews that owner-occupied housing units are good for downtown and the city.  "Renters come and go in for 12 months, 24 months. Homeowners are there to stay for 20 years, they really contribute to the community more than does a renter," said Dutton.

Rochester also assists rental conversion projects.  The Commercial Urban Exemption Program (CUE) offers property tax exemptions for non-residential properties converted to mixed-use downtown. The intent of the program is to facilitate the conversion of underutilized office, retail, manufacturing and warehouse buildings into mixed-use market-rate rental residential use.  An exemption applies to the increase in assessed value attributable to the conversion to mixed-use.  The increase is abated 100 percent for the first eight years, and then phases in with 20 percent increases until the abatement ends in year 13.  

Locally, the Erie County Industrial Development Agency recently adopted an adaptive reuse policy.  More on that initiative in a future post.   

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Buffalo's taxes on residential buildings are not minimal, although it is lower per thousand assessed than the surrounding suburbs.  Switching to a one tier system is highly unlikely.  If it did so the taxes on residential properties would discourage home ownership in the city. 
"There are two solutions," says the developer, "change the condo law or do something like Rochester is doing."

According to Kennedy, "developers who say the 'extreme' taxes on new condos are a big hindrance to building and marketing them may be correct.  However there is another very strong school of thought that says the lesser assessments on very expensive condos in a conversion or rehabbed building are totally unfair and unjust to all the other homeowners and taxpayers."

"This is without a doubt highly contentious legislation that many across New York State are trying to have rescinded or at best changed," says Kennedy.

Numerous other cities have incentivized residential investment.  Similar to Rochester, abatement programs to spur residential development are in place in Philadelphia and Columbus.  Buffalo, at a minimum, should work to remove the disincentives.

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Isn't it smart to incentivize rehab vs. new build? That way, new builds happen in areas with higher demand (EV, waterfront) but don't sprout up to the point that they depress the rehab market.

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Actually, I think it depends on how you look at it. In Buffalo, we've been knocking down residences like it's going out of style under the Mayor's version of Sherman's March (which may or may not be good for the city). I'd like to see these areas experience some nice new-build projects. But on the flip side of the coin, we still have many structures that deserve rehabilitation. Then again, it's likely that other incentives (historic tax credits and the like) would produce the same results.

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The 10-year tax abatement here in Philly has done wonders in the past decade in incentivizing both rehabilitations and new construction of residential and commercial. To me its a no-brainer that Buffalo should utilize this to offset state taxes, but then again the city won't lose any of its revenue, even though revenue will grow after the 10 years, but mostly would stay stagnant if the development didn't occur. Shortsightedness at its best.

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It seems pretty accurate to me, there is always something to impede progress and potential....As we know many would love to live in the city but without the work of an older house....There are amazing new designs for neighborhood friendly condos and townhouses that will fit into the city scape...building affordable new builds in the city would increase populations, pedestrian visibility and revenue stream in the city....Good Luck

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Good point, I wonder if it wouldnt be in the interests of the City to create incentivized districts essentially where the condo tax on new builds would be reduced in certain areas where you would want to drive new condo development and away from areas where you want rehab, this way perhaps you get both. Seems to me the outer harbor would be a great location to reduce the tax burden on new build condos, again a specified geographic area, like an overlay?

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Ultimately I dont think you want to kill new condo develoment alltogether.

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WCP, thanks for this very solid, thoughtful, and well-researched article -- and for making My Fair City look good! These policies were not adopted here without controversy -- there was a lot of grumbling along the lines of: "why are they helping the high-rollers live the good life in their sparkling new digs downtown, while out here in the neighborhoods the housing continues to deteriorate and life gets worse."


But it's not an either-or. We need to both strengthen the core (now I sound like my Pilates coach), and reinvest in the neighborhoods -- in all our upstate cities.

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BTW, can't think of a better time to throw this into the mix: ArtVoice is taking its annual "BEST OF BUFFALO" poll, and you can vote -- NOW: http://stor.artvoice.com/best/


Notice there's a category for "Best Blogger" -- anyone else care to join me in casting a vote for "West Coast Perspective"--?

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Oh gawd no. There are more deserving and opinionated bloggers out there. But thanks for the plug RCC!

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I have to agree with Nick. Frequently go Philly. What has happened in center city, due to their 10 year tax abatement program has been simply amazing. They now have the second highest number of people who walk to work (i.e. Live dowtown) than any other city in the US except New York. What a vibrant city. And the tax break is not forever. It is a 10year tax abatement which gradually kicks in to 100%. The taxes retrieved from the development in its first year is never less less than what the taxes were on the property before it was built out. So the city never loses income.

