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We've talked about the dying print business before. While some papers have simply stopped printing, others are considering printing less than 7 days a week and others are running front-page ads for the first time ever. Heck, even Buffalo Rising is no... Read More
Since we decided to stop printing our monthly magazine, we thought it made sense to communicate that change to readers. So we wrote about it here. We also wanted to communicate this change to former print readers so we designed table tents ... Read More
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Leave a commentTo the hardest-working editor in the business:
Thank you for issue after issue of great stuff about Buffalo. I was delighted to have had the opportunity to contribute in print on a couple of recent occasions.
I'm sure this change means even more good things ahead in the online world of celebrating what's great about Buffalo - and sometimes calling for needed change.
Rock On!
It is a little sad, and while I almost exclusively use the website over the magazine. I was first introduced to BR via the magazine.
Maybe kids are different but sitting at spot I would pick up just about anything I could find to read and discuss with friends. I almost feel that this might limit your exposure to the new younger crowd.
Maybe not who knows. I guess you can just be their friend on facebook.
I'm with Paul. Some kind of comment rating system like the old site would be good. And BRO really should come up with some kind of Terms of Service and stick to it. Keeping crazies like chris69 from derailing things isn't a free speech issue -- it's a matter of keeping this site a place that people will actually want to come.
Careful with the term "crazies"... mental illness is a disability and is a protected class. :-)
The Avoid User button was much more useful than comment ratings. Using that, readers can individually decide for themselves who they don't want to read and not need to beg and plead with Big BROther to endlessly babysit the comments.
Great News that BRO is going green! And, thanks to Paul for pushing civility.
Congratulations on the success of this websites which is a total favorite of mine! The magazine was good and if it were a part of a larger organization that could sell tons of ads and give it a high gloss, it would probably be the best foot forward Buffalo could wish for. But I'm betting that the website can do all of that and more and so I'm looking forward to all the great stuff you guys will be doing! BRO rocks!
BRO does have Terms & Conditions. The link is at the very bottom of the page, in faint gray text. Or click here to view it - http://www.buffalorising.com/about/terms.html
The all electronic-format is fine and makes sense for BRO's purposes, but let's remember that the state of blog writing, with some exceptions, tends to be much cruder in logic, research, and argumentative reflection than print media. BRO is a wonderful information site, but the articles have generally not been well written or mind broadening. And the posts and exchanges? Usually just shrill point scoring, not reasoned debate or reflection (with some exceptions--PaulBuffalo and whynot above, for example).
I guess that's the nature of this medium, but if that's the case, we should strive to make sure that the best print media survive. Deep, unhurried reading and reflection are the foundation of critical wisdom, and in the celebrity-soaked culture and politics of this country, we need to find a much more satisfying idiom than "cool."
Whynot, I haven't thought you're advocating discrimination. No, the care with which you've expressed your thoughts makes that clear to me.
I strongly agree that education is an answer, so it looks like we have more in common than not on this issue. I don't understand where Weiner gets his views. While I agree that it would be enlightening for us to grasp the cause of his unfortunate conditioning, this website is a poor and unfair forum to do so because it's not the psychiatrist's couch, the corner bar, or even Main at Court Street.
You and I seem to disagree on the point of whether it's okay to yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre. I don't think Weiner has the repeated right to do so here. There are many other outlets for him to express his views freely and at length without infringing on his personal liberties, our sensibilities, and derailing BRO topics. Those outlets are probably the best forums to actually achieve some of the understanding you desire.
It is a matter of free speech! Why are people being censored? If you get derailed by comments made by said "Crazies" your playing right into their hands. It's what that person wants, ATTENTION! They want to make waves, it doesn't take much common sense to realize that. There are people that post comments here and act as if they are part of some Urban Hierarchy. If your offend by a comment some idiot made in a "Comment Section" on Buffalo Rising's web site your entirely too sensitive. I'm sorry but Buffalonians are supposed to have a thick skin.
This is a wonderful idea! Just one thought though - I love the photos that are showcased in the print version. Is there a way this can be done online? We're so lucky to have a beautiful city and talented photographers, and BR is always a great place to see through others' eyes.
Since BRO has access to so many talented photographers, especially their own, a photo gallery could be a teriffic addition to the site as well as a BRO photostream at Flickr.I bet a huge number of people would log on just to check out the latest knockouts!
The right to free speech has to do with the relationship between the people and the government, not a website and its readers. It isn't a violation of anyone's free speech rights for the owners of a website to set limits on how they want their property to be used.
Just sayin'.
Is this not a public forum? Most web sites have terms and conditions because of advertising dollars.
No, this isn't a public forum. It isn't a street corner, or a public park. It's a privately-owned website, and its owners have a perfect right to restrict what is said here.
There are all sorts of actual violations of free speech out there. Moderating the comments on a website isn't one of them.
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BRO, good move.
How about instituting something similar to Yelp's compliment feature so that users can react to comments posted by readers?
Will BRO finally have a posted policy on the website regarding how it will address hateful comments posted by a few, including the infamous Chris69/Buffaloweiner/Buffalo21stcentury/Queencity? You folks have remained quite silent on this important aspect of the website.
I do not agree with everything that Chris69/L or any of his other aliases posts, but he does have some valid points and makes the comments more interesting at times. It is unfortunate that so many people would like to live in a sterile environment where things that they find objectionable are censored or deleted by those who feel that they hold the majority opinion or are the gatekeepers of morality and righteousness.
