City March 29, 2009 9:45 PM

Remove Those Chickens... (Citi) STAT!

Remove Those Chickens... (Citi) STAT!
"Regard it as just as desirable to build a chicken house as to build a cathedral" - Frank Lloyd Wright

Following email sent to BRO from West Side activist Blair Woods:

Some of you know me. My wife, Monique Watts, and I are 19-year residents/homeowners on Rhode Island Street. We were young, naive and hopeful as 26-year-olds twenty years ago, and have watched our neighborhood deteriorate beyond our wildest dreams, at the same time, hoping against hope and throwing caution to the wind and working as hard as we can to try to make it better.

In the past 5 years, we have purchased 2 empty lots and a vacant house on our block (we bought the house to keep it away from absentee landlords. I have put $15,000 into it and would gladly sell it for $10,000 to a homeowner. It is still vacant, but I pay the garbage fee and the landlord licensing fee and every other damn fee the City deems necessary); we have planted community gardens in the vacant lots and paid city taxes on everything. We are founders of Urban Roots Garden Center, which has created jobs and kept city dollars from going out to the suburbs, and displaced a lot of drug dealers from the corner of Rhode Island, Brayton and West Utica Streets. I paint graffiti, I mow vacant lots - even some that are city-owned. I could go on and on. Hopefully you get the picture.

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Last spring, my wife decided she wanted hens for eggs and pets. She researched city code and found that they were legal. She built a coop in our back yard, did tons of research - for instance, chickens eat slugs and mosquitos and other pest insects and bugs and their manure is excellent fertilizer for gardens, and hens are legal in hundreds of urban centers in the United States, including New York City - and got 5 hens in July 2008. In September 2008, an architect-friend told us he thought they were illegal in Buffalo, and sure enough, there is a 2004 amendment to the charter or city code that makes hens illegal. (She was looking at an older version.) But, for her, it was too late, so she went about her business, knowing there are a LOT of others in the city with hens. Ask the guys who own Elmwood Pet Supply how much chicken feed they sell.

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This past Saturday morning, at 9 am, prompted by an anonymous 911 call, a City of Buffalo Animal Control Officer showed up on our doorstep, demanding our chickens.

Now, I have drug dealers on every corner within a 10 block radius of my house, and have trouble getting police to respond when my life is threatened by those drug dealers. But when someone calls 911 about pet chickens, the City sure doesn't waste any time. My wife was spit upon by the Animal Control Officer and given 24 hours to get rid of the chickens.

Later in the day, Kelly McCartney at the Buffalo Animal Shelter gave my wife an extra day - till Monday - to get rid of the chickens.

My wife is apoplectic about this, and we had already been considering walking away from the City of Buffalo. Mark my words - this will be the last straw. We will walk away from our houses and our empty lots. We won't even wait for them to sell.

I urge someone in City Hall to promptly research why the law was amended in 2004. I would also like to know what penalty is incurred for having female chickens on personal residences, and what rights Animal Control has confiscating these animals. And I want the Common Council to rescind the ban on hens. Taste one of my wife's chicken's eggs and I guarantee you it'll be the freshest, best egg you've ever had. Hens in backyards is a national trend. Let's get back on board.

I can tell you that we make more money than it would seem we do living in our neighborhood, and I have deep enough pockets to fight this should any harm come of my wife's chickens. I will be hiring a lawyer Monday morning. Please, someone, help us.


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I agree, the city should allow chickens. But I'm guessing the city had a reason for instituting this ban.

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My family and I split our time between Buffalo, NYC and West Africa. We raise chickens at our home in Africa and enjoy fresh eggs and meat from those chickens. No one tells people that they cannot raise their own food there (we also occasionally have sheep as well). This has been a trend in the U.S. that is hitting it's apex now of city, state and federal government telling people how to live their lives on many levels. This is just one more way they are legislating our lives.

I am hoping that people like Blair and Monique do not move out of our fair city and keep fighting the good fight. If more people were like them Buffalo would be an even better place to live. I think everyone should have the right to raise their own food. If we as a people do not put our foot down on those who tell us how to think, we are in big trouble.