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Reagans's trickle down economic practices can find a way to infiltrate every government program. We have have twenty five years of practice in our income tax structure and now we are going to incorporate in our property taxes.

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Acorn,

Where is the trickle down theroy coming into play here?

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Does this post really state that taxes in WNY for single family homes are not a burden? Are you serious? My cousin in Chicago owns a house that is worth nearly triple what my house is worth and pays less than half the taxes I do. At the end of my 30 year mortgage, I will have paid nearly the same in taxes as my house is currently worth. One of the reasons that real estate prices are low in WNY is due to the high taxes... NO one would be able to afford to live in the city if real estate was similar to other cities and the tax rates are as high as ours. I don't think condos should be taxed at a higher rate, but they shouldn't be taxed at a lower rate either. If anything this reveals how overburdened by taxes we are.... but the conversation should be pointing to ways to reduce taxes not increase them for ANYONE.

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"Does this post really state that taxes in WNY for single family homes are not a burden? Are you serious?"

I concur. Check the Tax Foundation numbers (http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/1888.html). Niagara County is #1 highest in the USA in property tax rates per dollar of housing value. Erie county is #7, up from #8 last year. To say that we pay the highest tax rate in the country and yet it doesn't discourage residential growth, construction, or housing values is ludicrous.

I'm really surprised this issue doesn't come up more often. Erie County and New York State create a perfect storm of difficulties for development and small business creation, the source of real wealth creation (NOT government spending or union wages)!

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this is pathetic. is there anything else our government can do to make this area LESS business friendly? why do we continue to put the same people in office???? this is a great area and everytime u turn around there is another law or tax that discourages development and business...lost cause

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One way to reduce the tax burden on property taxes would be to do levy taxes in other ways, pay to play taxes as in other states. Alot of these states with the low property taxes hit you with taxes on personal property yearly like boats and cars, etc. Every year in Virginia I pay personal property tax on my car, this above and beyond any tax that would be assessed when purchasing the car. I also have to register my car with the State AND the City I live in and they assess a separate fee for that. In many ways the tax system tends to be based on fluctuating revenue streams, government revenues based on boom and bust cycles in the construction industry and retail sales. Revenue streams come in from sales reciepts, building permits, special use permits, rezonings, etc but when things go bust you end up with government services stripped out as they are being in Virginia right now where VDOT for instance is closing half the rest areas in the state and only mowing the highway right of ways once this year. Its an option but its not the recipe for consistent services thats for certain.

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What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?


Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961;

Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;

Cincinnati , OH (3rd)...since 1984;

Cleveland , OH (4th)...since 1989;

Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;

St. Louis , MO (6th)....since 1949;

El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;

Milwaukee , WI (8th)...since 1908;

Philadelphia , PA (9th)...since 1952;

Newark , NJ (10th)...since 1907.

Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats---yet they are still ....................

POOR

"You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich. You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong. You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift. You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down. You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred. You cannot build character and courage by taking away people's initiative and independence. You cannot help people permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves."

Abraham Lincoln
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You have the nerve to quote Einstein? You only incriminate yourself because you repeat the same inanities over and over and over again. Fox News talking points have disabled your already limited mental abilities.

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It seems to me that taxpayers in this Country funnel tons of money into funding balooning prison populations that live in complexes as large as steel plants. Perhaps its time we asked that our prison populations who have burdened society start turning the financial debt associated with these money pits into revenue gain? How can we get these populations doing something to offset theiur financial burden? Right now society in a way is suffering the financial burden, being punished for punishing criminals. Does that make sense?

New York State does suffer from simply increasing the burden on taxpayers when times get hard I have noticed, the State does need to reassess its operations and streamline for efficiency. When Virginia was down in revenue it actively started cutt

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I hope it does change because a condo in Buffalo and WNY is exactly what is preferable to a patio home in the suburbs for our increasingly retired and retiring senior citizens.

Id rather see a 15 story condo complex near a hospital half filled with seniors than a sprawling 2 acre patio home complex.

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@PaulBuffalo, ok so youre saying that Buffalo has thrived under out democratic leadership??? Population cut in half, taxes highest in the US, 2nd highest Poverty levels in uS, top 5 unemployment, last in Fortune 500 company homes. You tell me Paul, do u think the numbers LIE???

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Yeah Repulicans have done much better with Erie County government. Do you see non-rednecks blaming them for the red vs green budget?

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NUMBERS DONT LIE MY FRIEND...


What do the top ten cities (over 250,000) with the highest poverty rate all have in common?


Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961;

Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954;

Cincinnati , OH (3rd)...since 1984;

Cleveland , OH (4th)...since 1989;

Miami , FL (5th) has never had a Republican mayor;

St. Louis , MO (6th)....since 1949;

El Paso , TX (7th) has never had a Republican mayor;

Milwaukee , WI (8th)...since 1908;

Philadelphia , PA (9th)...since 1952;

Newark , NJ (10th)...since 1907.

Einstein once said, 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'

It is the poor who habitually elect Democrats---yet they are still ....................POOR

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You have never engaged in a reasonable discussion on BRO and have never left your conservative Fox hole. You've demonstrated that you see the world only in black & white and usually attack anyone who disagrees with you in comments that get deleted for being offensive.


You want to continue to believe that Democrats are to blame for all the ills in the world? That's fine. Have fun with the burden of wearing your horse blinders. Meanwhile, why don't you research the wealthiest cities, counties and states in the US, and the poorest counties and states in the US and see how your political argument plays out?

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WCP>"Due to the tax code, newly constructed condominiums are taxed at full-market value."

Why shouldn't everything (new, old, singles, doubles, condos, multi-unit) be taxed at its full legitimate as-realisitic-as-possible value?

Fair is fair. What's the justification for giving special tax discounts to condos as WCP argues for? His article doesn't really give a reason why condo developers and owners should be targeted for special benefits, but just quotes them about why they'd like it. well, duh. I'm sure restaurant developers would like for restaurant building to not be taxed at full value. Owners of buildings that house web site companies would like the same. People who have red houses would like that too.

Am I missing something? Why should condo developers and owners get a better special deal that's not made available for properties across the city?

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1. A look at what I assume is the same source that Assaroni used indicates that many of the wealthiest cities in the country are staunchly democratic/liberal -- NYC, SF, DC, Seattle, Minneapolis, etc. So if we accept his premise -- that the poverty of certain cities is the result of how they vote -- shouldn't we also accept that those wealthy cities are wealthy because of how they vote?


2. The answer, of course, is no -- his premise is garbage. Poverty (or wealth) happen for a whole range of reasons, most of them having little or nothing to do with local politics.


3. It's easy to play Assaroni's game of taking numbers and making them mean whatever you like. For instance, of the 10 poorest states in the country -- South Carolina, Tennessee, Oklahoma, New Mexico, Louisiana , Alabama, Kentucky, Arkansas, West Virginia, and Mississippi -- McCain beat Obama in 9 of them. Are these people poor because they're conservative? No, but you could make that argument if you wanted to be a demagogue. As one of our greatest minds once said, "people can come up with statistics to prove anything. 14% of people know that."


4. Does Obama read Buffalo Rising? If not, why is Assaroni addressing him here? Speaking to people who aren't there is a sign of mental illness.

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The 10 poorest states in the nation are stunchly republican.

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Lets just make a couple of points because it looks like I am going to be one of the few voices of reason who cares more about goals than political affilitions.

1) Buffalo must be competitive with Rochester. If Rochester proves something works then we must consider it.
2) Buffalo must be competitive with downstate and upstate and we make sure that Buffalo/WNY is competitive with PA and OH. If something works then we need to consider it.
3) Republicans like BUSH were a major screw up but so was Carter....there are differences in both republican and democrat states. The biggest problem in democratic states is ossification caused by rigid union contracts and burocratic government caused by inside access of lobbies. buffalos problems stem from unions, albany and political lobbies/patronage.

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'... I am going to be one of the few voices of reason who cares more about goals than political affilitions.'


Well, Chris69/Buffaloweiner/Buffalo21stcentury/QueenCity, you do usually limit your diatribes to anti-semitic affiliations, or racist affiliations, or homophobic affiliations. It's not surprising that you would think you're the voice of reason.

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How can WCP say that the city imposes a "minimal tax" on 1-3 family homes? Where can he justify a statement like that. Where is the evidence? The city is limited by a formula on the amount of taxes it can level. Why not just use full value for everyone and then tell everyone that they have to pay only 50% of the taxes they are assessed. That would help everyone. It would encourage building by all economic classes in the city if we all were given a 50% deduction on our taxes.
Why should anyone own a home in the city when they have to pay their property taxes and 50% of the property taxes of someone living in a condominium.

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Interestnigly the highest teen birthrates are also in heavily conservative leaning states.

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PaulBuffalo must have been spurned by {deleted}, as he is very touchy today...your points are invalid as usual...Numbers dont lie but you do...continue the same path Buffalo is on because things are going so well...NOT...Unemployment just hit 9% Paul, what are Politicians and bureaucrats doing to fight this? Nothing...they are bouncing checks with nightclub landlords, buddying up to Jim Pitts et al, etc etc etc

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Yes, you can always be counted upon to get foul-mouthed so I'm not surprised by your remarks.


