City February 9, 2009 6:10 AM

Growing Up City: Street Wise

Growing Up City: Street Wise

In the 6 previous segments of this series I've expounded on the benefits of my city childhood.  I also recognize that I've been afforded access to those benefits by way of my relative privilege.  I had great parents who provided grounded guidance, quality educational opportunities, and a comfortable, carefree living.  These things allowed me to take advantage of the city's assets that have enriched my life.  As we know, there are many others to whom the city can be a crushing weight.  In parts of the city where society has become unwound the institutions of civilized human existence can be weak or nonexistent.  Growing up in these impoverished parts of the city is a world removed from my experience.

The second installment in this series described my early upbringing in Lackawanna where poverty was rare, and black people were nonexistent.  I use the word nonexistent on purpose because the idea of a black person walking the streets in the eastern part of Lackawanna in the 1960's or 70's was about as feasible as seeing a Martian walking those streets.  Fast forward several years, and I find myself working on the black East Side with my father in his property management business.  In this last installment of my personal experiences "growing up city" I thought I should add balance by adding some insights gained from a more troubled part of Buffalo.

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The East Side is like Lackawanna in reverse.  On the East Side, poverty is the norm and white people are nonexistent -- non-existent, that is, except for the landlords.  Many would describe those landlords as slumlords.  My father was a landlord, but he was not a slumlord.  He worked very hard to manage his property in a way that produced good apartments, while providing us a living.  He owned property on the West Side, in Elmwood Village and on the East Side.  Each of these neighborhoods had a very different tenant base, requiring their own management techniques.  I worked with my father in his business on various weekends and in summer, doing minor repairs, cleaning, hauling and painting.  Some of his tenants became good friends and remain so to this day.  Along with the good, came the bad.  Our days could also be filled with the horror stories of the residential rental business.  In each of these three neighborhoods tenants could be good or bad but the East Side was a very different place in which to do business.  It was a place that took special knowledge and the shrewd streetwise attitude of my father in order to succeed.

Over the years, he purchased somewhere between 15 and 20 buildings at city auction.  I don't think he ever paid more than $7000, even though some of them had up to 8 apartments.  He would put a few thousand dollars into the buildings to make them livable and comfortable and instantly rent them out making his money back in a very short period of time.  Many of his acquaintances would see what he was doing and started doing the same thing only to find that the money did not roll in as easily as it looked. What they did not see was that my father had to pretty much follow the mailman around on welfare day, the day the government check arrived.  If he did not do this, rent would go unpaid more often than not.  

Fires were common in his East Side properties. Central heating in many parts of the East Side is rare, which means space heaters are common.  Space heaters are dangerous devices, especially when combined with a lackluster appreciation for their hazards.  More than one fire was started by people drying their clothes by completely covering the heater unit with socks, shirts, and pants. Renting out an apartment on the east side is not the same as in other places.  The idea of a lease or a contract is foreign in this part of the city.  My father would often drive by a property to find the front door wide open.  Upon inspection he would find that his tenant had moved out without notice and without paying rent. Often, when tenants moved out, an apartment needed to be completely renovated.  Destruction and vandalism was common.  Sometimes fixtures and doors would be stripped.  On one occurrence a tenant waked him in the middle of the night.  She was screaming that the boyfriend of an upstairs tenant was breaking windows in the building.  He arrived the next day to find every window in the building broken!  Needless to say you need a certain will and perseverance to deal with these kinds of things.

If you have never seen poverty up close and first hand (not just in pictures and movies and documentaries) the problems of places like the East Side can seem distant and abstract.  By benefit of working with my father on his properties, I have seen real poverty up close. I have seen real people living their lives in a world that was nothing like the United States of America that I was growing up in.  On the East Side, I saw ignorance that I could have never previously imagined.  I have seen trash-filled apartments.  I have seen apartments with the sole piece of furniture being a mattress in the corner.  The people I met were people who had no concept of how to apply for or keep a job, people who had never held a job, people who had no concept of what it took to get into a college or even what college was.  