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Many cities allow them, Portland just last month:


By a vote of 7-1 Portland's City Council passed an ordinance last night allowing chickens to be raised in the city. After a lengthy, lively, and at times humorous debate, the Council voted to allow up to 6 hens for a yearly flat fee of $25. Chicken coops must be setback from neighboring residences by at least 25 feet, though no building permit will be required. An amendment introduced by Council Member Kevin Donoghue to reduce the setback to 10 feet failed.


http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/1221/t/8772/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=26675


http://home.centurytel.net/thecitychicken/chickenlaws.html


http://home.centurytel.net/thecitychicken/

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If you visited Plantasia, you'd think that installing flatscreen TVs above waterfalls was everyone's backyard priority. In fact, growing and raising food is the biggest trend in gardening by far throughout America, and chickens are part of that. Chicken-keeping is becoming very popular, including in urban areas. Like everything, it has to be properly regulated.


I hope Buffalo can change this law.


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If only the hens are illegal I guess you're within your rights to walk the roosters in the morning and have them ****-a-doodle-doo nice and loud in front of your nosey neighbors house. Rise and shine!

I'd just hide them til it blows over.

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Once upon a time, when Buffalo was heavily populated by immigrants from all over Europe, chicken coops were common backyeard adornments. Families from the depression on through the late forties kept chickens on the West Side to the lower Hertel Avenue area and Riverside/Black Rock. Other neighbors on the East Side and South Side of Buffalo did the same.

People used the chickens for eggs for breakfast and the chickens themselves for Sunday dinner. The older genration of women went out back and wrung the necks of those unfortunate feathered few. Don't know when it all stopped, but it did. Now home-kept chickens are very, very bad and those that keep them are too. Too bad.

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F the City. U shud walk and stick them with more abandoned houses to add to their 25,000

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Blair I am sorry for your troubles. What you have done for the city plays a key role in beautifying Buffalo. Your hard work and dedication is essential to the progress happening and growth in Rhode Island community. Sounds like your not giving up without a fight. I wish you both the best. It would be a sad day if Buffalo lost such great neighbors.

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Bless you two for 19 years of trying, I fought for nearly six and walked away, and our problems paled in comparison to yours. I understand how annoying the city is, they will fight you tooth and nail about chickens, but not help you with any real problems that will improve your street or the city. As to the chickens... very legal here in Midtown Atlanta and as Eliz mentioned, it is a growing trend. I hope you get to keep your hens and the city halls off the drug dealers instead. Good Luck!

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Was 2004 the year the bird flu was in the news?

Where do all the chicken wings come from?

Does Buffalo taste like chicken?

Can chickens sell drugs?

Would the City please come pick up all the rabbits? There are more rabbits than rats these days, and rabbits are bigger.

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I may be able to help you out with a temporary location for those chickens - I have a connection with an farm outside of the city.


neil@nickelcitygraphics.com

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...hauls, to early

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Next time I call about the drug dealers I will make sure I say they also have CHICKENS in their yard. This should help get a prompt response.

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The police still wont respond!

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I was just in Portland, OR. We visited with a former Buffalonian who lives in the City of Portland and she and her finance have three hens. She says the eggs are fantastic.

Additionally, the urban growth boundary in Portland has made for a vibrant city and has stopped farmland from being eaten up by sprawl.

It's a shame that we continue to be behind the curve in almost every way.... No one in a position of authority seems to realize that if you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always got.

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The city needs your wife and yourself *and* wholesome food grown within its borders. It doesn't need pointlessly restrictive code ammendments.

The code prohibiting hens is unwarranted. Please stay and fight this.

I now live outside the city, nearby, and keep a small flock of hens and a rooster, on grass and (organic) layer mix. I will shelter your birds if you would like.

Please post here if you would like me to get in touch.

Good luck.

