Regional February 9, 2009 11:35 AM

State Senate Reform Committee Declares Syracuse Western New York

State Senate Reform Committee Declares Syracuse Western New York
On Friday, the newly organized state senate committee on reform and rule changes held their "Western New York" public hearing.  You mean to say that you didn't hear about it, or attend to speak about the importance of reforming our "most dysfunctional" state legislature?  I can't imagine why not, when it was held right downtown at City Hall...in, um, Syracuse... .

Coming just two months after yanking the promised chairmanship of the Senate Finance Committee from next-in-line Western New York Senator William Stachowski, the new state senate majority is now again snubbing New York's second-largest urban area--and this time including the third-largest (My Fair City) in the snub--by refusing to hold one of their public hearings on senate reform/rules changes anywhere west of Syracuse.

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"This IS our Western New York hearing," the Manhattan-based chief staffer for the committee told me brusquely on Friday in no uncertain terms.  Hearings will be held in Albany, Manhattan, and Long Island--but their plan does not currently include reaching out to the state's second- and third-largest urban areas.  So in a New York version of "let them eat cake," they are telling all the citizens and government reform advocates from the state's Great Lakes urban areas, "let them go to Syracuse."

The staffer, Andrew Stengel (whose two phone numbers both have NYC area codes), admitted to me that Friday was the first time he had ventured as far upstate as Syracuse.  I don't question his good-government credentials--until hired this year by the state senate, he was on the staff of the Brennan Center, the Manhattan thinktank which labeled the New York State Legislature the nation's most dysfunctional.  Yet the Brennan Center crowed over the makeup of the senate reform committee, despite its inclusion among its nine members of just three senators from Upstate--with two of those being Republican (minority) members, and none within a 150-mile drive of the state's second largest city.  My Fair City--the state's third largest--doesn't fare much better.  This seems to be yet another case of the western half of the state getting short shrift from our overwhelmingly Manhattan-centric state leadership.

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During the 19th-Century religious revival movement, the canal corridor south of Lake Ontario became known as the "burned-over district."  Since the elections of 2008 gave New York a solidly Manhattan-dominated state leadership, it seems that we're now becoming the "screwed-over district."  That was made additionally clear by the noted absence of key Western New York projects from the statewide list of federal stimulus projects.

Knowing I would be in Syracuse on business Friday, I took the opportunity to sign up to speak at the hearing.  I also talked--the day before, and at the hearing--with Andrew Stengel about the possibility of also holding a hearing in Western New York.  I mentioned the very strong coverage by the Buffalo News on state government reform, and that Buffalo's other media outlets such as Buffalo Rising would help get the word out if a public hearing were held in Western New York--but he was having none of it.  That is when he shocked me by stating: "This IS our Western New York hearing."  He went on to say that Syracuse was picked because it was "convenient" to folks from Rochester and Buffalo, as well as Central New York.

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Oh, really?  And how did that work out?  When I arrived at the Syracuse City Council chambers, I saw from the list of the 15 speakers and their addresses that NOT ONE was from west of Rochester--and the one other speaker from Rochester besides me was someone I've never heard of, representing a good government group I've never heard of, and who was handing out homemade business cards with no phone number or e-mail address.  Clearly, the two of us together couldn't possibly do justice to the ideas, experience, and passion for state government reform held collectively by all the residents of the state west of Onondaga County.

WGRZ (Channel 2) reporter Kristin Donnelly fared no better in her attempt to persuade the committee.  The intrepid Kristin and a WGRZ crew made the 300+ mile round trip, only to be told by committee co-chair, Senator David J. Valesky, that there would be no Western New York hearing.  But with characteristic Western New York pluck, she had come armed with a stack of e-mails with the input of dozens of Western New Yorkers.  She produced the e-mails and put them in the hand of Senator Valesky.  Could his choice of Syracuse have had anything to do with the city being in his district?

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I think we can and should do better.  I'd be willing to be that if we make a collective fuss, we might be able to embarrass the state senate into getting out their maps and finding their way west of Syracuse--to allow Western New Yorkers to really participate in bringing about REAL reform of our ever-dysfunctional state legislature.  Not just a rehash of the same ideas and promises which have been trotted out in the past, then quickly put away again when the heat was off.  Contact info for our state and federal legislators is below.

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City Hall: Preservation Association of Central New York, WGRZ, Frank Cammuso/Syracuse Post-Standard

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Western New York, I always thought Buffalo was upstate.

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What an infuriating article. Good for you Ra Cha Cha for even trying! This state is a mess.

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its true that hearings should have been better placed throughout the state, however, I would call Syracuse part of WNY - although, not in the same usage as we have in our local vernacular.


we need to realize many points west of Albany face the same issues. white flight, post-industrialization, urban education, sprawl et cetera affect cities like Buffalo or Syracuse or Binghamton or Utica or Jamestown. we are united beyond our geography. it is time we defined and sought out a strategic vision that implementable by the region's collective representatives and the state and local levels.


on another note, who could blame an elected official for having the hearings in his district? that is what his constituents would want. a stack of emails for individuals well outside his district would dissuade no representative (frankly, i also find that tactic tiresome and weary).


the key is the unification of the effort - make his district ours, make our needs his. coordination not competition!

