City January 7, 2009 4:11 PM

D&K On Grant Street = Huge Potential

D&K On Grant Street = Huge Potential
The more time I spend on Grant Street, the more I see the squandered potential of the district. Recently I posted on a couple of key buildings (click and scroll down the page) on the street that would be huge assets if renovated. Shortly after posting, I spoke to Grant-Ferry Association President, Bob Franke (pronounced fronkee), who told me that he was in possession of a case study rendering of the D&K building featured in my post.

The rendering, produced by Architectural Resources, had been created for an Urban Design Literacy Project called 'Why Elmwood Works' - the building, built in 1890, was featured as an example of how a building of this stature can rebound and become an anchor for a community. The usable bones of the building are healthy - it takes a developer with vision who can see the potential of an old-world neighborhood like Grant Street. This structure is very impressive to say the least. Can you imagine if a buyer moved forward using the aesthetic guidelines shown in the rendering? Bob also gave me the lowdown on the sale specs... From Bob:

"The square footage is approximately 20,000 square feet (including dry basement), the condition is alright... there are a lot of newer mechanicals, though the roof needs work and there is noticeable spalling of the brick in back. The entire structure is actually in pretty good shape. All three floors are wide open - it's readily adaptable to any interior configuration. The windows on the second and third floor are blocked by a fake facade, but the windows are intact for the most part. It has an amazing basement that would also be an asset for a future owner."

The current price of the D&K Building is $125,000. It's being listed by John Mikoley at Pyramid Brokerage. This corner is not far from where Prish Moran has recently invested at the corner of Grant and Lafayette (see post) - also close to Guercio's Market and the Academy School Conversion.

This is part of a Grant Street series - next week I'll be taking a tour of the interior of the building, as well as featuring some of its structural neighbors.

D&K - 68 Grant Street 
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this would be a wonderful boost for the neighborhood. the close proximity to prish should give added incentive to any potential investor.you forgot to mention the fact that right around the corner there are also many active retail stores like, russ's bakery, dibble true value hardware, nail salon, salvation army store, and the west side plaza that supports a laundromat, family dollar, grossman's bargain outlet, athletes foot shoe store, and mark & dales apparel. the entire area is still considered to be the GRANT FERRY MARKETPLACE.the sale and renovation of the building you write about can do nothing but improve the entire area. i have also heard that it can cost up to 700,000 bucks to renovate this space. i wish this old building all the best, and thank you for seeing the potential this area has. can't wait to hear about the inside in your next segment!!!

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this would be great if it can become real. i have been critical of the current and past administrations neglect of once great neighborhoods, but this is an example of a number of neighborhoods with a ton of potential. the buildings and houses all along grant street are pretty much intact and in good shape structurally. it is also great that some businesses have remained there for decades, frontier liquor, guercio's, royal printing, even otb and m&t/hsbc. i have always believed that neighborhoods are built from the center out so if areas like grant/ferry, broadway/fillmore, bailey/gensee, tonawanda/ontario etc...can be successfully commercialized again, it may allow a good neighbohood to flourish and be sustained much the way elmwood and hertel sustain their neighborhoods. it would be great if the current administration can include something like this into their long term vision.

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Newell,
I totally agree with you. I've driven down Grant St. so many times (my roommate does banking at the HSBC branch there) and there is so much potential with numerous street front buildings waiting to be redeveloped.

Doing a huge Re-use project such as turning the former Dulski Federal building into the Mixed-use 'Avant' has shown this city that anything is possible with the right plan and financing.

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It would be great if the Grant-Ferry Association could become a "Community Development Corporation". This way they could access funding, and do their own development. This might be what it takes to get things started.

Does G-F do any work with the local LISC office?

Good luck.

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I walked most of Grant St. recently and I really have to objectively say, this street is largely a disaster....keep in mind I shop there several times a week and I genuinely love the West Side.

No doubt that Guercio's is thriving. However, Italian Village has recently closed (merged with suburban location they say), Frontier has gradually become a TOTAL ghetto business and Meating Place is in decline. The overwhelming majority of commercial property is boarded-up. When I talk to my barber Nick (a 30-year Grant St merchant), he laments the loss of his long-time customers to the suburbs. If Frontier--or OTB for that matter--is an anchor for this street, I fear for its future.