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Perhaps the city does allow chickens in the 2005 code changes , but in the dysfunctional way those morons work, the 2005 code will not be adopted until 2012. This is a change that is needed now. History repeats itself, just after the great depression wasn't there a promise about " a chicken in every pot"? (refering to the abilty to have food to live on.) Last time I looked the KGB was on the other side of the world.
W A K E U P , and hear the chickens, they sure are a lot better souding than the ghetto blasters rocking my house as the SUV's stop in the middle of the street and sell their drugs . I agree with an earlier comment. Report that there are chickens at every drug house.

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The code appears to outlaw all chickens (hens and roosters). However, it may be posible to get a variance or special exception from the zoning board.

Buffalo Rising, don't give up yet. I can refer you to a very good lawyer who specializes is land use is you are still looking.

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My apologies if this is too far off-topic, but max (or anyone else), where can one find the complete City housing code? Is it kept locked up in City Hall?

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Geez, hasn't the City ever heard of Rhode Island Reds--?


I hope that Councilman Rivera's office will get involved in this -- he's a good representative and a voice of reason.


Blair, I've met you on the West Side Stories tour, and I know that the work of you and Monique has inspired people not just in Buffalo, but also here in My Fair City. Please hang in. As an admittedly outside observer, sometimes it seems to me as if Buffalo's City Hall (of whatever recent administration) is determined not to rest until every progressive person or group is beaten down or driven out. Don't let them do it to you! Perhaps it's naive, but I believe that someday the chickens will indeed come home to roost.

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Urban Roots is a bright spot on Buffalo's West Side. A formerly blighted corner is now bright, inviting and thriving. Urban Roots is the only source in the city for the gardener. Organic fertilizers, pesticide free plants, recycled and reclaimed mulches, etc.
So, these great city boosters can't have hens for eggs, as pets and a great source of fertilizer? As a West Side resident myself, I have seen several instances over the years of people lovingly fixing up their property and arriving home from work to find a notice of a fine for missing handrails on a porch obviously under construction, or a curb lawn raised garden (city property,you know).
So, a snarling pack of pit bulls inside a fenced yard is OK but a few hens in a coop insie a fenced yard calls for animal control and a city fine.Another fine case of cutting off your nose to spite your face.

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"Now, I have drug dealers on every corner within a 10 block radius of my house, and have trouble getting police to respond when my life is threatened by those drug dealers. But when someone calls 911 about pet chickens, the City sure doesn't waste any time. My wife was spit upon by the Animal Control Officer and given 24 hours to get rid of the chickens."


This old waiter would just leave. Who needs to be spit on when they are just trying to improve their lives and others around them? Sounds like the city will be losing 2 quality people.

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PLEASE CALL 311, ask for the mayor's call resolution center, request the operator convey your message to mayor Byron Brown..... say "we will fight to save Monique's Chickens!!!" together, Buffalo Rising readers helped save the historic Livery on Jersey Street. Surely we can work to right this travesty of justice. The city said it was OK to have these chickens when Monique responsibly researched acquiring them. Are we collectively responsible for collecting and verifying information that the city cannot keep up to date and available to taxpayers?

IT IS HIGH TIME WE STAND UP TO THESE PETTY BULLY'S IN CITY HALL. OUR CURRENT NATIONAL ECONOMIC CONDITIONS ARE THE WORST SINCE- AND FOR MANY INDIVIDUALS, AS BAD AS, THE GREAT DEPRESSION. HAVE WE REACHED THE POINT IN CIVILIZATION WHERE BIG BROTHER GOVERNMENT FORBIDS US FROM RESPONSIBLY GROWING AND RAISING OUR OWN FOOD? TO BORROW A LINE FROM THE MOVIES, JUST SAY, "I'M MAD AS HELL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE".

I don't personally know anyone else who spent their hard earned money and vacation time to drive to New Orleans after hurricane Katrina, to live in a tent city rescuing the thousands of animals, from kittens to horses-- lost and at risk from the disaster - Monique did that.

I don't know a lot of people who helped start an urban garden center on the west side, but Blair and others did. How many people do you know that open their home once a month during the winter, make steaming pots of delicious soup, so that dozens of neighbors can drop in and stay connected during the long winter months? Blair and Monique do this too. The high point of every soup night this winter was watching the children excitedly don their coats to head to the chicken coop!