You seem to think that if Republicans ruled Buffalo, there would be no problems. Buffalo doesn't suffer because of Democratic rule, it suffers from poor political thinking all around. Unemployment hit 9% in Buffalo? Well, it's high everywhere in the country, so what's your point? Of course, no one expects you to intelligently reply to any of the other comments above that challenged your cherry-picking statistics.

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Have you been asleep for the past 8 years? Republican rule has destroyed our economy and left our country in shambles. Republican ideology has been tried and has failed, move on.

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Let us now walk confidently towards that Socialist Dawn. ( with union-busting and lower taxes, naturally )

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I NEVER EVER said repubs were the answer, i am actually a Libertarian leaning person, my point is that the dems have crushed this area with their Union supporting, high tax, high spending ways. Not here to argue but rather point out FACTS. Olmsted would be rolling in his grave if he saw how much decline we have suffered. The same practices beget the same results.

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I NEVER EVER said the Dems were the answer either, they are too far to the right for me. I remember when Buffalo was in pretty good shape and that happened to coincide with a strong union presence and also very progressive tax rates. Wealth was spread around more equally and a decent life was was much more accessible to the average person. Today we see the result of the concentration of wealth at the top and few would argue we are better off as a result.

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"my point is that the dems have crushed this area with their Union supporting, high tax, high spending ways."
This is one of the funniest of the many local defeatest rants. The poor populist who thinks being bitter and cynical=smart and straight forward. They listen to Rush, Bauerlie and Sandy Beach and blame unions and government for all problems. Organized labor is to blame? The people who pool together to get better working conditions from companies who would otherwise roll them over? Greedy corporate pigs who were too shortsighted and selfish to invest in local factories have nothing to do with our regions economic decline? C'mon a$$!

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The problem with your FACTS is that they don't prove your premise in the way you assume they do.

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Successful city districts REQUIRE a mix of building ages. Time pays bills off, after all. Yesterday's capital expenditures become tomorrow's bargains. If new construction were to be evenly spaced between rehabbed old buildings spaced between buildings left alone, a healthy mix of wealth options would develop, and the older buildings would start to "filter up" and gentrify.


Buffalo is suburbanized enough that we're not used to seeing such mixtures, especially in the same neighborhood, or even adjacent. But the healthiest of neighborhoods have mixtures of incomes, cultures, building ages, and high, medium, low, and no-yield businesses. If these tax incentives could somehow stimulate and infill existing dying neighborhoods, then I'm all for it.

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Good point, couldn't agree more.

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I am responding about the impossibility of renovating existing city houses that someone mentioned in this topic. That mention is still posted so I presume I am not off topic:
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What can be done is a totally different financial structuring from condos, lofts or govt-sponsored new-builds and at a cost much LESS than HALF the $160,000 cost recently mentioned in the local newspaper.
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For the working-class, especially those with children, who truly want a home of their own and ARE members of the working-class:
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Save for that initial down payment or starting cost and then buy a house that is "rundown" but structurally sound for about $10,000, and do that before the REIGs and REITTs can continue to buy up then abandon structurally-sound houses!
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There used to be neighborhood housing services that greatly helped with replacing all the worn out necessites of a home--do they still exist? There is one in a topic here at BR, but some now-deleted imbicile ruined it for actual discussion.
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Hopefully, those housing services existing today include the roof and use legitimate and honest contractors. And then the new homeowner can go the "sweat equity" way toward a live-in homebeautiful.
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In choosing not to use a housing service, or only partially using such a service,,,
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know that "general contractors" will do all the jobs a house needs, but a GENERAL contractor hires OTHER INDIVIDUAL contractors and that costs tons more than if...
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the homeowner gets about three estimates for each separate job (roof, furnace, electric wiring, water pipes) then hires the best one at the lowest price.
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Also note that while getting estimates, ask tons of questions. That way the new homeowner may discover that some of that stuff can be done with "sweat equity" for only the homeowner's own out-of-pocket cost!
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We are in a time that can be an advantage for the modestly paid working-class.
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Construction jobs are drying up, therefore, costs must come down, and, government is overburdened with the cost of building new subsidized housing.
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It will always be true that the ONLY true value of a house is what the public is willing to pay.
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Its time to bring down the cost of houses. In the 1960s, when the working-class could afford them--heck, some houses in the suburbs cost a working-class family with an income of $20,000 only $14,000!!!
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In WNY, with all the gone jobs, working-class incomes are back down to the $20,000/$50,000 level so its time for costs to change with the times.
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$160,000 OHMYGOD! And as far as school systems, there are bad, good and excellent in the burbs, the city, the country...but all such are and will continue to experience cuts...

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