The art of the scam was the most common skill on the East Side, and I saw up close the way my father understood this and mitigated its effects to the extent possible.  On the East Side, children are taught at an early age how to scam the system.  Many residents of the East Side see "The system" as the reason for every problem, and the white man is seen as the system's benefactor.  Getting an education, going to college and starting a career was a natural path for me.  To a kid my age on the East Side, getting on "the welfare" was a career choice.  Not because of laziness but because that was what you did as a natural course of things.  

As I write this, I can hear the predictable comments.  "Get a job!  Welfare cheats! Lazy!  No good!  Why should I care!  Why should I pay!" along with at least one racist rant.  Having seen the poverty of the East Side from the inside up close, I felt and understood the reality and complexity of the problem. It is a sickening sight to see a baby playing on the floor of a roach filled apartment because her parents never take out the trash.  It is hard to feel compassion for people who do everything to guarantee failure.  But, the children of the East Side are locked into a downward spiral that destines them in most cases to continue the failure of their parents and our society.  These are problems set in motion by centuries of American racism that are now perpetuated by a community with limited means to break the negative cycle and reinforced by an outside society with means that refuses to take responsibility for creating the problem in the first place.  I think of the babies I came in contact with 30 years ago and wonder what life brought to them.  Most likely nothing good.  In one case I know one of them was gunned down as a teen.  Those babies are not responsible for the life that is being prescribed for them.

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The images included here show the only remaining house from my father's former buildings.  He sold them as he retired and one by one they went into neglect or burned or simply became vacant because the tenant moved out and no one ever moved back in.  The once densely built neighborhood has been wiped away.  The city tears down the houses and sometimes replaces them with new suburban style units, and its former residents have mostly moved on to some other part of the city and increasingly parts of the inner ring suburbs.  The cycle goes on and on and on, with no real proposal for ending it. 

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Great article! I'm an avid follower of David Torke's Saturday morning East Side walks, and know the neighborhoods you're talking about. I don't know about other people, but I grew up with the idea that "the suburbs" are always cleaner, safer, and white, and "the city" is just dangerous, dirty, and old; but whenever I'm there I take the time to get that precept out of my mind and just really LOOK AROUND at what's there. And I'm disgusted.

EVERYONE deserves a clean, safe place to live, EVERYONE. Each neighborhood deserves the same basic attention and respect, and that some prosper and are lavished upon while others have unmown baseball fields, deplorable sidewalks and totally open city-owned property is astounding.

Go read David Sucher, who penned the idea that "everyone deserves places with civic dignity." Why are those giant granite flowerpots only on Elmwood Ave, and not Fillmore Ave? Why are flower baskets only maintained in Buffalo Place, and not North or South Parade? Why don't cops walk a beat anymore? How long was the wading pool in MLK park cracked and empty? I would be mad too, if my house overlooked a highway that allowed people workers downtown to speed out to the suburbs, leaving me with nothing but their exhaust.

Obviously there's other issues here; I don't know what it is to grow up black, on Welfare, or on the East side (white guy from Kenmore here). Social changes are necessary too, but it's sort of moot to push that until there is a commitment there to protect new homeowners and incubate new businesses. Social changes are also the bigger problem (it will take at least a generation to change the current mindset), but they need to occur IN CONJUNCTION with conspicuous investment (OTHER than Welfare).

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Growing up in Black Rock during the sixties I saw little of the poverty that would slowly come to dominate my neighborhood. Most people had decent jobs in industry and had enough money to live a decent life. By the late 70's these jobs were disappearing and my generation had much less opportunity than our fathers and grandfathers. The 80's brought "Reaganomics" and began the divide between the haves and have nots. Today it is obvious that the wealth of this nation is concentrated at the top leaving little for the rest. Opportunity for upward mobility is pretty rare for the average person born into poverty. Here on Buffalo Rising poor bashing is a favorite of many. I wonder how many poor people they really know or if they have ever been poor themselves.

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I thought Clinton signed NAFTA, not Reagan B-R-L? I don't think Reagonomics is the sole reason mfg jobs have disappeared from the US. Maybe more to do with unlimited globalization and unlimited free (from them to us, that us) trade.

And pitbull lover - those things were bred to kill things and each other, can't fight the genome bud.

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Your correct, Clinton was too far right and made some mistakes but it was Reagan and Bush that glorified greed and made it fashionable to blame the poor.