Blair and Monique don't have to live here. They are both competent professionals that could live anywhere in the United States, yet they chose Buffalo. They fight to make our city a better place to live every day, and we owe them our gratitude and support. Surely we can express our gratitude and support in a better way than confiscating this kind woman's beloved pets.

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As for the "bully's" in city hall, I would suggest that you call your councilman and ask for the total amount of "quality of life" tickets given out last year. What is the total dollar amount of the fines? How many different categories encompass "quality of life?" I would be interested in where the tickets were given, by council district, neighborhood, street etc. This should all be computerized, available, and discussed on the citistat meetings. I do not recall seeing these tickets discussed.
These tickets are the result of laws that our councilman pass. The real "bullies" are our councilmen/women.

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Paul, well said, and with appropriate emotion! Anyone wondering how Buffalo came to have the nickname "City of Good Neighbors" just needs to meet folks like Blair, Monique, you, and your Livery neighbors. I can only wish I had such good neighbors -- and as good a city councilmember as David Rivera. Has his office gotten involved in this yet--?

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I too would like to know where to access the entire housing code document, i looked online everywhere and no luck. I love how you can report code violations on the mayors website, but there is no list of possible violations.

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The City of Buffalo's Code is known as its Charter. It can be found behind the link on the City's home page (http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/) on the left named "City Charter". The url for the online charter is http://www.e-codes.generalcode.com/codebook_frameset.asp?lg=1&t=ws&cb=1237_A

Blair and Monique - hang in there, we'll legalize these chickens or liberate them. It would be best not to let the City seize them, as I fear they'd suffer at their inept hands.

It's absurd - there have always been chickens in Buffalo, or maybe those ****s I hear crowing are recordings or some other beast.

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OK, roosters I hear crowing . . .

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Kevin, thank you for the link to the Charter. And I concur with Dan's suggestion that there are some fascinating items in here. :-)

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Pigeons fly in and out of Bacchus, rain and snow blow into the building and yet no one City inspector has the thought about citing that business and building owner but they have time to chase after chickens? I guess if the birds belonged to Mark it would be OK.

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I agree with many of the comments posted here regarding the City's quick action to remove Monique's chickens; meanwhile all kinds of blatant violations and crimes occur right under their noses with no action whatsoever. Now, more than ever, it seems like the city is reaching a whole new level of corruption where they "put the screws" to anyone working to keep Buffalo a great place -- this is just one instance of many happening in the city. Between the state's problems and this city's utter ridiculousness, i wouldn't be surprised to see a transition of these kind of people away from the city. It seems like Blair and Monique are pretty connected and respected and seeing them targeted like this sends a very clear message to others bettering this city through local, grassroots efforts. Well done, City of Buffalo, on reaching your next level of incompetence. Well done, I say.

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Thank you Rhachacha.

David Rivera is a responsive council member. Too bad the administration exhibits nothing but contempt for him, and the collective voice of our community in general.

Perhaps the city needs fresh hens to supply the all to familiar egg on their faces?

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Forget the chickens. Get a cow. It's legal. From the Buffalo Municipal Code ...


§ 78-2. Required acreage and permit for keeping cows.


A.No person, persons or association shall maintain upon their premises within the city limits more than one milch cow unless said premises are in proportion of one acre of land to each and every cow above the number of one.

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Thank you all for the supportive comments, information and suggestions. As an update - the girls are in a wonderful safe place and will be well cared for. David Rivera's office has been in touch and are willing to meet with me. Channel 7 will be airing our story at 5 this evening and other news organizations have called. Just to clarify - the ACO did not spit on me - that was a miscommunication. This morning when they came to verify that I had complied with the request to move them, they were supportive and grateful that they did not have to remove them. Also to clarify - no one from City Hall ever told me they were legal, I had a copy of the city codes from the internet and believed they were still applicable, and since it said no permit needed, I didn't go that route. When I discovered that the city codes had been amended, I did speak with someone about bringing the issue back up - just hadn't got that far yet.

Your comments have been a reminder of why we stay here - the people and our wonderful friends.