The volume of trash on the street reminded me of some of the developing countries I have visited. Moreover, the surrounding residential streets continue to seriously decline--owner occupants are dwindling, the number of vacant homes has grown significantly and crime--both petty and violent--are a serious problem. When I pass Grant and Garner, or Congress and Auburn, or Grant and Forest, my thoughts occasionally turn to the murders that have occurred in these places--there's maybe a dozen more I can list.

I have lived west of Richmond for over twenty years and I have witnessed its steady decline. When I was college-aged, TONS of college kids lived on and around Grant Street. Even streets like Dart had some student residents. That's really no longer the case.

I believe this was traditionally by and large a working class neighborhood. As the economy of WNY has decline, I have seen this neighborhood changing into an underclass neighborhood.

I wish Prish (and the Somalis who have started a couple of businesses) good luck. Maybe Sweetness 7 will work. Maybe Grant St. can be elevated one block at a time, but I think economic and social realities will keep this Grant Street (and Ferry, Forest, etc.) in decline.

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tough neighborhood, not safe at all...very risky but needs help

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The decline of this neighborhood even in the last 10 years has been staggering. Any positive developments (like this idea) would be a nice starting point to bringing that area back.

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lots of potential on Grant, but you need a growing city, not shrinking to make these projects work. I hope the best, but Buffalo can only do so much with what it has untill new business, jobs and populace moves up there. For a city of 270k it is doing ok with EV and hertal, but for other area's to take off, more people!

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Grant st has such enormous potential. If we can get an influx of buff state students there it would really get things moving. I really think it will be a cool neighborhood in a few years provided some developers and city residents take a few risks.

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Ironically, if QE's other favorite project Rock Harbor is built, it will draw some students away from living in the Grant St area.

But I doubt more students living nearby would help much anyway. Stabilizing and turning around the neighborhood surrounding Grant after the decline it's had would need a lot more density of adults with decent incomes.

Martin is right about the impact of shrinkage, and it's not just the population total but also the city's employed population. Growth of either seems nowhere in sight.

Another irony is that many who write and comment on this blog want mostly to see more and more people reside downtown where historically there never was much residential even when the city's population was much higher. Creating residential downtown has some ripple effect drawing people from existing residential neighborhoods, as does Art Space, as would Rock Harbor, and so on. It all adds up.

Falling demand, increasing supply.

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I've always said if you are going to go big: go Grant Street. But remember to carry plently of single containers take out style in brown paper bags.

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this area has more crime than University Heights...and thats saying alot...

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Yes the Grant St area is a great example of what the soft-on-crime approach helps cause. And I'm not talking about cops. Who I'm talking about are lenient prosecutors, judges, and anyone who says people committing street crime near Grant St shouldn't be given long prison terms because that might cause too high a percent of people to be locked up.

Even though a street like Grant has a lot of poverty doesn't mean it should have to be as high crime an area as it is.

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The D&K doesn't have to become a glitzy cafe society loft development, it just has to have an occupant that drives traffic into the area and raises the level of interest in redoing other places nearby. A used bookstore, for example, wouldn't require an expensive makeover yet could entice students back into the area and drive other kinds of feeder businesses to create a critical mass. And $125,000 for 20,000sq. ft. of pure potential is a steal.

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sony - how many used books would need to sell every day to justify $125K plus money for new roof, taxes, insurance, utilities, wages, permits, workers comp, etc.?

If it finds a retail use, something like a dollar store is probably most likely - but lack of parking lot would be a problem, and I think there's already a dollar store around the corner with parking.

Maybe a non-profit could buy the D&K for offices or something? Or does the neighborhood need a health clinic or something like that? Difficult to envision a serious retail use, considering so many empty buildings around there that haven't drawn a tenant. And there's already furniture rental, a drug store and not far a Wilson Farms and an empty drug store.