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Oh boy another message board macho man. Whatever you know or dont know about the genome you are pretty ignorant about dogs and dog breeding. Stick to topics that you know somthing about bud.

Back to the topic: Although poor in this neighborhood are in an unfortunate situation I wouldnt absolve them completely from responsibility from their plight. The family who lets their child to play in filth because they would not take out the trash are not victims at all. You dont need much of a salary to keep your house clean. Also this neighborhood seems to be the capital of garbage being thrown out of car windows. When my office was on the Midtown stretch of Main St. I would spend a half hr per day sweeping the sidewalk from all of the food wrapers and crap that people tossed out of their cars. Again, you dont need to be wealthy to put trash where it belongs.

I wish I had the answer to what could fix this neighborhood. I used to think homeownership would cure all of the East Sides ills but how does someone who has never owned a bank account supposed to pay a mortgage? Whatever the fix, somthing needs to be done. As the op pointed out as these houses are demolished, the ghetto has spread. In my lifetime Ive watched Kensington-Bailey and Schiller park become absorbed in this mess and parts of North Buffalo have been impacted. People cant turn their backs on this. Every one of us has a stake in this.

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iluv I agree with you. In my six months of having my pit, she's become one of the favorite dogs in my building. The kids love her and she tries to sit on anyone's lap whom she passes, she's probably the most lovable dog I've ever had!

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Thats awesome. My pit thinks hes a lap dog too.

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your dog is macho

try your cudly line on the thousands of people mauled by your loving breed...

one day the neurons meet, and the dog will snap on someone or something, hope you still love it then....lot's of these things in shelters, wonder why

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Steel, lots of food for thought here - thank you for taking the time to write this up. I'm involved in a community project here in a neighborhood with pockets that would have a fair amount in common with your east side description.


Judging from what you write, you agree with my view that poor people don't cause this situation - rather it's the concentration of poverty. It's so important for planners, decision makers, and public policy folks who deal with the abstract maps and census tracts to be able to internalize what it's really like to be in a 50+% poverty census tract on a day-to-day basis.

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Sort of on topic reply to Clockhill:

A lot of it comes down to concerned residents taking things into their own hands and using the city as a tool to accomplish their goals.

Where ever you see planters, flowers, etc there are usually volunteers behind the scenes working to get an investment out of city hall, if not paying/fundraising it themselves and then upkeeping it once installed.

Or you have public entities like Buffalo Place that are funded in part by the remaining buisnesses in their juristiction. Or the Elmwood Village Association in which businesses and residents join into a single voice and planning entity and remain upkeepers.

Sitting back and waiting for a city to do something, especially a cash strapped one with so many issues awaiting attention will most likely result in nothing gained. Just placing pots down on Filmore Ave will only assure you have broken, dead folliage or missing pots if no residents are behind the upkeep. (I grew up around Clinton-Filmore in the 80's) Even the new medians on Main St. by South Campus are having these issues with no one taking the responsibility to care for them.

Everywhere you look to see gardens and flowers in Lockport parks/streets volunteers are behind it. These old cities with their legacy costs and declining tax base can not afford these otherwise.

I have been on a number of David's walks in the Artspace area and beyond. You do run into immaculate properties and talk to concerned residents. How do they get togather to initiate change and make sure they are not forgotten? Each neighborhood needs a leader or two and then other residents to work with them. These are not in abundant supply. Even in the best of neighborhoods.

I do not have the experience to chat about the culture that results from the concentration of poverty. Though I do not feel it will ever be fixed without a region wide solution. The inner rings of the suburbs, like the western border of Cheektowaga, are now seeing that is a metropolitan issue and not just a city one.

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Fantastic article! Sad stuff but very eye opening about a place that most of the world would choose to ignore. I used to run a business that bordered the cold spring neighborhood and this article decribes life in (parts of) the East side spot on. The scam mentality. This business endured vadalisim, vagrancy, theft, and armed robbery from its customers. Like most of the businesses in that part of town this one was owned an operated by whites and you could see the resentment from a neighborhood that had been collectively ignored by "the system".