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Whether they are illegal or not, as one grandma to one young lady, I LOVE that you call them your girls! I'll bet you gave them names and they have individual personailties.
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Is that little red and white building their hen house? Do they get in and out from the left side?
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Do you have to go out to a country feed supply stores and farms for their supplies and straw bedding?
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I remember from my childhood when my aunt in East Aurora kept chickens complete with a rooster, but they weren't her pets. They were strictly poultry, and my aunt and uncle kept farm animals for food only.
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I also had an uncle in the city who kept rabbits in pens he made--they were NOT food. They were his beloved pets.
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When I was a young adult, my grandfather went to the corner store (in the city) and came back with a duck that followed him everywhere until the day the duck disappeared (but grandma had no idea why!!!)
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I told my husband about your chickies. His only reply was """Ohhh,,, Nnnn Oooo"""!!!

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Monique, so glad you weighed in with your news -- best wishes.


Dan, I love your information -- where else but BR could I read about urban chickens and "Milch Cows"--? Seriously, that suggests a great potential use for all that vacant land in Steel's article today: http://www.buffalorising.com/2009/03/the-high-cost-of-nothing-part-one.html

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This topic is interesting.
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I am surprised the lady with the chickens could not find the laws or did not simply call city hall before setting up her brooder hen coupe. The laws governing no livestock within city limits have applied for at least 50 years.
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Everyone can have a vegetable garden or fruit-bearing trees on private property within city limits.
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That has nothing to do with harboring livestock. Any form of livestock is a noise and health risk matter and is against the law.
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When immigrants first lived on this land in this emerging City, they raised their own livestock for food and for religious-based reasons. Their livestock created noise and odors and attracted rodents such as rats and rabbits. Livestocks' excrements (fecus, urine AND blood) also create disease.
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Every so often it is in the news that the newer incoming immigrants (or folks from elsewhere) try to ignore or claim no knowldege of such laws, but neighbors turn them in. And the correct government agency, with NO jurisdiction in the least over drug sellers or users, does their job just fine.
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B_U_T, if this City allows Muslim immigrants to succeed in their THIRD try to run a religious-based "slaughterhouse" within this City (on William Street across from the main post office),,,
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then maybe the lady can keep her chickens after all?!
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The FIRST time the Muslims tried to claim they would be killing chickens, and oh, yes, they would also incidentally kill baby goats, lambs and calves!! That got shot down. So did their SECOND try. but...
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This THIRD time the chickens have become firstly, not incidental after the baby goats, lambs and calves. And all animals, chickens included, will be RAISED at their "slaugherhouse"-- which means they will be kept illegally within city limits.
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If the Muslim religious community succeed this third time, then everyone can keep farm animals, right?
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Well, heck! If this City is going to permit farm animals, then maybe people can stop pricing expensive lawn mowers and lawn mowing servies and simply get a goat!!!

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Ever since I was reading about them over at Buffalo Ideas I've been wanting one. Paul Wolf knows what's up.

http://www.buffaloideas.com/buffaloideas/2009/03/apparently-chickens-are-hip.html

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Hi, all! This is Whitney from Councilmember Rivera's office. Below is an email I sent to Buffalo Rising a little while ago, just wanted to give you guys an update:

Hi, Elena & Newell:
Just wanted to give you a quick update about the chicken situation over on Rhode Island. Perhaps you can share it with the entire Buffalo Rising readership:

Councilmember Rivera is meeting with Monique Watts, the owner of the chickens, tomorrow to discuss the situation. The animals were removed by Ms. Watts and are in a safe place right now. She and her husband, Blair Woods, are longtime neighborhood residents and community activists. David knows their intentions, as they are with everything this couple does, were sincere and good. However, at this moment, raising and/or keeping chickens or any other fowl in the City of Buffalo is illegal.

Our staff is currently exploring policies about raising fowl within city limits from other municipalities similar to Buffalo’s size and density. The Councilmember is aware of people’s concerns regarding animal safety and the health of neighborhoods, and will take them into account as well. Ms. Watts has forwarded to our office information from other cities and we invite you to do the same. You can reach us by emailing me at wcrispell@city-buffalo.com.