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I always think it is funny when midwesterners think Buffalo is a suburb of NYC. It is down right scary and insulting to know that Downstate people can't locate Buffalo within their own state. It really is time to create a new state out of the upper part of New York.

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Syracuse has never been considered "WNY".
Someone needs to send these guys a freakin' map.... and a clue.

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Syracuse is Central New York.
This is a travesty!

Western New York needs to seperate from New York and become it's own state. Until that happens, there will be no "reform".

New York State is a joke!
Why does Buffalo get treated like sh1t?!?!?!

ENOUGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Thanks for the comments. I agree with Steel - I used to snicker at the "new state" advocates, but now it just seems like the right idea at the right time for so many reasons.


I get the sense that the current state leadership only wants upstate for hydropower, fresh water, and space to warehouse toxic waste and toxic people as far from The Islands as physically possible. They milk us with taxes that send businesses and the next generation packing. The only attention we get in return is a booty call at election time.


The only upstate urban area that the state effectively partnered with on revitalization was the Capital District around Albany -- but that was an anomaly due to Joe Bruno's godfather-like control over the state senate (as Tom Precious' reports in the Buffalo News last year showed so well). The chances of any urban area west of the Hudson seeing anything similar seem slim to none. We'd be better off going our own way.


BTW, I want to acknowledge and thank Buffalo Pundit, whose snarky style - to which I couldn't hope to do justice - seemed so appropriate to apply to this situation.

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Who cares about making a stink to participate in something that will be completely ignored anyway.

In order to split from NYS we need congressional approval

Good luck ever getting that

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WNY as its own state, that's funny. The WNY State motto could be "Not a Mirrow in Sight," named so for politicians inability to see their own failures or accept responsibilty of the state of this region. Brown will officially designate said motto after close counsel with Jim Pitts.

For those who think that WNY should go all Quebec and try to leave the state, you need to realize that A) 20% of state revenue comes from Wall Street alone and the amount of money NYC generates to help this state is immense, B) despite common wisdom (the intelligent know common wisdom as to be commonly untrue) downstate actually subsidizes WNY, and C) this region is not sustainable with the rest of the state providing life support, so how can it thrive without it? No jobs, population loss, some of the highest taxes in the country, a fragmented, myopic "fiefdom" govnernment structure that perpetuates duplication of services and oversized government. This place is dead. We can have all the stupid, useless tax breaks for jobs (which fail) we want but until and unless this state makes major changes to its laws (governance, tax, labor, authorities, etc), any is optimism is nothing but short-sighted spitting into the wind.

The assumption that somehow, this region has great leaders and the rest of the state is bringing it down is laughable. We're in this state because of Brown, Hoyt, Schimminger, and on and on. They're not beyond scorn and deserve no praise whatsoever. If we're going to conitnue to elect these people, then we get what we deserve, which is special-interested driven politics as usual with tons of lip-service and no results.

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Jim ~ "Much of the high costs (everything from health care, social services, education, municipal labor law, building codes & laws, etc...) are a product of downstate politics created to mainly serve New York City interests. These costs are pushed to the local municipalities in the form of mandates. So while yes, we receive funding from Albany it is mostly to fit gaps in our budget created by unfunded mandates that were frankly not created with the average western new yorker in mind. So while the likelihood of a upstate/downstate split is very remote I disagree our viability as a region is so closely tied to NYC once these costs are removed. The ability to rewrite a state charter from scratch would certainly provide WNY with more control of our own destiny and provide an opportunity to debate how tax dollars are spent and what we can reasonably afford."

My exact thoughts.

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Or just finally secede. We can write our own destiny if we stop bowing to the failed state known as New York.

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The complaint that NYC folks don't know where Buffalo is on a map works both ways and I doubt that many Buffalonians have a better sense of geography.


When I lived in NYC, protest marches occurred on a regular basis and politicians paid attention to public sentiment. Residents of upstate New York always seem to remain docile in the face of diminishing returns. If western and central New Yorkers are serious and want to vent their frustration, an organized and consistent resistance movement that identifies common ground and united interests seems to be the only viable option that remains to challenge the status quo.

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No Al - Syracuse is not Western New York - and shouldn't be lumped into that category for any reason. It is a unique city with its own issues - few of which coincide with issues in our neck of the woods. Having lived there for close to 8 years, I can attest that no one living in that city would say they are anything but CNY...

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BSDW,


i know that if you look on a map, Syracuse is central - but tell me - do Syracuse's needs more coincide with Buffalo's or Albany's?


my point is the entire west of Albany regions should work together to advance a united agenda. high speed rail, anyone?