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Hmmm. A used bookstore on the scale of say, the Tattered Cover in Denver can be a huge destination retailer, (I know people who fly to Denver just to shop there) even without parking. Other uses such as those you describe would be fine too. The idea that nobody should try anything on Grant because of the nearby crime assumes that that situation will never change. Good policing and a strong public nuissance ordinance could put the crimminal jerks on the run but apparently, that will await the next mayor...

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I don't see where anyone said "nobody should try anything" because of nearby crime.

But realistically it's limiting for a "destination" business, especially any needing customers after dark. Lack of a parking lot multiplies that problem. Some people won't even park on safer side streets off Elmwood. On side streets off Grant, even fewer will.

There's a vacant whole block next to D&K and an almost fully vacant block across the street. What reasons can there be for all that vacancy - everything on those blocks is built to the street just the way you guys like. That leaves crime, parking, poverty, in no particular order. None of that makes retail impossible obviously, just I'd bet it would have to be a type that can depend mostly on lower income residents nearby - as does almost all Grant St retail except Guercio's. We'll see.

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About crime, I don't think the mayor is mostly to blame so the next mayor in 5 years or whenever we get a new one won't help much for that. The BPD arrests many many more than city courts want to lock up. I blame judges and prosecutors more than mayors or cops. As long as people with long arrest records get released so easy I can't say not arresting them even more again and again is the biggest problem.

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While there's plenty of blame to go around on the issue of crime, I do single out the mayor in articular because he has many tools at his disposal to root out the wrongdoers. One of the best tools is, oddly enough, code enforcement. Many crimes are committed and many crimminals reside in substandard housing. Using the powers of eminent domain, the city can seize properties where police calls are common and either demolish them or sell them at auction provided a buyer commits to the necessary repairs. If Buffalo were to enact much stronger public nuissance ordinances, crimminals could basically be forced out of rental housing,and as has happened in other cities, be literally run out of town. By targeting the owners of crime-ridden properties, Buffalo could use its administrative reach to squeeze crime out of problem areas.How many landlords would start screening their tennants better if they saw the city demolish properties that wee allowed to fester with crime? Also, a public nuissance ordinance could be used against individuals by making their very presence within city limits a crime.The message would be clear: clean up your act or you won't be able to live here. On the judicial front, the mayor needs to spotlight turnstile justice and name very publicly those judges that slap crimminals on the wrist. One possible use for money from the proposed traffic cameras is to help pay for better prosecuters. There's a lot Mayor Brown could be doing.

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sony>"Also, a public nuissance ordinance could be used against individuals by making their very presence within city limits a crime."

Really? That's constitutional to ban an individual from city limits? What U.S. city has ever done that legally?

sony>"Using the powers of eminent domain, the city can seize properties where police calls are common and either demolish them or sell them at auction provided a buyer commits to the necessary repairs."

Is it legal for eminent domain to be invoked to punish an owner for frequent police calls and take the property away? I doubt it. What U.S. cities have ever used eminent domain that way? I don't think any. Anyhow, there's nowhere near enough willing buyers of distressed properties already available. As for your idea to use criminal activity of tenants to determine which houses are demolished, I can imagine the outcry from usual anti-demo people saying it's not fair to punish the innocent buildings because of humans.

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sony>"On the judicial front, the mayor needs to spotlight turnstile justice and name very publicly those judges that slap crimminals on the wrist."

Separation of powers probably prevents a mayor from publicly critiquing particular judges or cases. What a mayor could do is at least publicly ask for more jail cells and funding for guards. Both the Erie Co Jail in Alden and the Holding Center downtown are overcrowded to the point of lawsuits and state agency complaints. A big reason for short sentences and early releases is to make room for the newly convicted. That isn't the fault of the BPD or any mayor.

The county and state should make more jail cells available to keep violent criminals locked up longer, but neither are doing so. The state is doing the opposite and closing down jail cells to save money. I'd like to see Erie Co spend to expand the county jail in Alden to help make Grant St and other Buffalo streets safer, but that won't happen.