Many thanks,
Whitney Arlene Crispell
wcrispell@city-buffalo.com

Chief of Staff
Niagara District Councilmember
David A. Rivera
1504 City Hall
(716) 851-5125

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Crisa:

My wife, working off a 2001 version of the City of Buffalo Charter, found that keeping hens was legal. It's right in the charter in black and white. Roosters were not legal because of noise and because some cultures use them to fight other roosters. Fair enough.

I'm not sure I would consider chickens to be livestock. I think you have to have hooves to be considered livestock.

The charter was amended in 2004. Was it my wife's fault for not knowing that? Yes, I guess it was. But it's a pretty petty thing.

And that is the point.

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Well, one of my points. Another is this:

I bet there were more threats of chicken confiscation on Buffalo's West Side on Saturday than there were DWI arrests or tickets handed out for running stop signs. Or even drug arrests.

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I bet your right, and thats pretty pathetic. The cops cant be bothered to enforce people driving with reckless abandon all over the city, running stop signs and lights, no signals, on the phone, speeding way too fast down side streets, holding up traffic..., and they cant be bothered ticketing people for littering all over the place as well. I witness both of these every single day on my way to and from work, so i can imagine if your job was to drive around all day, then you would see this all day long. However the police dont set much of an example either, driving like a$$holes themselves and constantly on a cell phone.
But hey, as long as the city can get a few rogue chickens off the streets, thats what really matters for the quality of life of the residents of buffalo.

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don't you know by now.. pigs hate chickens, that's why the 911 response is fast.

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by the way, i can't remember the last time a mailman or child was attacked by a wild or escaped poultry!! you wont look so tough walking a chicken. i say ban those pit bulls!!!

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"i say ban those pit bulls!!!"
Hey leave mans best friend out of this :)

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please CRISA, enlighten us further ~ what exact laws prohibited live stock 50 years ago? can you sight them? tell us how easy they were to find? where you foung them?

your argument, based as it is on shallow logic and xenophobia, cuts right to the heart of the issue this paltry poultry poses....which is specifically: is the federal, state, and local government competent or able to manage the challenges faced by our 'too BIG to fail' nation?

must it always be one or the other, black or white, good or evil? is it not the responsibility of elected officials to find the most responsible compromise to the many challenges we face as an ever more crowded population? are the only two options NO chickens at all, or a malevolent Muslim mega-meat-mecca and slaugther house? isn't this the same faulty logic that got us the failed and bankrupting legacy of the Rockefeller drug laws? don't we constantly risk tossing baby chicks with the Bathist bath water?

lastly, if you want to keep this civil, then lets act that way. its pejoratively suggestive and just plane rude to refer to Monique Watts repeatedly as 'this lady'. She is not a shadowy anonymous entity, like....lets say you? she is a member in good standing of our community, much liked, and her name was stated numerous times in the original post. you've thrown out some unsubstantiated assertions, and signed them anonymously.....mmmm, perhaps we need more laws about the blog-o-sphere, i mean, where will it end, anyone could just log on here making unsubstantiated and ridiculously demeaning assertions about individuals, and entire religious communities.......

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Just take a look at all Crisa's previous posts, not a single one goes anyplace or makes any sense, all just long drawn out words that don't fit together and make you dumber, more dumb, every time you read one of her posts.

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Very well said.

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Woods & Watts have earned all of the enthusiastic appreciation for their activism, caretaking, investment, and every ounce of blood, sweat, and tears put into the neighborhood.


Plus there are ways to allow city residents to keep chickens without the vacant lot next door becoming a noxious industrial egg production facility. I am all for urban farming. It is a terrific form of economic development.


Okay, so we all agree that the chicken owners are good and that the code is bad and needs to be changed. The only thing that bothers me about the story as it has been told, and the comments so far, is the implication that some people deserve to have code enforcers look the other way.


If I was an average Joe with no record of stellar civic contributions, or worse: if I were a neighborhood annoyance for whatever reason, and I kept chickens knowing they were illegal, would BRO care if my chickens were seized? Would 30-some readers rush to my defense?