I do not agree with censorship of opinions just because I do not agree with them, especially when they barely touch on the topic. I have yet to see Chris69 use truly offensive remarks or make comments that could be truly construed as hateful. I think that too many people are just overly sensitive. Too many people wish that prejudice will go away through censorship, but fail to see their own prejudice in the matter.
I found the site to be a lot more enjoyable when we had a variety of opinions and comments on most of the posts.
Whynot, a variety of opinions is important, but if that variety includes discriminatory language it says little about the quality of the discourse. Buffaloweiner has exhibited a long pattern of anti-semitism and many of his vile comments were quickly deleted under the old BRO format, as were the comments of a few others.
Yelp has a Terms of Service clause with one point stating that the user agrees not to 'use the Site to promote bigotry or discrimination against protected classes'. Yelp users who have displayed a pattern of negative behavior have been banned from that website. Weiner is not simply an Eric Cartman cartoon character. Tolerating a subtle, but no less clear, employment of racist, homophobic and anti-semitic language should not be the burden of the user in a public forum.
Paul - I understand where you are coming from, the concern here is that we continue to move the line of what is considered inflammatory , bigoted, or salacious comments to the point that people are unable to express their viewpoints on potentially sensitive issues. We are already past the point of discussing religion, race, gender, sexual orientation, ethnicity, disabilities, and many other topics in an open or honest manner, unless you are part of one of the protected classes, then it is ok to discuss as needed.
I am really interested to see how most pundits, comedians, and commentators skate around Barack Obama's race or Hillary Clinton's gender. It is completely acceptable to make his race an issue if you are African American, but unacceptable if you are of another ethnicity or color. I listen to the Russ Joyner morning show on WBLK every morning and they continuously mention the importance of this election to black americans in some of the most unflattering or seemingly biased ways. Do you think that the same critique of Obama and the impact of his Presidency would be as accepted if it was coming from Howard Stern or Opie and Anthony? How about a comment about his race and the new acceptance of African Americans made by John Stewart? Could he make that comment without it being taken out of context and being branded a racist?
The point here is that we need to be careful in this overly sensitive and ultra-PC society. At some point we will lose the choice to talk openly about many topics, as more and more special interest groups try their best to become the next protected class. If you would like an example, then take a look at the current legislation that would like to provide legal protection to undocumented aliens to ensure that their civil and human rights are preserved by solidifying their status as class that requires protection against persecution.
For those who are unfamiliar, a protected class is a group of people with similar characteristics that have legal rights superior to those not in a protected class, and upon whom actions deemed to be offensive to the class are criminalized in a special way with greater penalty than when such acts are inflicted on non class victims.
Now don't get me wrong, I believe in the protection of civil rights and the extension of certain laws to ensure that rights are preserved for groups that are historically discriminated against. I believe that protections are required for most protected classes, especially homosexual and GLBT persons, persons of color, and various nations of origins, disabilities, etc. That said, I also believe that we should preserve our rights to free speech, free press, and intelligent discourse that could educate the less informed or more ignorant among us.
I am not into the overly or overtly Orwellian ideals that only certain discussions or topics are acceptable and the rest should be controlled. That is just my opinion, and I could be wrong.
Whynot, I appreciate the breadth and detail of your comments -- and the time it took you to make your points. I accept that there are pockets of exaggerated sensitivity to political correctness and I also accept that comedians, such as Stern, thrive on taboo issues in their work.
Weiner's comments -- and I don't mean to single him out, but he has been the classic example by means of consistency on BRO -- are not the work of a performer taking pleasure in pushing the envelope to achieve a payoff. No, he has demonstrated strong belief in these warped views and purposely threads many of his sentences with clear discriminatory remarks meant to lay blame based on religion, color and lifestyle. To tolerate this is to open the door further for more vitriolic statements and BRO's continuing silence is puzzling.
This is my opinion, too, and, perhaps, others will disagree; but, it remains an important issue for me. Again, I appreciate the thoughts of your comments. Thank you.
Paul - I am not advocating for hatefulness, prejudice, or salacious speech; however I am saying that it is not my place to push my perspective and values on others for the simple fact that their comments or beliefs do not align with mine.
Education and enlightenment is the answer to ignorance, not oppression and censorship. I know that we do not want to hear or read comments that we find objectionable, but they exist and to they are valid to the person who is sharing them with us. I spent most of my life hearing negative comments about my sexuality, and they hurt; however I have become a better person at deflecting and challenging these comments as a result of hearing them. I have been able to openly discuss other people's beliefs in my sexuality and how / why they were formed, and that is powerful.
Do we understand where Buffaloweiner is coming from? Do we understand what is driving his ignorance or hatred? I don't, but I would love to find out so we can address that and hopefully bring a sense of balance to his one sided diatribes.
Political correctness doesn't exist in small pockets, it is a common part of our daily lives, from television programming to educational curricula to just about every form of mass media that exists today. I am not saying that this is a bad thing, because it is not, but it was born from the same system that we hope to repress today. I hope that we do not leave the expression of a contrarian opinion only to the performance artists who have the license to push the envelope, because most Americans just won't get it. Staving off ignorance should be as much an every day part of life as political correctness, but I do not believe that it should be done at the expense of free speech.