This area is one of the lasting legacys of Buffalos de-industialization. When steel and autos were running full tilt there was a demand for unskilled laborers which brought in thousands of migrant workers from the south. Like other immigrant groups they came in the pursuit of economic freedom and the American Dream. Also like other immigrant groups they looked and acted different and were treated poorly by the rest of town. Soon after this mass migration began forces beyond local control rendered Buffalos heavy industry obsolete thus putting these unskilled laborers who in many cases didnt even know how to sign their name, to the unemployment office.

Apathy is rampant in this neighborhood by both residents and property owners which leads to the decay and ruin. Kudos to you and your family for putting so much work into the family business. Many landlords in your position take a lot more than they give.

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STEEL MAD LIBS!!!!

While I was designing another _____-_(hyphonated adjective____ ___(noun)___ in ___(city)____ I started to feel ___(non action verb)___ for ___(pronoun)____. I recalled the times when I ___(verb)___ the ___(noun)___ of nearly every ____(color)____ ___(noun)____ in my neighborhood. To do this I would ____(verb)____ pictures of the grand ____(noun)____ of ___(city)___. When I saw the ____(adjective)____ expressions on their ____(plural noun)____ I knew I had saved their ____(plural noun)____. Since I had seen how ___(pronoun)____ ___(verb)____, by virture of my ___(possessive noun)___ profitable business I knew they needed ___(verb)____. Now, I can feel ____(adjective)____ about not ____(verb)____ in ___(noun)____ while I enjoy my ____(noun)____.

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And don't forget lil' Bush's "culture of ownership"....

And Steel, I was just trying to be funny, nice post...

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Did you know the current financial crisis is the fault of poor (which means lazy and immoral) Americans brown and black and white trash people. Not only them, but evil socialist Carter and Clinton and probably Obama, too. ... whaaaa?

Have you noticed recently everywhere you look, someone is blaming visible minorities and the poor (or organizations and governments that support them)? New talking point starting to catch on? (Too many people listening to Neil Cavuto: "Loaning to minorities and risky folks is a disaster."?)

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Thanks for a great post, Steel. Good for your dad for being a landlord who did well by his tenants. I appreciate that.


I plug a book I read at every opportunity, such as this one, which deals with the cultural chasm of haves and have-nots in the African American community. The book is "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" by Thomas Sowell. The author (African American) posits that poverty within African American communities has mostly to do with southern slaves adopting the white trash mores of southern slave owners. Fascinating read.

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Steel- Your fathers experiences as a landlord are similar to my own adventures owning a 2 family house in Black Rock. The culture of poverty is hard for many to understand but really comes down to the old "when you ain't got nothin you got nothing to lose". Not defending that mindset, just stating the reality. With no stake in the community there is no commitment to community. Most poor people are not evil or scam artists but more likely lack opportunities and support most Americans take for granted. Some have disabilities and to be blunt, some are not too bright. Many work at crappy jobs and hustle what they can to get by. The popular right wing notion of all these people "living large" off the system is not only dishonest but naive.

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This article is interesting...Leaves a mental picture of big steel REIGs!

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Homeowners both in this City and immediately outside it, who are deeply concerned about what the heck happened and is continuing to happen, are learning how the heck it happened by following blogs...

and...

Did anyone see the news article about the man who, while walking his own two dogs on leashes, came across a pick up truck with the carcasses of dead pit bulls?

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Wagon,

Have you ever personally interacted with a Pit Bull? Actual fighing pits are trained to not attack humans, and those that do are killed. The pits that attack humans have been abused and or trained in that manner.

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VersusWorstes

About that truckload of euthanized pit bulls:

There is a reason why pit bulls are concentrated in a city. It is because, so far, transient tenants, who never lite anywhere for more than an average of two years, are concentrated in cities.

In the matter of dog bites, it's all about homeowners vs houseowners vs insurance liability vs who can be sued vs who not only can't be sued but can't even be located TO sue.

Yes, it does no good to try to sue a transient of any sort(and houseowners know that).

But, while renters can often be too in-transit to keep track of, the most important responsibility of what goes on in any house DOES NOT FALL BACK ON that most important of all to keep track of, the absent HOUSEowner.