Shouldn't we just be honest and admit that people we don't like deserve code enforcement, while people we do like deserve freedom from code enforcement? If so, then we are hypocrites when we scream bloody murder about that double standard protecting the well-connected. After all, the Jersey Street livery collapsed because there was no code enforcement, because someone liked the old man who owned it.


You can't have it both ways, folks.

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I believe it's illegal for a chicken to cross the road in buffalo city limits. let people have chickens, for eggs or food just limit the numbers.

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I think there are dozens of issues that get raised with this problem, and I don't disagree with you, Lorem. I would ask for equal enforcement, though, for one thing. I hear a rooster crow every day 2 blocks from my house. They were not visited by 3 Animal Control Vehicles on Saturday morning and threatened with seizure. The lawyer I contacted today said they should have given us paperwork, and didn't. It had all the drama of a drug bust, but they were coming after the chickens. If someone had chickens in 2003 before it was deemed illegal, did they have to get rid of them? Was any effort made by the city to inform anyone that chickens were legal one day and illegal the next?

It's like all the other petty stuff that's wrong with the city. Enforcement is based on a neighbor complaining about another neighbor instead of inspectors going out and seeing whether people's roofs were falling into other neighbor's yards and sidewalks were going unshoveled and on and on.

Ultimately, it just wears you down if you're trying to do the right thing. And then you leave. And it just gets worse.

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Lorem,


your point is very well taken, and fought against just such abuses by the preservation community while i lived for 10 years in Allentown and served on the Allentown association board. to this day, that is just how preservation codes are enforced, or not- capriciously and selectively. if asked i would gladly write a series of article for this site. my fervent criticism against our cities preservation organizations has lead some to falsely accuse me of being anti-preservationist, to which my work on behalf of the livery points to the contrary.


that being said, i rushed to the defense of my friends and neighbors, not so that they be given special treatment, but that they be given 'reasonable' treatment and consideration. to give a citizen or group till 'Monday morning' on a Saturday, is the same as giving no consideration at all. that is what happened when we stopped the 'emergency' demolition of the livery on a Friday after noon. a judge gave us until Monday 9am to come up with not one, but TWO qualified engineer reports to substantiate our case....try doing that on a buffalo summer weekend!


what is objectionable to me is the heavy handed and seemingly capricious manner some offenses in this city are handled, while many go ignored. even giving Monique until Tuesday morning would have given her one business day to respond. i personally called in a report about fighting ****s on the west side last year during our annual clean-up and it took a week to get a response, by which time the roosters were removed.


the 'old man and the Livery' you mentioned was well connected indeed, and authorities turned a blind eye while he ran several prominent buffalo properties into the ground with relative impunity. Blair Woods is a neighborhood activist not much in the mayors good graces, and it seemed suspicious to me that's all. perhaps there was nothing more sinister than a city enforcement employee actually functioning in an efficient and timely manner ~ sinister no, but incredulous yes.


other than that, your point it well made, and i don't think any of the chicken cheerers would argue with them......but how about setting some priorities, and using our VERY LIMITED municipal resources in a more effective, coordinated and productive manner? like going after the big fish offenders, and not the little chickens on the sidelines?

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As Paul makes abundantly, if unintentionally, clear, everyone belongs to an "us" and everyone can point to a "them." Everyone considers it reasonable to defend their friends and equally "easonable to go after non-friends. Then we get all indignant and self-righteous when City Hall operates under the same principle.


I still believe that if I was an unpopular figure (not a chronic law offender, just an unpopular figure) whose chickens were seized, everyone here would be saying, "Tough luck, jerk, that's what you get for breaking the law."


Having said all of this, let me be the first to propose a chicken defense fund. The code needs to be changed. Here is one possible tool for it.
http://www.fundable.com/


You set it up, I'll donate.

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glad to see you back!

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Well said (and true) Lorem.

I think the point here though is that the hypocrisy goes in the wrong direction... city officials don't bother with the drug dealers, wreckless drivers, litterers et. al., people who have a far more negative impact on quality of life, but have a couple chickens in your backyard and animal control is at your front door ASAP. If city officials are going to come down on well meaning active citizens who contribute positively to the city then they should also be coming down just as swiftly as those citizens who are contributing negatively to the city.