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There are a vast number of cities and towns that have successfully enacted public nuissance ordinances that target crimminals and negligent property owners. You can access their stories at NuissanceLaw.com. In its battle against gangs, Los Angeles has enacted tough nuissance laws that do target individuals through "stay away orders" that make their presence in a particular neighborhood ( and even the city itself) a violation of a crimminal's probation. Other cities have dramatically reduced crime by seizing nuissance properties and either demolishing them or placing liens that result in foreclosure on them. Albuquerque would be an excellent example of that. If jail overcrowding is a problem, then Sherff Arpaio in Phoenix has a solution for that as well.

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"Stay away orders" of gang member probation in L.A. are for neighborhoods, not whole cities. Maybe L.A.'s geography makes that effective for their gang problem. But in Buffalo to ban a criminal from the west or east sides for their probation years doesn't sound effective. It's so easy to get around here. They could just go to Black Rock, or Univ Heights, wherever. Is it legal to ban someone from a whole city? I'd be very surprised if NY state appellate court would allow that, and I'm still not sure that's done for any U.S. city. More jail is what's needed.

Check this out: a guy with felony convictions including reckless endangerment, weapons possession, endangering the welfare of a child and trespassing was locked up in 2005 for only 3 years for all that. Sentenced to only 6 yrs, released after serving about half that time, then arrested this week in a stolen car. How is it this (or any) mayor's fault, or the BPD's fault, that this guy was held only 3 years then set free? Similar reports happen all the time.

http://www.buffalonews.com/437/story/548627.html

"Buffalo police arrested a 25-year-old parolee Monday night, charging him with possessing a stolen car, cocaine and crack cocaine. ... K___ S___ of Stockbrige Avenue ...who was convicted of three felonies in 2004 and paroled in August, had two large bags of crack cocaine in his jacket pockets... A smaller bag of cocaine was found behind the driver’s seat, and S____ also had nearly $2,000 in cash in his possession, the report said. ...

S____ began serving a prison sentence of up to six years in 2005 after being convicted on charges of reckless endangerment, attempted criminal sale of a controlled substance and attempted criminal possession of a weapon.... He also has convictions for endangering the welfare of a child and trespassing ..."

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As to banning an individual from an entire city, if the public nuissance ordinance is well crafted, I think it's doable but would likely be a rare event; first, any barring would have to be a condition of an offender's parole or probation, as it is in L.A., a judge could not impose that sanction on just anyone; secondly, you would have to be able to show that the person would represent a threat and a nuissance to the community wherever that person chooses to live. It's much easier to show ( especially in the case of a gangbanger) that the person in question would certainly cause havoc in a neighborhood. But your assertion that Buffalo is smaller than L.A., thus much easier to move within it to cause harm is exactly what could compel a judge to bar a person in Buffalo from residing anywhere in the city. Buffalo is only 40 sq. miles. The point of this is to find ways to use code enforcement and a public nuissance ordinance to allow a greater administrative role in ridding the streets of crime. It gives cops a powerful ally in fighting gang crime and puts owners of problem properties on notice that the community will no longer tolerate their lax screening or looking the other way when it comes to housing those engaged in crimminal activity.

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sony>"If jail overcrowding is a problem, then Sherff Arpaio in Phoenix has a solution for that as well."

Totally agree, but NYS is politically a polar opposite from a state like Arizona in attitude toward crime. It's crazy to blame a mayor here (a mayor, not a dictator) for not using harsh tactics like that sheriff does - setting up temporary jail cells and such. Judges here would stop him immediately, unfortunately.

That Arizona sheriff's approach toward crime is exactly what I'm saying could work, and it's not even remotely feasible in soft on crime NY state. That was true long before the current mayor, and will be true long after he's gone. Crime tolerance obviously has majorities among NY state legislators.

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Funny, NYS isn't "soft on crime" when it comes to the draconian Rockefeller Laws that have clogged the dockets with stupid, petty drug cases for years. But when it comes to the nastier crimes, you're right. A Three Strikes law for violent offenders that gives judges no option but life imprisonment would be a useful tool. And while it's true that Sheriff Arpaio's tent city works better in the warm weather of Phoenix,a heated version that serves Erie Co. can be constructed without having to spend for a hifalutin' palace. It's worth the public discussion either way, if only to let crimminals know we're thinking of them.