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It doesnt matter the breed of the dog is, its the people who raise them. I have friends that have pits, and they are great, nice, loving dogs. The worst thing they will do is lick you to death. The reason they have a bad rap is because it seems to be the dog of choice for all the low life thugs to own, fight, not raise properly, and so on. If these people enmass owned boxers, bulldogs, or german shepards instead and raised them the same way, these would be the breeds with the bad rap. Its just plain old ignorant to believe otherwise. Ban the pit, then it will be a different breed that was not a problem, but will become one because its the new 'ghetto dog'.

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Want to know which dogs are most likely...? Ask a vet(erinarian).

I think Shepards are the most likely to bit the the hand that heals them.

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Crisa,
I believe you are correct. When renting one of our rental units, a potental tenant had a Rott, we called to check if that would be a prob w our insurance, our agent said a german shepard was the only breed we could get covered for.

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Sorry, i meant 'couldnt' be covered for.

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Thats good news for me. Im looking to buy a house and I was worried about not being able to get insurance.

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When I adopted my pit, it was the pound's policy to call my landlord for approval. It's very much a perception thing. People in my building (13 stories, lots of elevator contact) tend to come right up to my dog and pet her with no problem and no hesitation. On the street, there is a significant segment of the population that strays away, and some that will cross the street when they see a pit bull, though many people seem leary of any dog large than a pug. In my neighborhood, much of the population has a connection with dogs as being attack dogs and not pets, hence they shy away from mine.

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Oh. Better check with your home insurance agent and your dog's vet. I am not sure but I think the second most likely to bite it's doc is the Rotty...

The sadest thing on TV is that commercial for the spca that shows a dog behind bars with that "In the arms of the angels" song playing.

The sadest thing at the movies is when old Marley had to be euthanized--but I also think that movie is the best way for a child to learn what putting a beloved old dog to sleep means.

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Well I guess this post has been hijacked.

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Sorry for my role in that. Again, great writing! As someone who made a living in this neighborhood its tough to get people who havent spent much time on the East side to understand what this place is like. I must say your attitude on the east side is refreshing for someone who was involved in property rental. Many of the folks I know in this business are jaded and openly racist. They dont "completely rebuild" their apartments when they are vacated even if its required. They will usualy knock the rent down and have the tennants fix the place (if they want to).
Its good to see someone spreading the word on this too. Many folks would like to believe the troubles on the east side can be contained if they just turn your back on the place. As you pointed out, the houses are being removed and these tennants are spreading throughout other parts of the city essentialy spreading the ghetto. Having one or two of these destructive people on your block is enough to make some run for the burbs. This is how stable neighborhoods decline.

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Aren't these topics supposed to stimulate conversation?

Occasionally, (although not for most here at BR), without additional input, some topics would just die a natural death!

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AT THIS VERY MOMENT a channel is featuring what renters can and cannot do to decorate the apartment they don't own.

It's cracking me up to be on this topic as someone is saying "...Can't put holes in the walls...".

And that person speaking meant tiny holes to hang pictures!

About future accountability:

Imagine this in the future::

Teenager #1 online with teenager #2 at ItsMyFuture.soc.

Teen-1: ...Ohhh! You're telling me that your granddaddy used to own that building?!

Teen-2: Yea.

Teen-1: We used to live in that building!

Teen-2: So?

Teen-1: Were you ever inside that building?

Teen-2: No, why?

Teen-1: Remember when I told you about my...So, where is your grampy now?

Teen-2: He's right here.

Teen-1 disconnects and finds mom who also gets online but not to teen-2's granddad...

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Pitbull,

Don't get me wrong, Renting on the east side makes you very jaded. The system is stacked against the landlord. The tenants can do anything with impunity. There is almost no recourse to recover losses due to damage or non payment. Unless you get the rare good tenant your apartment is assured of being destroyed with each new tenant.

As I noted in a previous post I am enjoying watching The Wire on DVD. That show depicts exactly what I saw on the east side. It is amazing that this happens in this country. People in this country are oblivious to what our society has created. Imagine the great minds that are being wasted because the children of the east side have almost no chance from the very start. Too many people think that just because they moved to Orchard Park the east side is no longer their concern. Too bad because perhaps the young child that could have grown up to find the cure to cancer was smothered by the oppressive ignorance that we allow to fester in OUR inner cities.