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BSDW,


I've been doing some consulting work in 'Cuse this year, and have been enjoying getting to know the city better. Architecturally, I've been especially impressed by how many blocks of intact streetscape there are downtown -- although clearly many of the buildings need rehab work (like most upstate cities). Last week I submitted an op-ed to the Post-Standard against the proposed demolition of the art-deco building on Warren St. across from the library -- I understand they'll be publishing it, but haven't seen it as of today.


I also very much like the people there -- one of the reasons that dealing with the sharper-elbowed downstaters at the hearing Friday was a bit jarring.

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Racha, are you being converted from Zwigles to Hoffman's? My Polish heritage doesn't trust those people from the 'Cuse, I hear many put mustard on their Kielbasa!

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You know, Nick, come to think of it I haven't yet had a dog in 'Cuse. But I've always been a Zweigle's fan -- in fact, the cook at the cafeteria at my Syracuse client is from Rochester, so we've exchanged some restaurant gossip, like the fact that Nick Tahou's is still serving Conti's after having some kind of dispute with Zweigle's. I just hope that I can get a white hot -- of whatever brand -- in 'Cuse.

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buffalofalling- while I agree with you our local leadership is not fit to govern in the event of a succession, our dependence on NYC is debatable. Much of the high costs (everything from health care, social services, education, municipal labor law, building codes & laws, etc...) are a product of downstate politics created to mainly serve New York City interests. These costs are pushed to the local municipalities in the form of mandates. So while yes, we receive funding from Albany it is mostly to fit gaps in our budget created by unfunded mandates that were frankly not created with the average western new yorker in mind. So while the likelihood of a upstate/downstate split is very remote I disagree our viability as a region is so closely tied to NYC once these costs are removed. The ability to rewrite a state charter from scratch would certainly provide WNY with more control of our own destiny and provide an opportunity to debate how tax dollars are spent and what we can reasonably afford.

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Could this be the beginning of the end?

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Anytime I can cause a distraction from real issues to talk about delicious meat products I see it as a victory. Have a hoffman's when you're out there, my relatives is the 'cuse swear by them. I do believe they make white hots as well.

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They call pop "soda" in Syracuse. Might as well be in Long Island.

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Not aligning Buffalo with other NYS cities with similar financial/demographic/poverty/etc issues is short sighted, parochial and . . . well, Buffalonian.

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just realize that buffaqlo is a complete afterthought ot everyone except the people who live there...its just not important to the rest of the world

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Hoffman's dogs are OK...they're no Sahlen's however.

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Syracuse is Albany.

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NO one knows where Buffalo, NY is.

When 9/11/01 happened, it was assumed that we could see the smoke from our house!!!!!!

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The people who don't know where Buffalo is don't know much...period.

Just back from California, and everyone I spoke to there not only knew where Buffalo was but had genuine curiosity and some positive preconceptions about it.The most parochial city in New York State is New York, something you don't realize until you live there. Then you see how uncurious a city New York can be, how self-absorbed, how self-important. That provinciality has hurt the rest of the state.

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Syracuse and Buffalo are charmingly similar. I've lived for years in each, as well as other cities. The CNY & WNY cities would benefit more from mutual political pursuits than the pointless, ignorant, geographic sniping found here and elsewhere.

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Dagner, I'm not sure what you're reading is so much inter-city sniping, as it is a reflection of the post-election frustration with yet another sign of the state's Manhattan-centric leadership snubbing WNY. Frankly, I'm glad CNY got a hearing -- it's a good location for a good chunk of the state, but *not* for WNY. I'm also quite used to My Fair City being passed over, and don't see that as so much of a big deal. Often with state-level hearings, we find one held in CNY, and one in the Buffalo area - not a huge problem, since either is about any hour down the Thruway, and we get our choice of which is more convenient.


But to snub WNY completely...what are they trying to avoid? Perhaps the Buffalo News, which takes on state reform issues better than probably any newspaper in the state outside the Big Apple. Perhaps Tom Golisano, who's appointed himself some kind of reform watchdog [insert joke here].


I agree with you about the many similar characteristics and needs of Syracuse and Buffalo -- and throw in My Fair City as a bonus. Most of the upstate cities are in the same leaky economic boat -- one of the best off is the Capital District, after a decade of Bruno Bacon. In fact, the cities are teaming up, with larger initiatives such as Unshackle Upstate, and smaller, such as the recent joint effort -- launched in Syracuse, but with a huge contingent of WNY folks -- to strengthen the NYS rehabilitation tax credits (which you read about right here on BR: http://www.buffalorising.com/2009/01/reinvest-ny-holds-statewide-summit-on-preservation-tax-credits.html)

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Not only do some people think that Buffalo is s suburb but, part of one infamous zip IS both ciy and suburb.

And, local newscasters not actually from anywhere near Buffalo have been heard saying that Bailey Avenue is the ciy line.

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