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Of course these buildings could be redeveloped tomorrow if Buffalo State moved some of the non-academic facilities into the building.

Take a lesson from Rochester....The D&K Building would make an incredible 2 Barnes&Noble or Borders Campus Bookstore.

of course dont let me lecture....feel free to say what non-academic uses Buffalo State could relocate to Grant Street.

Remember, every non-academic building that gets moved to Grant Street means more room on the core campus for classrooms and labs...while stabilizing the neigborhoods surrounding the Buffalo State Campus.

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This is a great article, which shows a fresh perspective on what can be done if/when an urban developer have an interest in a city, not just someone with a mindset of a contractor, steps up and actually develops something. The other article about Tony Goldman in Miami shows what has been done when someone loves a neighborhood and the architecture. Add the interesting idea of BSC relocating non academic space on their campus-hence freeing up space! 10-20,000 students are allegedly waiting for being accepted into the college, so what are we waiting for??

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Yeah "allegedly waiting" is right. If Buff State enrolled an 10,000 more students form their applicant list, they might as well change its name to the "Four-year ECC Westside Campus".

Anyhow the D&K building has no parking lot and is over a mile away from the Buff State campus, with some dangerous blocks in between on Grant. Buff State can't be expected to save this building.

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while I think the design and reuse ideas are great, we also have to realize this area (at the moment at least) is simply not economically vibrant enough to sustain this. I know sometimes you need the "if you build it they will come" mentality, but I spend some time each week going from gurecio's to Rotundo's, and I completely agree with Beaster, Grant is a MESS. It would be better to fill in the gaps on Elmwood (sweet tooth, whatever asian restaurant failed last, etc.) or do something with the expanding Ellicott Street, etc.

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Obviously you know very little about retail...do you have any idea how much bookstores add to their profit margins by having an instore CAFE with food and drink and WIFI? ALOT!

Anyway...relocating the campus bookstore off campus to GRANT was only one example.

There are others!

As far as adding 10,000 students reducing quality, well that is idiotic. Why? Buffalo State is refusing many of those students because it refuses to add DORM and Classroom space. Second, most colleges accept sub-acceptable students but force them to take remedial courses before starting the academic program. Infact they make ALOT of money that way! Furthermore, there are even alot of colleges where one can take high school courses and get their GEDs.

So as long as a colleges accepts people and lables their academic standing correctly then they are NOT lowering academic standards.

Last point....Buffalo States tuition makes it a bargain even if students are accepted on contingency or probation.

Students are NOT being accepted at Buffalo State because of the incompetence of the incompetence of their minority/gender appointed/tenured president.

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QCity>"Obviously you know very little about retail...do you have any idea how much bookstores add to their profit margins by having an instore CAFE with food and drink and WIFI? ALOT!"

Sure, a cafe with $4 cappuccino and $2 cookies can generate good profit margin as a percent per sale. But for those offerings, there wouldn't be much customer flow at the D&K location so at the end of the day there wouldn't be much cash in the register compared to costs.

Considering location, building price, roof repair need, no parking lot, nearby low incomes, growing residential vacancies, and crime... well, if anyone thinks used books and $4 coffee drinks is a smart business plan for that building they should give it a try. Not to mention that another cafe recently opened a few blocks away.

Maybe somebody will think of a retail use there, but a used book store with or without beverage sales sounds unrealistic.

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Yeah, you often say Buff State should add 10,000 students. I'm not convinced. Buff State gets a lot more applicants than they enroll, but students apply to multiple schools. Many who are eventually accepted at more competitive schools also apply to Buff State as a backup. So for Buff State to go far enough down the list to actually enroll 10,000 more students, and then to offer high school GED type courses as you suggest... what's the point? Students needing that should go to a community college then if successful transfer to a 4-year school. Maybe Buff State should grow gradually, but does SUNY even want that to happen?

Regardless, this building is more than a mile away through an unsafe neighborhood along Grant St from Buff State. It wouldn't be a likely candidate even if Buff State wanted some off-campus building that size for something. Where would people park? On Grant? Uh yeah, sure.

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