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STEEL- I agree, as a landlord it was almost impossible to recover lost rent or damages. Evictions usually cost two months lost rent plus the lawyer and sheriff fees. The only way to maintain control was regular visits to check the property and talk to the tenants. This can get to be a chore and requires an aggressive stance that I learned to adopt (though with reservations).
As long as poverty and the associated problems are isolated from those with the political power and wealth to bring about real change it is unlikely these people will act. Selfish elitism dooms generations of poor children. Pretending "its their own fault" is a favorite method of justifying lack of concern. The huge disparity in wealth has divided America into two unequal and greatly weakened our society.

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Rampant poverty is a community problem as long as the ghetto contiues to spread. As outsiders there is only so much we can do to help. There has to be more desire from the poor community to improve themselves in order for there to be any changes. Heavy handed govt funded urban renewal which was widespread in the 50s and 60s accelerated the decline of the East Side by scattering the poor into marginal neighborhoods to destableize them. In addition planners failed to understand trading old slums for new ones did little to reduce poverty.

Again, Ill go back to how seemingly simple it is to keep your house and neighborhood free of trash. If you havent spent much time in this neighborhood this wont make sence but it is a place where bad credit, infidelity and ignorance are virtues instead of flaws. Steel, the "families" that trashed your apartments and stiffed you on rent no doubt had a good chuckle with their buddies about how they put one over on the "system". If you are a child in this household and you overhear this what do you think you will do when you grow up? I feel sorry for the many people in this community who do "get it" and are trying to improve their life and the quality of their community. They are often looked down upon by their neighbors as "sell outs" and are lumped into the same category as the dirtbags by many outsiders.

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And there you have it, onversation stimulation happens... TYall

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Oops. Lost the c.

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Hey. NO. Leave it 'onversation stimulation'!!! That's even better...

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My question has always been:

Is it a matter of providing worthwhile housing and services to people with this mindset, and then teaching them how to take care and better themselves, or teach them how to take care and better themselves AND THEN improve the surroundings?

Chicken or the egg, a little bit.

Also, again Im a white guy raised in Kenmore. How many of the posters here are also minimally involved suburbanites, and how many posters here are either from neighborhoods or situations like this, or are currently invested in neighborhoods like this (either your home, business, or rental property)?

I just want an accurate idea of who is speaking from experience, and who is an armchair observer. (For all my interest in, and visits to, this area I'm basically an armchair observer myself.)

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Great question, For the record my comments come from a lifetime of experience here in Black Rock. I have restored my own home and have owned rental property here in the past. I have been involved in my community for many years and do a lot of volunteer work on neighborhood improvement projects. I was a board member at Neighborhood Housing Services and currently am a member of a committee working towards establishing a historic district in the Amherst and East St. area. I find many comments on BRO to be misinformed at best and it is obvious that many posters have little first hand knowledge of the problems of our city.

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I don't know but have guessed the posters are mostly not speaking from direct experience. We're all concerned, but many have left the city alltogether (me). Rarely do I see comments or posts from people outside of the EV or nearby areas. It's an issue.

People talk dry, but drink sweet as they say.

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"Talk dry, but drink sweet tea" good analogy. I have never heard that before. Do you know where it originated? And of course Black Rock is not the EV and though not the east side we share the some of the same problems.

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Steel - I like how this post is relating to the bigger picture.

I think the problem's roots is the lack of a good base of blue collar jobs. When there is no hope, behaviour degenerates into unbelievably low levels. That behaviour then becomes almost stylish in the so-called street culture. It's a twisted form of social evolution.

Pitbull - I would say the ghetto spreads because of Buffalo's now historic inability to adapt to new manufacturing or service bases. It might be hard for these people to care about trash when they have no hope.

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Alright OTW! I have to say I agree. As far as my East Side credibility I lived @ main-humbolt (Canisius)for 4 years, Managed two businesses on and or catering to the East Side (auto rental, rent-to-own)for 8 years. For the past 12 years I have lived in the city and I presently own a company on the Amherst side of the Buffalo border that caters to roughly 60-40 W.Amherst residents to Kensington-Bailey residents. In addition I patronize various E side pubs, markets and other attractions. I am not nieve enough to think Im on the level with your average Black man or woman (not all residents of the East side are black see Lovejoy). I am however very well oriented with the neighborhood and would consider myself a credible source not an urban tourist.