But again, your right. We can't have it both ways.

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That is a scandal. A SCANdal.

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Lorem -
Not sure what all of your comments are leading to...but just want to say that I never wanted special treatment - always going to work to try and change the ordinance. If I would have wanted to get special treatment I would have let my friend Paul chain himself to my hen house and kept my girls rather than immediately complying with the order to get rid of them. And I certainly wouldn't be taking time away from work and life to try and explore all options.

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No matter how much you blow your own horn,it is still against the law.You should of known this if you are such a community activist. The law you broke is the same as the Drug Dealers you complain about.A law is a law.....and you need to abide by it!

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lorem,

first off, i must apologize for my misstatement that Monique was ever told by anyone in city hall that it was legal to have chickens in her yard, i incorrectly recalled an earlier conversation we had on the subject. i was wrong, and apologize to any city representative i may have impugned. so the only thing i have 'inadvertently' proved is that there are fatal flaws in the loosey-goosey-information-free-for-all which is the blog-o-sphere.

that being said, i maintain there is a logical failing in your categorization of this being an 'us vs. them' discussion. who can, or should ever, speak to circumstances and events they are not familiar with first hand? try and see it this way.....

"In Germany, they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;
And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;
And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;
And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."
"First they came…" is a poem attributed to Pastor Martin Niemöller

quite simply, they came for Monique's hens, in a neighborhood blighted by absentee landlords, crime, drugs, and poverty- under the guise of preserving law, order, and the common good.....the question is, what will they come for next, and under what pretexts?

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YEs,,we love chickens!! In favor for chickens!! Vote yes for chickens,,,even if you were a drug dealer who didn't have the right credentials...Chickens are for everyone!!! West side Puertoricans, Italians, Africans!!! Maybe they'll make some special consideration for white liberal chickens!!! Hahahah just kidding!

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Because of some of the comments directed at me, CRISA, I feel it is important for new people at this Buffalo Rising site to understand that in some cases, what appears to be more than one person/username is in fact only one person able to get into any Web site more than once by having several IPs and usernames.
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Web sites such as this BR do try to catch that but can't get them all.
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Other Web sites are not as knowledgable in catching on and learning how to stop most of the carp, therefore, those other Web sites/blogs/forums lose commenters and even get shut down!
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But when that multiplicity happens, it can appear as if a gang is attacking--and when banned elsewhere, the attacker types find a place to roost elsewhere.
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Incidentally, I, myself, am only username CRISA here at Buffalo Rising. I am an older lady and forever Buffalonian and don't try to present myself as anything else.
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AND, I do not use my actual name because freaks scare the carp out of me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This goes under the Common Council and the Mayor Brown's definition of "quality of life." We keep electing fools for the council and the mayor's offices and this is what we get. They have dumbed down the meaning of "quality of life " in the city. Ask one of these "office holders" what they define as quality of life and they will tell you that it is hiding your garbage tote, cutting your grass to less than 5', keeping a sofa chair off your porch etc. Not one of them would mention programs for your kids, the BPS educational system that they share responsibility for where they should be allocated a decreasing % of our taxes or safer communities and more effective policing.
We get foolish laws because we elect fools for office.

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I just wanted to update all of you that I was in city hall today and met with David Rivera and his team. They are willing to help to outline a possible revised ordinance to present to the council. We will be reviewing city ordinances that allow hens to determine what will best fit Buffalo. You can help by continuing to discuss the issue and show up at public forum if it comes to that. All of the progressive ideas and support for the issue and us as Buffalo residents has reminded me of why we moved here. Thank you

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Prosecute the chicken fighters and dog fights but we dont ban dogs because of dog fighting and shouldnt ban chickens because of chicken fighting. We dont ban cats because some old cat lady is living in a garbage filled fur ball of a house.

I absolutely love it when people have a goat, lamb, chicken, duck in their backyard. Dogs and Roosters can be loud and rabbits like to dig holes and can go wild easily but still to be honest...I love'm.

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