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The east side issue is not a jobs issue. Many people if not most in the most troubled parts of the city are not employable. They completely lack the social skills to function in the greater American society. Think of this problem in reverse. If I was dropped into the ghetto and told to make my way I would be at a complete loss. My societal training would be worthless there. The inner city slums train people to live in inner city slums by the rules of those slums. The solution will be a plan to break that cycle. Our current way of doing things is set up to reinforce the inner city slum system.

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I think this has become more ingrained in the past 25 years. As opportunities faded more people grew up with no hope of getting a decent job and this also resulted in fewer role models to emulate. In the fifties and sixties it was possible for poor and black men to get good jobs in the heavy industry. This produced a couple of generations of solid citizens that bought homes and cars and had a stake in their community. Today that route to the middle class has been pretty much been shut down.

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Right on! We need to offer more opportunities for those who want to work instead of perpetuating the corporate brainwashing of higher education. We lost our way when we decided that someone must go to college to make a decent wage. What ever happened to equal opportunity and an honest days pay for an honest days work. We have too many crooks and scoundrels stealing from the poor working class. The ones who put in the honest work to see their pay cut and jobs sent to the wetbacks and towelheads. We need more hard working people like the good old American Auto worker and less people like the elitist scumbag bankers.

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And Obama's stimulus package includes $4billion more for public housing. I'm not sure what that means but there should at least be a discussion about the role public housing plays, both constructively and destructively, in the lives of its recipients. But instead that money was tucked away in a huge package where its merits are overshadowed. We need that discussion because in so many communities, public housing has become an ingrained factor in so many other social issues. As for the low functionality of many people in poorer neighborhoods, I think that's little different than a low functioning child. A lot of intensive work and focus on building functional behavior is what's needed and that requires things in short supply in America: patience, money, and devoted people. Promoting such an approach would be a real 'stimulus' as it would employ many more people than public housing programs and create a hugely positive spinoff effect when the beneficiaries of such efforts are finally ready to enter a productive existence. Win-win.

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Wow sonyactivision, you gave me exactly the sort of thing I wanted to hear: ". . . but there should at least be a discussion about the role public housing plays, both constructively and destructively, in the lives of its recipients."




and more importantly:




"A lot of intensive work and focus on building functional behavior is what's needed and that requires things in short supply in America: patience, money, and devoted people. Promoting such an approach would be a real 'stimulus'".




In 1980, a group of frustrated citizens started a Community Development Corporation (CDC) called the Mid-Bronx Desperadoes in the 100% burnt out South Bronx in NYC. This CDC not only was responsible for courting public funds and raising private funds to churn out 1,200+ new residential units per year, but also aggressively demanded police involvement (which happened), and regularly sent pairs of members out to patrol parks, check up on vacant property, water plants, guard playgrounds, etc. Before long, they were involved with the community on ever level.




It sounds to me like sonyactivision's "patience, money, and devoted people."




Interestingly enough, poverty levels are similar to what they were in the late 1980's, although, significantly, employment rates are far higher. They weren't looking to recoup the 400,000+ people that had left between 1960 and 1980, just to improve the neighborhood and offer a pleasant, clean place to live with a base amount of safety and public education available. They created a low-income neighborhood with a middle-income feel. Food for thought for Buffalo's East Side? Yes/no?

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It's a tough comparison given the overall rise of real estate values in all of NYC and the enormous push to gentrify that has pitted longstanding natives against the "hipsters" and the transplants that have the money extortionate landlords are demanding. That's probably why poverty in NYC is still much higher than Mayor Bloomberg and his claque of swells would care to admit. But I firmly believe that the East Side is similar in that those people want what we all want yet many do lack the skills to gain those things. I agree that what the NGOs have done in the Bronx has been a great example for distressed neighborhoods elsewhere. Imagine a group that mentors adults in tough neighborhoods and helps them to learn to navigate the world outside their confining situations. That, combined with targeted micro-lending and the public programs could break through the logjams and get these people off the ground.

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EXACTLY!!

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